OdenigboAroli2:
Of course the man has no class, a blind illiterate man content in his squalor has no bizness ruling Nigeria

efilefun:
No wonder you got "ODE" in ur moniker

fyneboi79:
How f00lish u sound. Yet u are in abject poverty while Gej squanders Nigerias wealth. buf00n!!

doxime:
is it ignorance or lack of comprehension...
this is a farm house not a residential building.
Buhari have houses in Daura,Kaduna and Abuja and probably Lagos.
Note; ï didn't say there is anything wrong with that.

Nobi today farm house yansh don tay for back

DProDG:
To avoid excessive repetition, I'm gonna try to be concise.

Basically, you argument is that the concept of omnipotence does not create a paradox and the reason given is...

I never did say it does not create a paradox. I think I said, dont tie God in with it. Anyway, other than the reason given and because it is DOA

DProDG:
The only difference is that you wrongly use the words 'inconclusive' rather than 'illogical'.

I beg to differ, sorry 'inconclusive' and 'illogical' are not interchangeable words
the former is undecided, the latter is senseless

DProDG:
I don't know why, especially since you concede that the concept of your God is illogical If an entity contains/depends on as much as one illogical attribute, the whole is in essence illogical. #logic101

I have corrected you before on what I said.
Why you insist, again, in putting words in my mouth, I dont know why
I know what I wrote. I said "Bottom line, a lot of things about GOD are illogical"
and NEVER SAID the concept of 'God' is itself "illogical".
I DID NOT concede that the idea of God is illogical
That is a wholly chimerical thought you allowed played out in your mind

Reiterating, well the irony is that there are quite a lot of things about GOD, we humans find illogical
For example, giving birth after menopause, immaculate conception, etc

DProDG:
And just to clarify, 'inconclusive' assumes that a logical choice can emerge after prolonged consideration.

You assume too much my friend
'Inconclusive' is 'inconclusive' period,
inconclusive means unable to reach a decision or an answer cannot be made
as in this case, God is hypothetically lifting mountains, earlier thought He cant lift

DProDG:
In addition, you have constantly equated such to a Sisyphean Task which does not involve any logical deduction whatsoever nor follows the second premise, ie, creating an immovable stone.

Yes I did, my hands are up.
I did and do so because the Sisyphean Task is the reality spicing up the "logic" or the Omnipotence paradox

DProDG:
And finally, although you did say you are not holding on to this position based on the religious implications, you went on to say "the paradox doesn't gel with God"; which is oxymoronic because it is almost as if you acknowledge the paradox but exclude your god from logical bounds and at the same time insist there is no paradox in the first place. So which is it?

You have a lot to catch up with, if you dont realise that from the onset and to start with, the Omnipotence paradox, tying God in it is oxymoronic and pointedly foolish

DProDG:
By the way, your example, though paradoxical, cannot produce a premise nor conclusion so comparison is impossible.

That is exactly the point am trying to get your attention to.
The example given is the reality that exposes your logic and Omnipotence paradox to be pointedly foolish or wise
I beg to differ that "comparison is impossible", as we hypothetically did compare Him not able to lift a mountain when He did lift it and so had to create another one and have us watch to see Him lift or not lift it

Remember:
The cycle or repetition, goes on, constantly repeating over and over again, indefinitely as in on to infinity
Soon realise this is a never ending task
and you wont get an answer to your question because it is an unending and futile task asked off God by OP

The question of God creating something He cant move, is unnecessary,
as there is no outcome capable of producing any useful answer or response the OP anticipates

DProDG:
And just to be recap my stance(this 'argument' is somewhat confusing now)... just like the question revealed, the concept of 'omnipotence' itself, is illogical. You can choose to insist, just like YojuLojuWindow did, that it is an attribute of your God, but there is no honest way of asserting that it is (logical).

cc ihedinobi2, AllNaijaBlogger
The honest way will be to hypothetically put God to the test,
hypothetically let Him create a mountain He cant lift and wait for the outcome
and this we did with the ever going on example

This time for real, I've unfollowed this thread. We can only agree to disagree DProDG.

DProDG:
Let me break this down

No! Dont bother with a needless breaking it down
I prefer you do a breakdance or stick to breaking eggs for making an omelette though

DProDG:
Omnipotence in a nutshell
- Premise 1: X can do anything (logically) possible.
- Premise 2: X can create a stone no one can lift.
- Conclusion: X cannot lift the stone, hence negating the first premise.

You're as stubborn as a mule and unable to stick to the original question
You wouldnt be bringing in the above arguments, if you arent confuse about the meaning of Omnipotence.

DProDG:
This question shows you still have no understanding of the word 'paradox'.

You are so presuming that one doesn't know because one is not dancing to the beat of your drum nor Averroes' drum

DProDG:
In fact, you probably don't even know what you are arguing for/against.

You do realise I had unfollowed this thread, so thank you for drawing me out of retiring from unfollowing it
and for giving me the opportunity to publicly reveal what this all about, particularly with you.
I am against you tying the Omnipotence paradox
in other words the original question "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?" with God

DProDG:
By definition, a paradox results in no logical conclusion which we both agree on.

and a paradox also results in "He can" or "He cannot", so if the latter is chosen then it contradicts the omnipotency
You are just as stubborn as a mule in not willing to agree that God retains his omnipotence
as God will continually all over again, be lifting each stone, created heavy enough earlier thought He cant lift

DProDG:
I was the one that gave the definition so once again,

Facepalm. You are right, you did first, give the definition. Must have hsd a blurred vision and missed it when I earlier read it. Sorry about that amigo.

DProDG:
you end up looking confused about what you argument really is.
How does this put me at a "disadvantage"? It is the basis of what we are both saying.

The "disadvantage" my friend, is that "senseless, logically unacceptable, self-contradictory" suits a "He cannot" answer
but in this we have an undecided answer because the task keeps repeating itself unendingly, in a Sisyphean manner if you like

DProDG:
And now what both you and ihedinobi2 are crucially missing.
This is an argument based on pure logic and yet you bring up something totally unrelated?

Exactly DProDG, believe this, we both are familiar with this logic
which is why we are saying you can have fun with the logic
but it really has got nothing on God

DProDG:
What does the Sisyphean Task have to do with logic?
The monologue you presented is not even founded on the first premise nor the second.

Ah-ha! Ah-ha!! You've just smelled the coffee
The Sisyphean Task is the reality spicing up the logic
I would have done same too with Averroes if he were here

DProDG:
Simply 'God' creating an endless cycle of stones that he CAN lift.

Yes, as the proof of the pudding is in the eating
so God creates a stone, thought He cant lift but bingo, He lifted it
now an endless cycle of creating and lifting ensues to find the answer to the question

DProDG:
Once again you define a 'paradox' and the funny part is that you insist that it isn't,
because... its result is 'inconclusive' which is the essence of a...paradox.
You are basically just being stubborn for some unknown reason about the term to use.

No, just saying an "undecided answer" is not self contradicting yet, as this is an ongoing task nowhere near to contradicting an Omnipotent

DProDG:
So it turns out that the sole reason you refuse to acknowledge the Omnipotence Paradox is because of the religious implications, big surprise.

I dont do "religious implications" DProDG.
Go out on a limb DProDG, try something different, try faith sometime,
when you do try faith, you'll be in a good & positive way delightfully surprised...

DProDG:
Then again, you acknowledge that the concept of 'God' is itself "illogical".

Dont put words in my mouth
I know what I wrote. I said "Bottom line, a lot of things about GOD are illogical"
and didnt say the concept of 'God' is itself "illogical".

DProDG:
There's just too much oxymoron in that.

Well the irony is that there are quite a lot of things about GOD we humans find illogical
For example, giving birth after menopause, immaculate conception, etc

DProDG:
From the above, it's almost certain that you're not ready for a logical argument
and will rather argue to support what you admit isn't logical

For the umpteenth time, this isnt about arguing
but rather it's about putting a 12 century record straight that the paradox doesnt gel with God

DProDG:
but just in case you have a change of mind,

You need a change of mind more than I do
Practice what you preach to loosen up the straitjacket you're strapped into

DProDG:
like I've asked before, simply give an example of a paradox for a comparison

Ready to help. Ready and willing to serve you
This is one example of a paradox for your comparison:
"If you didn't get this message, call me."

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DProDG:
Unless you can distinguish it from the rest, I hope these examples help you understand.

ihedinobi2:
Your paradoxes are all rather meaningless statements too.
In any case, even the meaning of paradox does not do you good.
If it seems self-contradictory, senseless and logically unacceptable why assume that it isn't?

@DProDG. We will know if it really is a paradox, if you share what conclusion you arrived at concerning the original question:
"Can almighty God create a task that's so huge even he can't do?"

Your paradox definition, was countered with ANOTHER and IMPARTIAL paradox definition hinging on "a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory"
You chose not to proffer this definition version obviously because the "...a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory" bit puts you at a disadvantage

For a moment DProDG, quit lying down facing where everyone's facing
You dont seem to be getting that the innocently asked question has nothing to do with the almighty "The omnipotence paradox" because it will get an undecided answer because of the assigned "Sisyphean Task"

GOD: Hey I cant lift this mountain
GOD: Oops, I just had
GOD: Let me create a bigger size I cant lift
GOD: Whoops. Done it again, I've just lifted it.
GOD: OK, let's create another bigger size I cant lift
GOD: Whoopsy daisy, I've done it again and lifted this one too
GOD: Here we go again, creating a much bigger than the previous bigger
GOD: Wow, easy peasy lemon squeezy, another one bites the dust, I just lifted that one too
GOD: Hang on, this "Can God Create A Mountain That God Can't Move?" seems like a Sisyphean task, it's a cycle that never ends
GOD: Bet you're never going to find out if I can or I cant, as we'll be here doing this "create-lift repetitions" for ever

DProDG do you not know? Have you not heard? Great is God! No one can measure His greatness.
There is no binary answer to that question. No "Yes He can" or "No he cant".
It's a Jury-Is-Out undecided answer. Inconclusive!

After you've taken a moment to reflect on the above, next, hear me clearly, now if the question were, to be an irresponsibly asked or mischevious one, well, you can, then much to your delight begin fantasizing it with an almighty "The omnipotence paradox"

Once you come to UNDERSTAND that "The omnipotence paradox" has no place in a responsibly asked question, then, you will retract it and asked to be excused for your faux pas

DProDG just let it rest, as GOD is unsearchable, God is not subject to time, not subject to measuring, not subject not subject to any of paraded or fanciful paradoxes

Bottom line, a lot of things about GOD are illogical, so forget the thought of and about fraternising "logical paradoxes" with God. Biko.
To anyone following the herd, this thread has just been unfollowed

DProDG:
Paradox
-a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true.
"the uncertainty principle leads to all sorts of paradoxes, like the particles being in two places at once"

-a statement or proposition which, despite sound (or apparently sound) reasoning from acceptable premises, leads to a conclusion that seems logically unacceptable or self-contradictory.
"the liar paradox"

-a person or thing that combines contradictory features or qualities.

I really do not see what the argument is here. Apparently, we both agree on everything except the term used to describe it

Glad that "we both agree on everything" but here is another and impartial definition of paradox

Paradox
- a question statement or proposition that, despite sound (or apparently sound) reasoning from acceptable premises, leads to a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory

Why it is not a paradox, is that, we are unable to say, Yes or No,
and so therefore, the question asked is not necessarily a paradox then

Seemingly senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory question IS NOT the same as undecided, not known, dont know etcetera.

The answer to the question or matter is up in the air, undecided, not known etc
The jury is still out.

Buonsenso:
Oby Ezekwesili, Was asking for empirical evidence

well, here is a VIDEO, AUDIO,AND PICTURES EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

From 22;53 mins upwards she even makes fun of OBJ.
She mimics OBJ voice;
just come, he told me, just come, i will get my wife to look after you..more like you will get me in your palace.

OBJ is finished, he will soon deny this woman and sack her

pls, dont quote me if you dont have data to watch it. this is damning

Trailblazer1:
Aunty Oby, shebi na you ask for emperical evidence? Come and see for yourself.
More are still on the way

Naivety because of "long throat",
What a so very damning covert recording it is