zetdee:

You guys even to this day are still eating each other, how can you say South Africa would be worst than a hell hole like Nigeria where you still find backward practices like cannibalism and slavery on mass taking place to this day, when they never took place here. Tropical Africans were always less organized and discipline than South Africans, thats why they were easily enslaved. There only part of Afrika where there was resistance to European dominance was in South Africa, how many battles were ever fought between the colonizers and native tribes elsewhere in Afrika. The Zulus were able to defeat the mighty british army which was the greatest in the world at that time, thats why they're respected the world over, the same cannot be said about tropical Afrika, who are associated with slavery and cannibalism, thats why even today these are the most backward regions of Africa When I say South Africa I include the neighbouring countries, all of them were organized and not push-overs like the countries up North. Most of the social ills in South Afrika are a result from years of apartheid, thats something social scientists agree on, so using the current state of the country to argue about how the country would be like if there wasn't apartheid is silly, even stats will show that alot of the social problems in the country were at their peak at the end of apartheid. If whites had left in the 60s like they did in other parts Africa, South Africa would be ahead of tropical countries even though it wouldn't be developed to the extent it is today, because development happens at a faster rate outside tropical regions for various reasons that i won't go into.

I doubt any of these ever happened in west and central Africa, who were easily conquered and enslaved, and today all failed states.

www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/herero-people-defeat-german-forces

www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/zulu-warriors-defeat-british-army-isandlwana-mountain

www.sahistory.org.za/south-africa-1806-1899/anglo-zulu-wars-1879-1896

www.sahistory.org.za/topic/conquest-eastern-cape-1779-1878

botswana: With xenophobia rising, electrified border fence hailed

Changate, 23 February 2005 (IRIN) - The word "Zimbabwean" gets Motswana traditional leader Jackson Ofentse hot under the collar.

"Please don't ever mention to me the criminals from across the border," he told IRIN. His village of Changate in northern Botswana is only 5 km from the frontier, and he has nothing good to say about his neighbours.

"Our women can no longer gather firewood in the bush for fear of being raped; our houses are not safe any more, and even our livestock find their way across the border," he complained.

Ofentse is looking forward to the day when the Botswana government flicks the switch on a four-metre high electrified border fence that snakes across the scrubland, ostensibly to control the spread of foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) from Zimbabwe.

Two outbreaks of FMD in two years, which hit Botswana's lucrative beef exports to the European Union, were sourced to Zimbabwe. Jobs were lost and thousands of cattle slaughtered.

While the 500-km long fence officially aims to block the mixing of herds on common pasture, Ofentse and many other Batswana hope it will also keep out the thousands of Zimbabweans escaping poverty at home, who sneak cross the border looking for work in more prosperous Botswana.

An estimated 36,000 illegal migrants were deported last year alone and, with xenophobia now firmly on the rise, Zimbabweans have become the target of a growing vigilante movement.

The solar-powered fence, which will deliver a nasty but not fatal 220-volt shock, is due to become operational in June, and will be patrolled 24 hours a day by the security forces. A survey by the Southern African Migration Project found that a majority of Batswana supported its construction.

The villagers of Changate, 140 km northeast of Botswana's second city Francistown, may feel more secure behind the new barrier, but they have lost the perks of proximity to Zimbabwe. Gone are the cheap shopping trips across the border, and easy access to relatives on the Zimbabwean side.

"We had relied on labour from Zimbabwe for a long time. It was also nearer to travel to Plumtree in Zimbabwe to do your shopping than travel to Francistown," explained local journalist Khumbulani Kholi.

Residents in the border villages used to buy cheap Zimbabwean livestock, and enjoyed an easy supply of fruit and vegetables. "When I was growing up, my brothers even went across the border to have a drink in the Nswazi village [in Zimbabwe]," said Kholi.

Now, getting to Zimbabwe entails a two-hour walk to the nearest border post at Maitengwe, and for those who don't have passports, a 140-km journey to the immigration office in Tutume.

"We don't hate Zimbabweans here," said Kholi. "We are only tired of elements that come to steal from us."

all4naija: I said WORST than Zimbabwe. There is no sense of progress in black South African communities. All they do is attacked innocent people robbing them of their hard earned money and other valuables. Indeed, I don't understand how possible for such people can develop without the white man's input.

I opt South African blacks to wake up every morning and say little pray to the white people of that society for bringing them civilization and development.

riyaq: terry what do you think of these afar people?

kunwil:
thinking that legalizing gays will mean people will start turning gay is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard in my life!! Where do you get these "facts" from? Nigeria is a far more promiscuous nation than any in the west. The number of gays is always the same proportion in every society, people that are gay in a country like Nigeria simply live in fear of being stigmatised if found out. @enigma The bill is not yet law and you are saying that unless we pass it our population will stop growing? The law is not yet in existence, but is Nigeria's population not growing now to a point where there is a problem of overcrowding that the state cannot deal with it?...

Your much beloved law also means that any homosexual in any organisation can make that organisation instantly illegal, therefore it would be illegal to for a homosexual to hold down a normal job as his presence would render that business illegal just as it would a nightclub which is also a perfectly legal business criminalized only by the presence of homosexuals in its employ under the law, as they would be seen also to be supporting homosexuals. This means that employers indeed every organisation( whether you are gay or straight) has the right to ask you the most intimate details of your personal life so as to be sure they are not hiring a homosexual as they would now be unemployable criminals. A homosexual cannot even be self-employed as they would still be breaking the law. Strangers can ask about your sexual history before you enter any establishment for fear of their being prosecuted for having gay people in their establishment which would suggest they are supporting gays. So what is your solution, should we kill them all because everybody, gay or straight will have their right to personal life forfeit as a result. For gays, Right to work for a living is forfeit, they cannot work they cannot eat or get medical help, right to life is forfeit, right to dignity of a human being is forfeit,right to freedom of movement is forfeit( as organisations cannot be seen to be helping you by even feeding you or giving you a job, so what do you do with these people, after sending them to jail? What about the many people who will be falsely accused,or do you think the Nigerian police force is the most responsible organisation in the country?

Reuben.Abati:


Dude you are an animal. Those are not homosexuals. They are Jehovah's Witnesses. Read about Jehovah's witnesses and the Purple Triangle.

Stop being ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_triangle

all4naija: South Africa of today is far advanced from what it would have looked like without the white people. Mind you, even with the advancement many black people of that society still act with stark savagery, a disposition that has been displayed with utmost comfort. Can you imagine in this modern time South African blacks still carry spears, bows and arrows to the streets to protest their grievances? That alone speaks volume of what that country would look like without the white.

It is very arguably right to say xenophobia will be the order of the day. Attacks on innocent African immigrants would be carried out in an unimaginable scale that it would equate to genocide. Without going further to dig out facts of history before the people were conquered by white their mode of dressing is purely a primitive one which they are ready to accept as part of their living style in that society. Wearing Leopard skins in a barely covered bodies claiming to be warriors. Who needs warriors in animal skin when modern gadgets would easily take them out as the weakest of all humans?

I have only seen a more chaotic black people who would keep hunting others and enslaving African immigrants if given the chance. A backward society would have be created far worse than any other in Africa. It could have easily passed for the poorest nation of Africa, although, with huge resources without the skills to tap into them for good use. That is South African black mentality for you. They would rather hold sticks and clubs to savagely kill other blacks on the streets than utilized the resources nature has offered to them. It is clear they are unequivocally criminally minded that without such white man's development in that nation it would be by far be the world worst criminal infested place. That spells out what SA would be like without white people.

HIV/AIDS would sweep through the different communities with only 2% remaining to be seen living for posterity(my observation from a speculative point). That is revealing of what the people have become in the present day SA where they have all opportunities given to them to build a better society yet the other way round is often the case.

You can say I am obsessed with SA but the truth remains that it is not far-fetched that a society of the primitive blacks and the land of the criminally inclined youths would be SA without white people. It is worth knowing that they can be very envious as well, and made the situation to look more terribly bad.

Thank you.

enigma_otr:

They're minority for now, but wont be no longer, as soon as they're given the legal backing. Yes, the population of nigeria is expected to surpass that of the US by 2050 and that's why we don't want this gay of a thing to prevent the 'prophecy' from fulfillment. Same-sex marriage defies common sense. If you like, start crying and whining from now till God-knows-when, same sex marriage wont be legalised in nigeria. At least, not this generation. We know they exist, but we don't care what they do in their closet. We just don't want their same-sex-'evangelism' in our country,so keep it downlow.

enigma_otr:
Less than five months of legalizing same sex marriage in California, US, about 18,000 same sex couples have got married. What does that tell you? 36,000 people dead without replacement. What's going to happen if we allow same sex marriage in nigeria and it degenerate to the level that more than half of married couples we have are of same sex? Given the population growth rate, life expectancy, and the continual increase in the percentage of the population that would turn out to be LGBT if same sex is legalised, the population of Nigeria will be lower than 20million by the year2513AD. And there will be no more nigeria by the next millenium if it's unchecked. Forget moral, legal or religious view of this matter, LGBT right in nigeria is a threat to our continuous existence. And you can't separate morality from legality. We're all bound by law because of immorality in the society. If everything is morally right, law is useless.Anything illegal can not be morally right and vice versa, so you can't separate the two.

Dudu_Negro: I had to step away for a minute before I had finished my responses....



The religion of Ifa is from Noah, not from Abraham. So this is what I meant by Yoruba follows Noah.

tpia@:



christianity didnt originate in europe.


it was in africa right from its inception.

so, you are wrong.

Terminator007: The fact that this is coming from wole soyinka does not make it right. It will be totally fallacious for any human to think that way.I think the law of diminishing return has started setting in for the man. If not he ought to know that gay marriage will definitely have a multiplier effect on the society in the long run if not curbed at the earlier stage. This is Africa with its own peculiar culture.The constitution should be a reflection of the culture. NO CULTURE IN NIGERIA SUPPORTS GAY-MARRIAGE. How our families are managed determines what becomes of the society in the future. If each family is properly managed then the society will be a better place for us all. The bill has been passed. There is nothing you can do about it sir. if you talk from now till tomorrow,it doesnt change anything sir. That is the way we want it.

Spiritually, have you come to think of the reason why we have frequent cases of natural disaster in other continents and none in africa? The atrocities committed daily in some countries in the name of freedom is on the high side. This is the reason why God destroyed one generation in the bible and the quran and some people still have reasons to support it. This is unimaginable.

Logically, the ratio of female child to male child is increasingly skewed in favour of female (recently 7:1). It will be a total selfishness for a rightful thinking person to support gay marriage. What happens to the excess number of women in the future. Prostitution? Idleness?. The professor should please look into the future or go back to school to learn that.

biafranqueen: Sorry are you saying that Libraries were burnt by the Romans? Or that the Egyptians were really Romans

biafranqueen: When they refer to African they speak of wooly hair and black skin they are clearly describing Nubians you can keep believing what the slave masters that burned the Alexandria Libraries want you to believe I have pointed to several documented sources you have not given me any sources or proof except that how could they turn light unless all the Europeans came to bleep them. That is not proof. I need intelligent proof not smart a*ss insults. Only ignorant people resort to insults I need historical proof

pazienza:

Can't you recognize sarcasm when you see one?

The core idea of Poe's law is that a parody of something extreme can be mistaken for the real thing, and if a real thing sounds extreme enough, it can be mistaken for a parody