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Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 10:41pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
It depends on the level of thinking. I believe animals can process information mainly based on instinct. In that regards I would say they don't think but can process and repeat what they have been trained to do. So, animals don't think, they act based on instincts. Online definition of think is the belief(which animals can not do other than humans) , opinion and idea on something or somebody, generally. It means there has to be reason to understand what a particular idea or opinion(we know that animals don't have opinions) is about and find a way to accept it. It is an act where the things which differentiate humans from the animals are really intertwined, like spirituality(in general sense), ability to read and write,share ideas about something,etc. Thinking really helps in those areas and it is an ability which animals lack. ANIMALS DON'T THINK! |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by bid4rich(m): 11:12pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
My take; animals think but their thinking faculty varies. For example, can you compare the thinking pattern of a animal called 'eediots' with cat or stupentious inteted 'Ostritch' with eagle? Their thinking faculty is far from each other as east is far from the west but that doesnt mean they are not thinking. Remember they are flesh and blood too |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Dsage1: 11:26pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
all4naija: It depends on the level of thinking. I believe animals can process information mainly based on instinct. In that regards I would say they don't think but can process and repeat what they have been trained to do. So, animals don't think, they act based on instincts. I wonder how/why you just jump into conclusion that something with brains like you cannot think. What about animals that were not trained the way they behaved? How do you know that animals can't read or write in their own language or spirituals,since you are not a member? If you think animals are not capable of sharing ideas, then you need to learn more about "Bees, Lions, Termites, Vultures etc". The fact that humans are most intelligent animals does not mean that other animals cannot think. 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 11:39pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
all4naija: It depends on the level of thinking. I believe animals can process information mainly based on instinct. In that regards I would say they don't think but can process and repeat what they have been trained to do. So, animals don't think, they act based on instincts.so learning is now by instinct, baa? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 11:41pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
Just wondering. Those animals that can recognize themselves in the mirror, how come they know its them and not some other animal? 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by safarigirl(f): 12:28am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Animals act, dance, clap, do gymnastics, certainly all this is not done through mere instincts. They are trained just like humans, they're like babies that never talk, they store whatever they learn in some brain cells. How do dogs know the owner of a house from an intruder? Some dogs may not even eat a certain type of food, they know cos they've learnt. But like someone pointed out, they can't think out of the box |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by masterpiecer(m): 6:35am On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: It depends on the level of thinking. I believe animals can process information mainly based on instinct. In that regards I would say they don't think but can process and repeat what they have been trained to do. So, animals don't think, they act based on instincts. The problem with this debate is that most of us are comparing the thinking faculty of animals with humans, no, they are not the same or close at all, but because the thinking faculty of animals is not as complex as human's, dosen't mean animals don't think. Now let me ask u this; Wouldn't the act of a todler who can read just A B C, and an adult who can read an encyclopeadia be termed as 'reading'?, of cause yes, they both can read, but because the adult's brain is more develope than the child, he can read better than the todler, but that dose not imply that the todler cannot read rather the todler's ability to read is not as enhanced as the adult's. Same thing applies to the thinking faculty of animals and humans. Animals think, but not in a complex form like humans. 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Emary(f): 7:50am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Animals teach their offspring how to hunt, gather food, respect their group hierarchy and communicate. Doesn't that require thinking? 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Tropilo(m): 8:05am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Any living thing with brains can think. Living things such as plants and insects, snails etc are instintive. However, the only thing that differentiates human thinking with that of lower animals is "reasoning" and ability to decipher. Reasoning or/and conscience is the element that seperates us and even varies from one man to another. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 8:25am On Sep 27, 2012 |
ANIMALS THINK, My own personal experience, i grew up with pet cats. We once had a cat that steals meat from your plate whenever NEPA takes the light, my brother used cane to train the cat, after that, if you put your food on the ground in front of the cat and leave the room and return - your food will stay intact. Well, i guess that is thinking. Also, the issue of speech. I happened to have studied various cats incidentally and have picked some of their languages - at least, i know now to tell a cat in their language that i am a friend- and thereafter i can touch and even pick up the cat without being harmed - i have done this countless of times. And yet, there are times when some cats - for reasons unknown to me will refuse to listen, yowl and vanish. Some wild cats will stop, look at me for awhile, and silently stalk off - guess i have not studied wild cats language. Well, I am an animal and i do think. . . . .or so i presume 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 8:27am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Can animals really think? Can they make decisions based on information? For years, scientists have debated these questions. Now, many of them believe that some animals have the brain power to understand new situations, make decisions, and plan ahead. The following are just a few of the many examples of animal intelligence that scientists have observed.Source: studyenglishtoday.net/can_animals_think.html 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 8:44am On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: It depends on the level of thinking. I believe animals can process information mainly based on instinct. In that regards I would say they don't think but can process and repeat what they have been trained to do. So, animals don't think, they act based on instincts.can you give a sharp contrast between a baby and an intelligent animal, in terms of observable traits? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 8:45am On Sep 27, 2012 |
*dhtml:interesting |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by mcsnup: 8:52am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Of course they gat brain and they make a good use of it...what's your defination for instinct? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 8:54am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Animals think! End. Of story. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Gaqua77(f): 9:04am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Yes off-course, they can think too...... we can make it out by the trained pet's activities & their response to the trainers commands. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 9:07am On Sep 27, 2012 |
mcsnup: Of course they gat brain and they make a good use of it...what's your defination for instinct? www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/instinct: |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ritochi: 9:39am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Orikinla: [size=18pt]All living creatures that bear and rear their offspring think.. Lol,nairalanders will not kill me o! |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 10:52am On Sep 27, 2012 |
ciphoenix: so learning is now by instinct, baa?Instincts is a natural way or behavior of thinking or doing things. Though it has to do with human instinct when its thinking but animals don't have that ability for sure. Learning in animals doesn't require thinking, it is just a pattern in their behavior, that is why some animals are better learner than others. To process information is different from thinking. The reason why computer can not think is just a good example of that. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 10:55am On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: Instincts is a natural way or behavior of thinking or doing things. Though it has to do with human instinct when its thinking but animals don't have that ability for sure. Learning in animals doesn't require thinking, it is just a pattern in their behavior, that is why some animals are better learner than others. To process information is different from thinking. The reason why computer can not think is just a good example of that.and a classic definition of thinking would be............... |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 10:56am On Sep 27, 2012 |
safarigirl: Animals act, dance, clap, do gymnastics, certainly all this is not done through mere instincts. They are trained just like humans, they're like babies that never talk, they store whatever they learn in some brain cells. How do dogs know the owner of a house from an intruder? Some dogs may not even eat a certain type of food, they know cos they've learnt. But like someone pointed out, they can't think out of the boxYou just defined instincts. If you think that is thinking you just need to allow the animal to give an explanation for its action(that is where thinking comes in).Would you say computer can think because it can do those things you just mentioned? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 11:04am On Sep 27, 2012 |
ciphoenix: and a classic definition of thinking would be...............I defined thinking in my previous comment though. It is the ability to have a particular opinion, belief or idea about something or somebody but there has to be explanations to form judgement based on process of accessing logic. Really, animals don't think. It has be addressed by scientists before on what passes for thinking. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 11:07am On Sep 27, 2012 |
ciphoenix: can you give a sharp contrast between a baby and an intelligent animal, in terms of observable traits?You just like argument. Hahaha... we all know even baby can not see at birth and therefore that is a good example of many dormant abilities and senses in babies. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Dsage1: 1:01pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: Instincts is a natural way or behavior of thinking or doing things. Though it has to do with human instinct when its thinking but animals don't have that ability for sure. Learning in animals doesn't require thinking, it is just a pattern in their behavior, that is why some animals are better learner than others. To process information is different from thinking. The reason why computer can not think is just a good example of that. Stop being cognitive bias please, instinctive or perception is not possible without any imaginative tendency. If animals doesn't think, then why the animals like bees,termites,sheep,lions etc are able to organizing and coordinating their immediate surroundings? Why did they stored food for future purpose? Why did they defend their territories against external attack? There's no correlation between computer(non living thing) and animals(living thing). Unlike animals,computer is solely operating by humans and not by itself. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 1:16pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
D sage:You keep repeating the same thing. It is sad you are not learning anything here. You just like argument for argument sake. Didn't the organizing and co-ordination in the bee,sheep, lions,etc seem like something in their make up to you? That is part of their instincts. But, in humans they are thought out. We even learn from nature and translate what we've learnt into something else and useful. There is explanation for that,that is thinking, to judge based on opinions,beliefs and ideas. You see there is no way animals can thought out logical process. If instances in nature animals carry out complicated processes don't mean they are through thinking but through their instinctive nature(it is their natural way not thinking - logical process of opinions,etc are meant for humans only). The only different here why computers look separated from animals is the responding to stimuli.That is natural(instincts). So, my illustration with computer was on the processing of information yet you are taking it out of the context. However,I can see you don't quite understand what instincts means in the first place. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 1:26pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
masterpiecer:No! The question should be, do you THINK(what thinking means to you) what animals do are qualified to pass for thinking? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 1:28pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: You just like argument. Hahaha... we all know even baby can not see at birth and therefore that is a good example of many dormant abilities and senses in babies.convinced. It's still kinda controversial among researchers tho. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Dsage1: 1:36pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: You keep repeating the same thing. It is sad you are not learning anything here. You just like argument for argument sake. Your inability to provide reasonable answers to my previous post,resulted to repetition. Is it by instincts or thinking that animals thought of storing foods for future purpose? If you fail to answer this,I will never quote your posts again on this forum. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 1:37pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct: |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 1:40pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
D sage:I can only laugh at the line in bold. . Ants do that based on instincts!That is a good example for you. |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by Nobody: 1:44pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
ciphoenix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct:That's a good one. Now,do you think animals think by looking at this definition? |
Re: Do Animals Think?? by ciphoenix: 1:48pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
all4naija: That's a good one. Now,do you think animals think by looking at this definition?it says behavior is instinct in the absence of previous learning. Am i missing something here? |
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