Zikkyy:

Nope.

Ihedinobi:
You have not in any way founded all these reports on the Bible. You have not shown how a Christian's opening the door to the enemy is something different from coming under the power of the enemy. You have not shown how even that "opening the door" is possible from the Bible.

Ptolomeus: Excellent thread, my friend!
It is contradictory that the vast majority of the "possessed" are just Christians...
The question that arises is this: the Christian God does not protect its devotees? The Christian god has no power to care for their children from the dangers of Satan?
I never understood that.
I do not understand why a God so powerful, is fighting for thousands of years against Satan, unable to overcome ...
I suitable to send a fraternal embrace, dear friend!

Knight1: ;
2. @Jo.....A Christian CAN be sick....example 1. Elisha died of sickness, he was a prophet and before anyone attacks his later life...mere contact with his bones made someone come back to life.
example 2. 2nd timothy 4:20, Paul documents leaving a place called miletus with a man we can safely assume to be a Christian sick...
Sickness can be an affliction of the devil...it also can be caused by poor dieting, weather change etc. Christianity isn't some automatic departure from the happenings on earth..else we'd never be hungry...never age....so eat well, exercise and PRAY for good health

Joagbaje:

I have but I don't mind going over it again .

The issue about Open Doors is based on a simple biblical principle. Right from the old testament

Eccles 10:8
. . . . .whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.

Take for example Israel as a nation most powerful nation under God by the reason of the covenant but when they go into sin especially idolatry etc. They give room to the enemy to afflict them. The same principles applies today. See what paul says here.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2 Peter 2:19
. . . . . for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

You see The same principle is at work. What you give room to can make mastery of you. Same way even though you have dominion over sin but if you give it room, sin ,sickness ,poverty can rule you ,devils can do the same. That doesn't take away your authority but you faith has weaken .

There are teo extremes that should be avoided , one is arrogating to Satan the power he doesn't have and the next is the extreme of Denial of the wiles if the devil. That's illusion. Which I perceive seem to be your position , if a christian gives room to the devil , he will afflict . can you comment on your understanding of these scriptures

Ephesians 4:26-27
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us:for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

[color=#990000]Ephesians 4:26-27
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us:for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

Ihedinobi: My brother Joagbaje, please excuse my silence for so long. I could not attend to this until now. :-

We are not in disagreement over what happens when one walks contrary to faith in God. The disagreement revolves about whether or not a Christian can do such.

My position is that it is impossible to a Christian to break an hedge or to submit to anything other than Christ or to be overcome of anything except the Power of God his Father.

Again I say, there is a mixed multitude that is the Church. Many subscribe to the teachings and practices of Christianity who are no Christians at all. So, these admonitions come to me as ways to separate the true from the false Christian.

My question is, do those Scriptures imply that the Christian can come under the power of the enemy at all? I do not think that they do. I think that they say that if one is a Christian, he should not.

Joagbaje: @ ihedinobi


A christian can surely do. I think the problem is your personal definition of what it is to be a christian.



You have to line your position with scriptures . A christian can break his wall of protection and walk into demonic torment .

1 John 2:9-11
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.



Does I mean that anyone who does wrong is not a christian? As I said earlier , your definition of Christianity is where the trouble lies . It Is. Of our good works that makes us Christians , rather faith in Jesus and his atonement .

1 John 5:1
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.



The bible is clear . Ananias haboured greed and opened himself to death to Satan .

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

James 3:15
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

Or what do you think paul was saying here. About not walking in love.
2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Ihedinobi:

I hope you can excuse my refusal to continue in this study. I do not cherish endless arguments and when I have to answer the same questions so many times over, it gets sickening, to use somebody else's word.

If I may offer you a piece of advice, please take time to read all my contributions in this discussion from the beginning. It might help you to see what "my" definition of a Christian is and why it is the correct one. It might also help you to see the Scriptures that govern my submissions about what is possible to a Christian and what isn't. It might also answer your questions about what those Scriptures mean.

Whatever it does for you, however, I am not going to stick around to help you prolong the "argument". It's not terribly important to me that you adopt "my" views or to "win". I came here to answer Goshen360's question and I think I have. So, it's goodbye for now, my brother Joagbaje. Perhaps we'll have a more fruitful and less frustrating discussion on another thread.

Skii: @Ihedinobi, I suggest you read this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/820063/christians-ever-need-deliverance-demons

Ihedinobi:

And you directed me there because............?

Please calm down a little with that tone ( I am already getting scared )...I am just a little tweeny ant passing by on this matter. Please treat my softly

I only referred you to that thread so you would see the excerpts from the book God2man was reading

bigd4050: I don't think a Christian can be influenced by both God and Satan/demons at the same time. We can only serve one master, not two..

Skii:

Please calm down a little with that tone ( I am already getting scared )...I am just a little tweeny ant passing by on this matter. Please treat my softly

I only referred you to that thread so you would see the excerpts from the book God2man was reading

Skii:

Please calm down a little with that tone ( I am already getting scared )...I am just a little tweeny ant passing by on this matter. Please treat my softly

I only referred you to that thread so you would see the excerpts from the book God2man was reading

Joagbaje:

A christian can yield himself to the devil. Why did the bible say prophecy should be judged? Can a prophet yield to the enemy? Yes!

1 Corinthians 14:29
Two or three people should speak what God has revealed. Everyone else should decide whether what each person said is right or wrong.

We shouldnd argue by personal feeling , let's do it by scriptures.some Christians fall sick some even died untimely death. Because they yielded to influence of the enemy by not walking in love

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For anyone who eats and drinks without discriminating and recognizing with due appreciation that [it is Christ’s] body, eats and drinks a sentence (a verdict of judgment) upon himself.
30 That [careless and unworthy participation] is the reason many of you are weak and sickly,and quite enough of you have fallen into the sleep of death .

Anaias was a christian , but he died because he yielded to satan.

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Ihedinobi:

I believe this is another example of a liberal interpretation of Scriptures that makes me unwilling to carry on with this discussion with you. I hope you'll quit trying to assign wrong and right when you're insisting on a position that is considered questionable. You can't be both debater and umpire, sir.

However, enjoy your great depth of knowledge in the matter, sir. I don't care anymore to examine the matter with you.

Joagbaje:

A christian can yield himself to the devil. Why did the bible say prophecy should be judged? Can a prophet yield to the enemy? Yes!

1 Corinthians 14:29
Two or three people should speak what God has revealed. Everyone else should decide whether what each person said is right or wrong.

We shouldnd argue by personal feeling , let's do it by scriptures.some Christians fall sick some even died untimely death. Because they yielded to influence of the enemy by not walking in love

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For anyone who eats and drinks without discriminating and recognizing with due appreciation that [it is Christ’s] body, eats and drinks a sentence (a verdict of judgment) upon himself.
30 That [careless and unworthy participation] is the reason many of you are weak and sickly,and quite enough of you have fallen into the sleep of death .

Anaias was a christian , but he died because he yielded to satan.

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

bigd4050:


I agree with you, except I don't agree with your interpretation. Those people that have fallen WERE not Christians. They chose their master. The wrong one. If they were filled with a demon, then they were not Spirit filled or saved.

Joagbaje:

What's your definition of SAVED CHRISTIANS

bigd4050:

Someone who believes in Christ, asks Christ to forgive his sins, and actively serves God. Saved Christians fall into sin daily, but they do not make a practice of sin. I also believe that we as humans cannot fully know who is or is not saved 100%.

spicy v:
@ Ihedinobi: I think you should respect the right θf anyone that chooses to learn from Joagbaje or whoever they choose! God bless you sir.

Ihedinobi:

I'm not sure what this means.

spicy v:

Oh I am sure you very well know what it means, but if you choose to play uncertainty, I will rephrase my words. Please allow bigd4050 to learn from Joagbaje, you have stated that you are disengaging yourself from his posts on this thread, why then discourage another from engaging in insightful debates?