OredoPikin:



Rema is from igbanke but brought up in
Ekehuan is where dey stay. thats not their place of origin

He is not from Igbanke, there is no proof anywhere that he is from Igbanke, i have not heard it anywhere myself in Benin except by some few unenllightened Igbo people online and i will prove it. Johnnydrille stayed in Benin uptill he left for Lagos, i am very certain you don’t know his village, he is certainly from one of the hundreds of Benin speaking settlements or villages surrounding Benin city. Goya amenor, Sarz on the beat-Osabuohien Osaretin. I grew up in Benin but myself i am from another village in the western section of Benin


60% of Binis are not from Benin city,we have other Bini speaking towns and villages where we hail from Okada, Iguobazuwa, etc Igbinedion is from Okada, and not from Benin city, so with many other Musicians in Benin and other Basic people. The argument that becuase he grew up in Benin city and he is not from Benin city means he is from Igbanke, when there are others Bini speaking settlements surrounding Bini he could have come from, shows there is no substance to it.


The Very Place this nonsense started online was from one Boy called chinasa Nworu. He said that Rema is from Igbanke, his premise is that the Name Ikubor which is a proper Bini name and goes along with other names in Benin like Isibor, Irabor, Edobor, Idubor, Asabor,Igunbor etc is Igbo and is borne in Abia, Ebonyi, etc. even though i have checked online and found no Igboman with the name. It is a known fact that any other group bearing these names aside the Bini people of course who majorly beat it and from whom it originated from that seem to affiliated with Igbo are Agbor people. These names they do not know the meaning and cannot interpret. These names found a way into their language as a result of the strong proximity they have with the Bini people. And because a Bini town called Oza nogogo whose dialect is considered by all linguistic scholars that have studied it to be a dialect of the Bini language is quite right in their midst.

You can notice a pattern with them, They tend to claim most of Binis biggest men. That is how they started with Idahosa, the name “Idahosa ” can only be interpreted in Benin. He only identified with Benin and was so proud of his Benin identity up till he died.

The most renowned, if not that Igbinedion was so pronounced with his community and even gave it a facelift, they would have also claim he is from Igbanke.

The only person that is certain to be from Igbanke is Boyspyce owing to his name Osemeke which is not intelligible in Benin even though the mother is from Oza-nogogo a Bini town in Delta state.


The page on twitter “Ika history and culture” has made 422 post on twitter, none of it did they mention Rema who is far bigger than Boyspyce as an Igbanke man and in extension an Ika man. they must have done their research and found it untrue, that is boyspyce on their page for clout purposes which Rema would have been better for

This is not taking from your point that Igbanke is Bini. It is only buttressing the fact that there is no substance he is from Igbanke.

The first bitter Igbo speaker in First page said Shallipopi forced him to come to Benin. Maybe Shallipopi also forced him to wear the Idia mask at O2 arena. Or Shallipopi also forced him to be displaying culture that is akin to bat that can be seen at ring road in Benin. He is a Bini boy and a proud one at that

scholes0:


But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one.

There is nothing like if, it is not an uncommon scenario anywhere in the world,French and Italian have 89% lexical similarities but only have partial mutual intelligibility and are regarded as separate languages and people.

With the 91% lexical similarities between Esan and Benin. That is why they are regarded as one of the very few languages in Africa and the world that are said to be mutually intelligible

BlueIvy04:
I was wondering to which degree the various edoid languages were mutually intelligible to each other. This including languages like Edo/Benin, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako/Afemai, Isoko, Ivbiosakon, Okpamheri etc. For example, can an Edo/Benin speaker understand an Urhobo speaker with 95% accuracy, 50% accuracy or 0% accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOKsGupT2bY?si=chLJmPfOCYLWHJG7

This is Pedro obaseki’s take above on the linguistic relationship between Esan and Bini. Time stamp 8:30-9:20.

This is an excerpt from Hans melzian dictionary below, it was published in 1937, she described Esan as a dialects of Bini.

Frankly from 1-100, there is really no difference in numbers in Esan and Bini. Just that in Esan, numbers like 90 might be igbe yan iyene but with Bini it will be Ekigbe-iyisen. The meaning for both is 10+80 for the Esan and 100-10 for the Binis. But the wordings are intelligible to both groups

In the international journal of language and linguistics, an article was written by Omozuwa victor Edosa and Ikhiwmin Gladys Amenze titled “Alternation of Lenis and Fortis consonants in Edo and Esan as indicators of a dynamic sound change in Edo” page 54 Okojie was quoted to have said “even among present day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult, but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn Bini before understanding it

BlueIvy04:
I was wondering to which degree the various edoid languages were mutually intelligible to each other. This including languages like Edo/Benin, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako/Afemai, Isoko, Ivbiosakon, Okpamheri etc. For example, can an Edo/Benin speaker understand an Urhobo speaker with 95% accuracy, 50% accuracy or 0% accuracy.

in Peter Ekeh’s work, contesting the history of Benin in page 167 of an article in research in African literature, he described Esan and Benin as approximately mutually intelligible,

Bradbury in page 14 of his book, “the Benin kingdom and the Edo speaking people of south western Nigeria” he stated and i quote “The dialects of Ishan and the southern parts of Ivbiosakon seem most closely akin to Edo proper, while mutual intelligibility with the latter diminishes towards the northern boundaries of Edo speaking territory”. If you check page 84, you will find out the ivbiosakon are the Owan people in the southern part of the ivbiosakon territory. The Owan people basically consist of Emai-Ora-Luleha dialect cluster.

Buttressing Bradbury’s point above, Ben Ohiomamhe Elugbe in his work comparative Edoid: phonology and lexicon describes these languages or dialects (Bini,Esan,Owan) as “the languages of the central plain where there is relative homogeneity.”

Bini, Esan, Owan, Ghotuo, Yekhee, Uneme make up the north-central Edoid group of languages. There are two sub-branches in this branch of north central Edoid. One branch is made up of Bini, Esan and Ora-Emai-Luleha dialects clusters which are regarded as the languages of the central plain where there is relative homogeneity. While the other sub-branch of North-central Edoid consists of Ghotuo, Yekhee, Uneme.


What this means is that the closest Edoid language to Bini is Esan, then followed by Owan. What this portends is even though Etsako and Owan are both in Edo north. Owan would understand Benin better than Etsako. What this also portends for these languages is that even though Ghotuo or Otuo identify as Owan because of their proximity and cultural affinity to other traditional Owan groups like Ora-Emai-Luleha, the linguistic reality states that traditional Owan groups such as Ora-Emai-Luleha lean more linguistically to Benin and Esan than to Ghotuo or Otuo who they share the same ethnic umbrella with collectively as Owan.

darfay:



Your moniker sounds uvwie, shouldn't they speak for themselves?

linguistically, he is correct, Urhobo,Okpe,Isoko,Eruwa,Uvwie are separate distinct languages according to linguistic scholars that belong to southwestern Edoid branch of the proto Edoid group. Identification is another thing, whatever they choose to identify as is different from linguistic reality

spencekat:
These are opposite of what I asked.Did they have impressive CV before mounting the saddle of leadership?

Yes o.let’s peruse their cv.

Buhari for example is a military technocrat, one that rose to the height of a major general in the Nigerian army,

Tinubu on the other hand, is said to have graduated from Chicago state university and read Business administration, he is said to have worked at Exxon Mobil, and several other big corporations

Yahaya Bello on the other hand studied accounting and Business Administration at Ahmadu Bello University . He received a master of Business Administration from this same university in 2002.

Wike on the other hand read law at rivers state university, graduated and became masters of agberos in rivers state

spencekat:
Translates in Nigeria?Give four examples in the near or present political terrain.

Tinubu, Buhari, Yahaya Bello wike

spencekat:
But most times, impressive CV does not translate into good leadership.

It translates most times, unimpressive Cv and a life fully within the confines of politics translates into endless looting