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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 11:06am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: You are desperately picking at straws. The point was that in their wrong estimation, the earth was flat. Yet they used that wrong estimation in making vehicles to move from point A to Point B. Anony's example on the flat earth is slam on point. Mazaje was just pedantically picking at straws. The substance of the argument is that man did not know the overall nature of the earth as spherical at some point in time. He thought the earth flat. But this wrong notion of the earth's nature did not stop him from making carts and chariots to move about from place to place. THEREFORE man being wrong about the overall structure of the universe would not necessarily stop him from being able to move in the universe! Better knowledge would simply mean that he moves about better. Most importantly, contrary to martian's suggestion, moving around successfully in chariots did not prove that early men were right and the earth was flat. As such moving about successfully from one planet to another does not prove that current scientists are right about the overall nature of the universe or the commencement of spacetime. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 11:07am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:lol, This challenge that jokingly suggests that you are incapable of thought, though it started out as a joke, it is becoming more and more likely to be not too far from the tuth. I was about to reply you when I saw that deep sight has already done the honors. You need to learn to think man. Seriously |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:10am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Lol......That was not Anony's point. Addressing the point you made in bold; Believing in a flat earth will not stop you from building houses but it will stop you from getting an accurate model of the solar system and the big bang. Simple. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:11am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Sir, I throway salute to you! Your dodging knows no bounds! |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 11:16am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Umm.......that was my point. problem is that you missed it MacDaddy01:double salute to you.....your inability to reason is unlimited |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 11:18am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: If you think that was not his point, then indeed logical constructs and analogies are a problem for you. Addressing the point you made in bold; See my edit of your post and hopefully you will get the point. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:22am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Sir Anony aka Sir remix alot! You were saying "calculations based on a flat earth" and now you are changing your point to flat earth did not stop people from creating structures? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:24am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Deep Sight: That was not Anony's point. Stop defending him. He got debunked and now he is tryong to change his point. He clearly said "calculations from a flat earth"! As for your edit, that is cool but, I was not addressing that |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 11:28am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Martian: As mis-defined by scientists. The motion of the expansion caused spacetime and our movement through spacetime is what we call "time". If this was the case, an expansion would not be possible. If the earth stopped moving, gravity(the curvature of spacetime) will make it fall out of it's orbit,and all other kinds of fun stuff would happen........But let' assume the earth stops rotating on its axis and stops its revolution around the sun. How would you tell time? We know there would be terrible consequences if so any hypothetical reason the earth stopped moving, but glad you understand its an analogy. If the earth stopped moving and you and I remain alive here for any period on it, it would still take you five minutes to sit still and meditate on your day, and when you have finished you would know that that meditation is in the past. Indeed whatever else happes, you would recognize events as receding into teh past. Time would still exist. And this would apply even if we hypothetically lived in a stationary universe where the planets, stars and galaxies were not moving: there would still be a precept of past, present and future: If all galaxies stopped moving right now, would time cease to exist? Now let me ask you another question: if the universe starts collapsing - that is, galaxies start moving back closer to one another - would time "move backward?" - Will we time travel to our past? If the earth starts rotating backwards around the sun, would that bring back the events of yesterday and yester years? What this shows is that times exists regardless of whether cosmic bodies move or not. Thus we cannot say that time is created by movement of cosmic bodies: rather time is a perfect intangible. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 11:38am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: MacDaddy01:Wow, your ability to comprehend is very little. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:40am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: lol....and your ability to dodge is too much! |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 11:42am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: This instance is just amazing. Frankly amazing. I can't beleive anyone would be that obtuse. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 11:47am On Sep 27, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Obtuse? lol....okay. Can you please ask Anony why he then found me intelligent after meeting me in person? I think the problem here is that we are all lost in text....maybe |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 11:59am On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:lol, blaming me for your inadequacy won't help you. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 12:00pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Frankly, the more I chat with you on here, the more I doubt my impressions from that meeting |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 12:01pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: lol. ![]() This coming from someone claiming that numbers exist in the real world? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 12:02pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: So, I'm a schizphrenic? Genius by day, dumbazz by night? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 12:08pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Frankly I don't know anymore. There are points I expect that with your level of education, you would grasp easily only for you to disappoint me by displaying secondary school level reasoning. Maybe something happens to you once you meet a keypad, I really can't tell. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 12:09pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: lol.....you're confused. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by styca(m): 1:03pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
mmh am so impressed with every one's power of reasoning.... its really inspiring. from my observations,and personal opinion,we all hold different views about "things", you may or not believe in God, in the universe or what not.. but for me what is important is making "good" this life am living right now. whether there is a God or not,whether the universe is expanding or not but living this life such that I WILL BE AT PEACE WITH MYSELF. though it is interesting to read what others have to say in certain issues am learning. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by mkmyers45(m): 1:13pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:Energy is best seen by its manifestations which we know to be eternal and constant [never changing]. Some energy manifestations are not material thats why i used the entity tag in abstract.. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 1:52pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
mkmyers45: Energy is best seen by its manifestations which we know to be eternal and constant [never changing]. Some energy manifestations are not material thats why i used the entity tag in abstract..My friend, this is exactly why we cannot define energy as eternal. We can define it as infinite but definitely not eternal. Eternal is what we use to define a specific entity with known attributes which also has the quality of timelessness. For instance, we can say that numbers are infinite but we cannot say that numbers are eternal. Energy cannot exist on it's own, energy is only what we use to explain matter and it's motions, when it is moving, we call it kinetic and when it is at rest we talk about it's potential to move. Basically, what Einstein was talking about was that the faster a body moves, the more it sheds it's mass until it becomes so small and disappears emitting energy (light). However, since the speed of light was the highest speed known to einstein, smallest particle known to einstein was then the photon. If the photon could move even faster, then it would tend even closer and closer to nothingness i.e. no mass and consequently no energy. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 2:07pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Let us end this argument for once. Anony and Deepsight, both of you have different gods (Yaweh and deist god) How do you reach the conclusion that your god made the universe when no one knows what came before the big bang? Whatever caused or came before the big bang is unknown. How can you claim to know that it is a god? Is it some kind of faith without evidence? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 2:27pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Let us end this argument for once.lol...........Ok let us settle this argument for once How do you reach the conclusion that the message you just typed is the product of a mind? No one knows what happened before you started typing. Whatever causes you to type is unknown. No one knows what went on with you before your message appeared, how can you claim that you are capable of thought? Is this some kind of faith without evidence? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by Areaboy2(m): 2:30pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Are you now stealing ideas from Sam Harris to support your faith ? Fail! ![]() |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 2:42pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Throway salute. Epic sophistry there! You fail! Sorry but your statement in bold makes no sense. The brain is used for thinking- as mapped out by neurologists. Simple thought process. I thought about writing something and my brain and CNS (central nevrvous system) helped me move my hands to type it. It is known. Thought processes, the human brain and body have been studied to a degree that we understand what happens. You on the other hand claim to know what happened before the big bang. Your argument was a fail and very invalid. It made no sense. Please try again |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 2:47pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Area_boy:What? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 2:52pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Good, now listen . . . and I hope you get this. The only way we know that thought exists is by inference from actions. No one has ever seen, heard or touched a thought. we only infer it by observing actions and activity in the brain. In the same way, the universe, it's working order and the fact that it has a beginning demonstrate that it has a creator. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by mazaje(m): 3:19pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Why a creator? why not many creators?. . . |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 3:25pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Wrong. Please use another analogy. Thoughts are memory based. What constitute our memories? Things that we have visualized (seen) with out eyes and our brain processes and records them. Thoughts are a product of a thinking human brain. We know where our thoughts come from, we know how they are formed. The process is well detailed in neurology. We might not fully know the whole process but we know a lot about it. Unfortunately your claims about an orderly universe is wrong and so, no such inference can be made on such a premise. There is randomness, order and chaos in nature in the workings of the universe. You cant just select the order, put aside the randomness and then claim that god created an orderly universe. No one knows what comes before the big bang. Your inference is illogical. The big bang model works without a god. There is no god in the calculations. The inference of a god behind the big bang is pure fantasy. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 3:40pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Once again, the analogy is lost on you. SMH |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 3:45pm On Sep 27, 2012 |
mazaje:Lol.....Mazaje enters the building one more time. We have had this exact same exchange before, go look up my response, I haven't changed my position. |
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