Tolumiide:
My brother @whyai, looking at the Title of your Thread and your point that you believe that God exists. It's just that you don't see Christianity as an option.
You can share other good options with us, let's look at it together, sincerely, alot of people have alot of questions about religion, you could be helping someone.
These are my options, accordingly
1) Christianity
2) Sikhism
3) Jainism
4) Buddhism

Share yours

Cant help you, sorry.

trutharena:


So what is the meaning of the thread?

Dont ask me, read like the rest.

Tolumiide:


The verse I quoted above. The devil's aim was to be like the most high, he knew he couldn't displaced him.
I'm certain you would love to interpret it downside up or as it pleases you.

Which Isiah are you reading from? Abi you wan invent your own verse?


The same Isiah 14:12-15 that I quoted in this chat already?

trutharena:
Why should it not be an option? You wan kpai all xtians?

So out of all the reasonable points your fellow adults are putting forward. Killing and genocide was the only thing your brain settled for.

Go get help.

Validated:

The fools say there is no God

I didn't post about whether there is no God. I posted that it is impossible for God to be the one described by the christian bible.

Tolumiide:


.. but he acknowledged that the Most High can't be defeated. ( correcting your view of a coup).

Where, in which verse?

advanceDNA:
so..?? What has not acting alone got to do with his intention ....the text said he's the gang leader...other were just riding on his deceptive and pride-driven mandate.....The others probably believed him because of his position .... Imagine the senate president planning a coup....being a member of the senate others could Believe him compared to a random local government chairman trying to do the same

must have known?? You funny....This is fallacy of hasty conclusion....their is no evidence for this claim...its not even a plausible conclusion.

Anyways...What the devil knew as u claim or thought doesn't matter....... Pride as recorded likely made him thought he could deafet his boss ....this i feel is the plausible explanation for his move as the bible records that he was perfect before he allowed pride take him over to think he would ascend the throne of God


Like I said.....What he thought doesn't matter in this context because he was wrong.....isnt it clearly evident from his defeat.??...he couldn't even defeat the remaining co angels



The bible is a merged account of different people who encountered God in different ways ......it's was merged for collective reference ....it ddnt really need to be merged if u ask me......in those days ...the books were stored in scrolls separately

Until u encounter God urself like those whose accounts were recorded.....all u have is religion or bandwagon followership... Bible or no bible

If it is hasty fallacy to conclude that a power (particularly with a claim of being the ultimate), which can be confronted in a coup is not infallible. Don't you think it is ridiculous to base faith on the fact that such story as a whole could be true.

This is just one aspect of inconsistency in the nature of the biblical god.

Your defence has fallen apart in my opinion and dismissing my point as fallacy doesn't suffice.

advanceDNA:
so..?? What has not acting alone got to do with his intention ....the text said he's the gang leader...other were just riding on his deceptive and pride-driven mandate.....The others probably believed him because of his position .... Imagine the senate president planning a coup....being a member of the senate others could Believe him compared to a random local government chairman trying to do the same

must have known?? You funny....This is fallacy of hasty conclusion....their is no evidence for this claim...its not even a plausible conclusion.

Anyways...What the devil knew as u claim or thought doesn't matter....... Pride as recorded likely made him thought he could deafet his boss ....this i feel is the plausible explanation for his move as the bible records that he was perfect before he allowed pride take him over to think he would ascend the throne of God


Like I said.....What he thought doesn't matter in this context because he was wrong.....isnt it clearly evident from his defeat.??...he couldn't even defeat the remaining co angels



The bible is a merged account of different people who encountered God in different ways ......it's was merged for collective reference ....it ddnt really needed to be merged if u ask me......in those days ...the books were stored in scrolls separately

Until u encounter God urself like those whose accounts were recorded.....all u have is religion or bandwagon wagon followership... Bible or no bible

1. Bible is the merger of various Accounts. Which means the authors would be vetted for it to be acceptable? If you dont know the authors, how then were they vetted and their writings divine?

2. According to the Bible, the angels who acted with him also have free will and are rational. If they are influenced by the devil, then they would have a shared conception of a weakness they could capitalize upon.

3. By your house of senate reference, you are affirming that the Bible's heavenly leadership structure is earthly, therefore without an absolute power ir perhaps such that can be threatened.

If the Bible's god's heaven is so disfunctional, another battle in heaven could be under way, so he cant be all powerful.


This cant be the analogy of an all powerful God. The only way for christianity to be truthful is to affirm the Bible as being corrupted, hence the corrupted image of the Christian god.

Then, people can find their God elsewhere.

advanceDNA:

Proud pple always have an inflated sense of self .....so yeah....like adolf hitler, the devil can try thinking he can win when he actually cant..

weakling?? not sure what your context is here.....because one creation decides to rebel makes God a weakling?? How? We humans on earth here rebel all the time...u are making it sound like a bigger deal what the devil did.......creations have free will right? ....


It's is my opinion that God omniscient capacity doesnt mean he knows his creation's final decision...why did i say this? I mean, You cannot give total free will (the ability to do whatever you want) to each creation and also have the right to know the creations final decision on a matter....that's wont be free will

My opinion is what God sees or knows in his omniscient capacity is all the possible outcomes / decisions you can make concerning an issue.... E.g...if are lusting after a woman... There are many possible outcomes from that lust...assuming its 4...
1.you approach the lady & sleep with her
2..you rápe her...
3..you ignore your lust and move on
4. You kill her because u angry u can't get her....

God sees and knows all these 4 outcomes even before you choose but what u will do eventually is totally up to you alone because that's what free will truly means...

Which is why I also believe it was said about Abraham "now I know you truly fear me" (Gen. 22:12).



Anyone who believes God only because of what he reads in the Bible or becos of what some pastor said is just doing religion or bandwagon followership
There were no books or Bible written about God thousands of years ago.....yet people somehow encountered God..like abraham, isaac, moses, etc.. . And that little aspect of God they encountered (referred to as conviction) is usually enough to carry them for one life time

Interesting response. Except that there are apparent flaws in it.

1. The devil didn't act alone.
2. Unlike Hitler and the Nazis, the devil and his fellow rebels must have known that the described god is all powerful.
3. According to Isiah 14:12-15. He really thought they had a chance to usurp the dominion of heaven. The devil didnt do it just to spite the authority of the God for the sakė of free will. There is an under tone of "see - finish". The worst is he communicated this to others and helped them see reason.
4. If a book is supposedly divine and a message from a God, it should be taken seriously and also be able to address critical assessment in a way that is not self-contradictory like an ordinary book.

drlateef:



Don’t worry dude. Just believe that “for God so loved the world and he brings his only forgotten son….bla bla bla….”. Thats all you need, okay!!!

Imagine, he almost lost His kingdom to coup, like a mere earthly king, then had to appease his creation, by sacrificing sth dear to him:not even animal or hectares of land, but a supposed son, who is supposed to run heaven alongside him.

That is some Greek Zeus bullshit.

A verse that i find particularly interesting from childhood was this:

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." (Revelation 12:7-9, NIV).


My question is, would the devil have fought if he didn't think that he had a chance?

God cannot certainly be such a weakling as described.

How does an omniscient god of all galaxies and universes be so clueless about the blatant coup attempt on his own yard?


The second question is if there's no other Option of faith on EARTH besides Christianity, would you rather face God as a person still in search of truth or would you face God as a person who believes a book that suggests His dominion could be usurped by His creations if they try hard enough?

truespeak:


Says the living dead!

You cant defend an ideology that's the essence of your living, I am certain you're the dead one here.

truespeak:


You attacked God first in saying we should not defend him, so we are attacking you!

And now you are screaming.

You have not seen anything yet.

Clowns, oya defend na.

truespeak:


Another don't defend God idioot

Na so our defence of God dey pain una

The fight should be between human to human, dust to dust.

So we are happy to engage Una.

But I tell you this, as your desire is for God to not be defended, my prayer for you is that you shall NEVER be defended.

You shall be accused and no one shall come to your defence!

Even you shall not be able to come to your own defence!

Refute the points or shut up. That's why Islam and judaism are taken more seriously. You fools refuse to learn your religion, and then attack anyone asking questions.

StillDtruth:


Says the devil whose first post is a rant borne out of ignorance. Hahahahahahahaha 😆😆😆😆😆😆

You don't have anything good to say in clear proof you are a devil, not to talk of your word "bible people". 😆😆😆😆

O what a FFD,funny frustrated devi!😆😆😆😆

You feel uncomfortable because someone challenge your belief that is fragile and hanging by a thread. Don't accuse me of saying nothing and then have nothing to say.

Iamanoited:
CHRISTIANITY MEANS THE RIGHTEOUS , THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD, THE LIGHT OF GOD, THE GOODNESS OF GOD AND THE LIFE OF GOD ON EARTH.

To you, so express yourself like an adult. Because this feels like a kid throwing tantrum.

StillDtruth:


You are the one attacking like a typical demon child of Satan. You are the one who just came suddenly came here complaining about the defence of God and i have only answered.you with a very observable fact that it is only people who are devils who always ask that God should not be defended.

And the next thing is to insalt.

Clearly you are one of the devil child of satan and going by the fact that this moniker was just registered today i suspect you are known devil here just creating another moniker to make it look like atheists are many.😆😆😆

Anyway, this thread already proves that you are the one attacking God, me and christians.

The next thing now is for you to start Lying to complete your satan birth certificate.😆😆😆😆😆

All these rant and stupid laughter just prove your ignorance. It's a common tactic to make a fool of yourself in an attempts to downplay critical opinions about your religion.


Į guess you're too afraid to hear what the Bible people have to say and would rather brush your ego.

StillDtruth:


See how you prove you are one of Satan's many many children?

Only children of devils complain about other poeple defence of a person who is being wickedly, evily and unfairly attacked!

Personal attacks wont help you escape the issues raised. As expected, you replied like a typical ignorant Christian.

Kobojunkieee:
Every religion out there including Islam is guilty of the very same. That is why there are so many people out there who believe in themselves as gods of men — imams, pastors, mallams, bishops, etc. Religion is nothing but politics of men spewed in the name of some deity.

Į like how Christians just run to Islam at the slightest sign of distress.

You run to Islam for assurance and then to Judaism for validation. Lost, helpless, and sad.

Kobojunkieee:
Dedicating your life to a lie simply means you are probably more adept at lying than anything else, nothing more! 😏😏😏😏

Good boy

Skooltynz:


Thats because they are humans too not gods. Besides these countries you mentioned Africans rush there like crazy and never regret doing so they still have a better standard of living compared to when they were in Africa.

The fact that africans do well abroad, shows its not the people, but the system they found themselves.

Your "white people " were once slaves to morrocans, infact the words is a reference to slavic people. Until 500 yrs ago they still throw shit on the street.


White people are just Black people with no melanin, don't cut yourself short.

In my opinion, Christians have the bad habit of trying to defend and speak for God, rather than let the God do His thing through the scripture. As a result, they disrupted and complicated the message.

Now the question is with objective translation of the Bible, how much of the Faith really stands?


Here are videos of Christian scholars being courageous with their scrutiny of the Faith and bible:


Bbc:The Bible is mostly not factual


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mRYiplTf3I?si=RUAvtLdCtBwEy5m0

Why Bible scholars leave christianity:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnFkvQ__TO8?si=TFf04yGD2zJaa37o


Trinity under scrutiny


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvLBJBeMl8?si=gyP-tAd1ZKDc_OVv


A Christian failed attempts to justify the 66 Canons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGqsyKO9EwU?si=XjId8O-heBq3PKiE

Skooltynz:


In what way can you explain?
I mean with facts no sentiments.
I am only calling on the black race to wake up and face the world,we being sleeping for too long and our very existence is threatened.

I think the Black race is awake just fine. The white race supremacy thing is a hoax. White countries that are poor dont think much different from african countries that are poor. Romanians, belarusians, fight over family land just like Indians, and Africans who are poor.


We're all humans separated by access to resources.

Skooltynz:


Una no like truth

Well, if you don't know. It is racist and self-deprecating.

Black men have helped shaped the modern world in a way that white men could only dream of and probably will never do. Don't project your self-hate on people out here.

Skooltynz:
When the white has problems he looks to science first and if science first before looking to God,when a Blackman has a problem he looks to the God first and later to the white mans solution.

That's surprisingly racist

Kobojunkiee:
Neither the God of Israel nor Jesus Christ, His Son, mandated any man or woman to become fools for them. So your Christian delusion is not based on the Scripture of the Israelites but on the vomit of your gods your men.

You sound defeated. Why don't you argue with Christian scholars, who, unlike you, have dedicated their life's work to studying the text?

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Don't chicken out readers. Of what use is a faith that can't be tested?


In exploring the relationship between Christian faith and rationality, one cannot ignore the challenges posed by critical scholarship on the Bible's integrity.

Scholars like Bart Ehrman, Bruce Metzger, and others have highlighted how the Bible, a central text of Christianity, has undergone numerous changes and alterations over centuries.

Ehrman, for instance, points out that scribes who copied the scriptures introduced mistakes and intentional changes that could alter the theological content of the Bible. Metzger, while less skeptical, still acknowledged the existence of these textual variants, raising questions about the Bible's reliability.

John Dominic Crossan and Elaine Pagels delve even deeper into how the early Christian community may have shaped the Gospels and excluded certain texts to fit specific theological agendas. This suggests that the Bible is not just a divine revelation but also a product of human influence and political power dynamics.

Walter Bauer's work further argues that what we now consider orthodox Christianity emerged from a struggle among various competing beliefs, with the dominant group shaping the New Testament to reflect their views.

Given these insights, embracing Christianity may sometimes require setting aside rational scrutiny to maintain faith. The notion that key elements of Christian doctrine might stem from later additions, mythological borrowings, or even fabrications—as suggested by scholars like Robert M. Price and Richard Carrier—challenges the idea of the Bible as an unaltered divine message. Instead, it prompts believers to confront the possibility that their sacred text has been shaped by human hands.

To be "a fool for God," as some might put it, is to embrace faith even when rationality urges skepticism. This tension between faith and reason lies at the heart of Christianity, demanding that believers sometimes accept doctrines and narratives that, under critical examination, might seem uncertain or even contradictory.

Thus, the very act of faith in Christianity might involve a conscious decision to prioritize spiritual belief over rational evidence, embracing a divine truth that transcends the imperfections of its human transmission.