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Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Hugoboi(m): 11:39pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
naijababe: If we eventually revert to regionalism, who then becomes the Lord of the Manor in the South West? Your guess is as good as mine. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by naturalwaves: 11:41pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
naijababe:...And this is d best way U could convey such message. What won't one's eyes see in d hands of these NL babes. Well, I'm happy d thread has moved on cos that was all I ever wanted. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by nduchucks: 11:42pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
We need our own system of government devoid of these borrow borrow oyibo institutions. Sometimes I wish our very own Sergeant Doe would emerge and force the needed restructuring of the government. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by EkoIle1: 11:43pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
Hugoboi: As far I'm concerned, Tinubu's call for the abolition of the Senate is self-serving. Any unbiased follower of politics in Nigeria will see that the Nigerian problem is not the Senate but the Senators who have abdicated their responsiblities in pursuit of self enrichment. The legislature, of all arms of government should be the epitome of fiscal responsility but the Nigerian version has become a breeding ground for gangsters of all calling. Abolishing the Senate will be akin to throwing away the baby with the bath water. Highers standards for election into the legislature should be more stringent than what obtains today. As far as I'm concerned, certain individuals have no business being in the senate. How can one fanthom a scenario where a senator has no rudimentary knowledge of lawmaking, sits in the chamber for 8 years and does not sponsor a single bill. That is ridiculous to say the least. With so much vitriol and anti Tinubu/ACN rhetoric, I don't think you really care if the man made sense or not. You are your own worst enemy. NEXT... |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Hugoboi(m): 11:44pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
Katsumoto: If Tinubu is interested in reducing waste, let his party sponsor a bill demanding that NASS spending be reduced by 50% for a start. I agree! |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Nobody: 11:50pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: We need our own system of government devoid of these borrow borrow oyibo institutions. Sometimes I wish our very own Sergeant Doe would emerge and force the needed restructuring of the government. And THIS as well!!! |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by nduchucks: 11:56pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
Dudu_Negro: @bolded, ewo lo kan mi pelu oku Iya Adunni |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by PhysicsQED(m): 11:56pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
What a thread! Both sides provided some enlightening posts and some entertainment. I doff my hat to you guys. @ the actual topic, both unicameral and bicameral legislatures have their advantages: In a bicameral system, the authority of the two houses or chambers varies broadly in each country. In some countries with weak bicameralism, the upper chamber has only consultative powers. In the UK, for example, the lower chamber, the popularly elected House of Commons, has evolved into the superior legislative power, and its decisions override those of the upper chamber-The House of Lords. In the U.S. system, however, both chambers pose equal or offsetting powers and legislation must be approved by both. In Canada, the House of Commons has most of the power, but the Senate can amend legislation and investigate policy questions. In Germany, which has a federal system, states’ interests are represented by the upper house in the German parliament (Bundesrat), the members of which are appointed by the respective state governments. While their legislative powers are not as strong as those of the lower house, the Bundesrat has the final say in disputes among states and between the states and the federal government. http://mirror.undp.org/magnet/Docs/parliaments/Legislative%20Chambers.htm In light of the above, I think a unicameral system would actually be better in Nigeria's case. I think the advantages of having only one chamber would be more useful than the advantages of having two at the present time. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Hugoboi(m): 11:58pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
Eko Ile: The issue isn't whether he made sense or not. The issue lies in his motives and I daresay they are suspect. With regards to the sense in his statement, I frankly don't see any. Every nation in the mordern world needs a law making institution and I don't see how Nigeria's case should be different. Nigeria operates a constitutionally enshrined Federal system of govt and such requires a bicameral legislature. The legitimacy of such a system of govt as it applies to a multi tribal nation like Nigeria is an argument for another day. Calling for an outright abolition of a statutory body like the Senate amounts to bare faced ignorance of the workings of government. My point is that Tinubu is a public figure who ought to have competent advisers. Such a comment is ridiculous to say the least. Every organ of govt even in the most advanced countries has problems. U don't see americans ask that the US Marines be abolished cos their soldiers are involved in abusing prisoners of war. Rather than making such a populist statement, Tinubu should be talking about how to sanitize the Senate and weed out the bad eggs giving it a bad name with a view to moving the Nation forward. 1 Like |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Hugoboi(m): 12:07am On Sep 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: What a thread! The Unicameral system will never work in a tribally heterogenous state like Nigeria. At least not without scrapping the "federal" system of government based on the fraud called the 1999 Constitution. Calling for abolition of the Senate without first dealing with the constitution amounts to standing logic on its head. We should first deal with the basic grundorm governing the existence of Nigeria as a nation before moving on to its component units. 1 Like |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by asha80(m): 12:11am On Sep 21, 2012 |
katsumoto i think we have had this argument before.for us to have a restructuring of this country there has to be monumental crises of the nature of pre-67 or June 93 effect before it can happen.expecting political leaders existing within the present political structure to change it is like wishing pigs would fly. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Katsumoto: 1:21am On Sep 21, 2012 |
asha 80: katsumoto i think we have had this argument before.for us to have a restructuring of this country there has to be monumental crises of the nature of pre-67 or June 93 effect before it can happen.expecting political leaders existing within the present political structure to change it is like wishing pigs would fly. I agree and that crises will arrive sooner or later. Nigeria is constantly being mentioned in the same sentences as Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and other failed nations. That to me is very ominous. After the storm will come the calm. The current structure can and will not survive. But while waiting for these crises to arrive, people should continue to demand the re-structuring so that no politician will have an excuse when death and destruction is visited on them and their families. 1 Like |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by EkoIle1: 1:43am On Sep 21, 2012 |
Hugoboi: Sorry to burst your burble, Nigeria is not America and what Nigeria is practicing today is not federal system of government. Don't mix illusion with reality. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Nobody: 1:43am On Sep 21, 2012 |
For trouble sake: Someone says there's a gang of gays on NL, yet he's constantly typing Eko Ile's ID. Irony. So many shyfags on NL |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by fagamite: 3:16am On Sep 21, 2012 |
Katsumoto has been on this page all day long. Egbon Adete: Did you spoil your boss' wara or something? |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Demdem(m): 7:55am On Sep 21, 2012 |
asha 80: katsumoto i think we have had this argument before.for us to have a restructuring of this country there has to be monumental crises of the nature of pre-67 or June 93 effect before it can happen.expecting political leaders existing within the present political structure to change it is like wishing pigs would fly. What crisis is more critical and dangerous with what we have at present? Nigerians are killed in hundreds everyday. those recorded and not recorded. if not by Evil Boko, it will be by stray bullets or armed robbers or kidnappers or even numerous road accidents because of bad roads as a result of corruption. The monumental crisis is here with us today and the restructuring must be done now. Its just some few powerful selfish politicians that are hindering this progress. The more reason why we all need to rise up and fight them. Enough of all these mess. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by SlyIg(f): 8:01am On Sep 21, 2012 |
Online politicians! Nigeria will be a better country when you decide to leave online politics to the real democratic parties in Nigeria. Wake up --> logout --> enter Abj and make some changes in d rotten democracy system. Thanks. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by gbadexy(m): 8:43am On Sep 21, 2012 |
I suppose a referendum can be carried out. Can't the people decide what they want. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Katsumoto: 1:13pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
fagamite: Katsumoto has been on this page all day long. I understand your predicament. People who ONLY access the Internet from libraries, cybercafes, and adult education centres are unaware of the benefits to owners/users of smartphones, tablets, and PCs at home/work who may be away from their desks/office/home but still have a page/tab opened on a website. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Katsumoto: 1:17pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
If stakeholders are unable to voice their concerns, frustrations and opinions on an anonymous forum such as this and are attacked by party faithful, how then do the party faithful question/challenge the leadership? |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by nduchucks: 3:14pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
Katsumoto: If stakeholders are unable to voice their concerns, frustrations and opinions on an anonymous forum such as this and are attacked by party faithful, how then do the party faithful question/challenge the leadership? The answer to your question is that, the party faithfuls do not question/challenge leadership. The leaders are essentially idols who are worshiped and never truly challenged. My understanding is that, in Lagos, for instance, when Fashola appeared to be promoting programs that are not in Tinubu's interests, he too was threatened with impeachment e.t.c. Truly leaders like Tinubu have played their roles in the SW and its time for them to get out of the way and let the Fashola and Mimikos to take control. I believe Northerners will be more comfortable with these younger politicians who do not have Tinubu's kind of baggage. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by ektbear: 5:09pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
Katsumoto: 1 Like |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by fagamite: 5:23pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Dude, not everyone can afford smart phones. When you are 99%er and belong to the non-tax paying 47% who vote for Obama no matter what, you more often than not do not have a basic understanding of/access to smartphones & the technical workings of PCs. So dont blame me, blame the 1%er like yourself for not spreading the wealth around. ###person! |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Katsumoto: 5:45pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
fagamite: One could be forgiven for thinking that a man who was bragging about working in 'midtown Manhattan' could afford one of a smartphone or tablet or PC enabled with Internet access. I guess we should file this with your 'attending a Princeton Medical School Satellite Program' file of lies Mr 'study-the-globe-from-a-cybercafe-near-his-Princeton-Medical-School-Satellite-Campus-at-Oshodi'. Thanks for providing the comic relief on the thread. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by sheyguy: 8:13pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
Wtf! A naija man in yankee can afford pc/smart phone. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Hugoboi(m): 8:37am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Eko Ile: Nigeria is not America but botj countries run a system of government which is 95% similar. Please tell me what system of government Nigeria is running, Mr teacher? The reality here is that u really don't seem to grasp the mechanics of government. If u think Nigeria isn't running a federal system of government, then we shouldn't be having this conversation. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Demdem(m): 11:22am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Hugoboi: On paper, what we have is a federal system but in reality its what I prefer to call autocratic federal system. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by aljharem(m): 12:40pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
Demdem: Gbam it is the same autocratic system Tinubu is using so not only the FG but also so called "Asiwajus" |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Akanbiedu(m): 3:01pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
Ah ha. alj harem: So this thread brought you out, You must be a fanatic of Tinubu, like me. LOL |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by aljharem(m): 3:09pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
Akanbi_edu: Ah ha. Yes my brother it brought me out. It drives me crazy when I see people trying to glorify one of the most corrupt individual in SW. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by Akanbiedu(m): 3:16pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
alj harem: Crazy, pele. You will eventually join me in praising Tinubu alj. |
Re: Tinubu Calls For The Abolition Of The Senate by fagamite: 4:10pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
Akanbi_edu: Did I do a good job translating your 'owe?' Awon adete ti o le fun wara, but won ( Katsumoto, Ekiti bear et al) le ba wara je . . . Awon were |
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