paris10:

This is where spiritual blindness comes in contact with foolishness. As regards to finding the right man or woman, you have to be a person first, then spiritual. So you telling me that if I saw a girl I should wait for God to speak before approaching her? This is called Pastor error. You will always hear what you wanted to hear. If you're insecure and lack the boldness to approach a beautiful sister, Ofcourse the answer that would play on your mind would be capital NO, "do not approach". Same happens if you'infactuate, your answer to this one would be "Yes' she's yours".

You guys have to be careful about this so-called "hearing from God" tradition that have for long lead many into spiritual deadliness. Don't you know that God has already spoken? Yes, He has said all needed to be said in His book " The Bible". Are you sick, read psalm and stop looking for miracle elsewhere. Are you broke, obey God's word and every other thing will follow. Do need anything in this world, God will supply them. The 'I Will' of God is unconditional, a promise that He will execute. If you find a wife, a spouse, a girl-friend hoping to be wife, God will favour both of you.

So my people, if you see anything in this world you like and desire, go for it and do not look back. 'Every good gift is from above...'.

So if everyone good thing comes from God why is that when you love a girl, things don't normally work out? If its "good" isn't it suppose to work out. I mean, I don't think that things are necessary black or white.

SlyIg:
The debate was for matured christians only. Stay out as i did if you got nothing reasonable to contribute. After all,must you comment?

DEFINE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MATURED CHRISTIAN? IN PIDGIN I ASK, ARE U A MATURED CHRISTIAN??

2buff: There is this girl I've been friends with.
My heart skips every time I see her, and I see the way she looks at me too. There is definitely a pull, something seemingly more wholesome than just carnal attraction.
She is gorgeous and the flow between us is effortless. I can sense that there are expectations on her end, that I take the initiative as the man.

But being the guy I am, I consulted God first and made my intentions known. The word that came back was "No not her. Just wait, your wife is coming. She will come from a place you do not expect...". This was confirmed from another trusted unbiased sources. Twice now this has happened.

I've thus far been trained to the level where I do not officially START anything with any woman now until I have seeked God's counsel on the matter, but it is always one of the most painful things ever to have to pull back from initiating something that made a whole lot of sense....this girl makes a LOT of sense. But I'm not stupid...I won't go any further...but has anyone else met this "No"? How do you weather through? Do you tell the other person?

Atheists keep out please. Mature Christian counsel needed.

1. The foolishness of God is wiser than man. His ways are not ours and only he knows the end of a thing from the beginning; man only sees as far as his nose! The wisest thing to do is stay with God's choice and timing.
2. Love is not all about feelings. Feelings come and go. Love is more importantly a choice, a commitment and a covenant.
3. God himself is Love. All you need to love is in him. This is a time to draw closer to him and draw from his ocean of love as you look forward to his choice.
4. You don't necessarily have to tell her God said no. But its important you define the relationship and don't get too close.

[quote author=obowunmi][/quote]there is something I want to know here, have u ever confront her that u want to marry her? And what was her reply, and again most of the time she do avoid ur calls,have u make ur intention know to her? Even after u met each other, because going on to pray without involving her is just nonsense altogether, and beside I don't think that girl has interest or any likeness on u in the first place, so why are u bothering urself on someone that did not love u? Why don't u move on with ur life, since she has already engage with someone else she love. My respect

Had ds same issue too.was thinkn Ïƭ was just nothing.almost three years ino the relationship  dnt ₪ø̲̣̣ his house nor parents., am still havn †ђξ warning that he Įs not my husband. need to let him g̶̲̥̅̊☺ ß̣̥u̶̲̥̅̊ђ now he does not want to leave.

obowunmi:

So if everyone good thing comes from God why is that when you love a girl, things don't normally work out? If its "good" isn't it suppose to work out. I mean, I don't think that things are necessary black or white.

My friend, only the one that worked out count. By the way, if it seems it ain't gonna work out, work it out! If not, let go. There are no rules or laws that states that things must at the first glance work for you. "..for there are no temptation taking you but such as common unto men.." it is a common phenomenon that things doesn't have to work out at first trial. The light bulb inventor tried 1000 times before success came.

A failed relationship can only make you stronger and prepares you for the challenges ahead, and in return makes you more matured and wise to handle complex relationship related issues.

But since God has said No, why not move on?

What more can one say? What many people may not know is that there are lots of people out there who are going through what this OP has posted here! It takes a boy or a girl who has died to self to hear that voice and follow immediately especially when the OP said everything about the two of them "makes sense".

To the OP, do not act like Samuel who had the call but ran to the prophet! Since you said God spoke to you, then that is the finality. Better you God give thanks to God for stopping you in your tracks! Not everyone has the privilege of being stop, they end up going through the bitter lesson before seeing the light. Why that is I may not have the answer, but always... I will trust in God who knows the end from the beginning!

2buff:
But being the guy I am, I consulted God first and made my intentions known. The word that came back was "No not her. Just wait, your wife is coming. She will come from a place you do not expect...". This was confirmed from another trusted unbiased sources. Twice now this has happened.

I've thus far been trained to the level where I do not officially START anything with any woman now until I have seeked God's counsel on the matter, but it is always one of the most painful things ever to have to pull back from initiating something that made a whole lot of sense....this girl makes a LOT of sense. But I'm not stupid...I won't go any further...but has anyone else met this "No"? How do you weather through? Do you tell the other person?

Atheists keep out please. Mature Christian counsel needed.

Unfortunately, l came upon this topic a little late.
All the same, l find it very funny that the Poster "thinks the girl is making SENSE"!
So, who is NOT making SENSE? God? The same God that you said spoke to you?
Really, did your Bible not tell you that "God is NOT an author of CONFUSION"?.....and right now, YOU ARE CONFUSED!
Does this not tell you something about your dilemma?
Let me tell you this once and for-all: IF IT DOES NOT ADD-UP, ITS NOT OF GOD. Period, end of story!

esere826: Also, generally I usually don't ask God questions b4 I start anything. I feel that if its not his will, he'll pull me back at some point. I noticed that this works better with me

Maan, l admire you a lot!
Your words up there is what l call "ABSOLUTE FAITH IN GOD"!

If you are a child of God, if you actually trust him and believe in him...totally absolutely, then you have NOTHING TO FEAR!
Just imagine, thousands die in their sleep everyday, yet you make plans about what you will do "tomorrow" and even in a month's time!
Is it not because you have that belief (faith) that you will be alive by then?

I dont even want to delve into the foolishness of this "God told me syndrome".
Who are these your "trusted sources" that are more trustworthy than your own "personal faith in God"?
Those your Pastors, abi?

But take it from me, if it was actually God that told you something, You'd better hasten and listen

God can NEVER be wrong, he does not do "guess work or trial by error". HIS words are "as DONE".
So, how come "a girl" is making sense,...where God has spoken? You see your foolishness? (not in an offensive way)

But with what you wrote up there (Poster), l think the only prayer you need is "God, l am setting into these affair, if it is not your will, break it up"......and dont try to hold on fast, when HE tries (and he will!) break it up, if it is not HIS will.
So Simple!

If you have faith, let your feelings be known to the lady and let God do the rest (Your worries and burdens are on his shoulder naah?)

Okay,l am even begining to sound like a "Preacher-man"

Lastpage!

BTW: if l begin to count the number of "broken marriages" that were consummated on the basis of "God said na you biiko", including those of certain "Pastors" who for the sake of the embarrassment it would bring to their Ministry (like Okotie), hve to just keep suffering in silence, l will not finish today!

Bro. What you want out of life matters and since you knw that what God says matters to you, then why allowing your emotions and physical desires to pull you off God's plan. PLS FOLLOW WHAT GOD HAS SAID, I'M A LIVING TESTIMONY TO THAT. It pays to follow His wil, Goodluck.

na wash!!!

You önly hear this kinda gist from Africans, God said...., did you not read where God made man the god of earth and bestowed on him the power to do and undo? That whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven? Na so una president dey wait make God send angels Gabriel and Michael to combat Boko boys for him, it's cos of what 'God said' that many women in their thirties are unmarried. Bros, most marriages that 'God approved' either have engine failure or have crashed and burned, no be say dem no dey church associations, or dem no pay tithe or attend church three times a week sef, but the success or failure of any relationship is based on the sacrifices of both parties involved, you never even toast the girl sef, if it turns out good, fine, if not, fine, everything happens for a purpose, good or bad.

Obey d voice of God. He knows d end 4rm d beginning. Be wise!

You are in a relationship with a girl for 5 years. For that 5 years, she has been committed and being honesty in all way to you. she give you $ex anytime you asked for it, she had more 3 abortions for you. You suddenly wake up in the morning and tell her that your pastor/alpha said you are not meant to be together. God is watching you in HD.

Omo_Tier1:
To the OP, do not act like Samuel who had the call but ran to the prophet! Since you said God spoke to you, then that is the finality. Better you God give thanks to God for stopping you in your tracks! Not everyone has the privilege of being stop, they end up going through the bitter lesson before seeing the light. Why that is I may not have the answer, but always... I will trust in God who knows the end from the beginning!

i think you have assumed a lot of stuff concerning the op....
how are we sure it was God that spoke to him and not his own evil conscience? in my opinion, one must be supremely righteous before they can have a têtê-a-têtê with God.....

now, you have this op: who fornicates at will and fuck knows what other vices he gets involved in, how do we then assume he's heard from God? i am not trying to judge or misjudge him but we have to be clear on who heard this message from before analysing the message!

Dumb poster, you let other people interfer with your love life. This girl in particular, you feel attracted to her in a good way and from what you've said about her, she feels the same way about you. Why don't you give it a chance. She might the one you know. A bird at hand is better than a thousand in the bush. Don't let anyone use religion to dictate your life.

hello every one i have just met with this prophetharry@ymail. com and i finally find out that he is really a truthful spell caster and so powerful and he is the most powerful spell caster that i have ever met. i wish i have met him before. my husband have just come back to me and every thing happened just the way prophet harry had said it i am so happy that i have met with prophet harry and now i have my husband back to my self. if you all that are here have not tried prophet harry just have to do so and get your heart desires fulfilled. stop been doubting i have tested him and i am now a fulfilled woman. sidney huster

lastpage:
Unfortunately, l came upon this topic a little late.
All the same, l find it very funny that the Poster "thinks the girl is making SENSE"!
So, who is NOT making SENSE? God? The same God that you said spoke to you?
Really, did your Bible not tell you that "God is NOT an author of CONFUSION"?.....and right now, YOU ARE CONFUSED!
Does this not tell you something about your dilemma?
Let me tell you this once and for-all: IF IT DOES NOT ADD-UP, ITS NOT OF GOD. Period, end of story!



Maan, l admire you a lot!
Your words up there is what l call "ABSOLUTE FAITH IN GOD"!

If you are a child of God, if you actually trust him and believe in him...totally absolutely, then you have NOTHING TO FEAR!
Just imagine, thousands die in their sleep everyday, yet you make plans about what you will do "tomorrow" and even in a month's time!
Is it not because you have that belief (faith) that you will be alive by then?

I dont even want to delve into the foolishness of this "God told me syndrome".
Who are these your "trusted sources" that are more trustworthy than your own "personal faith in God"?
Those your Pastors, abi?

But take it from me, if it was actually God that told you something, You'd better hasten and listen

God can NEVER be wrong, he does not do "guess work or trial by error". HIS words are "as DONE".
So, how come "a girl" is making sense,...where God has spoken? You see your foolishness? (not in an offensive way)

But with what you wrote up there (Poster), l think the only prayer you need is "God, l am setting into these affair, if it is not your will, break it up"......and dont try to hold on fast, when HE tries (and he will!) break it up, if it is not HIS will.
So Simple!

If you have faith, let your feelings be known to the lady and let God do the rest (Your worries and burdens are on his shoulder naah?)

Okay,l am even begining to sound like a "Preacher-man"

Lastpage!

BTW: if l begin to count the number of "broken marriages" that were consummated on the basis of "God said na you biiko", including those of certain "Pastors" who for the sake of the embarrassment it would bring to their Ministry (like Okotie), hve to just keep suffering in silence, l will not finish today!

Perfection! Well said.

Unbiased People Said? Please don't get me wrong but have you as the[b] MAN [/b]in question prayed about it? Why should people ask for such a thing on your behalf from God abi as a child of God ( Which I believe you are ) don't you have access to your father again? Marriage is a sensitive issue and I will always believe that it is the two people involved that the onus is upon to ask God concerning what they are about to embark on.'He who finds a wife finds a good thing & obtains favour from the Lord' Why don't you pray about it yourself? if its the will of God He will grant you peace and make all things beautiful in its time but if its not, He will definitely cause the two of you to break up. So forget what ever any body might be telling you and seek the face of your father yourself. I have seen Pastor endorsed marriages that is nothing to write home about so don not be swayed by God told me talk, Let God speak to you Himself & when He does, you will not have any iota of doubt about what decision to take. It Is Well

People! At least go through 2buff's comments even if you can't read the whole thread!

The man has said he wants to know if he should tell the lady in question or not. Beyond that he says he has made his decision. Which one is all this questioning of his ability to hear from God or to take a decision?

Free 2buff abeg!

Mod na ya fault o!

Two things needed in marriage, "brain and patience". I did not say wisdom i mean brain. Wisdom sometimes brings confusion but brain never disappoints. Dont be confused!
As regard this topic, only the married men can offer better advice. I'm ten years in marriage. One thing about me is that i go for the best quality. My first fiance, our bishop told me that we are not compatible. The pressure was so much that i should not marry her, using the name of God to cajole me. Eventually, i got to know that the bishop and the queen were involved in strong extra-furkings. I just abandoned her after i caught her.
People blasphem the name of God. The resources needed to succeed in life is with you. The claim that you heard from God is foolishness, stupidity, nonsense. No one hears from God. Even, all prophets, pastors, rev, no one hears from God. You can only hear the voice of your personal ministering angel. Hearing from God is mystery, not as many claim.
In marriage, you need sense of reasoning and patience.
When i got the second lady, people said i cant withstand her, that we can not last because she is first class lady, beautiful, more educated, infact, the glamour is too much. By the use of brain, i married her with her car when i didnt have one. But the First three years i encountered serious storm but i used patience to calm the storm. It took me three years to change my wife completely. I mean it. And today, she teaches younger ones that they should not look at what a man has in his hand but in his mind. Thats the lesson she learnt from me.
To me, i dont believe in waiting for third party to make marry works out well. It is your vision that determines that. If many face what i encountered in my early marriage, they will break up and people will be privileged to say it is because you didnt consult God. Since 2007 uptodate, i decided not to attend any church for one reason. Since then, my marriage is peaceful. Since then I built my house, got two exclusive cars, and my mind is void of evil. Anything imagined can be achieved, that is me. Lets stop decieving ourselves with those deceptions in the name of God. There is no union that can not be fruitful and succeessful. But many people surround their union with erroneous teachings and beliefs. There are 12 voices that many translate to be voice of God. I repeat, no one hears from God. It painful that you can not get the picture. Ask me any question.

God is not author of confusion whatever He told your pastor you too can hear it truly you are a child of God.Tell God to speak to you directly in a language you can understand and am sure He will answer you. And as for whether to still go ahead,my brother if truly it is God speaking don't try it º°˚°˚˚°•. Reason is this,He's the only one who can see the end from the beginning if He's telling you not to go ahead its for your own good afterall God is only trying to protect you from a broken marriage cos am sure that's what will happen if you go ahead. Pls and pls don't compromise God's standard remember the word of God is Final

Sirniyeh: Two things needed in marriage, "brain and patience". I did not say wisdom i mean brain. Wisdom sometimes brings confusion but brain never disappoints. Dont be confused!
As regard this topic, only the married men can offer better advice. I'm ten years in marriage. One thing about me is that i go for the best quality. My first fiance, our bishop told me that we are not compatible. The pressure was so much that i should not marry her, using the name of God to cajole me. Eventually, i got to know that the bishop and the queen were involved in strong extra-furkings. I just abandoned her after i caught her.
People blasphem the name of God. The resources needed to succeed in life is with you. The claim that you heard from God is foolishness, stupidity, nonsense. No one hears from God. Even, all prophets, pastors, rev, no one hears from God. You can only hear the voice of your personal ministering angel. Hearing from God is mystery, not as many claim.
In marriage, you need sense of reasoning and patience.
When i got the second lady, people said i cant withstand her, that we can not last because she is first class lady, beautiful, more educated, infact, the glamour is too much. By the use of brain, i married her with her car when i didnt have one. But the First three years i encountered serious storm but i used patience to calm the storm. It took me three years to change my wife completely. I mean it. And today, she teaches younger ones that they should not look at what a man has in his hand but in his mind. Thats the lesson she learnt from me.
To me, i dont believe in waiting for third party to make marry works out well. It is your vision that determines that. If many face what i encountered in my early marriage, they will break up and people will be privileged to say it is because you didnt consult God. Since 2007 uptodate, i decided not to attend any church for one reason. Since then, my marriage is peaceful. Since then I built my house, got two exclusive cars, and my mind is void of evil. Anything imagined can be achieved, that is me. Lets stop decieving ourselves with those deceptions in the name of God. There is no union that can not be fruitful and succeessful. But many people surround their union with erroneous teachings and beliefs. There are 12 voices that many translate to be voice of God. I repeat, no one hears from God. It painful that you can not get the picture. Ask me any question.

Good story. I believe that you should follow your heart - it never lies.

ewo ni strong extra-furkings, lord have mercy.

tpia@:
ewo ni strong extra-furkings, lord have mercy.

Won do ra won daa daa... LooL

tpia@:
ewo ni strong extra-furkings, lord have mercy.

Xtianity does not make fool. I like to say the truth, i will not be so foolish to wait till marriage before i taste the honey-pot. While dating her, she simultaneously engaged herself with bishop. Is that not "extra". But thank God today, i have a better story to tell. Infact, if i should narrate my marrital encounter, lots of couples will have a rethink and build their lives on understanding instead of waiting for an unimaginary thing to speak for them.

i will not be so foolish to wait till marriage before i taste the honey-pot

well, there lies your answer to your ex-girlfriend and the bishop's strong extra whatever.

nobody wants delayed gratification.

hmmh

I have witneesed this issue of God said with close relatives ,a guy and babe, how reliable is the source of the vision and interpretation? Some can see vision but can't interprete, A guy was worshing with a young beautiful lady in a moderate size church, He saw the lady,prayef about her and it was comfirmed that she is his wife,meanwhile the lady was dating another guy from the same town and church living in another town. She sneaks out of sch to see this other guy, they kept assuring the other guy that she is his wife,the lady no send him stll,this went on till the lady got married to the guy she has been dating,the other guy left the church in anger,feeling that he has been duped, Anothet issue is with a lady who has been cohabiting with a guy,the guy has not made made any move and another guy is seeking for her hand in marriage,she went to church and they told her that the one she is living with is her husband,meanwhile he is not making any move to marry her,she no gree oh,she went ahead and married the guy seeking for her hand,they have been hapily married for xyrs now and grown have not fallen, As for me, I believe so much in God, I will pray and trust God, after that,I will follow my heart and not relay on outside party, a lot of people can really misinterprete vision.The true essence of vision is knowing the interpretation.

@ OP: you said, God said "NO". So what counsel do you care about again? "Let God be true, and all men liars.." However, I believe in God guiding one to choose a spouse but not choosing for anybody. Because He (God) has given us the will to choose or "find a wife.." under his guidance. More grace.

[quote author=2buff]There is this girl I've been friends with.
My heart skips every time I see her, and I see the way she looks at me too. There is definitely a pull, something seemingly more wholesome than just carnal attraction.
She is gorgeous and the flow between us is effortless. I can sense that there are expectations on her end, that I take the initiative as the man.

But being the guy I am, I consulted God first and made my intentions known. The word that came back was "No not her. Just wait, your wife is coming. She will come from a place you do not expect...". This was confirmed from another trusted unbiased sources. Twice now this has happened.

I've thus far been trained to the level where I do not officially START anything with any woman now until I have seeked God's counsel on the matter, but it is always one of the most painful things ever to have to pull back from initiating something that made a whole lot of sense....this girl makes a LOT of sense. But I'm not stupid...I won't go any further...but has anyone else met this "No"? How do you weather through? Do you tell the other person?




MY DEAR FIRST OF ALL , I WILL LOVE TO ACKNOLOWDGE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE FAER OF GOD AND ALSO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PRINCIPLE OF GOD.

I WILL LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE FACT THAT I HAD MADE BEFORE IN THIS FORUM THOUGH SOME PPLE MAY NOT BELIEVE IT, " NOT ALL LOVE ENDS IN MARIAGE", I AM SAYING THE FACT, AND HAD WITNESSED IT HAPPEN VARIOUS TIME,

NOW USING MY SELF AS AN EXAMPLE, MY SUPPOSED HUSBAND, I MEAN I HAVE NEVER FALL IN LOVE , I HAD NEVER GAVE ANY MAN CHANCE IN MY LIFE, BUT I MET THIS GUY WHO POSSESS, 3 OUT OF MY 4 BASIS FOR AND I DEAL MAN , APART FROM BEING BORN AGAIN, I MEAN A STRONG PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, THIS GUY IS MADLY AND CRAZILY IN LOVEWITH ME , I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING, I GAVE HIM CHANCEFOR R/SHIP, AND HONESTLY GOD KNEW I LOVE HIM SO MUCH TO HAVE AFTER ALL SECONDARY YRS, 5YRS STUDYING ENGINEERING, JUST LAST YEAR I FOUND A LOVE OF MY LIFE, THAT I FORGOT TO ASK FOR GOD"S DIRECTION, BEING THAT HE SAID HE IS VERY SURE THAT GOD IS LEADING HIM. TO CUT THE LONG STORY SHORT, MY SPIRITUAL MOTHER ONCE TOLD ME THAT THIS GUY IS WONDERFULL BUT MAY NOT BE FOR ME , I REFUSED TO ACCEPT, ALL MY DESIRE IS TO MAKE HIM WHAT I WANT, TO FIX THE REMAINING ATTITUDE I NEED IN A MAN , JUST B4 EASTER THIS YEAR I WAS SO HAPPY THAT I HAVEALL THAT I WANT, BUT SOMETHING HAPPEND THAT MADE ME TO PRAY EARNESTLY AND FERVENTLY, TO MY GREATEST SURPRISE ALL MY REVEALATIONS IS SAYING NEGATIVE, EVEN WHEN I TRY TO INTERPRET IT IN THEWAY IT WILL SOOT ME, I GOT THE WORST THE FOLLOWING NIGHT, SO WHAT SHOULD I DO I TOLD HIM THAT I AM VERY SORRY THOUGH , WAS VERY HARD BUT THE WILLOF GOD MUST BE DONE, TIL NOW HE IS ALWAYS CRYING, THE FAMILY CALLING BUT I CANT DO OTHER WISE NEVERTHELESS I LOVE HIM AND WILL STILL DO, JUST THAT THE ONLY UNIQUE THING THAT MARRIED COUPLE HAVE I WONT HAVE WITH HIM BUT WILL EVER LOVE HIM AND HLP HIM WHENEVER I AM IN THE POSITION TO DO SO.


SORRY DONT MIND MY EPISODE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IN THE NUTSHELL IS THAT IF YOU ARE SURE THAT GOD IS SAYING NO, THEN IT IS NO, DO NOT CONTINUE TO ASSUME THAT THE GIRL IS EXPECTING PROPOSAL FROM YOU, IF YOU GUYS ARE TOO CLOSE FOR HER TO BE EXPECTING THAT , THEN START PULLING OFF GRADUALLY, AND START BEING PLATONIC WITH HER AND DISCUSS THE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE HER KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN MARRYING HER.

GOD'S GRACE.

Cry now, enjoy later.

Why does "god" have to punish someone else so that another person can be happy. I feel bad for the poor brother. All is well and God will grant him the strength to move on.

The guy did nothing wrong to go thru the emotional roller coaster that you put him thru.