karpentar: @poster
Why are atheists obsessed with mostly Christianity? It's not even the oldest religion for heaven's sake! Is it out of fear of jihad and suicide bombings that these agnostics scrutinize less of Islam than Christianity? You'll hardly see a post that would ask "should we teach kids Quran"....why..why, why.....why...cowardice? or is that the highest percentage of this tiny MINORITY group lives in America and Europe where the majority religion is Christianity and outside America and Europe, they have never been the majority in the landscape of humanity? Maybe that's why they are so angry!

karpentar: @poster
Why are atheists obsessed with mostly Christianity? It's not even the oldest religion for heaven's sake! Is it out of fear of jihad and suicide bombings that these agnostics scrutinize less of Islam than Christianity? You'll hardly see a post that would ask "should we teach kids Quran"....why..why, why.....why...cowardice? or is that the highest percentage of this tiny MINORITY group lives in America and Europe where the majority religion is Christianity and outside America and Europe, they have never been the majority in the landscape of humanity? Maybe that's why they are so angry!

mamiel: @ e..monkey. Take this as an advise, behind every religion is a spirit -christianity, islam, hindu, even african traditional worship and what have u. When u become a christian (just like any other religion) the Holy Spirit,if u request of him, will possess you and that is the only time u can truly understand the bible. So I understand ur plight in comprehending d scriptures as an unbeliever. But it won't make any difference for u to try to degrade d bible by ur posting for two reasons. (1.) A true christian will only read it and laugh at ur understanding. (2.) an unbeliever may concur with u, bt d day he or she recieves d Holy Spirit, his understanding will be enlighten and all ur views will no longer make a meaning to him. God bless u.

E_monkey:
Like I said before, I understand your unwillingness to agree that those verses are rather graphic, so your excuses do not surprise me.
As for Song of songs, why was it revealed exactly? Unless that part of the Bible was made up by man and not revealed by God.

MacDaddy01: Frosbel is an 1diot.


There is no doubt in my mind.


Frosbel, while you are at it, why not teach your children how to be muderers;



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Imoy: Take a look at some direct quotes
from the Koran, see for
yourself….Convert or Die oh Infidel!!! Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger
and those who believe with him,
strive hard and fight with their
wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.” Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the
disbelievers wherever you find
them, take them captive, harass
them, lie in wait and ambush
them using every stratagem of
war.” Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight
in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are
slain, kill and are killed.” Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do
not believe until they all
surrender, paying the protective
tax in submission.”
bla bla bla

CHESSBOARD: Monkey to ans your question " YES"....Now call yourself EWU

E_monkey:
Is this what your Bible teaches you? To insult others?
Hmmmm. Maybe I should start another thread to find out the Christian stand on insulting non believers.

E_monkey: Should it? Considering that it contains things like this:

Ezekiel 23:20
For she lusted after her lovers, whose flesh were like those of donkeys and whose spërm was like that of horses.
Ezekiel 23:21
So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, in bruising thy brëasts by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

Other sëxually explicit verses:

Songs of Solomon 8:1-3
If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house. She who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm up under my head and his right arm embraces me.

Genesis 38: 8-10
....and Onan knew that the seed should not be his, and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Judges 19: 24-29
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now and humble ye them, and do with them whUat seemth good unto you, but unto this man do not so like a thing. But the men would not hearken to him so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night untill the morning and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

Gore in the Bible:

Hosea 13: 16
....for she has gone against her God: they will be cut down by the sword, their little children will be broken on the racks, their women who are with child will be cut open.

Isiah 13: 16
Their young children will be broken up before their eyes, their goods will be taken away and their wives made the property of others.

Judges 4: 21
Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of a tent, and took an hammer in her hand and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground, for he was fast asleep and weary so he died.

Do we really want children picturing the horrifying depictions of gore and the descriptions of immorality in those verses when they read them?
Should they be exposed to these and similar verses by teaching them the Bible?

frosbel:


To you they may appear sexually perverse but to us they are fine when interpreted in the right context.

Wrenching them out of context to score a point is not a surprise.

mamiel: @ e..monkey. Take this as an advise, behind every religion is a spirit -christianity, islam, hindu, even african traditional worship and what have u. When u become a christian (just like any other religion) the Holy Spirit,if u request of him, will possess you and that is the only time u can truly understand the bible. So I understand ur plight in comprehending d scriptures as an unbeliever. But it won't make any difference for u to try to degrade d bible by ur posting for two reasons. (1.) A true christian will only read it and laugh at ur understanding. (2.) an unbeliever may concur with u, bt d day he or she recieves d Holy Spirit, his understanding will be enlighten and all ur views will no longer make a meaning to him. God bless u.

Dignitary:

E MONKEY, u are what your name say u are!

E_monkey:
Ok.
So what you are saying is that unless I am a Christian I will never be able to understand the Bible because the Holy Spirit directs only Christians?
That isn't fair. I mean how am I going to be drawn to the religion when I don't understand the Bible and the Holy Spirit has refused to guide me?
If I am to go by what you wrote, that means there is almost no hope for non-Christians to grasp the message in the Bible or to get converted by it.

frosbel:


To you they may appear sexually perverse but to us they are fine when interpreted in the right context.

Wrenching them out of context to score a point is not a surprise.

E_monkey: Should it? Considering that it contains things like this:

Ezekiel 23:20
For she lusted after her lovers, whose flesh were like those of donkeys and whose spërm was like that of horses.
Ezekiel 23:21
So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, in bruising thy brëasts by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

Other sëxually explicit verses:

Songs of Solomon 8:1-3
If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house. She who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm up under my head and his right arm embraces me.

Genesis 38: 8-10
....and Onan knew that the seed should not be his, and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Judges 19: 24-29
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now and humble ye them, and do with them what seemth good unto you, but unto this man do not so like a thing. But the men would not hearken to him so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night untill the morning and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

Gore in the Bible:

Hosea 13: 16
....for she has gone against her God: they will be cut down by the sword, their little children will be broken on the racks, their women who are with child will be cut open.

Isiah 13: 16
Their young children will be broken up before their eyes, their goods will be taken away and their wives made the property of others.

Judges 4: 21
Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of a tent, and took an hammer in her hand and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground, for he was fast asleep and weary so he died.

Do we really want children picturing the horrifying depictions of gore and the descriptions of immorality in those verses when they read them?
Should they be exposed to these and similar verses by teaching them the Bible?

kadree: would u have same this if those verses were from the Quran?They are part of the hidden verses no pastor(expectially the prosperity preaching ones) will ever read during church service.If they cant,then why are they in the Bible?I dare you to read those verses in public and see what the reaction will be like.All you know is to attack Islam and shield the unmentionables in the Bible.No wonder a pastor can call one of his ex a Jazebell.I tire for una o.

muktar mtt: Why dooes have to kill him so she's a murderer, lyk dsm way dey kill jessu carry hammer nd nail. Him wit cross chai! So christanity is all abt wickdness God don catch u mumu xtrian.

E_monkey:
Ok.
So what you are saying is that unless I am a Christian I will never be able to understand the Bible because the Holy Spirit directs only Christians?
That isn't fair. I mean how am I going to be drawn to the religion when I don't understand the Bible and the Holy Spirit has refused to guide me?
If I am to go by what you wrote, that means there is almost no hope for non-Christians to grasp the message in the Bible or to get converted by it.

frosbel:
Simple, because God resists the arrogant and gives grace to the humble.
God's word can only be revealed in the right context through the Spirit, you will never comprehend these deep wonderful truths until you humble yourself.

frosbel:
"To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God.

frosbel:

One man died for mankind and shed his blood. I mean Christ Jesus. Through this atonement millions are saved from sin and death.

In ISLAM another Man caused and is still causing the death of countless millions of innocent human beings , because they rejected and still reject his murderous ideology. So instead of life he offers death.

You tell me , which one is more barbaric

frosbel:
I suggest you read the entire chapter to understand the context and purpose. May God give you understanding.

Imoy:
u talk abt d holyspirit nt been fair to guiding u in understanding d bible. For ur information, d holyspirit only cums wen u ask for his presence.

frosbel:


To you they may appear sexually perverse but to us they are fine when interpreted in the right context.

Wrenching them out of context to score a point is not a surprise.

muktar mtt: Urs cos it has bein wrtin in ur bible but oda is politics