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Religion / Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 12:31pm On Apr 04, 2015 |
davinero:your life will never remain the same, after reading it. Please manage to do that! |
Religion / Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 12:28pm On Apr 04, 2015 |
midasbliss:i believe it will do you good, if u can manage to read it all, and also meditate on those words. |
Religion / If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:21am On Apr 04, 2015 |
I will need to brush over some basics before entering the main thing. I can explain this topic in many ways, but i think the points below should be enough to let you see the light. Please pardon my English because i am not a motivated writer. It may be a little bit long, but please read it with a free mind. (if u are smart, and can meditate on those words, then you will see things beyond this topic) It pains me a lot whenever i go to any social site , and see threads and comments supporting the payment of tithe and first fruit. I think some people find it difficult to study the bible in a contextual manner. Some things were said, based on the situation of a time/period. It takes an intelligent student of the bible (after studying from genesis to revelation) to understand the message of the bible. The bible will show you lapses/deficiencies in the life without Christ. You will see prophecies about Jesus' sufferings and the glory that should follow (2peter10:11). Being born of God was pleaded for by David in psalm51 (even though some so called Christians still sing these today) . God made a promise to do it in Ezekiel36:26,27. Jesus promised to fulfill it in john14:16. Romans15:8 said it is now fulfilled in Christ. You should be able to differentiate the above events in time, and the answer to them all is Jesus. Jesus is the message, and the word of God in the bible, and all the prophets wrote of him, according to luke24:25-27, luke18:31, luke24:44, john5:39, etc. That is why we need to study wisely to rightly divide the word of truth (2timothy2:15). If u claim you read the book of psalm and Isaiah, and you could not see Jesus in those writings, then you read mere letters. Jesus said in john5:39 that Moses wrote of him. but the Pharisees and Sadducees which were gurus in the laws of Moses could not comprehend, and solve out Jesus from those writings, which led to them questioning his(Jesus) teachings. To be frank, many so called Christians today are still battling with this demonic ignoramus. Now let us begin the proper settings of the writings of Moses in the light of Jesus. If the moral laws of Moses were giving by God to MEN, for people to perfect, and become righteous, then why did he give another alternative law that set up a practice of yearly sin sacrifice, for sin cover up?. Why should i give you a pencil to write, with instruction not to make mistake in your writings, and then provide a temporary eraser for you again, to clean your errors yearly ?. "galatian2:16 says that nobody can be righteous by the works of law, but by faith in Christ". Did God lie for not telling Moses that only faith in the gospel of Jesus produces righteousness ?. Jesus said in Mathew5:17 that he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Does that mean that Jesus is the answer to all the requirements of the law ?. Till date, the bible never gave account of a single person that attain righteousness through the law. I never said the law is against the promises of God, but the reality is that it cannot produce righteousness (galatian3:21) . verse 23 says " But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. verse 24 says " WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH" Even Abraham was not justified by the works of the law (romans4). Go to my other thread to see reasons why Christians must chase practical righteousness on earth ( not for the sake of self righteousness). Romans10:4 says "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believe". . . The laws, including the practice of those sacrifices which they offered year after year then were all shadows of Jesus Christ, and could not make them comers unto perfection (hebrews10:1). Please sincerely answer these question. was there a day you taught you were righteous to God in the past ?. Are u righteous to God at moment ?. Will there be a day in the future that u can confidently be sure that God sees you as righteous ?. If your answers for the above are no, then you are practicing and worshiping shadows of Christian. you need to come unto the knowledge of the truth, and believe in the true gospel of Jesus (the realities of Christianity). stop leaving on shadows (things that are not real), because Christianity is real than what you can imagine. If you the preacher is not sure on where you will end up when you die, then what will be the faith of the people you are preaching to ? All the earthly players in the actualization of the yearly sacrifices in old testament, symbolizes Jesus. How ?. Let me quickly highlight the design in the practice of the sin sacrifice done yearly in old testament, and also see the cause/need for the payment of tithe and first fruit. 1). TABERNACLE: It is a building housing the spirit of God. 2). LEVITES: They are full-time workers in the tabernacle (house of God). to minister in the name of God. They are commanded by the law not to work, and the law also commanded people to pay tithe and first-fruit to God in the temple, in other to meet the needs of the tabernacle workers (i.e Levites) financially (numbers 18:21-24, malachi3:9-10 .......). 3). HIGH-PRIEST: It is the mediator between them and God. He can only carry out the sacrifice. 4). GOAT, AND ITS BLOOD: Read leveticus3:2 to know how they were used. Glory be to Jesus, for manifesting the reality in the above players involved in the act of sin sacrifice (done yearly in old testament), by fulfilling all in us, through his death and resurrection. OUR BODY IS NOW THE TABERNACLE, BECAUSE WE NOW HOUSE THE SPIRIT OF GOD (1CORINTIAN3:16). JESUS IS NOW THE GREATEST AND THE REAL HIGH-PRIEST (HEBREWS10:12, HEBREWS9:12, HEBREWS:15), LIVING IN OUR BODY (GALATIAN2:30). COLOSIAN1:27 ALSO SAYS CHRIST IS IN YOU. THAT SAME JESUS IN US IS STILL THE GOAT AND THE BLOOD OF ANIMALS OFFERED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT DURING SIN SACRIFICE (ACCORDING TO HEBREWS4:14, HEBREWS2:17)[/i]. . Every purposes that made God to demand tithe and first fruit from people has now been accomplished/solved by Jesus, and are now gunners JESUS IS NOW AT THE CENTER OF IT ALL. HE SINGLE HANDEDLY FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN US. THAT IS WHY HE IS ABLE TO SAVE ETERNALLY, BECAUSE THE ACT (REAL DESIGN) OF SIN SACRIFICE IS NOW ALWAYS AT WORK IN US (HEBREWS7:25, 1JOHN2:1-2, EPHESIAN1:13), AND THAT MADE IT PERFECT. [i] My body is now the house of God, and if i have to pay tithe and first fruit, then i will be the collector. Jesus has made my body to run all the services of the players (like Levites, high-priest, sacrificial goat and its blood) involved in the practice of sin sacrifice in old testament, and Jesus is now the reality of it all in me. Jesus told a Samaria woman in john4 that a time will come that you shall no more worship God in this mountain anymore, but true believers shall now worship God in spirit and in truth. Some gullible Christians today still go to church with the mentality that God can only be located at church building (they still see church building as a terbanacle). You will see them rolling on the floor, at the church altar. Some fox may now ask that, "does that mean that a church is not a house of God" ?. A church will not be different from a mere building if it lacks the presence and the identification of the sons of God. That made us the church, and the owner of our tithes and first fruits. A church is a place where Christians gather to worship God together, and learn more about Jesus. We also know more about ourselves, and tend to form a family. We contribute financially in church, in aider to aid the spread of the gospel of Jesus. God gave some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelist, and some pastors, and some teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of ministry, and for the edifying of the body of Christ (ephesians4:11-12). Neither the pastor, nor the evangelist is our high-priest or Levite or sacrificial goat or stock house of God, but our bodies now possess all . SOME MAY NOW ASK," HOW WILL YOU NOW BECOME RICH IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHE (THEY WILL BE QUICK TO QUOTING MALACHI3)" ?. . If you must pay a tithe to a believer in the congregation of believers before you can be rich, then all the rich people in the world must be Christians. If you must pay first fruit, and tithe to a son of God in the congregation of the sons of God before you can be rich, then all tithe payers must be rich by now (experience can only be the best teacher of people here). After collecting the tithe money and praying for you, they will now start preaching the gospel/reality of material prosperity to you, by telling you to find a passion, vision and strategist for the execution. If we Christians ever need the help of God in one way or the other, to be rich materially, then it must be freely giving to us in Christ. Romans8:32 says "he that spared not his own Son, but delivered up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things ? ".......................... We receive freely from God, by faith in Christ! SOME FOX MAY EVEN SAY, "HOW WILL YOU THEN MAKE HEAVEN IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TITHE" ?.. I still have not found a verse that says you must pay tithe to another believer, for you to be saved. Popularly known verse john3:16 says "for God so love the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have an everlasting life". Romans10:9-10 says if you confess the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from death, thou shall be saved. God spoke to Simon peter, and peter went to Cornelius in act10:1-48 to preach Jesus to him. He never included tithe and first fruit payments in the preaching of Christ to Cornelius, because we are free from the depth of tithe in Christ. Salvation in Christ is free. To my greatest surprised, many of these pastors that included the payments of tithe and first fruit into the gospel of Jesus know the truth. I recently had an emotional discussion with one of those pastors. Initially, he disguised that it was right, but after my intense teaching from the bible, he now confessed and said " how will we pastors eat, if we don't preach the payment of tithe and first fruit ?" 2 Likes |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 1:05pm On Apr 03, 2015 |
McSterling:did u revalidate or register as fresh ?. Things like signature cannot should not have effect on your mobilization status, since you have your call-up no. We all took it serious, and gave it element of douth on our mobilization status, since it was showing no valid signature. Since yours has stoped showing without your influence, then the cause of the little element of douth has been defeated. You will manually sign on your printed green card in camp. Cheers! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 11:55am On Apr 03, 2015 |
McSterling:no..... You are free to go! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 10:37am On Apr 03, 2015 |
Good morning my fellow corpers to be. Hope u all had a splendid night rest! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 8:26pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:the 5k is already incuded in the total fee of those that want to partake in the convocation ceremony. If u dont want to partake, then you will single handedly pay the 5k certificate fee alone. Cheers! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 8:19pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
femolala001:you will go to your departmental office to collect the clearance form. Fill your part in the form, take it to each lab in your department for attestation by each lab attendant that you did not spoil anything. You will also take it to library, bustory, and medical centre for the same purpose as stated above. You will then take it to your faculty for attestation, and then finally return it to your department. Note: I might not be 80% correct! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:48pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
femolala001:for your certificate to be giving to you, you must pay the 5k certificate fee, alumni fee of 2k and must have completed your schl clearance. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:38pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:yes of cos. I finished from faculty of science, physis department. I like that your course. You must be a guru in calculation (eg calculus). |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:27pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
leemah4u:definately before may 5. It will soon be out, anytime before this month ends. Cheers! 1 Like |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:21pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
femolala001:go to your department, faculty or dsa. They will provide leter of identification for you, or even tell you the quick procedures to get another id card b4 may 5. I was giving one health id card during year 4, do you have that with u ?. My faculty also issued out another schl id card for us in year 4(which made me to have 2 schl id cards now). |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:10pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:it was shifted due to the postponement of the election... The convocation will end at most may 3rd. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 7:02pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:applied physics science. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 6:19pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:a lecturer in my department that i spoke to said the convocation will commence between end of april and early may . I will get back to you later on the major dates. Which department did you graduate from ? |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 6:05pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
clans:you are welcome! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 5:50pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
leemah4u:statement of result will be giving to everybody, irrespective of you doing clearance or not, but you must complete your clearance before your certificate can be issued out. statement of result is only needed at nysc camp. You can even decide to start your clearance after the completion of your nysc program (the choice is yours). GREATEST AKOKITE...... |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 12:08pm On Apr 01, 2015 |
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NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 10:21pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
sofdoc:090.... My popular name is jasper! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 10:17pm On Mar 30, 2015 |
sofdoc:090.... People call me jasper! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 8:17pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
sofdoc:wao. I also finished from physics department (unilag). |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 2:35pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
happy Sunday to you all. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 4:42pm On Mar 15, 2015 |
Luchiana1:for what ?. We cant be asked to bring it! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 5:50pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
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NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 5:13pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
Owliver:i think you are very correct. How can people believe that god is behind of every activities of men on earth ?. If yes, then men are created as robot from the begining, but we are created to make choices. Some people will be rich, while some will be poor till they die, simply because, that is how we designed it to be. The fact some people are born into a family with superior chances of becoming rich, should not make u think that god destined the people that will die in that poor state cathegory, because it is at the end we can tell. Everybody is accountable for his/her life. If you fail (god forbit) at the end of the day, then dont blame any destiny that is not real, but be quick and bold to blame yourselve. |
Crime / Re: Angry Mob Cut A Woman’s bosom In Calabar Because She Stole (graphic Photo) by tunde4top(m): 4:07pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DAIL:God is the god (owner) of the earth, while devil is the god (owner) of the world (activities on earth). The devil does that by working through the minds of people (unbelievers) . |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 12:19pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
erisegun:i am still on my way to cover and read through the nos of pages i have mised. I greet everybody in the house. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 12:10pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
Jusome:efiko and guru clement. You are welcome bro. Great physisist. |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 11:25am On Mar 14, 2015 |
credibleq:statement of result is certain and sure to be ready before may 5 (because it is needed in camp), while certificate or convocation does not have effect in camp, or during your service year. You dont need the completion of clearance b4 your statement of result will be giving, but u need it b4 certificate can be released. The main thing needed from sch for nysc is statement of result, and is not attached to clearance, convocation and certificate. You can start your clearance anytime (even after the completion of your nysc program). The choice is yours, and then, your certicate will be delivered to you. Remain blessed! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 9:50am On Mar 14, 2015 |
femolala001:the certificate fee has always been 5k (i dont expect it to change this year also), and the alumni levy fee is 2k. Cheers! |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 9:34am On Mar 14, 2015 |
chidexSmokey:a lecturer in my department told a friend of mine that the convocation has been postponed to end of april/early may, based on the outcome of the meeting they did, due to election postponemen. But i am yet to see any official news on that (on schl website). we are still not allowed to start clearing in my department. They said they will release the form to us, after convocation. 1 Like |
NYSC / Re: Nysc 2015 Batch A by tunde4top(m): 10:18pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
doublezero7:thanks! |
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