What is all these arguments, @curiousmind thanks for your postings joo.

The miracles of today, what do we call them, they are of the occult, the unknown, things that happen contrary to the will of nature, that can not be explained scientifically is the occult.

I know some of you have been brain-washed by tales and by your religious leaders, your senses have been imprisoned for so long, you allow them to control even your thoughts. The bible says do not be confined, in these words but be transformed by it.

Please stop and think head, years ago in some churches that I attend, I was told that the 6th and 7th Book of Moses will make you go mad, but for more than 10 years now I have been reading, studying and practicing on this book, and I am still OK.

Some of them try to prevent you from knowing what they know, or rather don't know, knowledge is the key to existence, Apostle Paul said, try all spirits, then decide for yourself which one to follow.

Look, Fraternity, Occult, Witchcraft, Mysticism, have good and bad ones, just like Churches, Mosques, etc, have good and bad ones.

An example is the HERMETIC ORDER OF THE GOLDEN DAWN, this is one of the greatest and famous occult group to have emerged from the 19th century occult revivals, the Golden Dawn is described as a society of occultist studying the highest practical magick somewhat akin to Rosicrucianism they have members like S.L. MacGregor Mathers, A.E. Waite,the great Aleister Crowley, Israel Regardie etc.

I have read their books and even taking time to do some of their ceremonys, Like the LBRP (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram) etc.

Even one of their members published their teachings and their ceremonies,he was only taking to the court because upon the membership of society an oath was taken never to reveal the doctrines and practices of the group to the public.
And J. Langford Garstin(Golden Dawn member) begged him never again to refer to the Golden Dawn by name.

So you see the practices and ceremonies of the group is in bookshops all over the globe, get one, go through it, then judge. I for one practice these rituals and ceremonies on a daily basis and I am not a member of the Golden Dawn, I was not initiated, the beauty of this is that it is eclectic, as in you are allow to believe what ever you want to believe in, in the teachings of Jesus, Mohammed, in reincarnation, in yourself, in Osiris etc.

I think I can do that, I must have forgotten that would really be a nice thing to do, but there is only one thing that I would like you to do for me please, I need your heart and your right hand, please kindly donate it ,tanx.

Again I saw one car last week it was climbing and racing on all the walls,guess what, the most exciting thing is that the logo on the car was reading, thehomer thanks for inventing such a wonderful car, I know it was due to all your technological and scientific practices in your laboratory cheersssssssssssssss.

When I started magick it was for the fun, then when I got a little confident about what I can and can not do with magick, I started collecting money, even the owner of the spiritual shop that I get my supplys from, encouraged me to charge heavily,he will bring clients to me charge them and get his commission.

But after going a bit deeper into the art, I discovered that such powers are not meant for a means of livelihood, it is actually meant to help and to build yourself spiritually, to search for more insight and to know about the spiritual hierarchy, to search for the truth.

With magick i can get a good job, good job as in the type of job that will give me my own time to do other businesses, truth is since i left school I have never written an application, I get favors, as people just take me to places(Companys) and I just start working there.

Now I am working for a firm that I left 4 years ago, my boss had an accounting reconciliation problem, and decided to bring me back, with an increment on my salary.

So you see the art is not for making money, I can actually try to do 1 or 2 things that will attract a good job, a good salary, and happiness in my place of work.

@thehomer thanks for your answers, that was excellent, but tell me can you really prove to me that the world is
what do you call it similar to a sphere? I would really like to see that, from where did you see
the shape of the earth? or you saw it in the picture or on video or an object in your laboratory?
I bet you can not convince me that the earth is spherical except you show the earth to me.

Again will you show me or prove all these things to me,(greater than 65% of the surface of the earth is covered in water
indeed),prove it (The universe contains billions of galaxies) how did you know it is up to even one billion,and i presume you know
their shapes and names and even touched some of them,will you stop telling me what they teach you in school and made you to believe?
you have not seen any of these.

And I don't expect you to know these things i was only asking you, if I do those things, since
you believe in practical things if you will believe in them(Talisman,Pentacle,third eye)

I don't practice magick to make a dime, what i said is that I have a job,in fact I am being paid
salary by my employer and the nature of the business has nothing to do with my being a magician
I do most of the things i do for free,except it requires material that i don't have, and that is
very often.

So @thehomer my belief has got nothing to do with my business.

And come to think of it this is a religious forum what the hell are you doing here you should be in the
technology forum, and when i said believe i meant spiritual belief.

MODERATOOOOOOORRRRRRR THROOOOOWWW HIIIIIIIMMM OUUUTT OOOFF
HEERREE!

Honestly speaking you might ask yourself why do i ask some eccentric questions, but you must understand
that it is the very same way to me when you ask me those questions,just because either you are ignorant
of my belief or you just want to humor me on my beliefs.

what we are saying here is there are some mysterious things that happen within and around us
daily, like say dreams, it is hard to explain why or how we dream, those things are considered
as the occult in science,what can not be proved scientifically.

Now science have tried for centuries to disapprove the existence of gods, the have tried to give
logical reasons how humans came to existence,even tried to create man,but all these have been
nullified, and lately we say a caption(Unbelievable, Scientists discover heaven,pictures of streets
and angels were taking), those that mean that they now believe in heaven,angels of God?.

So my dear friend life itself is a mystery,and there are lots of mysterious things here and outside.

@thehomer, give examples of one or two of those things you know, that have been shown to be true or have good evidence supporting them.

If I prepare a pentacle for you that will influence your opening of your third eye, and it actually opens your third eye, will you believe in the power of talismans?

And I never told you the caliber of magician I am, and I can never place an hex on anybody,that was all a joke,but the truth is I never wanted you to believe me,even for a second,I never wanted to convert anybody to my belief,or for them to see what I see, am happy with my belief and it has helped me all the way,at least I have used it to help some people who are in need,without making a fortune from them, I have my own job, I do businesses, for it is from my office that I post to this forum.

So your not wanting to believe me has nothing to do with my beliefs and it will never will.

I see the plane, the mobile phone, the television and I wonder which of these you believe in, and if you believe in all this things how many have you tried doing, to prove that, what they said made up all these things are truly true?.

If you believe in technology, what have you tried to invent? Who have you tried to help with your belief?.

@thehomer, why don't you tell us what or who you believe in, and your reason for these beliefs, so we also can either question, debate or criticize your belief?.

Do this first and I will give answers to all your questions.

For as I notice through all your questionings you have a closed mind to the believe of others, especially your last question, it seems you don"t know how to criticize the little experiment so I said the first thing that came to your mind.

I have tried this and it worked perfectly well for me, if in doubt why don't you allow me to try it on you, say like place a jinx on you. LOL.

The Bible calls them wise men but truly they are kings, and princes of the fountain of light. and Their names are:

Caspar, Melchior, and Balthasar.

Blessed Be.

I am in my final gear to post a planetary/elemental magick in this forum all who are in support of this holla back.
In this thread we will be discussing Invocations/Evocations of entities mainly planetary and elemental, also how to make a talisman and its usage.

we will also discuss on the missing parts of the Bible, like what Jesus was doing for the 18 absent years he was never mentioned in the Bible, the Name of God, the ancient Hebrew Bible the Roman influence on the Bible, on the Talmud, the Quran and on witchcraft.

Then on magick of the future, astral projections, divination's etc.

So until that time see you all.
Blessed Be

@Sweetnecta,  Like I submitted I am not truly a man of religion my worship is based on practical evidences that I can carry out myself, as a magician, I have knowledge in the communications with superior beings, that is beings from other dimensions, like angels, intelligences,  elementals, etc.  God's Name can not be interpreted neither can it be changed, His name is one.

   There is a magickal word ARARITA pronounced (Ah-rah-ree-tah), it is a Notarikon, an abbreviation or acronym for a phrase in Hebrew, Pronounced:
    Eh-chahd Rash, Eh-chu-doh-toh Rash Ye-chu-doh-toh, Teh-mur-ah-toh Eh-chahd.    meaning:
    "One is God"s beginning, One principle is God's individuality, God permutation is One".

  The argument here is not what  Jesus Christ religion is, a messiah has the spiritual ability to embrace any and all religions, customs, traditions, and beliefs and to fuse them into one, that would be accepted at that particular period he is to reign on this mother earth, another can later in centuries, come in another form, to educate the world spiritually.

   Like I said my belief gave me and some other people the knowledge of Jesus Christ, believe me when a Spirit is invoked or evoked(I don't want to use the word angel because of people thinking I want to sound holy,for angels are also spirits) and the spirit is questioned about Jesus Christ his response is always very shocking.
   And to me that proves that Jesus Christ is more than just a prophet.

  Now if we are to discuss on which religion is better, you will be shocked to know some mysterious things about all this Muslim, Christian, pagan etc. their barbaric nature and things that they have being involved in from their introduction to this mother earth. Let us open our heart to feel and hear wisdom to see the luminous energies that this universe presents, just because we are all confined in religious words, we are too stiff to turn around to see truth,light, and ourselves.

 Jesus Christ is not claiming right or ownership of any religion or sect, so also Mohammad or Buddha, or Krishna, we mortals that can not see further than our nose invented this religious feud just to prove our superiority, and to me that is all bullshit(Sorry),

 When Jesus was asked which of the commandments given to the Jews by God through Moses He answered, "Love your God with your whole heart , and love thy neighbor as thyself",   He did not say love my God, or love Jehovah or love Allah, but love the God you serve and also your neighbor.

Believe me all what we die and argue for now, we don't even know,we base all our facts on books written millions or thousands, or hundreds of years back and these knowledge were forced on us for one reason or the other, like King Solomon said "who has knowledge of things past"?, none, so stop wallowing in things you can not even prove and die for it because you think it is true.

Tell me when the missionaries came to Nigeria they saw the slave trade,instead of preaching against that, they were busy injecting their religions on our already weak spirits, who dear to protest their religion?.

 Muslims, Christians, wake up, be practical for once, try to accept things you know not, welcome alterations and transitions, because to the best of my knowledge this two religions are killing the earth.


 Hence WHO or WHAT do you believe in JOOOOOOOOOOOO.?

@thehomer,
I can say nothing about these other books cos I don't know much about they,but I do
know that God's wisdom is ever on the move,just like energy(Physics) it transfers from one
place or person to the other,through the help of His servant the Angels,they the angels transmits
these forces to the earth for mankind to absorb,it now depend on at that particular time who is
available spiritually to receive these.

So those other books might also be an inspiration from God,at a particular time and event,
event as in what was actually happening in that era.

Like I said earlier, I have put a lot things I learnt into practice, so if i say some things,I am
saying it with the knowledge and experiences that I have acquired, Things of the spirit can not be
understood by mortals especially the undeveloped soul, spiritually anything is possible.
For there are some forces,powers,energies that we can't comprehended, so with GOD it is
child's play to bring about the manifestations of this, Himself being a father to Jesus and Mary being the mother.

Now for you last question if i can please present this practical evidence that I have supporting
these beliefs? Yes
I will now kill 2 birds with a throw,thus explaining how God can father Jesus Christ with
Mary being the Mother with practical evidences.

I can create an artificial entity, put it in a containment to live there for some period of time
then after its job is complete it will disperse at its on will without causing hurt or harm to no
one.
Now I would like to create an artificial elemental of say, water, to help in healing of a friend
for the element water is also for healing among other things,like love.

An artificial elemental is something which you, by force of will and magickal techniques create
to do your will,in a sense this is a type of invocation.
An artificial elemental combines the force of a particular element,with a will or direction created by yourself
it has a type of rudimentary consciousness or sense of purpose,this is what you instill.
Much as a cruise missile will move around objects in order to find its target,so too this entity
discovers ways to achieve the goal you give it.

This means that the amount of elemental energy you give it may not be enough or equal to
the task you assign to it so it will not succeed its goal, if you give it too much elemental
energy than it needs, and do not tell it how to discharge that excess energy, once the goal has been achieved
the artificial elemental can become an unthinking(sometimes uncontrollable) elemental force,
sending out its undirected energy at anything anyone including its creator.

TO CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL ELEMENTAL

First decide on the purpose of and do a divination by means of the tarot card or pendulum dowsing
to determine the outcome

Then Imagine that you are the element which you wish to form, in this case water,into an
artificial elemental,you will meditate or visualize on the qualities of water as in wet,damp,
cool etc, take the form of water,see yourself as water.
Then hold your hands nine to twelve inches apart, palms facing each other, now imagine a
box between your hands.

Next as you exhale,visualize all the element you are working with going out with you breathe
and being trapped inside the imaginary box between your hands, do this until the container is
literally bursting with energy.

Take your hands away and let the container float in front of you, pick up the tool associated
with the element,with which you are working,put the end of the tool against the visualized
container: SAY:-
"I HEREBY NAME THEE, GO THOU AND DO (SUCH AND SUCH)
WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLETED THIS TASK BY (DATE & TIME),THEN
DISPERSE NONETHELESS AND REUNITE WITH(NAME OF ELEMENT),
EVERYWHERE AND HARM NONE ON YOUR WAY"
SO MOTE IT BE!
BE ON THY WAY!

Ceremony closed.
NOTE: I did purposefully refuse to give the preliminary and opening rituals that will
merge the consciousness and subconsciousness, the higher and the lower, the seen and the unseen
to unite before a change can take place.

So with these you can now see how I can transfer energy or force from myself into a containment
and make it a living entity to do what I please,that entity is my force power in the astral
representing my will,it is literally my child.

All I am trying to explain is that Jesus Christ was a force directly from God Almighty and
the containment He chooses is Mary the earthly mother of Jesus

With these I believe I have answered two of your last questions.

It is only that the ones that tag themselves Christians don't know this practical things so they
try as hard as possible to explain it to people

But @Jenwitemi,@deep sight, can't we start a topic for pagans,mysticism, and magick?

I have great interest in these.

@thehomer,
Spiritually speaking, and with regards to various studies of religions,beliefs,traditions,and histories, the Bible was really an inspiration from God, but it had been altered in ways that you sometimes wonder, which of the original writings still remains, we all know that part of the old testaments are the history and traditions of the Jews, but most of the traditions were actually removed,and some of these are inside the Quran.

Now lets get somewhere, when you say, if I believe that the Christian Bible is the word of this God, truth is yes and no, yes because,part of the Christian Bible was words that God actually inspired and no, cos part of it was written as history.

Again you asked if Jesus Christ is the son of this God, it all depend on what you mean by son, for Christ is a messiah, and this God has a role in the worldly manifestation of this Christ, so if God is not His father, for the fact that He sent Christ for this role, as his representation in human form, to my opinion He is GOD's son.

But the issue now is let people come out and tell us what the believe in,instead of criticizing others belief, like i said i am a magician and that is what i practice, in theory and practical, I am into Planetary,Elementary,Talismanic magick and also into Invocation,Evocations and Wicca.

And I believe in The one true God, and His Son Jesus Christ,for I have practical evidences to support this beliefs cos they God Almighty,the Yod Heh Vawv Heh, and His Son Yod Heh Shin Vawv Heh, actually exist. for through the Angels of the Lord, God powers are made manifested on this earth and Jesus Christ is the mediator of all celestial beings and their movements to and from the earth.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I can't agree less, but it still comes down to you believing first.
For what make you believe in that particular being or thing, Is there a proving evidence you experienced that made you believe in that?, or rather your upbringing.

The truth is that we don't know the truth,we keep searching and make belief that we are on the right course,but we keep our mind and soul imprisoned, closed, and confined to these beliefs, that we don't allow an ounce of external influence or another reasoning be accepted by us.

Tell you this, there was a day some Jehovah Witnesses, came to share the word with me, I asked the lady a question thus: "If a witch-doctor,comes into the room now with his full worshiping costume, and sit down next to you, what will you do"?.

She answered that she will leave the sit for the witch-doctor. , disgusting,

To say the fact religion is the main problem of the society today. I don't believe in any religion, I am plainly a magician, and I seek to know in my little wisdom some ways of the Divine.

A lot of people believe in diverse things or beings, Some believe that There is a God that created the whole world,
and the He have a son called Jesus.

Some believe in a God named Allah, and in his prophet Mohammad.

Some believe in reincarnation

Some believe in themselves.

Me for one I believe that there is an eternal and Infinite being, that created all and His is the Divine, And that Jesus is the true messiah, but I am not a Christian, I don't believe all those things that them Christians believe in.
That only Christians will inherit the earth or go to heaven, or that Christainity is the best religion.

God does not matter Himself on religion.

So WHO or WHAT do you BELIEVE IN.

Now to the main topic, God is divine and we can not use any word to qualify
divinity,for He is Holy, divinity is everything,so we can't say that God is a Man or
a woman, He is both and much more, He is neither black nor white, You can
not define God in any ramification, He is all.

A merciful God does not have the righteous severity of being just, that is absolutely impossible.

So as soon as we put any quality upon divinity we limit the source of All, a divinity
which is limited can not be the ultimate divinity.

Again please, let us not mention or argue much on the words written in the bible, except
you can translate the ancient Hebrew bible written in the old Hebrew language
(Aramaic) then only you can understand it perfectly, because the Bible is a translation,of a translation
of a translation.

And originally the bible was compiled by a pagan(the roman emperor) Constantine,
he selected wise men of his own knowledge,to compile the bible,to suit the then Roman Empire
that was why, they changed the sabbath day to Sunday,for that was the day the Romans worship
their god Apollo(god of the sun).

If you argue things based on the bible,you might just be wrong.
Just follow you spirit, God has created everything inside you, like Alester Crowley
always say, "There is no part of my that is not in the gods".

Bye.

Hello, we need not argue on what we no not, according to the Bible Jesus said
"I tell you things of the world and you don't understand, how much more if I tell you
Things of the spiritual". (Some mostly my words).

Now the things of the spirit can not be dared in any way cos we can't understand it, let
the spirits take care of themselves, and don't let us slander celestial beings, for nobody know GOD.

I have always heard from the so called christains (So called cos they are not Christ like) Christ means messiah,
Are they messiahs, they are all practicing to be like Christ which they can never be.
Like I was saying, the so called Christians say I know my God, my friend you can not know God, for He is divine
In the book of Isaiah 55, Isaiah wrote "My ways are not your ways neither are my thought you thoughts
For as the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways higher than yours" etc.

So tell me you understand the ways of God?[b][/b]