Ihedinobi:

Could you please define self-sufficiency?

"Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival"

Kay 17:

"Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival"

Could you please show how that invalidates my use of it in the op?

^^
Didn't say it was invalid, rather inadequate

Kay 17: ^^
Didn't say it was invalid, rather inadequate

Ok. What makes it inadequate?

And the resounding silence!!! It has lasted for 4months now

@iheindon

For this reason

Kay 17:

Supernatural popped up in one of the definition, and as I said before, self sufficiency is inadequate, cos it doesnt address a conscious being, or attach any role of a Creator, or an object of worship or morality.

Are you saying that a conscious being cannot be self-sufficient? Or that a creator cannot be self-sufficient? Or an object of morality and worship cannpt be self-sufficient?

By the way, I have responded on the other thread. Currently waiting on you.

Don't you people ever get tired of the cyclical, fruitless arguments?

Ishilove: Don't you people ever get tired of the cyclical, fruitless arguments?

Coming from the repetitive romance section addict. Always looking for textual love

MacDaddy01:


Coming from the repetitive romance section addict. Always looking for textual love

You must have me mistaken for someone else, LB. I visit that section once in a blue moon

Ishilove:
You must have me mistaken for someone else, LB. I visit that section once in a blue moon

Yet, your thread made frontpage. How?

MacDaddy01:

Yet, your thread made frontpage. How?

It's a mystery.

Ihedinobi: Are you saying that a conscious being cannot be self-sufficient? Or that a creator cannot be self-sufficient? Or an object of morality and worship cannpt be self-sufficient?

By the way, I have responded on the other thread. Currently waiting on you.

You earlier defined God as just self sufficient, and I'm saying that God being only self sufficient, doesn't say if he is a creator or conscious, which are attributes you want to give to God.

Kay 17:

You earlier defined God as just self sufficient, and I'm saying that God being only self sufficient, doesn't say if he is a creator or conscious, which are attributes you want to give to God.

Alright, how does self-sufficiency exclude creatorhood or consciousness?

And, why does your definition of God have to include consciousness and creatorhood?

Digression

Ihe, how bodi?


/Digression

Enigma: Digression

Ihe, how bodi?


/Digression

I've been having an extremely tough time, Enigma, thanks for asking. How have you been, brother?

I'm ok on the whole; let's do email?

Enigma: I'm ok on the whole; let's do email?

Yeah...lets do email


Would you like to read an atheist poem about god?

Ihedinobi:

I've been having an extremely tough time , Enigma, thanks for asking. How have you been, brother?

Just tell me who is messing with my brother Ihedinobi and I'll take them out quick...just say the word...my spiritual 9mm is on standby.

Enigma: I'm ok on the whole; let's do email?

Sure. Thanks.

JeSoul: Just tell me who is messing with my brother Ihedinobi and I'll take them out quick...just say the word...my spiritual 9mm is on standby.

Oh Lord! The LOVE!! Mehn, am I glad to be born in this house. Thanks sis.

MacDaddy01:



Yeah...lets do email


Would you like to read an atheist poem about god?

Enigma? Where is the christian love?

Ihedinobi:

Alright, how does self-sufficiency exclude creatorhood or consciousness?

And, why does your definition of God have to include consciousness and creatorhood?

It doesn't exclude or include creatorhood and consciousness either. So you ought to have added more attributes other than simply self sufficiency.

One more point on self sufficiency, it implies a lack of want and need.

Kay 17:

It doesn't exclude or include creatorhood and consciousness either. So you ought to have added more attributes other than simply self sufficiency.

One more point on self sufficiency, it implies a lack of want and need.

Quite the gymnast, my friend, aren't you? It does get old at a point.

You obviously have a problem with my choosing self-sufficiency as the full definition of God. What exactly is this problem? You want me to give a full list of attributes ascribable to God? Very simply, self-sufficiency is a sufficient definition for God because that which is God is that which is completely satisfied in itself, it is that which owes its existence to nothing, it is that which finally explains existence and all questions associated with it. Whether or not it is a creator or conscious or whatever does not make it less or more self-sufficient. We may argue whether or not that which is self-sufficient must also be a creator or conscious or any other thing, but that is another issue altogether. Basically, that which is God is that without any need. Now, I have posited in the op that no worldview is completely devoid of an element of self-sufficiency, do you disagree?

And, self-suFficiency does imply a lack of need but not of want by which I mean desire.

Ihedinobi:

Quite the gymnast, my friend, aren't you? It does get old at a point.

You obviously have a problem with my choosing self-sufficiency as the full definition of God. What exactly is this problem? You want me to give a full list of attributes ascribable to God? Very simply, self-sufficiency is a sufficient definition for God because that which is God is that which is completely satisfied in itself, it is that which owes its existence to nothing, it is that which finally explains existence and all questions associated with it. Whether or not it is a creator or conscious or whatever does not make it less or more self-sufficient. We may argue whether or not that which is self-sufficient must also be a creator or conscious or any other thing, but that is another issue altogether. Basically, that which is God is that without any need. Now, I have posited in the op that no worldview is completely devoid of an element of self-sufficiency, do you disagree?

And, self-suFficiency does imply a lack of need but not of want by which I mean desire.

Anomy! what have you done to ihedinobi?

Ihedinobi:

I've been having an extremely tough time, Enigma, thanks for asking. How have you been, brother?

It is well my brother... remember, the God you serve is more than able to see you through.

davidylan:

It is well my brother... remember, the God you serve is more than able to see you through.

Thank you very much, dear brother.

Ihedinobi:

Quite the gymnast, my friend, aren't you? It does get old at a point.

You obviously have a problem with my choosing self-sufficiency as the full definition of God. What exactly is this problem? You want me to give a full list of attributes ascribable to God? Very simply, self-sufficiency is a sufficient definition for God because that which is God is that which is completely satisfied in itself, it is that which owes its existence to nothing, it is that which finally explains existence and all questions associated with it. Whether or not it is a creator or conscious or whatever does not make it less or more self-sufficient. We may argue whether or not that which is self-sufficient must also be a creator or conscious or any other thing, but that is another issue altogether. Basically, that which is God is that without any need. Now, I have posited in the op that no worldview is completely devoid of an element of self-sufficiency, do you disagree?

And, self-suFficiency does imply a lack of need but not of want by which I mean desire.

Yet you can not subtract Consciousness and some form of freewill from God's character and leave him the same. There would be some substantial difference. God is a Person who consciously takes decisions and options.

Absolute self sufficieny eliminates all needs, wants and DESIRES, and leaves one with a sense of total satisfaction.

To your question, your OP was vague/ambiguous. Self sufficieny what?

Kay 17:

Yet you can not subtract Consciousness and some form of freewill from God's character and leave him the same. There would be some substantial difference. God is a Person who consciously takes decisions and options.

Absolute self sufficieny eliminates all needs, wants and DESIRES, and leaves one with a sense of total satisfaction.

To your question, your OP was vague/ambiguous. Self sufficieny what?

Kay 17:

"Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival"

The above was your definition of self-sufficiency. You may stop wasting my time now.

PS: I'm getting off the merry-go-round, that's why I'm ignoring the rest of your post.

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Ihedinobi:



The above was your definition of self-sufficiency. You may stop wasting my time now.

PS: I'm getting off the merry-go-round, that's why I'm ignoring the rest of your post.

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musKeeto:
Just popped in to say hi.. Hw u dey?

I'm fine, man. How you been?