LordReed:


From the look of things, he would rather put the Quran ahead of any scientific evidence.

Lol, exactly.

Shidda:

What is it you don't believe? The religion or the existence of God?

Both

IMAliyu:

I can't really say, as it was sort of a gradual thing.
But I never recovered from a question I asked in 2020 which I made a thread for, which was "How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth?"
The fact that I could never find a decent answer to this bothered me.
I could concede the grounds that a God exists and created the universe for argument sake, but I still couldn't make an argument or come to the logical conclusion for any specific religion (primarily Islam) being empirically valid or the truth from that.

This stuck with me, as to why Allah if real, would make the evidence for his religion as weak as for all the other supposed false religions.
Considering the very high stakes here, which is eternal torture. You would think a loving, Merciful creator that doesn't want that for us, would make proving it's religion to be as simple and reliable as proving the existence of gravity. Rather we are stuck arguing about ancient books that even members of the religion can't all agree on it's interpretations and meaning.
This would either mean God is not good but in fact cruel, or non of this is real and it's entirely manmade.

I still kept up with Salat, and Ramadan fasting up until sometime 2022 thinking I am wrong, and maybe if I learned even more, that I would change my mind, and regain my faith.
That never happened, the more I learned the more manmade everything looked, and Salat and fasting became a very hollow and demanding chore, that I had to drop

To an extent I still feel a level of loss here, considering I did infact think Islam was really the Truth, with all questions answered, that was why I was so eager to engage and defend it in the past.

This was the exact phase I went through, there are threads I made asking questions too. To think that the Quran is filled with ancient myths & unscientific approaches is another good reason.

And I also see that most people choose the religion of their parents or environment, it really doesn't make sense if there's a true god but so much diversity and he wants to punish people for what he couldn't make right.

Good that you left religion & superstitious beliefs, welcome once again.

Anaybira:

you don't have to believe, just to reply you. You got it already?

Quran is not an evidence for how the universe came to be.

NeoWanZaeed:


You are brain dead. Don't quote me again.

Christians worship Jesus who's a human being.
Jews worship Ezra
Buhdiist worship Buddha who's a human being

The list goes on and on

Christians worship a supernatural god, Jews don't worship Ezra they worship Yahweh, Buddhists don't worship Buddha infact Buddhists don't believe in concept of supreme god.

You can insult me all you want but your argument is ridiculous still.

IMAliyu:

No, ex-Muslim/Agnostic atheist, now.

Tho I'm forced to keep up appearances with family and friends.

Wow that's great. Welcome to the club brother.

The family part is necessary, it's something most African atheists can relate too.

What year did it happen?

Anaybira:

By revelation, He said He was neither created not given birth to.
By natural inclination the supreme originator is not and will never be a product of origination [CREATION].
HE gave us the tools to absurb this...Check Qur 76:1-3 again.
also Quran 67:10

Oh my goodness.

Anaybira:

ALLAH said He is the creator, the same One who gave you limited knowledge [or do man think he can know everything?] unseen matter are only revealed through prophets. By nature we cannot force ourselves to believe the universe came from nothing even the most retard of man will not take that, in the same vein, by nature we must believe that there is something a creator behind this magnificient world of ours. This is an intelligent design no doubt.
Less you want to starting following Darwinian evolution theory which is even crazier to hold as truth.

Again, you're going in circles. Quoting the Quran doesn't solve the question of why your god created the universe from nothing. It's ridiculous to quote a book that's subjective to your religion. It's like saying the reason superman can fly is because it's written in the comic.

A god creating the universe from nothing is as absurd as someone who claims the universe came from nothing. Both parties can make claims since it's based on subjective beliefs.

IMAliyu:

I've been doing alright.

I've come 180° on my convictions on religion and Islam, since we last interacted.
Funny how life goes sometimes.

You're still a muslim?

Anaybira:

check Qur 75:31-40

You're using Quran verses as evidence to someone that doesn't believe in the book? Lol

NeoWanZaeed:


You have no idea about what you are talking about

Most religions I know believe that their supreme god is supernatural, if you have any religion where a human is worshiped as the supreme god, kindly mention them.

LordReed:


Glad to hear. I'm alright contrary to all those hoping their god will strike me down. LoLz.

This is hilarious

Anaybira:
cont...
We don't have to know the maker or the process to believe that by certainty.
ALLAH said: Has there not been over a period of time, when he was not a thing worth mentioning?
Verily, We have created man from Nutfah (drops) of mixed semen (sexual discharge of man and woman), in order to try him: so We made him hearer and seer.
Verily, We showed him the way, wether he be grateful or ungrateful. Qur 76:1-3.

This is word of mouth and more also ridiculous.

Anaybira:

What do you mean by practically?
As for the origination of existence, that is a matter of unseen, same thing as the angel, jin etc but through HIS prophets some knowledge of creation were made known to us. No doubt, human knowledge is limited due to HIS saying:
...And they wil never compass anything of HIS Knowledge except that which HE wills...Qur 2:255.
He the Creator put in us intellect and natural inclination to know somethings by necessity, this cannot be cheated, believing there is an originator is part of it even though we might not see or know how.
Similitude is the iphone example I made above, no human can be in his right mind and think that there was nothing behind such an intelligence design [even though, that was only a manipulation of what is already in existence].

1. So you believe it's a matter of unseen(mystery) hence your god can create something from nothing but when someone said the universe came from nothing you find it absurd?

2. If something must have a creator or originator, who's the creator of your god?

Anaybira:

We ask him how *something* that already existed was brought into existence without being created by something?

Not getting this question, kindly give example.

Anaybira:

Explain objectively with example how something can come into existence without the process of creation.

Why not explain to us practically how something can be created out of nothing if you believe a creator created the universe from nothing?

IMAliyu:


Aye, welcome back.
It's been a while.

Nice to see you're still kicking.

Thank you brother. Trust you're doing great.

LordReed:


Hey there! Yes it has. Hope you've been well.

Yes I'm brother. Hope same too?

NeoWanZaeed:


Mention 1 religion in the world that's not worshiping human beings taken for their creator because of that human being supernatural powers

Ifa religion.

Majority of religions if not all don't worship human beings as creators.

Anaybira:


Do you believe all that you deemed to be in existence including the universe and the natural world has a creator?

No, I don't.

LordReed:


Well you didn't say anything that would convince a non believer. Saying Islam is Allah made is not convincing to someone who doesn't already believe.

It has been a while LordReed.

Anaybira:


Do you believe in creator?

Did you mean a creator God?

No, I don't.

NeoWanZaeed:

I thought you wanna learn. That's why I replied

Anyways, have it your way

Lol, what you said is what other religious people would say about their faith, you're not saying anything new or convincing, you're saying word of mouth sir.

NeoWanZaeed:


All other religions are man made. They are all worshipping a superhuman being.

It's only Islam that worships Allah alone. And Allah is never human being nor he has a child or daughter nor wife.

That alone is enough to embrace islam for someone that's sane in the mind.


Our basis of religion is not human being but our creator. Allah
It's him whom we worship

Islam is no different from every other "man-made" religion.

Hello to all my Muslim friends, it's been a while since I created a topic here. I hope you are all doing well.

I want to share that I'm still not convinced that Islam, or any theistic faith, is true since I left Islam, and I lack the belief in the existence of a supreme god or gods.

Best regards.

**I hope I'm not breaking any rules here.

terrezo2002:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Every nation, tribe and people know that there is one God. Only that majority do not know Him.
Atheists labour tirelessly trying to fight off the fact that there is God which doesn't go away from them. They get disappointed everyday with the voices in their minds that there is God. The knowledge that there is God has been infused into every human even from birth. Anyone trying to quench that knowledge is like you fighting yourself. It is only a fool that fights himself. That's why the Bible says a fool says in his heart, there is no God. Psalm 14:1

Every nation, tribe and people know that there is flying green monkey. Only that majority do not know Him.
Theists labour tirelessly trying to fight off the fact that there is flying monkey which doesn't go away from them. They get disappointed everyday with the voices in their minds that there is flying green monkey. The knowledge that there is flying monkey has been infused into every human even from birth. Anyone trying to quench that knowledge is like you fighting yourself. It is only a foöl that fights himself. That's why the holy Banable says a foöl says in his heart, there is no flying green monkey.


Well unless you can prove to me there's no flying green monkey.

JackBizzle:
Where are the OG homeboys?

Lanrexlan, Rilwayne01, sino, udatso, vedaxcool, tintingz, usermane, etc?

long time. Guess everyone is now old and busy. lol

Lol I'm not old abeg o.

Busy yes and I'm doing great, thanks for the shout-out.

This is still a practice in this 2022?!

GupbisFounder:
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Why not just stay in your lane if atheism and stop wandering in religion sections. I don't want to believe that you're trying to make people denounce their chosen faith to become one of you. Just saying respectfully.

So?

movado19:
I have come to see how the hunger and quest for knowledge - though in the line of materialism - by most of the west has made them delve into the world of the supernatural or spiritual by sheer curiosity and ambition.
They have come out of this ocean with all sorts of goodies and renamed/rebranded them with either scientific names or names that are adaptable/agreeable to the modern times.
With them, there doesn't seem to be any kind of intellectual shyness or knowledge gatekeeping to what can be learned and obtained.
They seem to be so steeped in the quest to seek and obtain; and to a very large extent, they have succeeded and are still succeeding.

Contrasting is the major mindset I see within the Islamic community not to exercise a high level of curiosity or employ deep and active thinking.
There seems to be so much secrecy and highly coded and metaphoric language around the spiritual/metaphysical/esoteric subjects that it becomes a fruitless exercise for the layman who wants to learn, to eventually give up in frustration.

This results in Muslims who are now hungry and ready to learn and because the West has a lot of what they have been looking for, they jump ship, absorb all that they are taught without vetting through the Quran, nor do they have a firm footing in Fiqh to discern such teachings as either in alignment or a departure from the path of Islam.

You have those who vehemently refuse to look into subjects because the Quran does not expressly call such subjects by a definite name, but then the same people sit with glazy, hypnotized eyes and rapt attention as the West or Non-Muslims - in the guise of experts - expound on and impart their "discovered knowledge" to them!
The same people defend their stance by saying that what they are learning is purely academic /scientific and without a hint of spirituality, lol!


I do not think that Allah will deny anyone the pleasure of KNOWING what it is that they seek, be it primarily stemmed from materialism or because it is a means to Know Him More.
Allah says:
"...then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and NONE SHALL BE DEALT WITH UNJUSTLY." - Q2:281

whatever efforts we make or put in shall be duly recompensed either in Duniya, Akhira, or both worlds.
No one will be denied what they seek because they are not of the Islamic faith...Allah is never partial.

There is a saying that:
"The hand which feeds your belly will eventually rule over you!"

Another saying goes thus:
"Your language can't be someone else's product and you are also the consumer" - Jaron Lanier.

Can you mention the things mentioned in the Quran or the supernatural things that are rebranded into scientific names?

You people are still seeing fairy beings?

apockollyno:

It’s not going here anymore

Use another browser, I think there's issue with Chrome.