ever811:
if anyone do not understand a thing here,that should be you...almighty, all powerful,omniscience, the great one can create all the things you mentioned in a second if he want to.

Your version of God is anthropomorphic. Its an archaic interpretation from the bronze age, but if it rocks your boat, go with it.
I prefer to use Nature.

ever811:
everything you said hear boils down to an opinion that the universe created its self,.which is more annoying as to an end that you people always refute an inc that God has no creator."who created God is an audible questions from atheists and there likes.but here you are crying out how the universe has no creator.and its make no sense to have you disassociate nature to the universe, as the universe and nature all belongs to a kick to start appeal."DO NATURE " has a source?.. your answer is YES and NO..that is confusion...honestly you just confess in your right up that humans knows nothing about there existence....

I didn't say that the universe created itself, I used the term Nature which encompasses a bit more than we can possibly imagine. It includes ALL abstractions like thoughts and dreams and even possibilities. There were impressions acting on the primordial particle(s) and that is what Nature is. I call it the Reason or the Way EVERYTHING works.

Over time, tribes like the Jews and other militia groups have tried to quantify it and use it to survive through religion. But it is much bigger and more complicated than that.

EazyMoh:

Heheheheh!
OK for 1438 years why hasn't anybody or group of people tried to do that just to shut up the Muslims. Am sure even Nigerian Churches can afford $100K (as you put it) for anybody that memorizes the Bible. Simple!
You have millions of children with different languages worldwide who have memorized and recite the Qur'an fluently and flawlessly in Arabic this is the greatest Miracle Islam claims and challenges the whole world to challenge. And what a beauty the Qur'an confirms THEY CAN NEVER DO IT!
The offer is and will still be open till the end of time!

Well the KJV Bible contains in excess 780,000 words while the Quran only has about 78,000.

So it's not the same volume of words to remember. In fact, it's TEN TIMES BIGGER.

EazyMoh:

Lol!
Of course uncountable number of Muslims apostate all over the world on daily basis, but this isn't the case. You may choose to believe the OP but we know better which is why we not even angry in fact we are happy that a story like this has to be fabricated by some people just make themselves feel good.
All those so called miracles of Islamic inscriptions are mostly fake and fabricated and knowledgeable people like me don't take them serious nor need them to believe.
Ever wondered why Islam doesn't care about all those present day prophesies and miracles? While we believe Allah can do anything and everything He wills, we don't support mediocrity, stupidity nor naivete. This was why while Christianity was prescribing exorcism for every ailment believing all sickness are effects of the devil, Islam was supporting and perfecting scientific treatments of different ailments.
Most importantly the number one Miracle authenticated by Islam which is used to challenge anybody that demands a miracle from Islam is the GLORIOUS QURAN.
1 If you think it's not from the Almighty God that it's mere book written by a mere mortal the bring/write another that is comparable to it.
2. The Quran is INCORRUPTIBLE, and it's message is indestructible.
3. No book has been memorized in its entirety by people even it's own authors. Even Chinua Achebe couldn't narrate Things Fall Apart off-hand.
These three and more miracles will continue to hold exclusively for Quran only till the day of judgement.
Islam has this undeniable timeless miracle, therefore it doesn't need writing on a leaf or tree in a remote village to make a point.
Anyway OP continue.

Anyone can memorize a book. We just have better things to do. But for the right price, I'm pretty sure that people will memorize anything.

Do you not think that schoolchildren will memorize Things Fall Apart for $100K USD?

Brown47:



the universe is complex so it needs a designer?,

Designer is a loaded term. The universe requires a source, as does everything, both complex and simple.

ever811:
I am following this trend with an open mind to believe who ever that is correct..so since God did not create the universe ,can you tell me who or what did?..make sure you tell me the origin of that...,that created the earth.pls don't refer me to any link bring it out here your self just as he is doing,so if I have a question I can ask thank you..

First things first. God is a loaded term, it means different things to different people. Some human ideas of God are unacceptable, others are not.
I've always maintained that Deism is the most accurate of all positions, though it can be defended as a watered down form of atheism. Notice that even outspoken atheists have historically said very little about Deists.

Now to answer your question, the earth is a floating rock with a molten core. No one knows the exact origin of floating rocks, or the origin of the composite materials from which they're made. Common sense suggests that everything has a source, including composite materials. So I will say that Nature created the earth and the universe, Nature being the collection of underlying rules, truths, AND materials that occupy our known universe. Does Nature have a source? Yes and No. Nature is more of an idea, like the concept of infinity, or "the way everything works". The source of Nature would be Nature, because that Source should also be considered a part of "the way everything works," as should the Source of that Source.

I read somewhere the other day that the universe is infinitely large, containing ALL possibilities SIMULTANEOUSLY. What that means is that there is an infinite number of us doing an infinite number of things in an infinite number of RIGHT NOW. If that is true, then Nature must be Infinity. I hope I didn't confuse you further.

Khabib is his size. Slightly bigger too. The Russian will ragdoll him. I give him a better chance at Woodley than Khabib and Woodley fights at 170.

KingEbukaNaija:


Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

The underlined and emboldened text can be construed in relation to the topic being discussed as - for children since they lack the ability to know good or evil are saved by the grace of God , it is the gift of God.

Even bad children? How do you know the categories of people upon whom this grace is going to be bestowed by God?

KingEbukaNaija:


No the question is if bestiality is morally right or wrong , to the atheists . If you had read the OP you have seen countries where bestiality is legal. But it being legal or verboten doesn't not mean its right ( when legal) or its wrong (when verboten ) . Just like the case of homosexuality - its legal in some countries but it does not make it morally right .



You smoke weed , don't you ?

It is wrong in countries where it is illegal, morally. Someone attracted to animals cannot openly sleep with said animals in the US, or have the deed discovered. He would be a criminal, an immediate immoral label.

In countries that permit it, it isn't morally wrong. They are law abiding citizens who have an attraction for animals. I'm not attracted to men and nothing will make me change my sexual identity. Likewise, those who aren't attracted to animals won't stoop so low as to sleep with one.

If you're attracted to an animal, then you obviously have a functional mental imbalance, created by a childhood issue. But the law gets to decide if you can walk on the same street as myself.

People have already raised the issue of eating animals, which is worse than r.aping them. Your problem is that you think that we are somehow superior to them somehow. It's probably the aeroplane or the cellphone that is confusing you. Or the myriad inventions and technologies.

I don't smoke weed. I ingest THC.

KingEbukaNaija:


But as soon as you have loving sex with your dog who you care for more than anything in the world, somehow you are a sick and awful human being.

Ironic?

Source : http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/14297-Animals-*can*-consent-to-sex

Are you asking WHY bestiality is a crime? It is a crime, you know.
Well, systems of government determine how laws are passed. Weed is illegal in the US and cigarettes are legal. 450,000 people die directly as a result of cigarettes every year, to zero being killed by weed.

KingEbukasBlog:


The sins committed by children are venial because they haven't reached the age of accountability . So no matter your sins as a child , you don get free pass to Heaven .

I've answered this before though . Check pages 1-5

From where did you obtain this your Constitution? You're also wrong. Ephesians 2:8-9

Nothing you do in this life can save you. Na ur bible write am.

mayoor15:
Am a christian, but I don't judge men of God,

You must first establish who the man of God is before you decide whether or not to judge. So you judge everyone else, and leave the man of God to be judged by the invisible God?

Judgment implies different things. Calling someone a liar when he tells lies is not judgment.

urheme:



For many years i prayed, i partook in the christian religion, i was very religious at a time but [size=18pt]felt nothing, saw nothing[/size] and did not know what to think.

I thought i was wasting my time and i find my self a full blown atheist.

So you waited for TB Joshua to retire himself before you started seeing and feeling? Hahahaha. It's pretty convenient, this your visionary and auditory endowment right after a power vacuum has developed in Nigerian spirit politics.

frozenjim:
u are nothing bug a fool..the wrath of God will come upon u soon

So the wrath of God go Waka pass your family and attack someone who does not follow TB Joshua?

Where is the planet killing asteroid when you need it?

mayoor15:
Yes, maybe he woke up from the trance early, like he said, d margin was very close. Am not his fan, but I think the man was right

He has been telling lies for over a decade, with retroactive prophecies. It caught up to him.

You must be an atheist. You too no dey fear the God ehn?

mayoor15:
Am not a fan of TB Joshua, but looking at his prophecy realistically, the man was right, he saw the new US president, he said the president will face a lot of opposition, we will know that next year, he saw a woman, if you take a moment 2 check the number of votes, clinton had the highest number of vote which would have won her the presidency if it were to be other nations electoral system, clinton won the votes but trump won the presidency by being the first to reach the benchmark of 270, his prophecy might have been clear if he had taken time to expantiate more, if it were to be nigeria, clinton should be the president not trump. Nobody should come after me, but I think nigerians were in a hurry to castigate the man of God why not taking time to analyse the prophecy, all he said was not to waste your time, I saw a woman. He didnt emphatically state that hilary will win

He saw the US president, but didn't know that the US got rules for elections, confusing their rules with Ghana's or Togo's.

finally1:
I can't
seem to find the motivation to try anymore. I
think of it like this: Even if I make it in life
make a ton of life-long friends, meet an
amazing girl and fall madly in love, start a
family, get a career I enjoy, buy a nice house,
and die happily and peacefully at an old age,
what's the point?
What difference does it really make whether I
live the rest of my life completely happy or
completely miserable? I'm going to die one
day and none of this will be of any
significance. I don't believe in god or an
afterlife, so I don't have that to look forward
to. So tell me, why should we fight for a
better future when the final outcome is the
same, regardless of how we live our lives?


seun i need your answer on this

I've felt like this since the age of 9. You get used to it. The worst part is when people tell me about a recent death, I tell them that the deceased is lucky to be dead already. Life is like a PHD program and death is the Thesis you write at the end. You cannot graduate without completing your thesis, so if someone dies, to me he has finished his 2200 page thesis, leaving me to write mine.

The fun is in finding something you like to do, someone you love. That's why we have kids. By the time you're done fooling around with them, it will be time to go.

asuustrike2009:

Are you OK? Is possible for someone to 100% perfect?
If T.B Joshua's prophecies are always coming to pass then man wouldn't depend on God instead they will start relying on prophecies. Every move they make would be attributed to prophecies ,so God always tame his prophet in other to checkmate them same way a father tame and discipline his child.

Go collect your brain from where you left it. Hahahaha.

asuustrike2009:

[size=18pt] If all his prophecies are always accurate then he maybe equated with God.[/size]

Wait, making correct prophecies is the extent of your god's powers? So if u become an official spokesman for ASO RoCK, na u be the President?

May your god remove your mouth and replace it with two recta.

A protester with 100 million USD resting for her bank account. Move to China. They allow millionaires there.

ScienceWatch:
The Holy Prophet TB Joshua's prophecy is still correct in the light of the spiritual realm. History is full of example of how nations and individuals are free to change their destiny. Be very careful Nigerians, do not jump so quickly into the trap set by Satanic forces.


Keep your minds firmly on the awesome scientifically verifiable Miracles, Signs, Prophecies and also on the huge number of people world wide that constantly receive help for scholarships, poverty, etc, etc from a truly blessed church called Scoan in Nigeria.

The Holy Prophet TB Joshua's prophecy is still correct in the light of the spiritual realm. History is full of example of how nations and individuals are free to change their destiny. Be very careful Nigerians, do not jump so quickly into the trap set by Satanic forces.

Remember the Jews, they had a 200 year old prophecy that Jesus is the Son Of God and he is coming to enrich us with Miracles, Signs, Prophecies And wonders. The Jews rejected this and changed the outcome of that prophecy in own lives. The Jews have been suffering for more than two thousand years. Because we have FREE WILL, we can change the outcome of any prophecy that directly affects our lives.

America is no different. They changed the outcome of the prophecy in their lives. They will suffer the consequences if their choice was a bad one.

Your fada. It's curtains bro, the souls of the 100 dead have come back to finish his reputation.

Airforce1:
I pity those Nigerians who s been living in United states for years and forgot to invest back home.

Trump is a man of his words.. I see him kicking lotsa Africans back home soon..

Trump kicking people out?

ScienceWatch:
Pastors run churches as their own private business while TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account.

So where does he keep his cash money?

ScienceWatch:
Remember, people with hidden agendas always use a well worn tactic to destroy the good reputation of a person they are envious and jealous of. They dont realize that this tactic only work with the foolish. A weak mind labours not when faced with Truth. It simply JUMPS to conclusions.

CAN WEAK MINDS WORK THOUGH THE FOLLOWING MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE ?

Prophet TB Joshua critics fail world wide?
Yes, as a result of this the Internationally recognized Religious Monitoring Group have investigated Joshua and the Synagogue, Church of All Nations and have concluded that he is a genuine man of God and that his work is of the Holy Spirit. His chief critics was denounced by this International Watchdog Group as morally bankrupt and as adulterers who has political ambitions.
The overseas critics are relying on hearsay evidence and none of them have personally visited the Synagogue, Church Of All Nations.
Independent investigations and shocking revelations here about the Synagogue Church Of All Nations. (Scoan) Nigeria.
The Lagos Government investigations also revealed here.
http://www.theremnant.com/08-02-01.html
Also view doveministries dot com

Conniving guttersnipe, we have the man on video. Did you not watch the video? Does he say different things in the church building that the video doesn't record?

otr1:

"Now whether he kills Cassio or Cassio him, or each do kill the other, every way makes my gain"

The real people in control of things in the US always win in any contingency.
Republicans or Democrats, they own them both. Forget the labels

Problem is, Trump is neither. He had to run Republican because Hillary told us na her papa get the democratic party. Trump has never been a Republican. Republicans do not go to Howard Stern Radio Show.

smudge2079:
Prophet T.B Joshua has been humbled.. Fakers..... If he wants to redeem himself he should gimme the perfect Score of Manchester United vs Arsenal game on 19th of November, 2016. I mean HT/FT score....

I want the names of scorers, the time they will score, and the leg they will use.

Honestly, I knew this man was fake when I heard his first premier league prediction. I didn't care about the actual prediction, but the very idea that a creator will tell him to predict premier league.

He's MUST be an atheist himself. There's no fear of any supreme power in that man.

ScienceWatch:
It is a sin for sick or demon possessed people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same.
If this is true for the holy Scoan Church Nigeria, what is wrong in other churches? The problem is squarely with their Pastors, not the congregation. The congregations faith is always enough as abundantly proven in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

Thousands of Popes, Bishops, Pastors, Priests, Apostles, Deacons, etc, cant give to the suffering masses what Jesus Christ command they must give, it is written, “I come to make your burdens light.” This is self-evident at the holy Scoan Church daily. Jesus Christ also says to all priests today, “As I was sent, so send I you.”

Free Healing and free demonic deliverance. This mind-blowing free work with tons of medically verified evidence is presented to the whole world daily 24hrs a day at the Scoan Church, Nigeria.
The truth is finally out ! It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same. Why allow them to go home only with a false promise.

I pity your lineage. Nobody is this fo.olish. May your offenses be visited upon your children by mother Nature. Do you know how disgusting it is to trick people with fake healing and prophecies? I'm not talking about able bodied men, but old people and those who cannot understand the logic of language?

prinsam30:
I have read all your lamentations and I have come to conclusion that.....


God can change event, kindly follow this book of Isaiah and lament no more

This guy. So after writing nonsense, you didn't read what you yourself wrote? Hezekiah prayed and received a second prophecy by the same prophet. So technically, the prophecy was correct.

Quit writing nonsense.

ScienceWatch:
Sanchez01 please stop scamming. Scamming is a crime. You have been scamming off the scientifically verified miracle healings happening in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria for a long time to look good in the eyes of foolish people.

The world will not forget today 9/11/2016, when Sanchez01 was unmasked as one of the leaders of a failed Satanic group that want to destroy the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria at all cost. Upon close examination of internet posts of Sanchez01, it appears that this failed Satanic group's mission is to first confuse and then deprive the suffering masses from receiving their miraculous HEALING and DELIVERANCE that God promised them through Jesus Christ.

Sanchez01 is hell-bent on regaining his failed leadership of a small insignificant Satanic group. Kwaku Bonsam and Freeze of cool FM's plan to destroy the Holy Scoan Nigeria failed again. Pentecostal Pnf church leaders and falso profeta and tbjoshuawatch webpages are part of this satanic group. They are part of a spiritually sick satanic group that want see the continuation of the suffering of good people in Nigeria and the world.

Remember how the Jews rejected the scientific verifiable evidence freely available to them. Miracle, Prophecy, Signs And Wonders are Gods way of providing evidence of his love through one man, Jesus Christ and His anointed Pastors/Priests/Prophets. Without this anointing, Pastors are not recognized in heaven. They are fake !
If you love Jesus Christ, remember to block this evil facebook pages; https://web.facebook.com/tbjoshuawatch, AND https://web.facebook.com/tbjoshuafalsoprofeta/ to block the page click on “more” then click on ‘block” . Soon this harmful page will only serve the needs of satanic worshipers.

Who borrowed your brain and why?

warmachine:


Ok...let's see hu d joke is...time will tell

Which time? The writing is already on the wall. This guy, you vex me before, now u wan kill me with laff.

You no sabi say election don finish. Even Hillary already picked phone to congratulate pesin.

Only you and TV Joshua remain come.

warmachine:



Let us see....and I ain't changing nothing

Really can't wait for the last laff

Well start laughing, you buffoon. I don't know the comedian God you serve, but I think the joke is on YOU this time around.

gozzlin:


A large percentage of Americans will disagree with your assertion on Obama delivering on his promises. The Obama health care plan for example is a pet peeve of a lot of Americans. Trump promised to repeal it, while Clinton said she'll retain it. I think a lot of Americans trust Trump more on a number of issues.

Healthcare premiums have increased about 200% under Obamacare. I don't know what he wanted to do, but he made it WORSE.