^^
I just sent you a friend request. Go all out.

sonOfLucifer:


The idea of seeing the 'invisible' isn't original to Christianity. I'll try to find a source. The general idea is that sometimes, we miss the obvious because we make a lot of assumptions. Like the harbinger will tell you after I thrash him at Chess.

We shall see

^^^I don taya again for nl o. Might not be so active here.

We might jam on chess.com now I know you're the Indian prince, or I'll email you in a few years or so

sonOfLucifer:

Humanity.

okay.

oyeludef:
so wat happened in d case of ananias and saphira who lied to d holy spirit? Counsel?

Judgement. Same thing that happened to Herod when he came against the church with persecutions

Image123:


Why would the Holy Spirit tell sinners to repent of sin but refuse to tell believers if they sin?

I didn't say this.

We are children of God, not sinners. The Holy Spirit doesn't convict or condemn people who have already been saved from condemnation

johnydon22:


It was at the infancy and ignorant age of humanity that it once thought the universe and everything in it was made for it and revolves around him.

Too bad some people would rather remain in that unparalleled act of willful ignorance in this 21st century...

I am sure he has been give a bitter lesson here

even though primitive humans may be excused as theirs were acts of ignorance that of a 21st century human is nothing less than willful lunacy

lol. Bitter lesson? I don't blame you shaa. We all think highly of what we say.

I don't have the zeal I used to have before.

"my existence is worthwhile simply because of the experiences in life that I find worthwhile"

I would have elucidated how this foolish statement does not even answer my question, but only paints you as someone who has comprehension problems.

I did so to an extent in my hidden post, I don't have time or zeal to repeat myself.

Keep patting yourself on the back and happily receiving pats from your fellows. Feel yourself very well. You're the boss! Lol.

I've had a conversation like this with a smarter more balanced person, one who didn't type long nonsense laced with childish insults.

sonOfLucifer:

Failure. We weren't taught how to fail. Failure is not our portion. It must be enemies, haters, and other such nonsense. Either tread the well-worn path(used to be engineering, law and medicine, now it's music,football and dance) or don't try at all.
It's complex. Ours is a system that swallows those who try to operate on sound principles, we mock them for daring to be different... 'who u be', 'u think say u be jackie chan'.. we want quick fixes.. who e help? We feel no attachment to our environment, no obligation to do things right..
There are so many excuses to find if one's too scared of trying.. how can you succeed without failing. We have no role models, religion sells us the illusion that all will be well if we praise and worship harder. So we praise God out of suffering and fear, rather than love and hope. And we keep running around circles, hoping for angels to save us when we are the demons destroying ourselves.

BUT there is hope. There always is.

Baseline agreement, apart from the religion part, showing that we share some of the same views of a superficial symptom of a problem.

For me, Christianity has taught me that all is well as I continue upon godly principles of success, including righteousness and withdrawal from any form of corruption, rejecting hatred and tribalism and everything vile that causes men in this country to rob and cheat and destroy their fellows.

Remember America was built on same principles.

Christianity, also gives me hope, and teaches me that I become the greatest power for influence and change with heaven backing me up.

Unfortunately popular belief and opinion of religion makes the bolded quite true. Like Reyginus has said, most people don't apply the societal well-being in mind, the common person still cheats and steals if given an opportunity. Its about mindset.

Some who call themselves christians think god is a side arm or good luck charm for blessing their hustle, they don't allow him to influences their basic day to day choices in any way. These are the ones you can convince that religion and Christianity is bad and atheism is liberation, and they will believe, simply because they don't know any better. They've never really had any real relationship with God or their bibles.

I may not be perfect in works, but my decision is to continually stand against tribalism and corruption and destruction, from the little stuff to the big stuff. It will be better, if normal people like me choose to use any avenue by which they operate in life to stand against wrong vices.

I have hope too. But where does your hope come from?

wiegraf:


And are you sure you are Jtf? You weren't totally ret.arded in the other thread, so a bit suspicious.....

Its good to talk to you after years of ignoring each other. I think you're not totally ret.arded too.

I can still make a case for your insanity though, a convincing one.


How does one spot and identify the soul? The same way you identify a sentient awareness and being. You're a thought generator, a being. (just the basicestest example I can communicate right now, please read the rest of my post before telling me alphago thinks too, so you can see what I mean, and the difference between alphago's primitive programming and your independent self-awareness and the self-evidence of your own transcendent consciousness)

Alphago, and others follow algorithms and neural mappings to achieve programmed goals(and overcome pre-programmed problems?)

Its not a pre-programmed algorithm you follow, you are an independent and aware thought-generator. A self, (unless you want to dabble in imaginative fairy tales of your packaging and programming).



Are you asking me specifically why I believe in and live from the supernatural? Because my definition of religion and Christianity and faith is different from popular opinion.


I have experienced the supernatural and continue to live in immaterial power.






But as your school master, I direct you through what I suspect is your line of reasoning. Suppose we're nothing but biological machines, and what people call soul is just an intelligent brain? I mean, look at alphago and the robot my friend is building that teaches itself navigation. They all show the potential of increasing complexity and may become what we call soul, abi?

But wait a little, we build most of these machines, we design them under inspiration from observable biological processes. Ask yourself WHO BUILT US?

Maybe you believe we began spontaneously from some natural elements and have actively evolved to reach our present complex state, ask yourself HOW IGNORANT NATURE COULD PRODUCE SUCH A WORK AS Einstein or Newton while our various smarty pants have not been successful producing something simpler like a miniature wiegraf? or even the smallest form of life?

Maybe nature is alive, and smarter than all of us, a mastermind working behind her processes, or maybe we were seeded by foreign intelligence? But not god of course, such thinking will make us religious nuts.

DrDxtrz:

[b]Prince kash?
[/b]i sent you a friend request, am 'dexterouz'

Good to know our dear muskeeto fancies himself an indian prince.

Looks like my reply was hidden too. Smh.

sonOfLucifer:

This statement is ambiguous. Am I a soul or do I possess a soul? What exactly is a soul? Would there be an 'I' without a body? Of what use is this 'I' without a body? Can a soul be separated from a personality?

your soul is only part of you. You are a spirit that has a soul.

I've already given my opinion of what the soul is. There is you, without your body.

The you without a body is the you that has the potential to connect with god.

The personality your soul exhibits is dependent on you, it can also be affected by its conduit to the physical. But your personality is not your soul.

This is merely my take on these issues.

sonOfLucifer:

The real me is a soul, or has one?

I hear there are experiences one goes through that could permanently change their personality. Read an article on it sometime back. Will see if I can find a link.

The real you has a soul.

There are many things that can damage personality through damage of the brain. But you are not your brain.

I believe your brain is simply the conduit by which mind controls your body and interacts with things material.


Abeg how will they ban you without telling you why? I can't remember breaking any obvious rules.

sonOfLucifer:

Yeah, you're banned. Well deserved, I must say.

Lol. For what?

wiegraf:


there was a reply to this thread? I thought y'all steered clear from it...

Can you give us your definition please? I think the some soul is some magical substance that is supposed to gives us sentience, free will, etc.

You're somehow correct. The soul; the collection of the mind, will, emotions...


Your mind has a voice, it is the voice reading this words to you. The voice of your thoughts and imagination. The center of your creativity and genius.

The real you, the immaterial you, has a soul.

sonOfLucifer:

in3rigger..

we go jam too o

I cant reply or do anything on the religion section with my other account. Abeg wetin dey happen? Na ban?

@sonoflucifer and ayomikun37. I don't mean pity in a bad way. I mean it genuinely, not from a position of disgust but from one of compassion. I sincerely think you don't know the logical conclusions of the position you take.


And yes, I am JTF, and yes, I came online with this account after all these years to troll sonoflucifer and wiegraf specifically. While sonoflucifer ignored my provocations, wiegraf simply showed me he was a bigger troll.

I should have known trolling masters at such would be futile.

what do you think a soul is?

texanomaly:

wiegraf get alter ego sef?

But who knows if I am truly wiegraf's alter ego? Who knows if I am simply an insane wiegraf suffering with another personality? That would mean my life and reality is mostly a figment of wiegraf's imagination.

How painful.

sonOfLucifer:

troll

wiegraf:


Who do you think you are? People don't cordially disagree in these parts!

some technical problems with omniscience and/or free will include;

-there's an infinite regress when trying to collect the data - the observer cannot observe himself without causing infinite loop
-relativity essentially ensures that the future is set in stone. Some caveats? Perhaps. But you can't really get around that. Even without fancy theories you can sort of show that the future is set in stone.

I am your schoolmaster. But if I explain that to you, people who think we are the same person will think you're talking to yourself...but what if you are? What if you have run mad in your atheism, and I am the result if your insanity? An alter ego moniker on nairaland, challenging your excuses and foundations of unbelief.

You may have dissociative personality disorder. Who knows? What is real and what have you imagined the last few days? How is it that I suddenly spring up again after all these years to bring up the omniscient question?
Could it be that your own brain is pushing against your refusal to examine these things from another frame of reference? These are all heavy probabilities, No?

And these statements will only make your fellows believe even more that I'm you trolling myself, in any case, maybe a medical examination would be advisable at this point. Narrate your suspicions of DPD to the doctor to give him the right lead also. Or at least check up classic symptoms of DPD on the web then. Don't take the obvious path ordinary you would take, which is dismiss all this ranting as whagarbl.

Here is my response to your so)called technicalities(or could it be your response to yourself while seeing things from the logical reference?)

-There is no infinite regress in data collection as there is no stage of data collection at all. Omniscience, WRT OUR REALITY is taken to be a logical quality of a being who is the origin of our reality, and is transcendent over it. See?
-The future set in stone vs us having various actions or choices rolled over other actions and choices. The future cannot overhaul our present independence. We do not know this set future, and the most likely scene is us, in the future, choosing our so-called set reality by ourselves.
All the claims that omniscience distorts freewill, or the other way round, take up an imaginative quality at best, belied by our present independence.

texanomaly:


Who is this?

wiegraf's schoolmaster. Sorry for quoting you unexpectedly.

ebiagtales:


I must confess I did
cold kunuburukutu with nunu milkmonkey tail gives me inspiration to write songs of SolomonAkpos like this

Wow. I wonder why he didn't take any selfies with an arch angel?

I hope its just a joke

sonOfLucifer:

Hmm.. Thanks. Grateful to you and plaetton.

who is your mother?

What babble is this

Op. Did you drink burukutu (fermented kunu) before coming to pour random thoughts on the internet?

wiegraf:
i have already addressed this actually. once complete knowledge is attainable then that means the future is determined... btw, there are also more practical problems with omniscience so...

Not necessarily. But lets cordially disagree

wiegraf:
it still fails brah. for starters, i would be predicting his actions. nothing stopping my prediction from being wrong. if my prediction has no chance of failing it stops being one. it then becomes a determined fact, one that cannot be deviated from. once actions can be determined absolutely then there is, and never has been, no free will

your prediction is based on your knowledge of him. God knows completely.

texanomaly:


Actually, I'm not a fence sitter. I think your position is completely wrong and you are missing out on a great deal of blessings because of it. I simply don't wish to argue about it. fortunately, we are free to believe what we will.

Yes we are, even if I may know you so well, and so completely, to understand that this would be your exact reaction.
My knowledge of you does not violate your right of choice or action

wiegraf:
na only saraki dey confirmed so far? i go laff tire if buhari shows up. when they get to americans ehn... tho there might be only a handful of them due to uncle sam's dilligence when it comes to tax

Hello. In three years I may have received even more light on the issue of yhwh and freewill.

Do you have children?
The knowledge of God does not do away with our wills. He knows us completely.

Just as your knowledge of your son will enable you to accurately predict his actions in relation to various circumstances and not corrupt his will also.
Compare with God's superior knowledge and his timelessness. See?

I hope you consider this erudite analogy.

Very encouraging and helpful