capricon:

Interesting, though I am a catholic Christian, i believe in freedom of religion including traditional religions. We have them in abundance in my village (igbo). I will suggest pushing ur religion for national recognition and your fetival days given some kind of holiday

Yes Thank You! This is exactly what we want. atleast if not National Holidays, it would be great if each region in Nigeria, .g., Igboland has 1 holiday in relation to Odinani religion, etc., had a holiday to their respective traditional religion. In our own country, our National domestic religions do not have a single holiday dedicated to our purpose nor do we have recognition, whereas the foreign religions, spread by slavers, have many. it is so unfair.

Thank you again. Nigeria needs more people like you with your reasoning calibre.

If you get to the prisons, Christians and Moslems are always there but you can hardly see an idol worshiper being imprisoned.

forster: There is no doubt that the bane of african development and the cause of backwardness in africa cannot be divorsed from the encroachment of european/ arabian religion/ culture into africa. When you copy somebody, you can only at best be second to the person you copied.
The europeans/ arabians brainwashed african to the extent of tagging african culture/ tradition as evil, barbaric, dark, devilish and something to be ashamed of and which nobody should associate with. It still baffles me why all these apostles of christianity and islam in africa have not bothered to ask their white and arab masters how come that anithing associated with their god is painted white while devil and evil is associated with black colour.
It is a common knowledge that any society which want to progress cannot relegate its history to the background as has been done by africans. We africans should not forget that its how you dressed that you would be addressed and that its when u called your cloth valueless that your neighbour will use it as rag.
Time for africa to wake up from her day dream is now cos we have lost so much time chasing shadow in the name of european/ arabian culture and religion.

we need all the black fools following the arab's cave men religion to tell us anything good the arab god has done to them. Look around you,its bad roads,bad economy,corruption etc. How long will these idiots remain in darkness for goodness sake?

m.k.o2005:

A fool has said in his heart that there is no God !
No matter how any true Christian try to convince any one who does not believe to believe in God and follow HIS word(JESUS),may just be a wasted effort.Let the non believer hear you and above all,see you live what you preach and you have done ur own part.Christians shouldn't engage in a heated debate with an on believer.The reason is that you can only win them over by the word of God and the word they don't even want to hear,so how possible?With God all things are possible.No wonder christ asked his disciples to leave any home where they are not welcomed as they go about preaching the good news.You can have a debate with a christian who believes in the bible but still see somethings differently as a result of inadequate study of the word or doctrinal issues and it will be fruitful.
There were people and we still have them today who engage in acts that are far from Christianity or contradicts the word and just becos they attend church or profess Christianity.These guys aren't christians.
I rest my case.God bless you all

You seriously need to wake up man!

An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish woman swings a chicken over her family during the Kaparot ceremony in Bnei Brak, Israel. The ritual is supposed to transfer the sins of the past year to the chicken, and is performed before the Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which is the most important day in the Jewish calendar.
Many Christian Pentecostal fanatical idiots would easily condemned Africa’ religious belief system as evil. The above is from the nationality of Jesus Christ

Source: Nigerians Must Unite And Liberate Nigeria.

The oyinbo took divination from black africans, used it to develop binary systems a.k.a. computing, and have been dominating the world with information and communication technology. Many Christian/Muslim black Africans have been rejecting this same divination that the Almighty gave us for consultations and rushing to copy the information tech of the oyinbo which is still inferior and not authentic.

http://www.ted.com/talks/ron_eglash_on_african_fractals.html

(I don't yet know how to post the TED video directly on Nairaland)

amor4ce:

An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish woman swings a chicken over her family during the Kaparot ceremony in Bnei Brak, Israel. The ritual is supposed to transfer the sins of the past year to the chicken, and is performed before the Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which is the most important day in the Jewish calendar.
Many Christian Pentecostal fanatical idiots would easily condemned Africa’ religious belief system as evil. The above is from the nationality of Jesus Christ

Source: Nigerians Must Unite And Liberate Nigeria.

that is wrong ritual and context. you cannot transfer human material sins to innocent animals. not ethical and not possible.

useless jews..

capricon:

Interesting, though I am a catholic Christian, i believe in freedom of religion including traditional religions. We have them in abundance in my village (igbo). I will suggest pushing ur religion for national recognition and your fetival days given some kind of holiday

You are a person who deserves all my respect.
Not everyone should think the same way ... that is what diversity.
Exisen cultural issues that have little to do with the identity of the people, and that should be respected.
Freedom of worship is provided in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The blind religious fanaticism.
Your attitude is honest, fair, and respectful.
Thank you.
My respects!

amor4ce:

An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish woman swings a chicken over her family during the Kaparot ceremony in Bnei Brak, Israel. The ritual is supposed to transfer the sins of the past year to the chicken, and is performed before the Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which is the most important day in the Jewish calendar.
Many Christian Pentecostal fanatical idiots would easily condemned Africa’ religious belief system as evil. The above is from the nationality of Jesus Christ

Source: Nigerians Must Unite And Liberate Nigeria.

Dear Brother:
You and I are following the same reasoning.
Christians judge others, but they forget their essence and their bible.
Christianity has doctina own, they quote the Bible but do not know, they imitate Jewish , Christian and traditionalist ceremonies ..
Orthodox Jews still today approve human sacrifcios!
Very good post, dear friend!

Very very interesting reading,

I'm encouraged that there are more and more people thinking outside the box and stepping away from the colonial mentality (which includes Islam and Christianity as they are currently practiced in Nigeria. It would be different if we made them our own for the betterment of our society (like the Europeans did with Christianity because guess what - Christianitiy is of middle eastern origins NOT caucasian), but we do not.

Question to these people - what's your story - those of you who think as above. Have you always lived in Nigeria? Because if you've come to the above conclusion while always living at home, that would be awesome - it would indicate that some indegenes are waking up, and didn't have to leave the country to do so. I say that because my example is different - I don't know if I would think as I do now if I hadn't left. Speaking of thinking as I do now, I don't understand all those who say that they accepted Christianity because it's more rational to them. I don't get it because the minute I started thinking about Christianity rationally was the minute it stopped making sense to me - okay, perhaps not the minute - it occurred slowly, very slowly over time for me to finally accept that blind obedience based on faith especially when looked at under the lens of history makes absolutely no sense in terms of societal advancement.

And those who equate Christianity with literacy - I believe some have already pointed out that the early pagan religions formed the foundation of the West's literacy including reading and writing (Ancient Egypt and Greece anyone)? Furthermore, early scholars were branded as heretics by Christian priests and the like - Galileo anyone? So they are not synonymous even in Europe where some have equated Christianity with the advent of the Dark Ages. Religion of most kinds lead to complacency because they do not champion rationility and continued development (things tend to be set in stone and there is constant resistance to change, as others have pointed out). I put traditional religion in this realm as well, however, if traditional religions can be unified and modernized - if the different deities were to encourage their patrons to acquire scientific knowledge and understanding of the world around them, to care for an accept others NOT BY TALK or based on class (as is so common with the Nigerian Christian) but SOLELY by works, to encourage the uplifting of entire communities by people working together instead of the belief of personal wealth held by one too many Nigerian Christians, then maybe we can get somewhere...

Someone mentioned recognizing traditional religions in the form of a national holiday/holidays. That's a start - don't know how plausible it is in Nigeria given the way the country is run by the educated Christians and Muslims (pun intended), but we could start an online petition asking for this recognition. We could select four religions (specific to the North, East, South and Western areas) and go from there. At least, we can generate some noise, maybe even get into some Nigerian newspapers? Again - we'll need to modernize these religions to focus on unity, collective wealth and national success rather than individual blessings.

Talk is cheap. Let's DO something about this!

I am SICK and TIRED of the attitudes of the average Nigerian. It drove me INSANE the last time I went home. A country that professes to be so religious should NOT be so corrupt. It's time to do something to change our mentality.

ezicat: Very very interesting reading,

I'm encouraged that there are more and more people thinking outside the box and stepping away from the colonial mentality (which includes Islam and Christianity as they are currently practiced in Nigeria. It would be different if we made them our own for the betterment of our society (like the Europeans did with Christianity because guess what - Christianitiy is of middle eastern origins NOT caucasian), but we do not.

yes they used it for the betterment of the society after damaging the original stable society), but at WHAT COST? at the sufferrings of other peoples around the world! we Africans must not go the same evil path as theirs neither will we go. we have to much self-respect for that, i am sure. .

I put traditional religion in this realm as well, however, if traditional religions can be unified and modernized - if the different deities were to encourage their patrons to acquire scientific knowledge and understanding of the world around them, to care for an accept others NOT BY TALK or based on class (as is so common with the Nigerian Christian) but SOLELY by works, to encourage the uplifting of entire communities by people working together instead of the belief of personal wealth held by one too many Nigerian Christians, then maybe we can get somewhere...

The progress of a Pagan religion depends on the encouragement of its people along with the development of the aforesaid people's society. look at how advanced Hinduism today is. they have compiled so many treatises, epics, medicine, scientific knowledge etc., based on their religion. today, in India and China, traditional medicine is taken very seriously, with docatorates, degrees, etc., handed out.
in the past, it was Ancient Gyptian Religon, Mayan Religion and reco-Roman religion that were the forerunners.

coming back to Nigerian religions, you will notice how developed Ifa Orisha/ Beninese Vodun religion of the Yorubas is, when compared to Odinani of the Igbo and my very own Hausa religion. this is because Yoruba religion has a wider following and adherence not only in Nigeria but elsewhere and especially even in neigbouring Benin & Togo (53%).

ezicat: Very very interesting reading,

I'm encouraged that there are more and more people thinking outside the box and stepping away from the colonial mentality (which includes Islam and Christianity as they are currently practiced in Nigeria. It would be different if we made them our own for the betterment of our society (like the Europeans did with Christianity because guess what - Christianitiy is of middle eastern origins NOT caucasian), but we do not.

Question to these people - what's your story - those of you who think as above. Have you always lived in Nigeria? Because if you've come to the above conclusion while always living at home, that would be awesome - it would indicate that some indegenes are waking up, and didn't have to leave the country to do so. I say that because my example is different - I don't know if I would think as I do now if I hadn't left. Speaking of thinking as I do now, I don't understand all those who say that they accepted Christianity because it's more rational to them. I don't get it because the minute I started thinking about Christianity rationally was the minute it stopped making sense to me - okay, perhaps not the minute - it occurred slowly, very slowly over time for me to finally accept that blind obedience based on faith especially when looked at under the lens of history makes absolutely no sense in terms of societal advancement.

And those who equate Christianity with literacy - I believe some have already pointed out that the early pagan religions formed the foundation of the West's literacy including reading and writing (Ancient Egypt and Greece anyone)? Furthermore, early scholars were branded as heretics by Christian priests and the like - Galileo anyone? So they are not synonymous even in Europe where some have equated Christianity with the advent of the Dark Ages. Religion of most kinds lead to complacency because they do not champion rationility and continued development (things tend to be set in stone and there is constant resistance to change, as others have pointed out). I put traditional religion in this realm as well, however, if traditional religions can be unified and modernized - if the different deities were to encourage their patrons to acquire scientific knowledge and understanding of the world around them, to care for an accept others NOT BY TALK or based on class (as is so common with the Nigerian Christian) but SOLELY by works, to encourage the uplifting of entire communities by people working together instead of the belief of personal wealth held by one too many Nigerian Christians, then maybe we can get somewhere...

Excellent post!
Everything evolves!
The christianity and Islam have changed a lot!
They study the tactics to continue to attract followers .... to benefit deprivation and poverty and ignorance.
Africa must regain his identity, must honor their ancestors and history.
We must not make mistakes like those committed by Abimbola, who sold the rich historical heritage, by political necessity.
My respects.

ezicat: Someone mentioned recognizing traditional religions in the form of a national holiday/holidays. That's a start - don't know how plausible it is in Nigeria given the way the country is run by the educated Christians and Muslims (pun intended), but we could start an online petition asking for this recognition. We could select four religions (specific to the North, East, South and Western areas) and go from there. At least, we can generate some noise, maybe even get into some Nigerian newspapers? Again - we'll need to modernize these religions to focus on unity, collective wealth and national success rather than individual blessings.

Talk is cheap. Let's DO something about this!

I am SICK and TIRED of the attitudes of the average Nigerian. It drove me INSANE the last time I went home. A country that professes to be so religious should NOT be so corrupt. It's time to do something to change our mentality.

With respect to the traditional religion, and the same problem that exists worldwide.
I've had the honor of meeting many countries, and in each case the same: the pressure of foreign religions. Not only is a problem of Africa ... belongs to everyone.
I share your opinion ... of course! We gotta get out, and they see that we exist ... Enough inferoiridad complexes; preconceptions Enough!
We are what we are, and we are no less than any European nor any Arab!

In this type of thread, we see that there are a minority. They make more noise, they are fanatics. Show our consistency, rationality and common sense ...
We begin walking very few (as in this forum), but gradually awaken Mother Africa and be thousands.
Se alàáfiá!
A hug and my respect!

PAGAN 9JA:


yes they used it for the betterment of the society after damaging the original stable society), but at WHAT COST? at the sufferrings of other peoples around the world! we Africans must not go the same evil path as theirs neither will we go. we have to much self-respect for that, i am sure. .




The progress of a Pagan religion depends on the encouragement of its people along with the development of the aforesaid people's society. look at how advanced Hinduism today is. they have compiled so many treatises, epics, medicine, scientific knowledge etc., based on their religion. today, in India and China, traditional medicine is taken very seriously, with docatorates, degrees, etc., handed out.
in the past, it was Ancient Gyptian Religon, Mayan Religion and reco-Roman religion that were the forerunners.

coming back to Nigerian religions, you will notice how developed Ifa Orisha/ Beninese Vodun religion of the Yorubas is, when compared to Odinani of the Igbo and my very own Hausa religion. this is because Yoruba religion has a wider following and adherence not only in Nigeria but elsewhere and especially even in neigbouring Benin & Togo (53%).

An authoritative word, of a brother, I totally agree.
Possibly, there are more traditional cults spread abroad, than others.
But in America, is not indifferent to the African process.
Best wishes dear brother!

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No biblical quotation can save anyone one of you if God HIMSELF(Almighty God)does not come into the matter proper using HIS spirit(HOLY SPIRIT) You guys reiterate that Christianity is imported religion.That's very very true that we need not to be told or reminded cos we know. There are good imports and there are toxins that people also import into the country.
But i tell you that the best thing that ever happened to man the creation of the Almighty God is to bring back to us that which the devil stole from mankind right in the garden of EDEN.And now some ignorant and prodigal children of the Almighty God said we should throw it away or put it side by side with the devilish practice of our ignorant fathers.
How come you want us to discard Christianity which you said is foreign and you still want to wear the clothes and also use the mirrors and combs given to you by the foreigners just to say the very very least ?You can go pick up ur raffia attires and use dem for cover !
Now listen,for those of you who were once Christians and have started to consider this useless write up concerning the adoption of fetish and devilish traditional beliefs,this is what the WORD of the Almighty God of heavens and the earth,the creator of all things and the maker of man both the atheist,the traditional fetish/devilish believers,the GOD of the ignorant and the God of the saved has got to say ''The proverb is true that describes what has happened to them'A dog returns to it's VOMIT 'and a PIG that is washed goes back to wallow in the mud'' What a pity but the lord God Almighty will deliver HIS people.
I know having seen all these,''A fool has said in his heart that there is no God'' Shalom !

PAGAN 9JA:


yes they used it for the betterment of the society after damaging the original stable society), but at WHAT COST? at the sufferrings of other peoples around the world! we Africans must not go the same evil path as theirs neither will we go. we have to much self-respect for that, i am sure. .




The progress of a Pagan religion depends on the encouragement of its people along with the development of the aforesaid people's society. look at how advanced Hinduism today is. they have compiled so many treatises, epics, medicine, scientific knowledge etc., based on their religion. today, in India and China, traditional medicine is taken very seriously, with docatorates, degrees, etc., handed out.
in the past, it was Ancient Gyptian Religon, Mayan Religion and reco-Roman religion that were the forerunners.

coming back to Nigerian religions, you will notice how developed Ifa Orisha/ Beninese Vodun religion of the Yorubas is, when compared to Odinani of the Igbo and my very own Hausa religion. this is because Yoruba religion has a wider following and adherence not only in Nigeria but elsewhere and especially even in neigbouring Benin & Togo (53%).

No biblical quotation can save anyone one of you if God HIMSELF(Almighty God)does not come into the matter proper using HIS spirit(HOLY SPIRIT) You guys reiterate that Christianity is imported religion.That's very very true that we need not to be told or reminded cos we know. There are good imports and there are toxins that people also import into the country.
But i tell you that the best thing that ever happened to man the creation of the Almighty God is to bring back to us that which the devil stole from mankind right in the garden of EDEN.And now some ignorant and prodigal children of the Almighty God said we should throw it away or put it side by side with the devilish practice of our ignorant fathers.
How come you want us to discard Christianity which you said is foreign and you still want to wear the clothes and also use the mirrors and combs given to you by the foreigners just to say the very very least ?You can go pick up ur raffia attires and use dem for cover !
Now listen,for those of you who were once Christians and have started to consider this useless write up concerning the adoption of fetish and devilish traditional beliefs,this is what the WORD of the Almighty God of heavens and the earth,the creator of all things and the maker of man both the atheist,the traditional fetish/devilish believers,the GOD of the ignorant and the God of the saved has got to say ''The proverb is true that describes what has happened to them'A dog returns to it's VOMIT 'and a PIG that is washed goes back to wallow in the mud'' What a pity but the lord God Almighty will deliver HIS people.

Ptolomeus:

You are a person who deserves all my respect.
Not everyone should think the same way ... that is what diversity.
Exisen cultural issues that have little to do with the identity of the people, and that should be respected.
Freedom of worship is provided in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The blind religious fanaticism.
Your attitude is honest, fair, and respectful.
Thank you.
My respects!

Hey ! I put it to you that you will do a good work for the Almighty God.This is becos the course you are trying to push now is a useless and will for sure be a futile one.It's not a prayer but a statement of fact.Try to take us forward and not backward.
If you try to run away from the good work of preaching the good news,(the holy IMPORTED bible)u will still accept it any how ! Though HE has given us a liberal mind and also to choose FREELY what so ever we want.But becos of HE is God,we can't question his authority.But even if you do question HIM,HE is a merciful God. Try it with ur FETISH DEVILISH traditional gods,u will have or self to blame if u will be alive to tell the story.
Don't be like the FOOLS who have said there is no God ! Shalom

Horus: If you get to the prisons, Christians and Moslems are always there but you can hardly see an idol worshiper being imprisoned.

How many of them do you have around or how many do you know ?The fetish/devilish traditionalist are not known.For me i dnt see them at all ! Besides some of the people you think are Christians are just church goers not CHRISTIANS my friend.
Watch out for true Christians you dnt see them in prisons even if they are there,it could be that they were wrongly accused or they have gone there to preach the HOLY IMPORTED BIBLE as you guys call it !
Don't be like the FOOLS who have said there is no God !

amor4ce: Christianity is a lie from Lucifer and was/has/will never be from the Scriptures.

Sea reasoning ! You believe in Lucifer and you do not believe in God ! Christians follow christ (God) UR QUESTION SHOULD BE; do they do it the right way ?
Open ur mind to the good and only way to life -JESUS CHRIST THE SOON COMING KING !

Ptolomeus:
Excellent remark!
Historically, killing in the name of "Christ the King" ...

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Revolva:
Truth talk jare don't mind all of them even the written text book they have read about history is partially correct .the westerners jave elements they put together in education to confuse us also - to also make us believe that there were slave trades existing before they came - haba lies --africa is lost in his own history

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

PAGAN 9JA:



ahahahahahahahh NOW BLAME YOUR PROBLEMS ON US PAGANS! so where the witch burnings of europe done by Pagans or Pagan influence, 1000 years after the death of euopean tribes and Paganism was the spanish nd portugues inquisitions that tortured millions of people around the world, on the order of the pope, also influenced by us Pagans



christian priests supervising torture victim under the law of Heretic Perversy

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Ptolomeus:

PLASTERMAN
Poorly educate sir:
I did not publish photos of drought. The hands are not chained drought ... You lied constantly, you disrespected me, as I wrote about education. You published something false, demonstrated that you are a coward. You have not had the guts or arguments to defend your religion. You've been a fool, because I proved that their religion has always been the most murderous, cruel and discriminating in all. Christians should be ashamed of liars and phonies like you in the ranks.
I repeat to you: your religion is to blame for the deplorable situation in Africa at all levels. You are a servant of the slavers, a mindless.

Formally asked the moderators to remove his false post, and I keep waiting for your apology, if you have at least some dignity.

BY CHRISTIAN INVESTMENT IN WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.[/quote]
Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The people who crucified our lord Jesus Christ were they also Christians ? The devil only made the people who claim to be followers of Christ and may be some of you also believe you are all Christians ! The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Ptolomeus:


Dear Brother:
You and I are following the same reasoning.
Christians judge others, but they forget their essence and their bible.
Christianity has doctina own, they quote the Bible but do not know, they imitate Jewish , Christian and traditionalist ceremonies ..
Orthodox Jews still today approve human sacrifcios!
Very good post, dear friend!

Are orthodox jews Christians ?You guys dnt know what Christianity is.Go through the teachings of our lord Jesus and come back to tell me that animal blood sacrifices can be practiced by Christians.

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The people who crucified our lord Jesus Christ were they also Christians ? The devil only made the people who claim to be followers of Christ and may be some of you also believe you are all Christians ! The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

m.k.o2005:

Are orthodox jews Christians ?You guys dnt know what Christianity is.Go through the teachings of our lord Jesus and come back to tell me that animal blood sacrifices can be practiced by Christians.

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The people who crucified our lord Jesus Christ were they also Christians ? The devil only made the people who claim to be followers of Christ and may be some of you also believe you are all Christians ! The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

The christ you follow killed himself. Suicide by assisted crucifixion. Jesus could have escaped the betrayal but wanted to be martyred like a terrorist.

Furthermore, Jesus was racist to the canaanite woman

m.k.o2005:

God said we should throw it away or put it side by side with the devilish practice of our ignorant fathers.

I am sorry that your parents have been ignorant.
Surely, ignorant parents, are born ignorant people like you.
You talk about fetishes?
This is a fetish ...
You do not judge, or you will be judged!

My respects!