Ikpunekenwa:


Keep calling christians as if christians follow una go kill israelis,
Keep calling anyone who is against islamic terrorism christians,
Keep calling christians whenever your arses are pummelled for terrorising others,
Idiots, who told you I am a christian, it is your pig prophet mohammad that caused all these.
So those israeli children your islamic terrorists killed ain't people's kids, how do you dumb and daft muslims reason, how do you mean unproportionate, so you mean, if you kill 5 israeli children they should kill only 5 muslims?
Tell hamas to come out and fight like men and stop using children as shields, tell your dog allahic moronic hamas to leave the back of women and children and come out to fight, was it how your worthless deluded prophet was fighting, no wonder he was busy raping children up and down, that is why hamas and you people including your father have no regard for children.
Morons.

Like i said previously, you have no clue about how the world works, from your talk everything you know seem to be based off of social media or US news.

You fools believe the people that returned hostages smiling and waving, would harm people's kids?


Israel isn't bombing mosque or muslim Arabs alone. Christian kids and priests are also under the rubble. Direct descendants of your bible figures and apostles. And when they are done with arab land, guess the weakest link? Africa. The imperialists are coming for your massive land mass unlike ever before. Continue to cheer your impending destruction.

Ikpunekenwa:


Then stop forcing us to believe in your own belief if you are timid to accommodate others expressing theirs.

The israelis that were killed aren't innocent right?

Another insincere pro Hamas terrorist question. War isn’t about equality. War isn’t about proportional responses. Hamas, the government of Gaza, started a war they couldn’t win on the battlefield. They focused on attacking civilians, not military targets. They took hostages. Hamas hides behind civilians, in schools and in hospitals. All of these actions are war crimes. Attacking the enemy who is committing these war crimes is not a war crime. Pro terrorist people like yourself ignore the massive deaths, including to Palestinians, happening in numerous other countries, while complaining only about Israel.

Hamas has the power to end the violence at any time. All they have to do is return the hostages, accept Israel’s existence, renounce violence and begin negotiations for a 2 state solution. Hamas won’t do that. The government of Gaza doesn’t want peace. In fact, the government of Gaza doesn’t believe it has any responsibility for the safety or well being of its citizens. Pro terrorist people like yourself refuse to accept that truth.

People complain about Israel on the basis of collective justice, because no where else is kids killed like in Isreal's proportion, before and after oct. 7.

It's not a black and white matter as ignorant Christians are led to believe. Christians and other non-muslim semites of palestine are equally victims of Isreal's extremism and your online noise is encouraging loss if lives.

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Christians low key think the issue in the gaza strip is some prophesy at play. But whatever God directs to the merciless killing of harmless people, kids, and livestock, is the embodiment of evil and the devil.



Whichever Christian belief killing kids is justified is clearly a devil worshipper, and whatever heaven is promised with such is hell without doubt.

Ikpunekenwa:


So you are not a terrorist but calling for the ceasefire of those who started a war and when it is against them they want it to stop, what were they thinking when they killed 1200 israelis, until hamas surrenders the war willl not finish.

Tell your islamic brothers to release the hostages, and surrender unconditionally while submitting all their leaders for summary execution, if not not a single life will remain in gaza, hope you understood them?

You're naive kid or at most an adult with no clue about how the world works.


You can continue to believe palestinians are guilty, because they are born arabs or muslims, but then you have no right to point fingers when others believe you're african and an underdeveloped primate. Everybody can believe whatever right?

clockwisereport:
Israel, antidote to terrorism

Who controls the news controls the lives of you puppets.

I bet your primary news source is CNN, BBC, and Fox.


Arabs are terrorist and you believe it.
When they say you're filthy and less human as a black , don't blame those who also believe it.

davies:
All hail israel... God's own country

Same god of old, killing people, babies and donkeys for land. Same lunatic god whose house isnt even in order.

Michael547:

How do we know that God is absolute?

What if God is not absolute and he needs support From other uncreated Gods?

How do we even know that this God was not created by Another God And so on and so forth?

Then you'll fall into unending questions with no hope of solution.


I'd rather believe a version that seems most probable, which is:

There's an absolute God that manages the whole universe down to the tiniest creature(just imagine the intelligence and amazing build of a mosquito) .

Michael547:

I'm only asking a question pertaining to what you are teaching me here.
You've said that there is only one Uncreated God.
And my question is Why can't there be two or more uncreated Gods?

Your answer is in my previous response. It's reasonable to presume there can only be one God. If there are more, he cannot be absolute.


Having a second or third or fourth would mean the god needs support.

Michael547:


If Your One God ideology is that he was not created, Why can't two or more Gods be said to not have been created and have a beginning?

You'd have to give a reason you think that is. I gavę you mine, do the same as well.

Michael547:

So you mean that Two or more Gods cannot ensure that there is perfection in our imperfect and chaotic universe?

Highly unlikely, because that would imply such beings must have been created. A God can't have a beginning.

Michael547:

Alright...let's go with that.

but how do you know that God is one and a supreme entity, everlasting, and without weakness or anything to lose?

This is the only possible triat of a God that would explain the perfect order in our imperfect and chaotic universe.


The Christian god, according to the bible can't fully manage a garden, how much more the EARTH or universe. His authority was challenged, God ought to be too great for such enfrontry.

The devil and his army did failą in their coup attempt, but they tried because they really fancied their chances.

Michael547:


Alright......where did you get the information in bold from?

And how do we know that there is a God actually?

It's impossible that all these has no creator. Science doesn't have enough to disprove it.

Michael547:

Then what is it?
Let's move away from Christianity....we don't even have to mention that word again in our conversation.

Now, this is an interesting question.

What is truth.

First that God is one and a supreme entity, everlasting, and without weakness or anything to lose.


Orthodox Christianity seem consistent with this idea of God, until paul ruined it with his desperate Trinity idelogies.

Michael547:

So you mean that up till now you've not found the truth?

Apparently, it's not Christianity.

Michael547:

You claimed that Christianity is false, you may actually be right. There is no need defending what is false.
I believe you must know the truth for you to determine that Christianity is false...I am only asking that you share the truth with us.

I'm no preacher. In the continuous search for truth, Christianity is struck out at least. I study things and share what experts say on it.

If you agree with the experts, good for you, if you don't, off you go.

Michael547:

Do You mean you share negative opinion on a religion and you keep the opinion of the true religion from others?
Would that actually be setting people free?

You are free to share whatever your opinion is on a public forum.

I hate when Christians get all insecure and defensive instead of sfanding up for themselves. You're asking so you can find sth to argue as a basis for bias. You're not getting nothing out of me.

Michael547:

Alright.....do you believe in any true religion outside Christianity? If yes, which one?

It's personal, and with respect, it's absolutely none of your business. I share why i hold an opinion on a topic and others share theirs.

For some within Christendom, scholarly corrections may be perceived as threats to the integrity of the faith, particularly when they seem to contradict long-held beliefs or official church teachings.

For example, New Testament scholars like Bert Ehrman maintains that Jesus cannot be God, pointing to the fact that it is only in the gospel of john that Jesus starts calling himself god, as opposed to the 6 earlier Sources.

Ehrman doesn't hold this belief alone. He shares it with many other scholars, and the video link is also available below.

I am personally convinced that if a billion Christians get a fair hearing on these matters, if they ask questions and get objective response, the population will be less than 5% of what it is now.

Videos below:


For those concerned about why I make these posts. I don't have any problem with Christians. Like many Africans, I have family members who are Christians because they were born in it. I do this for them because they held the faith without knowledge, and a little scrutiny is what Christianity needs to fall apart. I have achieved my aim with them, and now I'm extending the hand to people.



Learning Christianity outside the church will shake you to your core. No one should gate-keep knowledg just so people dont leave a religion.



Videos.



Erhman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C96FPHRTuQU?si=V9XCry8zDqtiw0nC


Other videos of bible scholars :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnFkvQ__TO8?si=TFf04yGD2zJaa37o

DatNiggaDaz:


We are under MU-MU dispensation of Tinubulation. Hope you all know what MU-MU means.

The attack on Christians since MU-MU came on board must be seen as an onslaught by those who supported the MU-MU ticket.

Whoever wrote this propaganda is a Muslim. Believe it.

The MU-MU thoughts is in between the lines. They want to execute the Türkise template in Nigeria, where the want Islmam to be the only religion in Nigeria, hence the numerous attacks on Christians & their places of worship.

No body is taking the MU-MU serious

Don't worry, it's turn by turn. Today is Christians' turn. Emilokan will reach many people.

Also, you Christians really do have an Islam obsession. It's cute

Tolumiide:


To begin with, you don't have a character, your profile suggest that. Attacking other people's believe also further your lack of character. You don't even know anything about religions in the world. All you have is your pre-writing answers to possible questions.

You have a mission

Womp Womp

Why does it matter? Is it so you can see something to latch onto to dismiss my points?



Also, all info shared are public info. Nothing New or special, Christians are just mentally blocking it to cope.


Things like :
-Bible authors being anonymous unvetted anybodies.
-Paul Game of Throning the overall gospel.
-Paul self-claiming encounter that the apostles hate him for.
-Verses all bungled up.
-Jesus geneology being from joseph when it should be Mary's.


All Public stuffs

Tolumiide:


You're helping me already brother, if you think Christianity should not be an option, then you should have an option, let us see if it's a better one.

Ohh sorry, I just checked your profile and I now understand you better.

For someone like you, no evidence would be enough because you have a mission.

Character assasination instead of a conversational. Have you read my interaction with people who actually have something to say and aren't just whining?

Tolumiide:
My brother @whyai, looking at the Title of your Thread and your point that you believe that God exists. It's just that you don't see Christianity as an option.
You can share other good options with us, let's look at it together, sincerely, alot of people have alot of questions about religion, you could be helping someone.
These are my options, accordingly
1) Christianity
2) Sikhism
3) Jainism
4) Buddhism

Share yours

Cant help you, sorry.

trutharena:


So what is the meaning of the thread?

Dont ask me, read like the rest.

Tolumiide:


The verse I quoted above. The devil's aim was to be like the most high, he knew he couldn't displaced him.
I'm certain you would love to interpret it downside up or as it pleases you.

Which Isiah are you reading from? Abi you wan invent your own verse?


The same Isiah 14:12-15 that I quoted in this chat already?

trutharena:
Why should it not be an option? You wan kpai all xtians?

So out of all the reasonable points your fellow adults are putting forward. Killing and genocide was the only thing your brain settled for.

Go get help.

Validated:

The fools say there is no God

I didn't post about whether there is no God. I posted that it is impossible for God to be the one described by the christian bible.

Tolumiide:


.. but he acknowledged that the Most High can't be defeated. ( correcting your view of a coup).

Where, in which verse?

advanceDNA:
so..?? What has not acting alone got to do with his intention ....the text said he's the gang leader...other were just riding on his deceptive and pride-driven mandate.....The others probably believed him because of his position .... Imagine the senate president planning a coup....being a member of the senate others could Believe him compared to a random local government chairman trying to do the same

must have known?? You funny....This is fallacy of hasty conclusion....their is no evidence for this claim...its not even a plausible conclusion.

Anyways...What the devil knew as u claim or thought doesn't matter....... Pride as recorded likely made him thought he could deafet his boss ....this i feel is the plausible explanation for his move as the bible records that he was perfect before he allowed pride take him over to think he would ascend the throne of God


Like I said.....What he thought doesn't matter in this context because he was wrong.....isnt it clearly evident from his defeat.??...he couldn't even defeat the remaining co angels



The bible is a merged account of different people who encountered God in different ways ......it's was merged for collective reference ....it ddnt really need to be merged if u ask me......in those days ...the books were stored in scrolls separately

Until u encounter God urself like those whose accounts were recorded.....all u have is religion or bandwagon followership... Bible or no bible

If it is hasty fallacy to conclude that a power (particularly with a claim of being the ultimate), which can be confronted in a coup is not infallible. Don't you think it is ridiculous to base faith on the fact that such story as a whole could be true.

This is just one aspect of inconsistency in the nature of the biblical god.

Your defence has fallen apart in my opinion and dismissing my point as fallacy doesn't suffice.

advanceDNA:
so..?? What has not acting alone got to do with his intention ....the text said he's the gang leader...other were just riding on his deceptive and pride-driven mandate.....The others probably believed him because of his position .... Imagine the senate president planning a coup....being a member of the senate others could Believe him compared to a random local government chairman trying to do the same

must have known?? You funny....This is fallacy of hasty conclusion....their is no evidence for this claim...its not even a plausible conclusion.

Anyways...What the devil knew as u claim or thought doesn't matter....... Pride as recorded likely made him thought he could deafet his boss ....this i feel is the plausible explanation for his move as the bible records that he was perfect before he allowed pride take him over to think he would ascend the throne of God


Like I said.....What he thought doesn't matter in this context because he was wrong.....isnt it clearly evident from his defeat.??...he couldn't even defeat the remaining co angels



The bible is a merged account of different people who encountered God in different ways ......it's was merged for collective reference ....it ddnt really needed to be merged if u ask me......in those days ...the books were stored in scrolls separately

Until u encounter God urself like those whose accounts were recorded.....all u have is religion or bandwagon wagon followership... Bible or no bible

1. Bible is the merger of various Accounts. Which means the authors would be vetted for it to be acceptable? If you dont know the authors, how then were they vetted and their writings divine?

2. According to the Bible, the angels who acted with him also have free will and are rational. If they are influenced by the devil, then they would have a shared conception of a weakness they could capitalize upon.

3. By your house of senate reference, you are affirming that the Bible's heavenly leadership structure is earthly, therefore without an absolute power ir perhaps such that can be threatened.

If the Bible's god's heaven is so disfunctional, another battle in heaven could be under way, so he cant be all powerful.


This cant be the analogy of an all powerful God. The only way for christianity to be truthful is to affirm the Bible as being corrupted, hence the corrupted image of the Christian god.

Then, people can find their God elsewhere.

advanceDNA:

Proud pple always have an inflated sense of self .....so yeah....like adolf hitler, the devil can try thinking he can win when he actually cant..

weakling?? not sure what your context is here.....because one creation decides to rebel makes God a weakling?? How? We humans on earth here rebel all the time...u are making it sound like a bigger deal what the devil did.......creations have free will right? ....


It's is my opinion that God omniscient capacity doesnt mean he knows his creation's final decision...why did i say this? I mean, You cannot give total free will (the ability to do whatever you want) to each creation and also have the right to know the creations final decision on a matter....that's wont be free will

My opinion is what God sees or knows in his omniscient capacity is all the possible outcomes / decisions you can make concerning an issue.... E.g...if are lusting after a woman... There are many possible outcomes from that lust...assuming its 4...
1.you approach the lady & sleep with her
2..you rápe her...
3..you ignore your lust and move on
4. You kill her because u angry u can't get her....

God sees and knows all these 4 outcomes even before you choose but what u will do eventually is totally up to you alone because that's what free will truly means...

Which is why I also believe it was said about Abraham "now I know you truly fear me" (Gen. 22:12).



Anyone who believes God only because of what he reads in the Bible or becos of what some pastor said is just doing religion or bandwagon followership
There were no books or Bible written about God thousands of years ago.....yet people somehow encountered God..like abraham, isaac, moses, etc.. . And that little aspect of God they encountered (referred to as conviction) is usually enough to carry them for one life time

Interesting response. Except that there are apparent flaws in it.

1. The devil didn't act alone.
2. Unlike Hitler and the Nazis, the devil and his fellow rebels must have known that the described god is all powerful.
3. According to Isiah 14:12-15. He really thought they had a chance to usurp the dominion of heaven. The devil didnt do it just to spite the authority of the God for the sakė of free will. There is an under tone of "see - finish". The worst is he communicated this to others and helped them see reason.
4. If a book is supposedly divine and a message from a God, it should be taken seriously and also be able to address critical assessment in a way that is not self-contradictory like an ordinary book.

drlateef:



Don’t worry dude. Just believe that “for God so loved the world and he brings his only forgotten son….bla bla bla….”. Thats all you need, okay!!!

Imagine, he almost lost His kingdom to coup, like a mere earthly king, then had to appease his creation, by sacrificing sth dear to him:not even animal or hectares of land, but a supposed son, who is supposed to run heaven alongside him.

That is some Greek Zeus bullshit.