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WOW, have you never heard of False prophets? The bible tells nothing about an immortal soul or an everlasting hell. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html |
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What are you talking about ![]() Anymore questions about hell? Oh, and look at this: http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html |
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Right, the Hebrew word for "hell" is Sheol, Hades, or Tartarus. The meaning: Grave or Pit. (the Greek word is Hades: meaning the same thing.) The bible teaches that death is like a sleep, [this is just one simple example]:Psalm 13:3 "Look on me and answer, O LORD my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death;" The other word: Tartarus (Greek): This is meaning a dark abyss, a gloomy place, a pit. A example of this word would be: 2 Petter 2:4"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (original word: Tartaus) , and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" I think this is kinda funny. he tells us he sent them to the grave (hell, or tartarus), waiting for the judgment. Yet people still believe that when you die you immediately go to Heaven or Hell (<- tormented for eternity). (Words in Hebrew and Greek are like words in English, they have different minings at different times and in different contexts. ) |
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What about the angles? where they not created by the lord also? I think it ultimately comes down to faith. You ether believe he created you, or you don't. |
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ummm, well the first mention of the word "hell" is in the book of Matthew[5:22]. Can you explain what you mean by "rooted"? <added-- some of this might seem out of context --> The main concept of hell, [being tormented for eternity], came from Greek mythology, so Its "roots" started there I am sure. The bible says "you seek and you shall find" and people look at Luke 16 [I talk about it later] and say this is how hell is going to be, but in truth, there opinion is [or can me considered] biased. They are looking for proof that hell is the way that they think, and the mind can twist things so that it can become "proof". [naturally] Your mind looks for a pattern and is seeking for something to be added to what they where raised to believe. You have to study the bible with an open mind, and don't let your past or how you were raised effect the way you see something, be prepared to be corrected my the bible. [sorry I just had to add that, sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, but I believe this to be true]<added> The book of Revelations is talking about then end of times, destruction of sin, and the coming of Jesus Christ. So no doubt that it talks about the lake of fire[Hell], and how Satan and all of the people that followed him are thrown in. But a lot of people talk about the book of Luke [chapter 16:19-31 the parable: The rich man and lazarus] and say that this is how hell is going to be. But IT IS A PARABLE, they can't be taken literal. |
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"claim that it wan't for humans: [talking about hell?]" Hell was made for humans. Hell is our original destination. Because of Eve and Adam sin was brought into this world and man became corrupted, our natural desire is to sin, there for our designation is hell if we do not repent and become a new creation in God. James 1:13-15: "[13] Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. [14] But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. [15] Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death." ", HIS OWN DESIRES, " this is the natural thing for man. God can not look at sin, and for him to fulfill his promises, and make the earth new, sin has to be done away with. Can you tell me in the bible were it says hell was not made for humans? and what do you mean by "those that love him or loved him would end up there."? God promisis that if you belive in his son [Jesus Christ] then you will go to the kingdom of heaven, and be there when the world is made new. |
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What do you mean? I think this is just whats going to happen, MOST of the people are going to fall, and only the ones that love him will be with him in the Heavenly kingdom. Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." It is what is easer to do [the broad gate]. |
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lol, the purpose of the Sabbath is for rest, and also to worship him. "There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD." Leviticus 23:3 So, your saying that you can sanctify and make "any day you wish" the sabbath? Look at it: "I will GIVE you rest" through the Sabbath day, Even Jesus celebrated the Sabbath: Luke 4:16 "He [Jesus] went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read." Didn't Jesus say that he wasn't coming to "abolish the Law"? Therefor he did not change it and it will never be changed. Matthew 5:17-19 "[17]"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [18]I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. [19]Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." And even after Jesus's death and after he went to Heaven people still celebrated the Sabbath: Hebrews 4:9-10 "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; [10] for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." understand now? 1 Like |
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"The LAW was made for man not man for the law" I think that when Jesus said this he was saying it wasn't going to be easy. Not to stop calibrating the sabbath. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there" This is true, but The Sabbath is a holy, sanctified day, witch God set apart from the week so that we might rest and worship him. I guess it is your choice. Careful though James said: "For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker." James 2:11 If you brake one law (keeping the sabbath day) then you brake all of them, therefor you are living in sin. @ mama-gee 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 1 Like |
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This is just to clarify what Hell is before I answer your question: OK, The hell that most Christians imagine is based on Greek mythology. Burning for eternity and being constantly punished for a life that you didn't give to God. Now it is true that God punishes you for not believing in his son (Jesus Christ- and God. They are one in the same after all.) But that punishment isn't for eternity! Nowhere in the bible does it say that hell is "everlasting". It does say "Forever" but DO research, the Hebrew word "Forever" didn't mean eternity. It meant from (whenever it started) to the time there life ended. (the word consisted and was limited to a beginning point and an ending point: e.g: They were born into the world and they worked forever, till they died.) So at the end God will resurrect you (not you but the evil person(s)), and then the bible tells us that all of the evil doers (anyone thats name was not found in the book of life) and Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire. This is called the second death, DEATH, DEEAATH! not a second LIFE, where you are tormented for eternity. But the end of your life. A lot of people say "What about the soul, I was taught that the soul couldn't die?" Well, I think the bible is pretty clear on what a soul is, and yes it can die. Gen 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." THE MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL! So can the "soul" live without the body? NO! Body + Gods breath = A live person/ a living soul. And Yes the fire's of hell can destroy the body and the breath of God. Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (When he says "Cannot kill the soul" he is saying (well going off of the fact) that your "soul", the breath of God. Gos back up to him (In Heaven) till the second coming and the resurrection. Yes, he does resurrect your body. Doesn't the bible use examples? He resurrected Jesus! and if your argument was that he was a "spirit", then how can the people touch him? How could they see him for that matter? Did God not resurrect his BODY? Did they not find Jesus's tomb EMPTY!? And YES! hell is "consistent with the concepts of an omnibenevolent, just, and moral God"!!! He gave/ is giving you a chance!!! Give your life to God! He is JUST, look, he told them/ warned (warning) them of the world (throw the bible) He says that there will be justice, everyone (and everything) that was/is evil will be destroyed. Thank you, and God bless. |
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@pilgrim.1 I believe that rest and salvation is in Christ. Doesn't the bible give the Commandment: "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you." Deuteronomy 5:12 , ? you said: "The true Sabbath is not a day - not any day." Now I don't know about you, but it seems to me that it is a day. And the LORD calls us to worship him on that day: "There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD." Leviticus 23:3 Many people try to say "well, how do you know that the seventh day of the week is Saturday? Couldn't/didn't the calender get messed up or something? how do you know its the right day?" I don't know about you but my calender starts with Sunday (therefor it is considered the first day of the week) that makes Saturday the last and seventh day of the week (Sabbath). IF IT WERE CHANGED THEN WE CAN TRUST IN GOD. He doesn't judge you on what you don't know |
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"but who among the kids, youths and adult are the prime target of the devil?" Are you asking for names? The bible tells us that he (Satan) will make war against the people of god. "Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army." Revelation 19:18-20 (the rider is considered Jesus if you do not know) There are more texts but this is the one off the top of my head. |
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LOL, What is wrong with mating with a bird? "'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion." leviticus 18:23 |
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