When are they nailing Elisha Goodman?

ElCount:
You misunderstand me, I am not being bias. Anyone who says grace is NOT unmerited favor is wrong (the OP needs to correct the title of the thread).
What am saying is that in a bid to define Grace and you JUST say Grace is unmerited favor and you END there seems to over-simplify it because Grace is more than JUST unmerited favor.
You gave an example with Jesus. Jesus is indeed the Lamb of God but He is not only the Lamb of God. Defining Him as that ALONE means that you re not truly acknowledging His Grandeur, Greatness, etc in its TOTALITY. That's what I mean with regards to Grace.
Read my first post

Who said you 'end there'?
When Jesus is called lamb of God, it does not 'just END there', that's specific for that purpose. In short, if the phrase does not encompass all there is to Grace, this does not automatically translate in the phrase being wrong, nor does it 'over-simplify' nothing. Point is you are barking at the wrong tree

Scholar8200:

No, I cant recall the Spirit or my conscience bearing witness to the contrary.

When last do you recall Spirit or your conscience bearing witness to your sinning?

Scholar8200:
This is where I stand:
We are saved by faith NOT works. However, a proof of that faith is a life of good works else that faith is a hoax

The work here referred to is what Paul described as the work of faith:

In another place he says faith worketh by love! Galatians 5:6b

In fact, Grace purifies us and makes us zealous of good works (Titus 2:11-14) hence he who truly receives Grace will have these evidences except he is a reprobate:

Have you sinned today Scholar8200?

MizyB:



hello Mr vooks why ask for the Holy spirit? Going by the account of Eph1:13 i kinda think its an automatic thing; open your heart to believe on the Lord Jesus, and you have the Holy spirit instantly in you.

Tell me what Jesus was talking about in that verse.

MuttleyLaff has said it all.
What I can add is salvation is wrought by the Spirit of God. The WORK of joining a forgiven sinner to the body of Christ is wrought by the Spirit. In this regard, every believer has Holy Spirit in them

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

On top of this work, the Spirit is said to be a deposit, a surety of our inheritance as you said in Ephesians 1:14.

But what persuades me that there is a need for continuous filling is the following;

[size=18pt]1. In Acts, the disciples were filled with the Spirit anew AFTER Pentecost.[/size]
Acts 4:31 (KJV)
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

The same group of whom it is said
Acts 2:4 (KJV)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

I consider it to be analogous to recharging. Just as we constantly pray to recharge, the filling is continuous. Note the second instance was not manifested by spiritual gifts, just boldness to be witnesses. This equips us for daily living

[size=18pt]2. Paul counsels or rather instructs us to be filled[/size]
Acts 5:18 (KJV)
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Remember he is writing to believers, who are already Spirit filled as you pointed, who have Holy Spirit as a seal/guarantee of their inheritance. If he is talking about the same thing, this is redundant as much as is telling someone who has just showered to take get wet.

This is what I believe every child of God should desire, a Spirit filled life. It is not historical but continuous. And this is what I believe Jesus is telling us that the Father is more than eager to give us.

I find it curious that Paul considers this experience or life a substitute for drunkenness. The reason for this I believe is because there are similarities between the two. In both, one loses/cedes control of their faculties. I desire and pray that all of us may be filled anew in Jesus name

Cc
eniigmar

ElCount:
Not in doubt about grace being unmerited favor, but defining it as that alone over-simplifies it, that's what am saying

'Over-simplifies' is a figment of your bias. Jesus Christ is several things including 'holy child'. You can't pick needless fights with any of His his offices because it does not cover something else. For instance the phrase 'Lamb of God' does not cover His deity. Does the phrase 'over-simplify' Jesus?

Similarly, Grace is Unmerited Favor is complete and it communicates whatever it does succinctly. It is just a phrase, a profound one. If you have a better definition you would do well to give us.

If there is a misconception of what Grace entails, it certainly is due to ignorance, and not due to Grace is Unmerited Favor. This is why fighting the truth communicated by the phrase in the name of correcting this ignorance is unwise.

ubiR:
Pls nairalanders, I need genuine and sincere solution. My hubby and I moved into a new apartment last year September. The place was under going reconstruction when we paid and the agent told us within three weeks it will be completed. NB: we searched for a place for months before we found this one and due to we didn't want to renew our rent in the old place, we had to move out. After 3weeks the place had not been finished and the agent started telling us stories even the flat had outstanding bill of which he told us he was on his way to pay. (Our fault was that we believed him as a very close friend of ours directed us to the place) we forceful moved into the place to avoid stories that touches the heart although by then we had started requesting they gave us back our money, of which was futile.
Up until now, this people haven't paid the outstanding bill of 261k. Prepaid meter has been brought to us and immediately the unit given finishes we are in darkness. Am due to deliver soon and I need the light seriously. We are hearing that the landlady abandoned the building and so tenants don't pay rent and she will ask them to leave without paying up, although before we moved in we asked around and they said the lady doesn't have any problem but now we hear stories about her. The light issue isn't peculiar to us alone, as two more people have paid but one hasn't moved in since Nov cos of the light issue and they don't want to pay them back their money. Pls what do experts here advice we do? tnks

Common sense 101
1. Don't move into an incomplete dig imagining it will be completed ONCE you get in
2. Should you be compelled to flout rule #1, ensure you can live with the unfinished job
3. To answer your question, they are mean so they can provoke you to think and get your own place
4. Nairaland is full of strangers, get a friendly shoulder to cry on, crying in public is bad manners
5. Stay blessed

Scholar8200:
Very Good!!! This summarises the thread and its purpose!!! Stay Blessed.




Indeed, NO ONE merits Grace but they only gain an entrance therein who repent and believe. They only continue therein who watch, hold fast and overcome! They only enter into its final end who endure to the end!

As per the highlighted, it is for such that this thread was opened! Those whose understanding of Unmerited favour is that which needs no appropriation and is just an act of forgiveness! And afterwards calls forth no labouring to enter into that rest but a passive sauntering on the broad way claiming unmerited favour, not as what the Bible reveals it is, but as a waiver to be presented at the narrow gate!

You are dangerous tottering on the brink of a works salvation.

Some quick questions;
1. Have you sinned today?

promisechuks:

Anyway I pity the OP.

Very confused christian!

He is not confused. He raises some salient but ignored aspects of our faith. He is a wise man and a great teacher. Where he erred is in the misleading header of his post saying 'Grace is NOT Unmerited Favor!' He clearly believes Grace is unmerited favor so he contradicts himself but he goes on to give some powerful words of wisdom. That's all

eniigmar:

I've written almost 3 pages now.What is remaining is how to. Be filled with d holy spirit.

How do you intend to share three pages in 10min?

How to be filled is very simple; just ask
Luke 11:13 (KJV)
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

eniigmar:

Well...with what I know,it is almost not different.

You can see my dilemma?
I'm given a topic and subtopics but somebody else is given the SAME , yet am supposed to teach something different

ElCount:
Pls guys stop attacking the OP just enlighten him, no one knows it all, besides he didn't derail so much just dat the examples may be a little out of place

The OP is busy 'attacking' others who he feels are IGNORANT. Nobody is attacking him, we are simply showing him the error of attacking a truthful statement in the name of Correcting and balancing misconceptions and notions'

ElCount:
Grace is more than just "unmerited favor" infact the term "unmerited favor" is over-simplifying grace. Now going back to Jer 31:31 God talked about a new convenant and that was when the first convenant was still effective that is the law of Moses. In a bid to establish this new convenant God sent His son Jesus Christ to die for us thereby bringing "grace", that is to say the law was brought to us through Moses and "Grace" through Jesus Christ. Wouldn't want to go into so much details cause a lot can be said about grace and it cannot be exhausted, but as for people seeing grace as a license to commit sin that's wrong because it is written in Rom 6:1-3 that as Christ died we died with Him and have become dead to sin and also resurrected with Him. And in verse 6 it tells us that our old man was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be destroyed and hence no longer slaves to sin.
Again you can't talk about grace without talking about faith cause its written in Rom 4:16 "it is of Faith that it might be by Grace, to the end that the promise might be guaranteed to all seed..." Also in Rom 5:1-2 we find out that it is Faith that gives us access to Grace
Well I just recommend the book of Romans for a better insight into grace it inexhaustible

Words and phrases may not cover entire theology but that does not make them WRONG.
The phrase 'Grace is Unmerited Favor' is 120% accurate,just as as is a Muslim quip that Jesus was a prophet. We know He is more than a prophet, but He is still a prophet! Similarly, if there is more T Grace than Unmerited Favor, Grace remains Unmerited Favor plus that 'more'

Saying Grace is NOT unmerited favor means either Grace is Merited,it is not Favor or is neither. Attacking such a profound and accurate truth senselessly in the name of Correcting misconceptions and notions' is lack of wisdom.

The MOST distinguishing aspect of Grace is that it is unearned,free,nobody I entitled to it, and there is NOTHING you can do to qualify for it; the Grace is what qualifies you! The SECOND distinguishing aspect of Grace is that it is God who accepts man. Mary was said to be Highly favored' and some confused religionists pray to her for this. But Jesus said more blessed is he who does the will of God, and the will of God is to believe in Him. All these means UNMERITED FAVOR is lethally accurate

I would sooner reason with atheists if they can explain the origin of the universe

Weah96:


Wait a minute, quantum fluctuations are now NOTHING? How can nothing create a vacuum? Once again, I'll leave you with a quote from the "something from nothing" links YOU provided:


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/is-all-the-universe-from-nothing/

I will address your ignorance in the morning

GoodMuyis:


A Pastor That can give you million still sell his anointing body spray for a fee, what is the logic behind that.
I have a step mom (so called) attend the SCOAN yet still came back with the problem

Exactly!
You can't judge his obscenely advertised charity unless you know how much SCOAN takes,which is in millions of dollars every week! These are crumbs to misdirect simpletons attention

eniigmar:

It means to be empowered and controlled by the Holy spirit.

Great. How is it different from BOHS?

BodyKiss:
The only thing I like about TB Joshua is that he gives back to the less privileged. That said, I can't stand the poor show they put on in the name of deliverance and all. How people believe that is beyond my imagination.

The problem I have with such kind of charity is you have no idea the abundance out of which he gives. It could be spare change. Give a few millions here out of billions you have collected. I wish they were more transparent with their incomes just as much as they are with the 'miracles'

Weah96:



LOL. It's CLEARLY not a space, because a space is something.

That's why it's called a FALSE vacuum. Besides, they TELL you in the links that YOU provided that it doesn't have space, matter, or time. Only for you to come here and say its space? SMH.

Stop insulting and pay attention.

Don't be dumb

once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears.

'Quantum fluctuations' create a vacuum that then expands.
So we start with NOTHING, then a false vacuum, then expanding space

Young man go back to school. Start with a false vacuum

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oludyke:
Christian Militancy Has No Place in God's Kingdom and of His Christ

Yesterday and this morning, I watched a video that is trending in the social media about one apostle Suleiman who decreed that Governor of Kaduna State of Nigeria, Mallam Nasir El-Rufai should die, if he (the Governor) fails to revoke the bill that he desires to send to the state legislators on the licensing of religious ministers, including churches and mosques in Kaduna State. My focus in this message is not whether the Governor is right or wrong in his action. Neither I'm I interested on its merits and demerits. Rather it is on the attitude and pronouncement of a curse by a supposed minister of the Gospel. For him to say as follows "I am saying to the Governor of Kaduna State, revoke this law or die."; to which his congregants chorused loud 'Amens' is very worrisome to anyone with the mind of Christ.

Since watching this video, one cannot but wonder at the calibre of people who call themselves ministers of the gospel. One doesn't need to think too far to see the reason why Nigerians are very wicked to each other. Why extra judicial killings have filled the nation's landscape? We now understand better why we kill and maim ourselves at the slightest provocation. With the likes of Suleiman on the pulpit, having love for all (including one's enemies) remains a mirage. To see some highly placed Reverend ministers, Pastors, believers etc endorsing this unwholesome, wicked, abominable and utterly unbiblical statement of this man, shows how disconnected many professed believers are from The Lord Jesus Christ. My country Nigeria is in deep trouble. Only God can save her.

When people who are supposed to mould characters have become destroyers of human dignity, then there is every reason to be troubled. It is very sad that most of our pulpits are filled with pastors with wicked hearts. Our Lord Jesus says in Luke 6:44-45 "For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."

I ask you my brethren and the Christian militants would our Lord Jesus Christ have made such pronouncements? Let us for the sake of argument assume that the law by the Kaduna State Governor is targeted at persecuting Christians, would the true Apostles of the early church have wished Herod, King Agrippa, Pontus Pilate, the Roman and Jewish leaders dead because they (the Christians) were being persecuted by these people"? Did not the first martyr Stephen pray for God to forgive those who stoned him to death in Acts 7:60? Did Paul ad Silas not prevent their jailor from committing suicide when he thought that both men had escaped from the prison in Acts 16:25-34? Let us see what happened in Luke 9:51-56, when 'militants' James and John in their ignorance asked Christ to send down fire on people.

51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But He (Christ) turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village

Christ Jesus did not come to destroy lives but to save them. That mandate has not changed till date. We are called to preach the Gospel of repentance from sin and salvation of souls through faith in The Lord Jesus. To teach the saved people to live holy and righteous lives as they keep walking with The Lord. We are not called to pronounce curses on our real and imaginary enemies. Christ teaches us love for God and love for our fellow human beings.

Matthew 5:43-48

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Let me state that God does not need people to fight His battles. All these Christian militants should steer clear of what is not their business. Should the Kaduna State government decide to make the state an Islamic State, so be it. God will fight His battle. All have we to do is to go to The Lord in prayers, while ensuring that we are in a right relationship with God. You cannot be living in sin and fight the battle of the Lord. You cannot be a false prophet with pride oozing out of you and say you are a child of God. That is the problem with the church of today. Many are not living right and they profess to be Christians. Many are agents of the devil who masquerade as ministers of the Gospel.

The Lord Jesus Christ will build His church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Matthew 16:18). The Jewish leaders in the days of the early church could not hinder the spread of the Gospel. Neither could the Roman government do it. People are getting saved in present day China and in the Arab countries, in spite of the hard stand of these governments against the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Many refugees from Syria, Iraq and many Arab countries who are currently in Europe are giving their lives to Christ. Nobody forced them. They willingly surrendered their lives to The Lord Jesus Christ. What God has ordained, no man can annul. “The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.” Psalm 24:1.

We cannot fight spiritual battles with the use of physical weapons. 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 declares
“3 For though we walk in the flesh (in the human body), we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.”
Ephesians 6:10-18 also teaches us on spiritual warfare and how to use the spiritual weapons.

As Christians we are admonished to pray for governments and those in authority and not to curse them (1 Timothy 2:1). I advise these Christian militants to desist from making careless and ungodly statements, because of possible repercussions from God Himself, not the devil. If the action of the Kaduna State Governor is in utmost good faith, no amount of curses can kill him. Proverbs 26:2 says “As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.” Be reminded that curses have a way of going back to its source (backfiring), especially if the other party has done no wrong. Desist from digging pits, because he who digs a pit shall falls into it and he who rolls a stone, it will return upon him (Proverbs 26:27).

Brethren, let us all follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and those of the early Apostles and Prophets as seen in the Bible. God never desires that any should perish but that all should come to repentance and to His knowledge. A true disciple of Christ is one that follows His teachings (John 8:31; John 15:14).

If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. John 13:17

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matthew 11:15).

Till we meet again on this platform, remain blessed Jesus' name, Amen.

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Very eloquent. I love eloquent posts. They are fewer and far between so much trash.
Your point is Christians should deal with enemies or opponents of their faith at most by prayer.
Here is my take. First Century Christians lived largely under a Roman Empire where they had zero say in whoever was in power. Under such circumstances, Paul prescribed prayer for those in authority in order to lead peaceable lives. He also advocated for civil obedience in Romans.

Today, we have a totally different reality; democracy. This means believers have a CHOICE in who their leaders be. Over and above prayer, they can do something namely voting. And above voting, they can participate in leadership. Beside prayer, voting and politicking, they can also agitate(advocacy).

The present realities are largely what inspired US Civil Rights Movement by Christians. It's not that prayers were not enough, it's just that there was something else available; agitation. In South Africa, the body of Christ was basically silent against apartheid. This is one seriously blight in the conscience that will last generations. Whereas black Americans have some form of connection to the church through the civil rights movements, South Africans have nothing to admire the church for. The church was quiet in their hour of need.

Coming to Nigeria, it is clear the church has more at its disposal in dealing with antiChristian leadership than the first century church. The church can freely express its displeasure at the current leadership. This is probably where Suleiman is coming from. Suleiman is not advocating violence, he is doing exactly what Paul is did to Elymas (Acts 13:8-12); raining curse on a distraction. It may/may not be right, but it has a biblical precedent.

Scholar8200:
But the false notion that emphasizes one aspect and despises the other aspect has to be corrected!That's the purpose here.

You are certainly free to correct all the notions you can afford to,real or imagined, but the question is, is grace anything other than Unmerited Favor?

There is this hymn that some saints sang at a meeting," It Pays to Serve Jesus". After the singing, the speaker came up to say," It Costs to serve Jesus". Point? There are perspectives that must be balanced!

Perspectives notwithstanding, Grace is Unmerited Favor, and you have conceded as much. This makes you a contradiction because you claim Grace is NOT Unmerited Favor, while at the same time conceding Grace is just that!

In your case, that would be like saying 'it does not pay to serve Christ' because you are 'balancing' 'it costs to serve Christ'!

Scholar8200:
The focus of this thread is to correct the notion that grace is no more than forgiveness(what people actually mean this days when they say Grace is unmerited favour). Sure, we can never earn/merit grace however, we have a role to play in receiving and abiding therein by faith.

While there are that will welcome Strong's definition of Grace as Favour, many are apt to deliberately over look the emphasis on Divine Influence and a result it should have in the life we live.

Question is, do their 'notion' subtract anything from the FACT that Grace is Unmerited Favor?

You concede Grace is Unmerited
You also concede Grace is favor
Why is Grace not Unmerited Favor?

Scholar8200:
Yes, you might have been told to come to Jesus just the way you are, correct. But you dont remain just the way you are after coming to Him else you never truly came! Or you came and left.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinth 5:17

How does this make Grace is not unmerited favor!?

Scholar8200:
Your opinion is noted.

On top of noting my opinion,
How does any of what you did or the definition you gave of grace demonstrate that grace is not unmerited favor?

Weah96:


I've heard quantum physics described by worse names.

I hate to point this out but if you had the eye for details and if your brains are fast enough, you'd have noted the 'nothing' in the equation is actually a 'metastable false vacuum'....a space in as many words.

Scholar8200:
Alright.


And that favour was , among other things, described not as passive permission but active enabling by the same Strong's concordance:
{That's the focus here. Note the word,"especially"}

◄ 5485. charis ►


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

grace, favor:

From chairo; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; [size=13pt]especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life;[/size] including gratitude) -- acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy)

http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/5485.htm
[size=38pt]Yes acceptable but not without taking away that which is offensive to the Giver![/size]

The simple question,
How does ANY of this mean Grace is not unmerited favor?
I have been waiting for scriptural proof that 'grace is not unmerited favor', but NOTHING you have adduced save your own baseless claims and headline shows this.

You can build all your arguments without going against 'grace is unmerited favor' statement because all you are saying does not in ANY way nullify this statement.

Next time you set to demolish words of wisdom, quips,quote,statement,definition and so forth, you had better be sure;
1. You understand the phrase
2. You know the phrase is WRONG
3. You know what is RIGHT


Once again, regardless of all your cliches and mishmash of scriptures and arguments, grace is unmerited favor. Those words are so profound and concise, they can't possibly be distilled further. Get a life apart from kicking against the goads

Scholar8200:
Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction,
Romans 3:22 (AMP)

That is Grace! It transcends just an act of forgiveness but it is followed by an Impartation of Life! It restores not just fellowship but the Divine Nature!

As usual, you purport to aid Holy Spirit with inspiration by imagining stuff nonexistent from EVERY text you quote;
1. Where is forgiveness here?
2. Where is impartation of life?
3. Where is restoration of fellowship?
4. What is divine nature? The righteousness of God?
You get one cliche right out of four
You are more adept at recycling and regurgitating cliches than using scriptures

◄ 5485. charis ►


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

grace, [size=38pt]favor[/size]:

From chairo; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude) -- acceptable, benefit, [size=38pt]favour[/size], gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy)

http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/5485.htm

Strong's definition of Grace has FAVOR in it. We know it is not of works, it is not earned, it is a gift. How wrong is it to say GRACE is unmerited favor? Is it that it is merited or it is not favor?

FAVOR btw means accepted

esere826:

Lol
Of course olaa, I wasn't attacking you. I cant stoop to such level.
I was only showing you how texts can be lifted out of context, and misused.
I'm actually surprised that you could not notice my play with words.

This is what I did. I made a full statement, then demonstrated how some folks pick out the sensational bits out of context.

Uhmmm. Come to think of it, if you couldn't notice something so obvious, how can I trust your assessment of more weighty stuff.

Deeper Life simpleton

HardMirror:

I am not a christian any more but I must commend you, you will be a good teacher

Thank you for your kind words.
Do you mind me asking what you are? I already know what you are not

eniigmar:

Why nah.

It's splitting hairs allocating the topics to different people. May be whoever did this wanted all of you to participate but this is not the way to go IMHO.

Tell me,
What do you understand by filling of the Holy Ghost

Weah96:


Well for something with no space occupying properties, and without matter, and no time demonstrating properties, to have been the source of the Big Bang is mind boggling. Because it is technically NOTHING. It's like the SMALLEST POSSIBLE particle POSSIBLE which isn't really a thing anymore.

Although that is not the STRANGEST thing I've read in quantum physics by far.

It is not MIND boggling nor is it STRANGEST.....it is sheer lunacy
That 'something' without matter,space or time is exactly NOTHING

Weah96:


No they're not. You're making it up. One is a science writer, robotics mostly, the others are Chinese physicists (probably all from the same village).

I think you are being dumb on purpose. It's like one can't be an atheist if they are a scientist

They're still NOT saying that something came from NOTHING. All they did was provide several reasons why the Wheeler-Dewitt equation is possible. From one of your blog links, I believe the first one:

Are you literate? Did you miss this?
An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1207v1.pdf

It's up to you to understand that nothing must be something and they tell you that it is. Or ask questions if your teacher chooses to use that word in class.

How can you be helped if you lack simple comprehension skills?