i dont really see the point you are making on the black stone.
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Ok in my last post here I made a typo; "DEVIN, when it should have been DEVINE prudence" sorry, also there is NO GOOD WAY to talk about the next subject, the BLACK STONE, except to say it has been kissed by pagans and possibly by tantric Hindus also.

                           Now on to "the BLACK STONE" SO here is the HADITHED history of                                                   “The BLACK STONE”:
According to legend, in order to facilitate the construction of the Kaaba, the angel Jibril Ibrahim brought a flat stone that could hang in the air and serve as a scaffold. This stone - Maqam Ibrahim (Ibrahim the place of standing, in Russian). Located a few meters from the Kaaba and the faithful clearly see it footprints of his forefather. When the Kaaba was almost ready, Abraham needed a notable stone to mark on the wall of the place from which to begin the ritual treatment around the Kaaba. The fact is that in heaven the angels and Adam, was taught by God himself, made a seven-fold treatment around the Kaaba, and Ibrahim wanted to make sure worship on earth was happening correctly. This is where the angel Jibril, and brought him to the famous Black Stone, it would be finally set into the northeast corner of the building - the stone was originally a dazzling whiteness, but then quickly turned black at the touch of sinners. Ka'ba black stone (al-Hajar al-Esvad as Muslims call it) - according to legend fell from the sky during the time of Adam - according to one version, it was Adam's guardian angel, overlooking the stone after he made it, a fallen meteorite.

And now the world historical view of “The Black Stone”,                                                                                                were there Tantric Hindus among the pagans who controlled the Kaaba until the time of Prophet Muhammed?                                                                                                                                                                Were their women the ones going around the Kaaba UNCLAD and why?   

Long before Islam took back the Kaaba,the Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site for pagens. The word Kaaba might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva’s temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called "Hajre Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape]. The annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca until the present annual hajj of the Muslims.
Many Kaabas were established featuring stone idols that represented these objects of worship, to which the pagans and Tantric Hindus went on pilgrimage, and circumambulated in ceremony. Al Ula = the Oasis; Kaabas were built by or near waterway or wells,                                                                                                                                                    A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilization and Arabia.]

Why do Hindus send their girls to rub themselves on the Black Stone of the Temple?
Posted in the India Forum   
                                                                                                 
Hindus send their girls to HINDU TEMPLES to rub themselves on BLACK STONE called SHIVALIGAM for fertility. (Posted by INDIA)

Now the Sunni Muslims of India and Pakistan have changed the Black Stone ritual to the Qur’an

Do muslim girls rub themselves  with kuran?
Posted in the India Forum

This ritual is common in India especially in North India. So many Muslim women are getting benefit of this ritual. It is amazing that you are not aware with this ritual. I think you are not a Muslim (posted by MuslimGirl)

shahrukh wrote:

Ya Allah ,
Who opened this thred . This is a very secret ritual and should not be discussed publically .

LagosShia:

i think you are drifitng off what i was saying.

so do you deny the existence of the Prophet's (sa) daughter Lady Fatima (as) because she is too is not mentioned in the Quran at all? do you deny the exitence of Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as),the grandchildren of the Prophet (sa)? so going by only accepting what is mentioned in the Quran,the Prophet Muhammad (sa) only had perhaps one companion in the name of Zaid (ra)?

i know very well that the Quran is a divine book of guidance and not a history textbook or a biographical work.it is not even a book on arabia.

No one is denying the existence of the Prophet's off springs or his companions; it is just that, whatever they had to say through HEARSAY, other than Qur’an!!! is not of DIVEN prudence, I do not know at this time, if she is the same one the Catholics call “Our Lady of Fatima”, (even though we now have Muslim Nuns, married to the Qur’an living in Pakistan) but again she is not a prophet in the Islamic sense of the word and Zaid is only mention in the Qur’an because the wife situation with the Prophet.

After the Angels purified the Prophet’s heart, not only did he become the seal of all the Prophets, he also became the last of the Infallible Ones (I do not believe Shia Imams are infallible, sorry), until the coming of whomever it is to come, Jesus? Madi? The12 Imams? Anti-chirst? Or even the four horsemen?  Whomever they maybe, therefore anyone else is of sin and in need of guidance, meaning people of the greatest intentions are capable of lying from “The Man From Bukhara, Russia” to the most enlightened clergy person of today.


The Arab Leaders of the Middle-east all claim to be direct descendants of the Prophet, unless they are Jewish the bloodline comes from the father not the mother and in the Qur’an, ALLAH says

Al-Ahzab [33:40]    Muhammad is not the FATHER OF any OF YOUR MEN, but (he is) the Messenger OF Allah, and the Seal OF the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge OF all things

Sweetnecta:

My brother am just having fun. I am glad you are part of the crew, though. Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

thank you sir,AMIN

BISMILLAH IR-RAHMAN IR-RAHHIM

In defense of the Ahmediyyah
Not only do Shiates and Sunnis fight with Christians, Hindus and Jews and now with Buddhist as well while fighting with each other,
Sunnis and Shiates also attack other MUSLIMS too! Such as the Ahmadiyyas, Submitters and any other MUSLIMS who are not part of their Hadthie Orthodoxy.
I have read the Ahmadiyyas were busy building schools and hospitals and translating the Qur’an into local languages in East Africa (something the Sunnis forbid at one time), while the African-Sunnis were busy taking Africans into slavery for the Arabs. Ahmadiyyas were the first here in the USA to teach would be Black Americans Muslims the QUR’AN, while the Sunni-Arabs here were and still is selling pork and alcohol to Black Americans.
When something is blown up and people and their children are murdered by Islamic terrorist in the name of Islam,                                                                                                                                     
The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say;                                                                                       “Oh, the people who did that are not really Muslims”
And when Ahmadiyya and Submitter Muslims, Say “We too are victims of Islamic terrorism”       
The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say;                                                                              “Oh, those people who said that are not really Muslims”
Well then, are The Moderate Orthodox Muslims, really Islamic terrorist sympathizers

OK,I'm glad we have that strieghten(no punn)out

LA ILAH ILA AL L (I) LAH AL (L) LAH = ALLLAAH = ALLAAH
NO ELOH EXCEPT THE-(E) L-(E) LOH (THE EL “WHO IS” ELOH)
ALiLAH= THE ELOHإلْآهَ الْآ

وَلِلّهِ HALLOW BE THY NAME
L= the LAM of emphasis Read in this direction ELO or GOD


THE FIRST OF THE THREE CHIEF IDOLS (FEMALES) OF ARABIA:
al-LAT= The M00N CRESENT 53:19 اللَّات
aLAaT= MOON (CRESENTS) PHASES 10:5 الآيَاتِ
Qamar is full moon, Lat is crescent NOW THE SYMBOL OF ORTHODOX ISLAAM
Second of the three IDOLS; Al-UZZa 53:19العُزَّى (in the BIBLE, a man GOD smoothed)
Number 24 (al-MUZaa [MALE]) المعزا of 99 names of AL-LLAAH اللّهِ Third of the three IDOLS; MANaat 53:20 مَنَاةَ
Number 90 (al-MAaNi [MALE]) المانع of 99 name of AL-LLAAH اللّهِ

Not only do Shiates and Sunnis fight with Christians, Hindus and Jews and now with Buddhist as well while fighting with each other,
Sunnis and Shiates also attack other MUSLIMS too! Such as the Ahmadiyyas, Submitters and any other MUSLIMS who are not part of their Hadthie Orthodoxy.
I have read the Ahmadiyyas were busy building schools and hospitals and translating the Qur’an into local languages in East Africa (something the Sunnis forbid at one time), while the African-Sunnis were busy taking Africans into slavery for the Arabs. Ahmadiyyas were the first here in the USA to teach would be Black Americans Muslims the QUR’AN, while the Sunni-Arabs here were and still is selling pork and alcohol to Black Americans.
When something is blown up and people and their children are murdered by Islamic terrorist in the name of Islam,
The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say; “Oh, the people who did that are not really Muslims”
And when Ahmadiyya and Submitter Muslims, Say “We too are victims of Islamic terrorism”
The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say; “Oh, those people who said that are not really Muslims”
Well then, are The Moderate Orthodox Muslims, really Islamic terrorist sympathizers

miftaudeen (m)
lagos,nigeria
Posts: 303

miftaudeen:

becareful and be aware my brothers and sisters in islam.Ahmadiyah groups are not a muslim,they are kufr(unbeliver).

When something is blown up and people and their children are murdered by Islamic terrorist in the name of Allah,
The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say;
“Oh, the people who did that are not really Muslims”

And when Ahmadiyya and Submitter Muslims, Say “We too are victims of Islamic terrorism”

The Moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims are quick to Say; “Oh, those people who said that are not really Muslims”

Well then, are The Moderate Orthodox Muslims, really Islamic terrorist sympathizers

Sweetnecta ,sweet necta what is the meaning of your ID, sweetie ?

LagosShia:

who gave them these names? any evidence to back your allegation?
that still doesn't mean that muslim worship the idols if you're saying the truth.but i have seen the videos you presented to support your allegation and those videos are speculation and nothing more.

so even the Black Stone is regarded as an "idol" to the "submitters" and followers of Rashad Khalifa?

is that how far Shaitan has led you astray because of Rashad Khalifa?have pity on yourself!!!

There many places online including the Saudi Embassy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil

Only Zaide, none of the other companions, or names of the wives of Prophet Muhammad are mention in The Qur’an. Even The Black Rock is not mention in The Qur’an, and Prophet Muhammed,He has no sons.
The Black Stone is a Shivaling. Rashad Khalifa was NOT a prophet but he was an enlightened Imam,but still unlike in sunni muslim countries     no one in the USA  has the right to kill any one for their personal beliefs.
MUSLIM HIJRAs are all over india and pakiland so you can pretent all you want but truth is truth

NEW SET of THREE IDOLS FOR ARABIA and HAJJ
The three jamarat are named (starting from the east)
the first or smallest jamrah (al-ula or as-sughra‎ [female]) al-UZZa,
the middle jamrah (al-wusta) MANaat,
and the largest jamrah (al-`Aqabah or al-kubra [female] al-LAT).

Yes on hajj akbar, thats the one with the extera days, too bad that doesn't,include a trip insiide the KAABA, so you can see the new golden images of the sun and moon the saudis put in.
LOOK, if you do any ritual to any Idol ,then you are in some form of IDOL WORSHIP,and don;t get me started on the sacride BLACK STONE.

toba:

lol @ frosbel sunni

DUDE? give it up ,the joke on me , is  one week  old already, don't beat a dead horse or in you case dead zebra to death,well ok. just one more  laugh , so move on, there is nothing eles to see, unless you want to hope on over to the AHMEDIYYA THREAD, someone there (not me this time) made similar mistake also.

phartye:

I seek refuge in Allah from every wrongs and fallacies dat U've said above, whether mistakingly or intentionally, those dat U've reveal and as well conceal. U've no right to utter things against people unless U've concrete & verifyable proofs, rather fear d fire! I pray Allah rectify our shortcomings and make us better Muslims. Amen. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) has spoken saying the only saved muslims on d day of judgement are those, who are upon what he and his companions are upon. My question for is are the Ahmadiyyah upon what the Prophet(s.a.w) and his companions(r.a) are upon? With evidences!

Almost any video on you tube about Muslim and Hijra's not hijrah ,the one on Daily Motion called: hindusalaam_0001 is not the best,but is the most graphic.

ON Tripusura : see You Tube: "Is Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesied in Hindu Scriptures? -- Dr.Zakir Naik"

in Hindu Books jesuse is known as ISHA PUTRA and a JINN is called ASURA. hummmmmmm?

Sweetnecta , tpia and muhsin; AMIN.

No, wait! some Ahmeddiyyas think Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) in mentioned in the Hindu  Vedas also,here goes::

Mahamada (Mohammad),

Shri Suta Gosvami said: In the dynasty of king Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. Then gradually the morality declined on the earth. At that time Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu and conquered over the gandharas, mlecchas, shakas, kasmiris, naravas and sathas. He punished them and collected a large ammount of wealth. Then the king went along with Mahamada (Mohammad), the preceptor of mleccha-dharma, and his followers to the great god, Lord Shiva, situated in the desert.

Suta Goswami said: After hearing the king’s prayers, Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura, whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghosts. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified. Hearing this the king came back to his country, 

That city is known as their site of pilgrimage, a place which was Madina or free from intoxication. Having a form of a ghost (Bhuta), The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, Therefore, they will be known as musalman.

The intelligent king, Bhojaraj established the language of Sanskrit in three varnas - the brahmanas, kshatriyas and vaisyas - and for the shudras he established prakrita-bhasha, the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for 50 years, he went to the heavenly planet. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta, the pious land is situated between Vindhyacala and Himacala or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other side of the river Sindhu

These are tributaries of the ganges in india
Zam zam water is part of ganges
River jordan is part of ganges

Yes it does "maclatunji and muhsin" I've seen the worst in Sunni Indiana and Pakistani Muslims , if anyone pushes me , they will and have gotten  pushed back,coming to America with their hidden CASTE system hidden with-in their HADITHS.

I've friendlyed with the Whitest of Muslims from Bosnia and the Blackest Muslims from Mother Africa but none have VEXED me like those   the indo-paki muslims (HINDUS WITH HADITH BOOKS).

You are really are unaware of the raciest crap they(sunni indo-pakis) come up with in a very undercover manor,but like Killer Bees of North America ,a hybrid of Europe and Africa so is the African American and like the killer Bee,if rubbed  the wrong way and we will come after you in such a deadly manor,

eventhough most African-American muslim are not like me,because they only see each other durning Juma where as I have lived among them.

So looks like it ain't just Yoruba and Hausa both who are Sunni Muslims, I may add, having a problem with each other.
                                            as-salaamu alay kum my beloved Muslim Family

Well "muslim" thx for your input, I can laugh at myself as well, none of us are perfect,but it is no laughing matter for me to be a Sunni any longer,

after chatting with many of you on this wonderful sight,I have decided not to attend any more Jumas at any Sunni Masajid.

If I can not find a Submitters Masjid, then I will Juma at an Ahmeddiyya Masjid for now.chow

"So how do you practise what the Qur'an commands without the ahadeeth?
How do you make ablution? call people to prayer, observe the rites of fasting, zakat etc"

31:6 Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of ALLAH without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

68 (:35 to: 43) Shall we treat the Muslims like the criminals? What is wrong with your logic? Do you have another book (Hadith) to uphold?  In it, do you find anything you want? Or, have you received solemn assurances from us that grant you whatever you wish on the Day of Resurrection? Ask them, "Who guarantees (Bukhari?) this for you?" Do they have idols (Al-Ula, Al-Wusta, and Aqabah)? Let their idols help them, if they are truthful. The day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to fall prostrate, but they will be unable to. With their eyes subdued, humiliation will cover them. They were invited to fall prostrate when they were whole and able

68:44 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith (Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
فَذَرْنِي وَمَن يُكَذِّبُ بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ سَنَسْتَدْرِجُهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

"A bigot is intolerant of the view of others
You think Americans believe in communism? Why are they opposed to polygamy but love 3-somes etc which they now tag poly amorous relationship"
homo.sexuality is also right and they want to sell the idea to people who are culturally opposed to it. Is that not bigotry?

What has NOT been talked about much is the Indian-Pakistani Sunnis love for cutting off little boys ORGANS to make them into HIJRAS _second class citizen manmade woman. While at the same time making GOD made woman into THIRD class citizens,

"And you are misinterpreting words = Kaafir is singular
Calling sunnis kaafireen might make you a kaafir too. Be careful
Tell us the changes made to the qur'an "

MISTRANSLATED WORDS FROM THE ORTHODOX SUNNI MUSLIMS;
ABDU =                          WORSHIPER                                               NOT      SLAVE
KAFIIR=                          DENIER OF FREEDOM TO WORSHIP      NOT      UNBELEIVER
3LAHMIN=                     RELM OF KNOWLEDGE                           NOT       WORLDS
DUNYA=                         WORLD                                                      NOT       3LAHMIIN
ARDI=                             EARTH                                                        NOT       3LAHMIIN

HYMAN is that something to do with a woman's, never mind,now I never spoke bad of YORUBA'S ,I think the Muslim YORUBA'S are more tolerent than HAUSA'S anyday of the year.

Now as far as me being AFRO-AMERICAN,The result of you africans selling your brothers and sisters to the arabs and europeans,BUT since I am am AMERICAN I have the chance of being President of the most powerful country the world!
something YOU could never hope for or to be.

You need to get your own Country affairs in order all that OIL money and majority of your people still poor running over to my country for education and jobs.sometimes. some  of you Africas with all that tribal dancing and no f@@@@king know how to take advantage of your GOD given land Mother AFRICA,you all really embarrass me sometimes!!!!!

by the way aFRiKa from the arabic root FRK=DIVIDE y'all sure live up to it including us Afro-Americans,NOW RUN and TELL THAT!!!

Surah: 109

1. Say: 'O religious Bigots,

2. I do not worship what you worship,

3. Nor do you worship what I worship.

4. Nor am I worshiping what you have worshipped

5. Neither will you worship what I worship.

6. To you your religion, and to me my Religion

KUFFAR =UNBELIEVER
KAAFIR= RELIGIOUS BIGOT
 
most Sunnis and fundamentalist Christians are RELIGIOUS BIGOTS ie. kaafireen
there are many WORDS in the QUR'AN sunnis have made slight changes to the meaning to trick the people

I love the Ahmadiyyas for all the gr8 work they have done in east Africa with building of masajid, hospitals-schools and translating the QUR'AN into local languages such ans Kiswahili unlike arab and African sunnis doing the slave trade.

In addition to that the Ahmediyyas gr8 work here in the USA suppling QUR'ANS to the Nation of Islam.

I would join the Ahmediyyas, but I no longer accept anybodies Hadiths (no hadith no confusion only QUR'AN alhamduILLAH).

Thx for the info LagoShia, also I did not realize that frosbel is a Christian because he was using words like kaafir,I now see he must be one of those fundamentalist Christians looking to start crap among all Muslims. I must be careful of those kinds of people as well.
       wal lake kum salaam

Each day I learn Sunnis are  just plain sh@#$t starters and the world is seeing first hand you Sunnis are full of name calling at least with LagoShia I have  a good conversation, even if we are not in agreement on everything, LagoShia speaks like an educated person not like a dumb as## like you frosbel.
KUFFAR =UNBLEIVER
KAAFIR= RELIGOUST BIGOT like you are FROBEL

LagoShia can you tell me why

I. Why did SUNNIS placed back the Images of the SUN and MOON back inside the KAABA MECCA .

II. One Sunni even prays inside the KAABA towards what direction? (is it the OLD KAABA, Al-Ula= The Oasis in Maneet ARABIA, which was once the Boss of the Mecca KAABA)

III. The SHIA now have their own KAABA too in IRAN.
IV. What city is this Kaaba in IRAN?
Sura 106
1. For the custom of the Koraysh,
2. their custom of the winter and summer journey.
3. Therefore let them worship the Lord of this House
4. who fed them from hunger and secured them from fear.

INSIDE VIDEO OF HOLY KAABA (MASHALLAH) YOU TUBE
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As-salaamu alay kum
Well truly LagosShia, I really do not know enough about Shia Hadiths to make these blanket statements, so in the future, I will tag my statements on Hadith as Sunni Hadiths, unless I am sightening some Hadith I know for sure to be a Shia Hadith, that is  the best I can do in this case.

And if every I should write myself a speech for some public funtion here in the United States,I think I will hire you to PROOF READ it for me first,no joke you are just that good, thanks.
 
                                                            wal-lakum  salaam

Ok my Dear Believer I’ m not going to go around and around with you on this ,even though I enjoy what you have to say because of your intellect you’re very pleasant to converse with even though I do not agree with you 100% maybe I agree with you for about 50%,

if not for shia islam i would rather be an unbeliever than a sunni.and if shia islam is ismailism,i'd rather be a sunni. so figure out the puzzle.i am a shia who follow the 12 Imams (as) as the Prophet (sa) is reported even in sunni books of hadith to have prophesided 12 successors of his.
“Your words,” now “My words” if not for free minded Submitters I would return to Christianity. Rashad is not a Prophet only a well enlighten Imam.

Surah: 109

1. Say: 'O religious Bigots,

2. I do not worship what you worship,

3. Nor do you worship what I worship.

4. Nor am I worshiping what you have worshipped,

5. Neither will you worship what I worship.

6. To you your religion, and to me my Religion

First of all I come from a country founded on freedom of religion although people were not physically free at the time.
I still make Friday salaat at a Sunni Masjid they speak in Urdu which is good for me because I do not wish to hear any Hadiths in English
After about 20 year of hearing lies told on Prophet Muhammed I am done with these ling Hadithies who do not believe in the WHOLE QUR’AN and have re-arranged the order of The Suras.

Abrogating/Nasikh Verses:-
               These are the Suras in which there are verses both abrogating as well as abrogated. There are 25 such Suras in the Quran:

       2,3,4,5,8,9,14,18,19,21,22,24,25,26,33,34,40,42,51,52,56,58,73,108.

       In the final analysis, 71 Suras - out of 114 - comprising 62.28% of all the suras of the Quran have had verses changed or deleted.
(Abu Ja'afar al Nakhass ' al Nasikh wal Mansukh').

       There are therefore only 43 Surahs that have not had any of their verses changed      .2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We    substitute something better or similar; knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?



How DARE them! Say a 9 year old girl (Aisha) being BONED by a forty year old man is not important because he is the prophet!!!!
First of all the HADITHS are LIES that the Sunnis and Shiates put on Prophet Muhammad to justify their lust and NOT following the WHOLE QUR'AN.
READ WHAT THE QUR’AN SAIDS ABOUT HADITHS: THE ACTUAL WORD HADITH IS IN EACH VERSE [AYAT].

68 (:35 to: 43) Shall we treat the Muslims like the criminals? What is wrong with your logic? Do you have another book (Hadith) to uphold?  In it, do you find anything you want? Or, have you received solemn assurances from us that grant you whatever you wish on the Day of Resurrection? Ask them, "Who guarantees (Bukhari?) this for you?" Do they have idols (Al-Ula, Al-Wusta, and Aqabah)? Let their idols help them, if they are truthful. The day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to fall prostrate, but they will be unable to. With their eyes subdued, humiliation will cover them. They were invited to fall prostrate when they were whole and able

68:44 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith (Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
فَذَرْنِي وَمَن يُكَذِّبُ بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ سَنَسْتَدْرِجُهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

Fundamentalist Christians are able to use Sunni and Shiite HADITHS as ammo to discredit Islam, because they are able to find anything they want to find including hadith that contradict hadith,            Al-Bukhari is NOT his name but the name of the town he is from (like calling someone from New York, the New Yorker rather than his real name) so the man would NOT sign his real name to this work, “which was about 40 Hadiths,”
{Al-Mughirah Ibn Bardizbah He was born in 810 AD /died 870AD
Born in the city of Bukhara (Bukhari) in Khorasan (now in Uzbekistan, (Russia)
Born 170 years after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) died 640 AD}  .                                                                                       The other many thousands of Hadiths was added later by the Sunnis who were afraid to lie directly on Prophet Muhammad, so they used names of people NOT mentioned in the QURAN, and said Bukhari heard it indirectly from them through hearsay from yet others before them, also Not mention in the QURAN.
Hadith that says don’t follow hadith
Shown below are two such Hadiths taken from the Hadithists' most reliable sources, Sahih Muslim and Is-haah Ahmad Ibn Hanbal:
The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran."                                     [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Muslim]
This Hadith states that the Prophet maintained his anti-Hadith stand until death.                              [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 192]
It was narrated from Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur’aan let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that." (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa'l-Raqaa'iq, 5326)
Fri, Dec 23, 2011 just a few days ago!!!
Islamists kill dozens in Nigeria Christmas bombs
ABUJA (Reuters) - Islamist militants set off bombs across Nigeria on Christmas Day - three targeting churches including one that killed at least 27 people - raising fears that they are trying to ignite sectarian civil war.
The Boko Haram Islamist sect, which aims to impose sharia law across the country, claimed responsibility for the three church bombs, the second Christmas in a row the group has caused mass carnage with deadly bombings of churches. Security forces also blamed the sect for two other blasts in the north.
Salaam, I’ m done here, but please EM AIL me in the future you are a good person to know may ALLAH bless you always

Well thank you so much LagosShia for your reply, I stand corrected on the Yoruba-Hausa-Ibo/Biafra numbers, I believe you have more of a handle on the understanding of that part of the world than I do in covering your replays #1 thru #5.

No#6; I have come to know some very nice Shiates (here in the USA in my home city of Chicago,) from Pakistan they are known as Ishmalis of the Aga Khan, I find them not harsh or two faced, like many Pakistani-Indo Sunnis I have met here in the United States.
I do not believe in beating myself with chains as I have seen Shiates do on You Tube videos( we African–Americans fought to get away from that) or cutting open my son’s head for some religious ritual.
Now let me enlighten my dear Shia friend, there are two kinds of Ahmadiyyas in operation in this world today, the Lahore and the Qadiani one believes in Mizarat as a Nobi NOT as a Rasul, I have read the Ahmadiyyas were busy building schools and hospitals and translating the Qur’an into local languages in East Africa (something the Sunnis forbid at one time), while the African-Sunnis were busy taking Africans into slavery for the Arabs. Ahmadiyyas were the first here in the USA to teach would be Black Americans Muslims the QUR’AN, while the Sunni-Arabs here were and still is selling pork and alcohol to Black Americans.

No#7; Now in the case of the Submitter, there are two groups of them also, one believe Rashad as a Nobi and the other believe him as a Mujuddid, Reviver of the faith.
It is not for you to say who is or who “aint” a Muslim, Sunnis are like the Catholics of 1200 AD. Trying to impose their own brand of religion through the threat of death, and fights with the Eastern Orthodox on who should be POPE, hummmm?? Sounds like that Sunni-Shia thing on who should be Khaliphah.

No#8; Ok I will give you number eight, I was married to an Indian woman for seven years I should know. Also I had to physically whip some Indian Muslims for their racist comments to my   wife about our marriage; even White Americans are 40 year past that mess.

No#9; Just go on You Tube and see how the law of MUT’A is used by the Orthodox Muslims, Shia use it to cover prostitution, the Sunni Arabs use HADITHfor marriage to little girls and the Indo-Paks use it for civil unions with Eunuchs and Black American Muslims use it to to justify having a legal wife and several girl friends at the same time. Just go on YOU TUBE and see for yourself!

No#10; I will give you number 10 also, but again, you “aint”  got the right to say who is or who “aint” a Muslim.

31:6 Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of ALLAH without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

As salaam Alay kum
I am an African-American convert Muslim raised in a Christian home as a boy and I have come to know that Yoruba are 40% Muslims and 60 % Christians both with benefit of western education like the Ibo-Biafra who are about 100% Christians.
The Hausa on the other hand are about 100% Sunni Muslims, who with no education except not even QUR’AN, mainly their education is Hadiths.
I think they the Hausa are Black Arabs still dealing in the black slave trade to their Arab brothers the Saudi Arabians.

I heard over the radio Hausa Muslims attacked Yoruba Muslims over market space in some village in Nigeria, a few years back

Not only do Shiates and Sunnis fight with Christians, Hindus and Jews and now with Buddhist as well while fighting with each other,
Sunnis and Shiates also attack other MUSLIMS too! Such as the Ahmadiyyas, Submitters and any other MUSLIMS who are not part of their Hadthie Orthodoxy.

What has NOT been talked about much is the Indian-Pakistani Sunnis love for cutting off little boys ORGANS to make them into HIJRAS _second class citizen manmade woman. While at the same time making GOD made woman into THIRD class citizens,
And Also Sunni and Shia Arab Muslims allowing and doing marriages to little girls six years old and younger. As well as  having incest marriages within their own families.

Sunni Hadithies are teaching, crazy Hadiths to Black Americans Sunni Muslims; such as to kill their female family members for not wearing ARAB or PAKISTANI clothes (see the Chicago story Aug.2010).
So as long as the Moderate Muslims are not speaking out about these things then the so called Moderate Muslims are just pawns of the Islamic Terrorist
Sign: an AMERICAN MUSLIM who is NOT a HADITHIE!!