emmatok: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Slavery_within_Africa

Slavery in African cultures was generally more like indentured servitude, although in certain parts of sub-Saharan Africa, slaves were used for human sacrifices in annual rituals, such as thoserituals practiced bythe denizens of Dahomey

MacDaddy01:

Please, you rely on that Wikipedia quote to learn about Yoruba history? That yoruba people had slaves which they sacrificed? lolololol. Or were they sacrificing enemies from other tribes or tribal wars? Is Dahomey in Naija?

Lmao. Are you a yoruba person? If not, go and ask Yoruba peeps to educate you.


As for the main point why are you trying to reduce the chattel slavery of yur religion. Did yorubas ship(like the christian Europeans did to Africans) each other like sardines so close that they shyt on each other? Did they chain and whip them to work on farms?

Your christian religion is a slave religion

MacDaddy01:

Please, you rely on that Wikipedia quote to learn about Yoruba history? That yoruba people had slaves which they sacrificed? lolololol. Or were they sacrificing enemies from other tribes or tribal wars? Is Dahomey in Naija?

Lmao. Are you a yoruba person? If not, go and ask Yoruba peeps to educate you.


As for the main point why are you trying to reduce the chattel slavery of yur religion. Did yorubas ship(like the christian Europeans did to Africans) each other like sardines so close that they shyt on each other? Did they chain and whip them to work on farms?



My dear friend stop castigating the christians and Arabs. Africans were also involved in slavery either by capturing or buying and selling. You know so much about foreign slavery because they had books which documented it whereas Africa never documented it in written form but had only oral tales. SLAVERY NA SLAVERY whether servant or watever. Hell there is even modern day slavery and nobody is talking about it. Example.

1 you work for a company for months without pay
2 you hire a househelp and pay peanut or promise to train her but dont or take her to local school which ur children will never attend.
3 Abuja people take your oil and enslave your people to poverty. Hence millitants like MEND spring up to EMANCIPATE YOUR PEOPLE.

It is easy to blame others while we are also involved.



Your christian religion is a slave religion

emmatok:
Well it seems you know noting about history.
I don't need to tell you am from Iperu-Remo have you ever heard of that place before.
I have a lot of documented history about wars and slavery among the Ijebus.

Go learn your history and stop blaming foreigners for you failure.

salt 1:

Not a leap forward, but several leaps backward!
It is too late. You can't turn the hand of the clock. Go and thank the Christian God for sending missionaries that taught your teachers how to read and write who now taught you. Else you won't be here leaping anywhere. Thank them too for allowing your twin relatives to live. Just those 2 are enough. I won't mention reducing your language to an orthographic form

vislabraye:

Heya!! What could be responsible for the killing of twins in Calabar?
Why do African religions permit the human sacrifice

capricon: My dear people, the civilazation as we know it today started and or were spread by

Egyptians- Pagans
Romans---pagans
greece---pagans
mesopotemia and arabs--pagans.

in short paganism does not automatically translate to bushness

Horus: Accepting an imported Alien Religion has killed our peoples minds!.The Black/African does not know the consequences of accepting AN ALIEN RELIGION. For example, if a Black/African person accepts Hinduism as his religion, he should know that he accepted the East Indian as his visible God, and neither can he become equal with or have power over the East Indian, because he has been accepted as the superior power. The same way it is with Judaism, Christianity and Islam or any other religion that is alien to the Black/African people. If a Black/African accepts Judaism and Christianity as his/her religion, he has accepted the Caucasian as his visible God. The same with Islam, if a Black/African person accepts Al Islam and its many branches as there religion, then it accepts the Desert Arab as his God. That person cannot have power over, or be equal to the Caucasian, or Arab because here, the Caucasian and the Arab has been accepted as the superior power, and this is why trying to obtain liberty and equality in Caucasian or Arab religion or any alien religion is a CRUEL HOAX! Hinduism is the spirituality and power of the East Indian; Judaism and Christianity are the religious and spiritual power of the Caucasian race, and the Islam is the spirituality and power of the Arabic race. Never the less, if a Woolly-Haired Black/African Person accepts accepts his own spiritual Black/African science, he has accepted himself and his own kind as the superior power, then our visible and invisible forces and powers can easily work for us and with us for liberation and well being. All religion is alien by Nature to the Woolly-Haired People except our Spiritual Science.If you look at all of the so called Holy Books that our people are into, they all portray the image of someone other than self. There is not a face of Woolly-Haired Black/African people of any of these imported religions.

vislabraye:

Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

vislabraye:

Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

Davidson95: Of a truth u have a glearing point there. The primary stage of fear is gone, people no longer have fear to what they do all in the name that our God is a forgiving God. In the days of sango. Ogun, amadioha etc. U dear not commit any offence that is against the gods, u'll sure pay for it with ur life.

MacDaddy01:


Liar. There is no record of slavery in West Africa before foriegners. Prisoners of war were beheaded or killed. In my village, it is called efa. In the past, enemy tribes were sacrificed or killed. Slaves were never sold as a commodity.




Farm labour came from the wives and the many children of men in those days. Why would we need slaves? Even the king had servants and the servants had their own living quarters and did not serve in chains where I come from in Niger delta.




Keep lying against you ancestors to protect your foriegn religion

PAGAN 9JA:


what do you mean by "in the days of Sango, Amadioha", etc??

The Gods are still being worshipped. we are not dead yet. stop branding us as history. we were the past, are the present and will be the future.

capricon:
who or what do you worship mr? care to enlighten us?

forster: The bible especially the old testament is nothing but the history of the jews. It therefore baffles me why any same man would choose to propagate another man's at the expense of his own history as is the case in africa.
That africa is underdeveloped today is cos we have chosen to abandon our histoty/ tradition and run after an alien religion and culture. Asian countries are where they are today cos they held tightly to their religion/ culture and refused to trade them for any other.
Time has come for africa to retrace its steps cos if we continue in this direction we are headed we would always play 3rd class citizen in the affairs of the world.

PAGAN 9JA:


i am Maguzawa Hausa. i worship Lord Saarkin Aljinnu, the Dark Spirit , the Chief of all other Godly piritual Forces and the Creator in whom resides the light and vice versa. (the forces must be balanced).

Sarki Aljinnu = lodumare = Chukwu = Zeus = Brahma = Pan' Gu' = N'Gai = Ahura Mazda = Allah (Pagan one) = all of the below:


Abassi
Abira
Adroa
Ahone
Ahura Mazda
Aiomun-Kondi
Alatangana
Altjira
Amotken
Amun
Anansi
Anulap
Aramazd
Awonawilona
Bagadjimbiri
Bai-Ulgan
Baiame
Banaitja
Batara Kala
Bathala
Brahma
Bunjil
Cagn
Cghene
Chaotroquin
Chirakan-Ixmucane
Cocijo
Daksha
Damballa
Enki
Eskeri
Gitche Manitou
Great Spirit
Heryshaf
Hœnir
Huracan

MacDaddy01:



My failure? lollololol. Where did I tell you that I'm a failure?


Concerning your "documented" history of slavery among the Ijebus, how come you never gave any specifics? And I hope you now that African history bfore foriegners is oral and not "documented" as you put it.

I am not yoruba by the way and Iknow my history.




The fact remains that Christians and Muslims came to this country with slavery. These religions did not come with peace. They are not much better than pagan religions. Even worse when you realise that Christians and muslims have killed far more than any pagan religion.



Even look at today. Pastors defrauding church members with tithe scams, Children being beaten and killed because iof withcraft accusations, roads blocked because of useless spiritual camps and retreats. Christians dying because their pastors told them that they can be healed through miracles rather than medicine.


You can claim that the christians brought schools but you will only sound like a mental slave. The christians were in Nigeria since 16th century, yet the first schools were in the 19th centurey after the abolitiopn of lsave trade. Apparently schools were too good for the "black monkey slaves"

emmatok:

LOL,
What is your definition of documentation.
engravings, carvings and antiques are part of documentations

MacDaddy01:


Keep shifting goalposts and the topic.

Your christianity is not any better than paganism

ba7man: This is a topic i love. Christianity is a religion in which its foundation is "LOVE". Trust me, if u see ppl doin evil things and they claim to be Christians,they are not following the bible and also Christians base their beliefs on the teachings of Christ. Our traditional religions were relions of "FEAR". Our ancestors worshiped things they didnt understand. THey see a large tree and instead of dominating it(to make tables and chairs) as the God of christianity commands,they worship it. They even worshippd chickenpox "sapona"(like how daft can you get?). Fear restricts discovery and thats why our societies were backwards doin all sorts of funny things when the white christians "dominated" the seas to get to our lands to "dominate" us with our backwards religions.

capricon:


Nice, its good too see a pagan hausa person which is very rare. i thought they were all die hard islamic followers. But tell me do u practice your faith openly without persecution or stigma?

MacDaddy01:



Christ? The same racist guy that clearly said that he came for the lost sheep of isreal only?

ifeness:

can you imagine a black man defending an Arab man. Is it not said in the torah that the black race is a slave to Israel? even religious wise. our people will never learn to throw away those racist bibles. Typical black man's mentality is to be a slave

capricon: Yes there were wars before the coming of europeans and Arabs. History is filled with them. oyo empire was constantly at war with dahomy and Nupe kindom and constantly tried to expand its territory. same with Ashantis just to mention a few. There were numerous intertribal wars. Slavery was also practised, they were often captured in war and sold or serve kings and deities. There is nothing new under the sun