pickabeau1:

Assumptions..I never mentioned Rome..


What determines if a culture is great then

if white people say it is but to be real a culture is "great" IMO because it is part of how you are as a person.
what makes this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG24IhA6NRk

any better then this? because they are white?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxhhF_nHxIs

here is a nice blog post. this was aimed at black Americans but it helps here to

There is this idea among many Afrocentric thinkers that the ancient Greeks "stole" the knowledge and wisdom of the ancient Egyptians and failed to pay homage to the original Master Teachers of Kemet. While it is true that the Greeks were heavily influenced by the philosophy of the ancient Egyptians, to claim that they "stole" this love of wisdom is ludicrous. One cannot steal that which one was taught.

We must remember that the Greeks are the mothers and fathers of western philosophy. Though they learned at the feet of the ancient Egyptian sages, the holistic philosophy of the Egyptians was interpreted through a Greek lens and subsequently became the foundation for modern western thought. The Egyptians (like the ancient Hindu and Taoist philosophical traditions) made no distinction between the so-called branches of philosophy -- to them, metaphysics, epistemology, logic, ethics, aesthetics, etc. were not separate from each other. All came together to form one comprehensive philosophy. The Greeks, on the other hand, can be credited with gravitating toward a different way of thinking, one that sought to break the whole down into separate parts so as to better understand the functions behind the whole.

Both modes of thought have their respective benefits and drawbacks. Indeed, both modes of thought reflect the dualistic nature of reality. On the one hand we have holism, and on the other hand we have reductionism. The former holds that reality is made up of unified wholes that are greater than the simple sum of their parts, while the latter holds that reality can be completely understood in terms of its simpler parts or components.

The fight over ancient Egypt is ultimately a waste of time, because we will never be able to say with 100% certainty what "race" the ancient Egyptians belonged to or anything else of the sort. Such trivial matters do not contribute to gaining a better understanding of the wisdom the Egyptian sages possessed. That being said, there has been a definite attempt by Eurocentric powers to eradicate the idea that Egypt was truly an African civilization. The cover-up should not be attributed to the Greeks, for the Greeks paid homage to their Teachers and their civilization pre-dated the rise of European racism. The cover-up should be attributed to the racist European historians, pseudoscientists, philosophers, and academics of later centuries. While we may never know the "race" of the ancient Egyptians, two things are certain: one, the original people of ancient Egypt (not the current-day "Arab" population) were an indigenous African people, and two, the wisdom of ancient Egypt was inherently African in its conception. One need only study other African philosophical traditions to see the striking similarities between them and the philosophy of the ancient Egyptians.

Now, while it is true that Egypt may have been the greatest African civilization in terms of its sheer power and influence, there were many African civilizations of similar awesomeness. As slaves, black people were made to believe that nothing of value came from Africa (other than Egypt, but they did not associate Egypt with Africa). Today, many black thinkers still possess this mentality, which is why they constantly talk about ancient Egypt forget about west Africa. The fact remains that ancient Egypt is not our immediate ancestral homeland on the African continent. Our immediate homeland on the African continent is the vast stretch of land from Senegambia down to Angola. Contained within this land were many tribes with different customs and traditions, all of which deserve to be studied by Afrocentrists as closely as Egypt is.

Why do we not hold the empires of Ghana, Mali, and Songhai in the same light as Egypt? Do we really believe these empires were not as important? At a time when Europe was wallowing in a dark age, Timbuktu was a center of learning in West Africa. Or how about the Yoruba, whose complex religious and philosophical traditions were carried across the Atlantic and are still practiced today in the Americas? We have a tendency to view anything African that is not Egyptian as somehow less awesome and powerful, and this kind of thinking is a remnant of the slave mentality that was implanted in us so long ago. Even among many Afrocentric thinkers today, Egypt is the only thing of worth to have come out of Africa.

As Afrocentric thinkers in the 21st century, [b]our job is not to cling to old romanticized notions about the origin of black people in the Americas, nor is it to react irrationally to the lies we have been told. Our job is to present our history in a truthful manner, as opposed to the untruthful manner in which our history has been presented to us. And the truth is, black American people come from west and central African peoples. We are the descendants of the kings and queens of the Mali Empire and of the humble Bantu tribes. Egypt was the center of greatness in Africa in all capacities, but we are not Egyptians, and there were many notable and equally great (in their own right) civilizations in our more recent African homelands. Instead of always focusing on Egypt, we should focus on the complex philosophy of tribes like the Yoruba. We should study the empires of Ghana, Mali, and Songhai, all of which thrived during a time when Europe was living in a dark age and Egypt had already fallen to waves of foreign invaders. We should attempt to uncover the knowledge and wisdom of those venerable sages who were our ancestors in West Africa. The philosophy is there, but we have yet to uncover it because of this obsession with Egypt.
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It is time to shift the focus from Kemet and uncover the rich philosophical and cultural history of other parts of Africa. It is time to stop blaming ancient Greek philosophers for "stealing" the wisdom they were given by the Egyptian sages. It is time for us to emerge into a new field of Africana studies, one that recognizes the impact of the robbery of black and brown people of their knowledge of self but that is able to regain that knowledge.

here is the link: http://www.thinkaboutit-knowaboutit.com/2014/07/greece-philosophy-and-afrocentric.html

pickabeau1:

You see..the argument is going from one side to the other..few points

Is it the people who are emotional you have an issue with or the fact that as a collective unit,our culture has nor transpired to greatness


What's the point of this thread..is it a rant or a call to renaissance

and thats a big problem every culture is "great" in their own right just because you see no "Rome" in Africa does not mean they are lesser

Sagamite:

You are a cretinous person!

What if Eba was Caviar?

Moronic "What If"?

You can identify fucktards from their analogies.

https://www.nairaland.com/1094114/what-occupies-minds-atheists-24/4#12884413

whatever nigga

Sagamite:

You are a cretinous person!

How does my country compared to Israel?

it does it, it is called a WHAT IF?

Sagamite:

You are a person!

I asked you a question: Who's Country?

what country you from? do you have one?
"What If Terrorists Could Shoot This Rocket at Your Country?" translation What If Terrorists Could Shoot This Rocket at Nigeria (lagos)?

Sagamite:

I asked you a question.

Who's country?

Gaza shooting Israel

Sagamite:

Who's country?

Nigeria you already got a boko haram problem. if a nation was shooting at you would you just lay down and take it

What If Terrorists Could Shoot This Rocket at Your Country?
"Iran tried to send powerful M-302 rockets to Gaza terrorists. Last week, IDF naval forces intercepted the weapons approximately 1,500 kilometers from Israel’s shores. Had Iran’s shipment arrived at its intended destination, Gaza terrorists would now be able to fire rockets almost anywhere in Israel."


"To put Iran’s threat in perspective, we created a series of illustrated maps that show the “Gaza Strip” next to other countries throughout the world. The maps demonstrate the reach of the M-302 rocket inside each of these countries. Imagine if Gaza terrorists were your neighbors and could shoot this rocket at your home."

United States


United Kingdom


South Africa


http://israelaa.ca/what-if-terrorists-could-shoot-this-rocket-at-your-country/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s

NairaMinted: Gaza

stop showing gore p0rn

CAMNEWTON4PRES:

Hey listen white supremacist, if wiki is your proof that those primitives and barbarians called vikings reached North America before colombus then I you are a joker

1st of voice, there are no tangible proofs of such
2nd of voice I said America not north America in regard of African, its a known fact that the olmec were of African descent and they did reach America before any albino looking humanoid

the Olmecs were a stone age native civilization & Africans are iron age but anyway the viking were not "primitive"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G53no4LqsAw

Ibnsultan: indeed u are a blind follower of the zionist.

i can show show pics of what the "Arab" muslim Sudanese are doing to Nuba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LRVNRSEA08

here is gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf21QqvHauw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXPGUdS2Fpc

CAMNEWTON4PRES:

There are proofs of Africans reaching the new world/America before Columbus
Africans in China nko

Na wa Oooo with una, what do you have to say about that. They used planes abi?.

no there's not. plus the viking got to north America before Columbus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_the_Americas

here is a cool video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4earrCLoUcM

nice article

koyyes: Those countries are not as diverse as Nigeria.

"There are around 300 distinct native ethnic groups in Indonesia, and 742 different languages and dialects"
[img]http://austroindo.files./2014/02/1191px-indonesia_ethnic_groups_map_english-svg.png[/img]

pickabeau1:

OK...seems the issue was the mind set
People looking down on their culture..?


Then you should look beyond the symptoms and deal with the issue

Its a power game
The conquering culture sets the pace

Globalisation, common language, IMF..

The Chinese had to bring their own money to the table to be heard...
Without that they were seen as primitive

Until you understand this...

which is bad if you're a poor nation or like to keep your culture alive

koyyes: Good point, but don't forget that the country you are using as an example has a unified religion-ISLAM which has its own culture and Tradition. Correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that the lingua franca there is strictly ARABIC. That basically makes it easier for them to have one VOICE just like the AMERICANS who speak only ENGLISH. But do we have just one religion- NO. Do we have one language- NO. Do we have one voice- NO. So if I say we are united, I would be lying to myself when I can clearly see religious and tribal wars around me and how 1,2 or 3 major tribes are claiming superiority over the rest. THIS IS JUST ONE FACTOR- A HOUSE THAT IS DIVIDED CANNOT STAND AGAINST EXTERNAL INFLUENCES. The consequence of using a foreign language as our unifying lingua franca is what we are facing today. Why? Because we are not united, we do not believe in ourselves and worst of all, we are pretentious and hate each other. Read your history books, you'll understand why.

true but Singapore, Belgium, Switzerland, Indonesia, are multi ethnic and they seem to be doing fine more or less

Fulaman198: Terry in regards to Africa and Africans, where do you stand?

i support Africans but I'm pessimistic about the continent.

Giftedgreen: Breaking News: After Brazil's loss to Germany, Neymar has been moved from intensive care to the psychiatric ward

Thank God for Germany. Very soon ladies will be too ashamed to wear Brazillian Hair

7 Up has announced that it is going to be the official sponsor of the German national team

The world cup final will be played by Argentina and Holland, as Brazil is out and Germany are being sued for despoil

damn nigga

koyyes: I tell you, if you read Pre-Nigeria's history, you'll understand why we have our never ending problems today. Our attitude did not develop over night. It's an in built inheritance.

they did not sell there brother they sold there neighbor, thats like says japan invaded there brother in WW2
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Japanese_Empire_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg[/img]

koyyes: I really don't give a damn about what you think. Have you studied or visited the whole continents in the world to make that baseless conclusion that its only african cultures that are being 'dictated' by external societies. Its very simple, if you want to prove a point, go and farm,don't wear western clothes, don't have anything to do with anything made possible by western influence which includes being a member of nairaland, don't go to hospitals,don't even go to school or speak english anymore, relocate to the remote part of your village and live there till you expire. Look who is talking about being in denial, even the tribe in south africa that walks nude make and prove their points better. DAMN DELUSIONAL HYPOCRITE!

true but most of these places still practices there cultures, religions, customs and languages even in urban areas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4CeVzbHRZI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q3DufVsktc

you made a common Fallacy that westernization should equal modernization which is not true. you can have your hospitals, schools, roads etc without having to adopt "white" culture like most of the gulf nations


so why can't Africans do the same
[img]http://3.bp..com/-7i7AE7bLz9w/Th8paUq87vI/AAAAAAABpts/gQ_RycH7kO4/s1600/DSC_4156.JPG[/img]

welcome to the dark continent

here is a cool video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGbTaWF95dc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4drP0oVdEM

skillet: Its simple. To us, those art pieces have fetish relevance. We will begin to worship them again thereby aligning the art form only to religious worship and worshippers.

most of you guys worship a middle eastern god so it does not matter if these things are religious or not. how many Greeks do a "fetish" worship of Athena or Zeus? or does fetish only apply to Africans

Muslims probably started it