@Mckybarf: This may your fate if you die in the faith you are in now: I do not know ye, Jesus will say to even the great miracle workers in his name.

ghazzal:

whatever your Question is, Google it for answers. he did a load of good things.

Lol, if he did lots of good no need for me to google. You would even know them by heart. Maybe you tried google and found out he did little or no good. Your failure to Point out one tells me he wasn't a nice man.

may i ask you how rich he was before his death? YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW MUHAMMED(SAW)

aha, who told you he wasn't rich?
Can a poor man maintain more than 15wives and sex slaves?

Muhammad was a pauper when he married to Khadijah who was a wealthy woman. As soon as he married his “sugar mommy” he stopped working and left Khadijah to take care of his 6 children in addition to her other 3 children from her previous marriages. He himself spent his time in caves, secluded from the society, engulfed in his psychotic reveries. When Khadijah died, Muhammad was again a pauper to the extent that when he arrived in
Medina the Ansar and the Jews used to send him dates so he does not sleep hungry. Ten years later, he was the absolute potentate of the entire
Arabia .

Where from he accumulated this much riches and slaves? Did he work? He became the wealthiest man through looting. Not only he kept 20% of all the spoils of war for himself, when some tribes surrendered without a fight, for example the Bani Nadir or the Bani Quraiza,

Muhammad kept everything to himself because, as he argued, Muslims did not fight in those wars. The crooked man did not take into consideration that even though his benighted followers did not fight, the reason these tribes surrendered was because they feared the savagery of Muslims.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 19, #2961:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
Malik ibn Aws al-Hadthan said: One of the arguments put forward by Umar
was that he said that the Apostle received three things exclusively to himself: Banu an-Nadir, Khaybar and Fadak. The Banu an-Nadir property was kept wholly for his emergent needs, Fadak for travelers, and Khaybar was divided by the Apostle into threesections
: two for Muslims, and one as a contribution for his family. If anything remained after making the contribution of his family, he divided it among the poor Emigrants

Each of these towns had thousands of inhabitants and they were the most affluent cities of Arabia. The wealth of tens of thousands of people fell entirely into Muhammad's hands. Can you say that he was a poor man living an austere life? He had several houses.
Surah 33.53
"O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses ,- until leave is given you,"

How can a man with several houses be poor? He hadalso many slaves. Muhammad was so captivated by the beauty of a woman that he gave up seven slaves for her!

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, #2991:
Anas said: "A beautiful slave girl fell to Dihyah. The apostle purchased her for seven slaves. He then gave her to Umm Sulaim for decoration her and preparing her for marriage."

How can a poor man have all that? Don't mind anyone that's brain washing you, they're all liars

was Moses evil, Jesus, John the Baptist......... it seems what you say is that all messengers that are attacked are evil....... God guide you aright

Where did i imply that? It seems you've missed all the threads created comparing Muhammad and Jesus!

Amazing huh

As far as i am concerned christians and moslems dont have the same God. The islamic God has muhammed as messanger, the christian GOD has Jesus as his only begotten SON who died and that the world might be saved through Him. The islamic God is one who has his headquarters in mecca, and the christian GOD is one with three personalities( FATHER, SON, AND SPIRIT) and operating in three dimensions: dwells in Heaven of the heavens.


Halleluyah!!! Our God is God of compassion and mercy. Though we do Sin everytime yet he forgives and forget not god that still operates in moses law.Halleluyah we are more than conqueror thru Jesus christ thy savior who has come and has wiped off d law of moses wit His blood, we are not to be stoned to death like muslim does. Halleluyah.

I think they now understand dat we are not serving d same God as they claimed. Obviously not d same GOd. Our God is a God of peace, peace is His name while their god is a violent god dat produce terrorist. Halleluyah we are more than a conqueror thru Him dat saved us.

Sweetnecta: @Mckybarf: This may your fate if you die in the faith you are in now: I do not know ye, Jesus will say to even the great miracle workers in his name.

Senseless comment! Hope u read thru ur comment bf posting it?

read between the lines. i may or may not read through, the idea is clear. i think you are showing too much sour grapes.
smart people will get the gist of it.

Lol, kem and sweet....just enjoying you 2..lmao

ghazzal:
a reason for you to begin to stone to death "now that you are without sin"-as claimed.

God`s guidiance is the only true guidiance and i pray for it for all of us.

Salaam, brother
May Allah reward your efforts and intentions
However, I would like to remind you that we are not to sit with (and discuss with) those who mock Allah and His Messenger (SAW)
I am not saying that you should not educate people, but those who insult Allah and His Messenger (SAW) should not be paid attention
From the temperament and language employed here, there is clearly no desire for education and decent discourse

"You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed, that is of the matters [worthy] of determination." Qur'an 3 : 186

May Allah guide us

BetaThings:
Salaam, brother
May Allah reward your efforts and intentions
However, I would like to remind you that we are not to sit with (and discuss with) those who mock Allah and His Messenger (SAW)
I am not saying that you should not educate people, but those who insult Allah and His Messenger (SAW) should not be paid attention
From the temperament and language employed here, there is clearly no desire for education and decent discourse

"You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed, that is of the matters [worthy] of determination." Qur'an 3 : 186

May Allah guide us

Hey what kind of advise is this? Instead of advising her/him that s/he is wrong and that Mo was one rich man, you're here taking cheap shot at those who are willing to discuss. This discussion is not for the faint hearted, now get out of this thread and don't let the door hit you on the åss on your way out.

@paris love,
do you know why the bible cannot be trusted anymore, it has lots of contradictory information. though it is known that some of the information in it is that of Jesus, it is important for the reader to be careful of what is taken in. it now has more of lies than truth-this is well known. Was that not Satans scheme.

If that happens to the Bible, and in the Quran, God said he will protect it from such and Satan still exists to scheme and confuse man, it is just common sense that the Hadith will be the Devils target. (this is for those who think "could Muhammed be a prophet". Just like the bible, the hadith also contradicts, knowledgeable muslims are making much effort to categorise and put some orderliness in it but Satan is smarter than all of them(ofcourse he has lived longer than man can imagine). there is an hadith that makes known that any hadith that is contradictory to Quran teachings should not be taken hook-line-sinker.... its like a litmus test to all Hadiths.

If Muhammed were greedy, and a thief as you claimed(with some hadiths) some christians/Jews at that time will not convert to islam, his followers will not increase in number......its just logical.

You simply dont know the man you think you know. With the effort the christian world is making to defame him, it is left to everyone to think and identify truth from falsehood. IF YOU REMAIN DOGMATIC, its your life and every of mans descision has its price. no sin goes unpunished for(at least i heard some pastors say that)

BetaThings:
Salaam, brother
May Allah reward your efforts and intentions
However, I would like to remind you that we are not to sit with (and discuss with) those who mock Allah and His Messenger (SAW)
I am not saying that you should not educate people, but those who insult Allah and His Messenger (SAW) should not be paid attention
From the temperament and language employed here, there is clearly no desire for education and decent discourse

"You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed, that is of the matters [worthy] of determination." Qur'an 3 : 186

May Allah guide us

Thanks for the reminder. May God reward you!!!

Paris-Love:

Hey what kind of advise is this? Instead of advising her/him that s/he is wrong and that Mo was one rich man, you're here taking cheap shot at those who are willing to discuss. This discussion is not for the faint hearted, now get out of this thread and don't let the door hit you on the åss on your way out.

I gbadun u jare 1million kudos for u. LMAO

ghazzal: @paris love,
do you know why the bible cannot be trusted anymore, it has lots of contradictory information. though it is known that some of the information in it is that of Jesus, it is important for the reader to be careful of what is taken in. it now has more of lies than truth-this is well known. Was that not Satans scheme.

If that happens to the Bible, and in the Quran, God said he will protect it from such and Satan still exists to scheme and confuse man, it is just common sense that the Hadith will be the Devils target. (this is for those who think "could Muhammed be a prophet". Just like the bible, the hadith also contradicts, knowledgeable muslims are making much effort to categorise and put some orderliness in it but Satan is smarter than all of them(ofcourse he has lived longer than man can imagine). there is an hadith that makes known that any hadith that is contradictory to Quran teachings should not be taken hook-line-sinker.... its like a litmus test to all Hadiths.

If Muhammed were greedy, and a thief as you claimed(with some hadiths) some christians/Jews at that time will not convert to islam, his followers will not increase in number......its just logical.

You simply dont know the man you think you know. With the effort the christian world is making to defame him, it is left to everyone to think and identify truth from falsehood. IF YOU REMAIN DOGMATIC, its your life and every of mans descision has its price. no sin goes unpunished for(at least i heard some pastors say that)

The bible we christians use as our watchword is written and endorsed by God the father,God the son and of the Holy spirit. There is no confussion in it whatsover, it is a book of life and is full of wisdom. It is full of misery which can only be understood by only those in d holy spirit. It can never be understood by someone like u. It takes only christians dat are in spirit to know the diff betw old and new testament. It is dat book u called quaran dat is full of deceit and confussion, infact another name for d god u moslems woship is CONFUSSION. Yes ur god is author of confussion and dat is why d wiser ones among u dat av known d truth decided to run to God which we christian worship cos they av seen Him to be truth Himself, His name is TRUTH.

@paris love:

Paris-Love: 9:19pm On Oct 23
Lol, kem and sweet....just enjoying you 2..lmao grin

i am shocked that your christianity havent taught you that when 2 people disagree, you try to bring peace between them.

thats what Islam teaches and you can see the example of it by the advise of a muslim tell another to lay off the christian.

kemooolala is just throwing her weight because i will not become a worshiper of man like her. she does not know that i am inviting her and you too to what is good.

Jesus invited to what i am inviting you to: God is 1 and ONLY He can do all things He Wills.
Worship God and not the creation, eg son of man: Jesus worshiped God all night long while other slept at the Gethsemane.
There shall be one that will come after me who shall put every in order in complete process and no one else will come after him. we know no one came except Muhammad [sa] in the manner of worship and obedience to God as Jesus and previous prophets [as] did.

Hahahaha LMFAO this fairy tales are FRAUD and SCAMM just like yahoo yahoo stories. . .the man in the first tale zana said he never heard the name "Yacub" before meanwhile if he had read the Quran before we will see "Yakub"(Jacob) and who was sitting by his side seat before angel yacub appeared to him or did the person turn to an angel *confused*. . .Lol this should be move to joke section the lady in 2nd tale sound confusing i didnt even get are tales, for Ali sina he as been a scammer since. . .the OP failed SMH

Sweetnecta: @paris love: i am shocked that your christianity havent taught you that when 2 people disagree, you try to bring peace between them.

what's wrong with enjoying discussion between two matured minds? Am sure Kem can more than take care of herself i can't say the same thing for you

thats what Islam teaches and you can see the example of it by the advise of a muslim tell another to lay off the christian.

Of course the other muslim is afraid Kem might make ghazzal start to question some things which is haram in islam! Surah5:101

kemooolala is just throwing her weight because i will not become a worshiper of man like her. she does not know that i am inviting her and you too to what is good.

Tell me, can you separate Muhammad from Allah?
Here are a few passages where he exhorted his followers to worship him.
*. Truly, Allâh and His angels send praise and blessings [forever] upon the Prophet. O you who believe! Praise and bless the Prophet with utmost laud and blessing. (Q.33:56)
*. And you (stand) on an exalted standard of character. (Q.68:4)
*. You [Muhammad] are a lamp with spreading light. (Q.33:46)
*. You of Faith, say not (to the Prophet) words of ambiguous import like ‘Listen to us,’ but words of respect; and obey (him): To those who don’t submitthere is a grievous punishment. (Q. 2:104)
*. He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah. (Q. 4:80)
*. He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell. (Q. 4:114)
*. You [Muhammad] may have whomever you desire; there is no blame. (Q. 33:51)
*. Allah gives his Messenger Lordship and Power over whomever He wills. (Q.59:6)
*. Blessed is He who holds the reins of Kingship. (Q. 67:1)
*. You [Muhammad] are an exalted character of tremendous morality. Soon you will see, and they will see, which of you is afflicted with madness. (Q. 68:4)
*. Verily this is the Word (brought by) a most honorable Messenger imbued with power, the Lord of the Throne, Mighty, One to be obeyed. (Q. 81:19)
The most egregious claim, in my opinion, is the claim that God promised him to forgive all his future sins. “ Lo! We have given thee (O Muhammad) a clear victory. That Allâh may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come .” (Q.48:1-2)
Maybe that is why he lived such a despicable life. There is hardly any crime he didn’t commit. Was he under the delusion that his future sins will be forgiven and that he won’t have to respond for them? Can possibly a sane god make such an offer to anyone?
Can one worship God without Muhammad? Not according to Muhammad. So he made himself an indispensable partner with God. Islam is shirk, it is Muhammadism. The submission is to Muhammad, not to God.

Jesus invited to what i am inviting you to:

To muhammadism? I humbly decline

God is 1 and ONLY He can do all things He Wills.
Worship God and not the creation, eg son of man: Jesus worshiped God all night long while other slept at the Gethsemane.

John5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they
honor the Father. Whoever does not honor
the Son does not honor the Father who sent
him.

There shall be one that will come after me who shall put every in order in complete process and no one else will come after him. we know no one came except Muhammad [sa] in the manner of worship and obedience to God as Jesus and previous prophets [as] did.

Jesus promised the holy spirit not some self declared Prophet that married a 9 year old girl.

tintingz: For Ali sina he as been a scammer since. . .the OP failed SMH

you really expect us to take your word for it? Can you prove from his testimony that he's a scammer? Or is the Qurann and authentic hadiths he quoted scams?

kemoolala:


I gbadun u jare 1million kudos for u. LMAO

Lol, thanks sis. Let's keep the light shinin'.

@paris love:

by Paris-Love: 12:11am

what's wrong with enjoying discussion between two matured minds? Am sure Kem can more than take care of herself i can't say the same thing for you angry

kem as you called could not be more than the age of my offspring. i think i do pretty well in staying out of trouble. Thank God.

Of course the other muslim is afraid Kem might make ghazzal start to question some things which is haram in islam! Surah5:101

kem does not even know her Creator, just like you; you both take 3 to mean and 1 is 3! what kinda 'rithmetic is that? heck. how

this verse in quote shows that we can not ask questions is a head scratcher [quote]O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

dont ask about things which, if they are shown to you will distress you, does not mean dont ask questions. you may ask if your future is shown to you and God may oblige you and then you see the amount of hurdles you have to overcome and it may depress you. can you imagine if all the snow that fall on you falls on you in one shot? it may even terminate your existence. but God has shown mercy that the whole mosquitoes that will bite kemoolala are not unleashed upon her in one single night.

Tell me, can you separate Muhammad from Allah?

Muhammadur Rasulullah [he is rasul of Allah. Allah is his Lord]. Yaa hayyu anabiyu [oh you messenger. Allah is The One Who chose him as His Messenger [sa]. what are you getting at mr paris love? i will have no time to attend to the verses you listed because we in Islam already love everything about the Quran, and i have shown you that Muhammad [sa] is separate from his Lord Allah [SWT].

Paris-Love:
you really expect us to take your word for it? Can you prove from his testimony that he's a scammer? Or is the Qurann and authentic hadiths he quoted scams?

Lol. . .Ali sina the scammer was only picking the Quran verse and hadith that support his scam work(quoting out of context) cant you read his scam article yourself. . .i can give you many links of rebuttals of muslim scholars to Ali sina. . .i guess he never read the bible cuz i can start posting YAHWEH terror in this thread including Jesus curses and hatred to the jews. . .and don't forget Jesus support lashes with rod in the bible and you need some

tintingz: Lol. . .Ali sina the scammer was only picking the Quran verse and hadith that support his scam work(quoting out of context) cant you read his scam article yourself. . .i can give you many links of rebuttals of muslim scholars to Ali sina. . .

Oh really? You know he accused Muhammad of many things like been

a narcissist a misogynist a ràpist a lecher a torturer a mass murderer and many other things you can find in His CHALLENGE

If you've the links to the rebuttals of them do show me.

i guess he never read the bible cuz i can start posting YAHWEH terror in this thread including Jesus curses and hatred to the jews. . .and don't forget Jesus support lashes with rod in the bible and you need some

There's no terror in the bible. What we've is historical records of events on how the Children of Israel lived. There's no verse in the NT asking a Christian to commit terror on the basis of difference in faith

Shalom

the Ali Sina has no 50K Canadian Dollars not to talk of USD to wager.

I have written him about putting the money escrow and we will match it and winner takes all.
The iranian canadian refused to do it, even it is escrow company of his choice.


most people like him, robert spencer of armanien turkey bloodline and jewish daniel pipe have misplaced anger against Islam.

daniel for Yahweh turning away from the children of israel because of their disbeliefs.
spencer because his ethnic blood is marginalized by the turks.

who to say i will not be angry with south south of nigeria since their son is the president for not honoring the yorubas, if iwere thinking like these fo.ols listed? Heck, Islam will remain for ever, while individuals will grow old and wither away and disappear like the flowers in the dead of winter.

paris love dey dere. dey argue like you dey argue, you dey get older by the moment.

soon you will e 60. then 80. then 100. y the time you nak 200 you go for wan die. same thing for you, kemoolala. you will not to put say oh-la-la by the time you are 200. thats a fact that you can hang on like a cross since you love the cross so much.


good morning y'all.

Paris-Love:
Oh really? You know he accused Muhammad of many things like been
a narcissist a misogynist a ràpist a lecher a torturer a mass murderer and many other things you can find in His CHALLENGE
If you've the links to the rebuttals of them do show me.
There's no terror in the bible. What we've is historical records of events on how the Children of Israel lived. There's no verse in the NT asking a Christian to commit terror on the basis of difference in faith
Shalom

Lol. . .you still dey post stu.pid and scam links. . .for start before i give more rebuttals visit the Counter Rebuttal to Ali Sina by Bassam Zawdi and see the rebuttals to that FRAUD Ali sina(just a tip). . .i don't have the time posting rebuttals and don't let me . . .secondly secondly who was given orders to kill, go to war and keep virgins, is'nt YAHWEH?? Don't make me post his terror even Jesus said "kill those who doesn't want me to reign over them" maybe he was joking then

@mckybarf:

by Mckybarf(m): 3:18pm On Oct 23

Sweetnecta: @Truthman2012: you dont have to die before can be forgiven. to say someone died for your sin is fool.hearty. While there is no acceptance of repentance of death bed, the Bibles agrees with the muslims that the sinner shall have his rewards of what is reward of sin is, unless hs repentance is accepted and be forgiven by God, no Jesus.

I am sure you are aware that Jesus will reject almost all of you christians because he said will reject the "miracle workers by his name" among you. You are a miracle worker here and now trying to cajole us to accepting fallacy we dont want.

Forgiveness is without human blood being spilled. Thats what we see in Quran where forgiveness is made easiest; made directly to Yahweh sincerely from the heart.

Most of you have never seen an ex muslims, before. You only read about them, true or false ex-muslims on the web. I have seen ex-christians and ex-jews with my own very eyes. I even have some in my life; my mother, my spouse, a whole bunch of my friends and associates. i am working on many "christian" families both in chicago and beltsville maryland. I pray that God soften their hearts to know 3 is not 1 and 1 can never be 3. God does not accept human to be sacrificed to him and if Jesus was sacrificed as you claim, he was not sacrificed to God and God will not sacrifice Jesus to satan.

Forgiveness does not have to be a blood sport. Not with God. maybe with you people and satan.

need i remind you that christians dont need ishmaelites to interpret CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE FOR US?! our religion is based on faith in JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ALMIGHTY OF Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who through his eternal sacrifice offered himself once to God for the world that those who believe in him, his vicarious death and triumphant resurrection might become heirs of Abraham and co-heirs with Christ. Christian doctrine is not based on islamic teaching. We have nothing in common, absolutely nothing, but for being human beings. As far as i am concerned christians and moslems dont have the same God. The islamic God has muhammed as messanger, the christian GOD has Jesus as his only begotten SON who died and that the world might be saved through Him. The islamic God is one who has his headquarters in mecca, and the christian GOD is one with three personalities( FATHER, SON, AND SPIRIT) and operating in three dimensions: dwells in Heaven of the heavens.....should i go on....... Please, your prejudiced comments will only be needed elsewhere.

based on the bold, "get away from me, because i do not know ye" is your fate from the mouth of Jesus, if you dont worship God your Creator in the same way the Muslims are doing, Jesus son of Mary [as] and The Another Comforter [sa] did.

tintingz: Lol. . .you still dey post stu.pid and scam links. . .for start before i give more rebuttals visit the Counter Rebuttal to Ali Sina by Bassam Zawdi and see the rebuttals to that FRAUD Ali sina(just a tip). . .i don't have the time posting rebuttals and don't let me

No needs for name calling. Here's the counter rebuttal to that link you posted.(Just a tip)

. . .secondly secondly who was given orders to kill, go to war and keep virgins, is'nt YAHWEH?? Don't make me post his terror even Jesus said "kill those who doesn't want me to reign over them" maybe he was joking then

Nobody is asked anyone to go to war. Israelites just wanted to pass into their land and other countries won't let them be. Secondly that Jesus quote was a parable. We all know those that scream you quote 'out of context' yet you can't help yourself from doing the same. Hmm like someone will say...


Epic fail

The question I have to ask is, if Mohammed is the perfect moral example and needs to be emulated according to Allah how come he wasnt certain of his own salvation?

Chapter 33:21, 68:4. Moral standard

Chapter 46:8-9 Unsure of salvation

Narrated 'Um al-'Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. 'Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um al-'Ala's family), 'Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! But who else is worthy of it (if not 'Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for 'Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Apostle and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266)

Narrated Abu Huraira:
When Allah revealed the Verse: "Warn your nearest kinsmen," Allah's Apostle got up and said, "O people of Quraish (or said similar words)! Buy (i.e. save) yourselves (from the Hellfire) as I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O Bani Abd Manaf! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment, O Safiya, the Aunt of Allah's Apostle! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O Fatima bint Muhammad! Ask me anything from my wealth, but I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 51, Number 16)

The hadiths are both Sahih (so authentic) and for my brother Ghazzal, the hadith correspond to the Quran...Please I need your input.

@paris-love. . .you sure know that Bassam zawadi will reply to Ali sina a.k.a scammer link to the rebuttal to Ali Sinner LIES by Bassam(part 2)
Ali is a real LIAR that Bassam said "Ali Sina said that when the hadith said that those men from the Banu Mustalaq were armed and fought is a lie and that they were unarmed. Where on earth is your evidence Ali? Do you call this a rebuttal? Seriously, are you kidding me? You accept the part of the hadith that supports your argument but reject the parts that don't? Is this logical and fair debating? What kind of debating skills and arguments are you giving? If you accept a source you either accept all of it or reject all of it. If you want to accept parts of it then you must have some evidence for doing so. Your personal and biased opinions carry no weight."
And to YAHWEH terror can you explain this scripture
"Whosoever would not seek the lord GOD of isreal should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman(2 chronicles 15:13)"
if you can't accept that Mohammed(SAW) fought for deffense just the way you said the isrealite did, then jehovah must be a terror god. . .and am not buying the parable thing you used to defend Jesus killing words in the bible.

Paris-Love:

Lol, thanks sis. Let's keep the light shinin'.

One love! JESUS CHRIST is the LORD!

proo212: The question I have to ask is, if Mohammed is the perfect moral example and needs to be emulated according to Allah how come he wasnt certain of his own salvation?



The hadiths are both Sahih (so authentic) and for my brother Ghazzal, the hadith correspond to the Quran...Please I need your input.

A question dat requires an answer...

tintingz: @paris-love. . .you sure know that Bassam zawadi will reply to Ali sina a.k.a scammer link to the rebuttal to Ali Sinner LIES by Bassam(part 2)
Ali is a real LIAR that Bassam said "Ali Sina said that when the hadith said that those men from the Banu Mustalaq were armed and fought is a lie and that they were unarmed. Where on earth is your evidence Ali? Do you call this a rebuttal? Seriously, are you kidding me? You accept the part of the hadith that supports your argument but reject the parts that don't? Is this logical and fair debating? What kind of debating skills and arguments are you giving? If you accept a source you either accept all of it or reject all of it. If you want to accept parts of it then you must have some evidence for doing so. Your personal and biased opinions carry no weight."

Lol, like there's where the discussion ended? You put the first one i showed you the rebuttal now you put up this one again like there was none? The debate even had part 5 so it didn't end there. Click it again

And to YAHWEH terror can you explain this scripture
"Whosoever would not seek the lord GOD of isreal should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman(2 chronicles 15:13)"

This was no order from God to kill anybody. This was a decision from a king who thinks anybody that doesn't believe him is against God. It was no directive from God. Then again am Christian, and my faith revolves according to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the NT

if you can't accept that Mohammed(SAW) fought for deffense just the way you said the isrealite did, then jehovah must be a terror god. . .

You muslims claim quran is the eternal words of allah. Until everybody converts or pay extortion fee jizya the war on non muslims continues. Yea it's there's no compulsion in religion huh? Convert or pay jizya or get killed. That's a lot of choices.

and am not buying the parable thing you used to defend Jesus killing words in the bible.

Am not forcing you to as i can see you're intellectually dishonest.

^^^Lol i wont even bother posting links cuz ali sina the scammer as been rebuked in many ways. . .and as for that scripture you claim a king. . .then who was given kings to fight for jehovah?? If not then who instructed Moses to kill for him in deut 7:1-6
2. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them,nor show mercy unto them:. . . . .
3. Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5. But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
See the terror jehovah was displaying, Allah has said "Let there be no compulsion in religion"(Quran 2:256). . .and you did'nt tell the reason why Jesus said "those of mine enemies who doesn't want me to reign over them, bring them and kill them before me" since you turn to it parable why was he given such a terror speech??

^^^Lol i wont even bother posting links cuz ali sinathe scammer as been rebuked in many ways

Lol, think you've seen your Bassam have been debunked why bother?

and as for that scripture you claim a king. . .then who was given kings to fight for jehovah?? If not then who instructed Moses to kill for him in deut 7:1-6
2. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them,nor show mercy unto them:. . . . .
3. Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4. For they will turn away thy son from following me,that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5. But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroytheir altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

God wasn't displaying any terror. He didn't ask anybody to kill for or those who didn't accept the religion of israelites. In fact inn ancient times there was no religion. It's all nationalistic. In deut7 God was simply telling them they'll Possess their land. And of course they opposition were idol worshipers. All those orders to became void once Israelis got their land back. Beginning of that verse was referring hittites, cannanites, amorites and these don't exist today. All of OT were historical and not a direct order for anyone so you can keep quoting them from now till tomorrow I'll still tell you the same thing.

Allah has said "Let there be no compulsion in religion"(Quran 2:256) . . .

the meccan verses have been abrogated by medina ones. What is expected of a good muslim is
1. Every muslim must follow Mohammed’s example.
The Quran is quite explicit here, that every muslim should follow the “perfect example” of Allah’s prophet, Mohammed.
“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.” [Sura 33.21]
So the first step is for you to follow what Mohammeddid.
2. The first duty is to Jihad.
Now consider what Mohammed tells us is the greatest priority for every muslim. From the Hadith collection.
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet was asked, “Which is the best deed?” He said, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle.” He was then asked, “Which is the next (in goodness)?” He said, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.”
So each and every muslim is obliged to participate in Jihad. And who can ever forget the words of SheikFeiz Mohammed from Undercover Mosque fame?
“The pinnacle, the crest, the summit of Islam is……..Jihad!”.
Now you ask what could be the purpose of the Jihad?
3. The whole world must be converted to Islam.
The Quran now tells us that Mohammed was sent to bring Islam to the whole world.
“It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”. [Sura 9.33]
So now we know that every muslim is called to participate in Jihad with the aim to bring Islam to the whole world. So what will bring victory and how do we do this? Once again, we look to Mohammed.
4. Mohammed states that Terror brings Victory.
Mohammed is very clear here. He achieved victory through the use of Terror! From the Hadith collection.
Al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing thewidest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
And this is supported by the Quran.
“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” [Sura 8.12]
So this is very clear. Terror is the tool that brings about victory (according to Mohammed). And good muslims everywhere are finding many ways to strike terror into the infidels, from flying planes into tall buildings, blowing up railway stations, London buses, tourist havens in Bali, burning churches, forest fires, beheadings and many more.
5. Allah will punish you if you don’t fight.
By now you will be aware that to be a good muslim, you must engage in Jihad and use terror to be victorious. If this thought makes you a little squeamish, consider what will happen if you DON’T follow Mohammed’s example and conduct Jihad withterror. From the Quran we learn this:
“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.” [Sura 9.39]
So understand that if you don’t join in the Jihad, Allah will punish you! Perhaps we should pause at this point and take some guidance from a Saudi cleric on Jihad.
6. Muslims must fight ALL non muslims.
There are many verses from the Quran to instruct you here. Here are but a few:
‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are)of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” [Sura 9.29]
Or maybe this:
“O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.” [Sura 9.123]
And remember that infidels are your sworn enemies[Sura 4.101], and you must be ruthless to the infidel[Sura 48.29]. Neither may you take Jews and Christians as friends. [ Sura 5.51]
7. Fight with any means available to you.
So now we ask if there are “rules of engagement” toconduct Jihad? Well, Allah makes it easy for you here, There are NO rules! You can use whatever means you have to instill terror and conduct Jihad. From the Quran:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, anseize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Sura 9.5]
Allah has been so generous here, and there are so many available today, from flying planes into buildings, blowing up public infrastructure, lighting forest fires, using nuclear bombs or biological weapons, or even poisoning food at the local supermarket. Nothing is forbidden to you.
8. If a muslim leaves Islam, you must kill them.
Now you must be aware that if you leave Islam, you must be killed. Consider this from the Quran:
“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” [Sura 4.89]
So understand that Islam does NOT tolerate apostates. They must be killed.
9. If you suspect another muslim is not on the correct path, kill them.
Apparently there are about 72 different sects in Islam, and each sect believes that they are the onesfollowing the true path. When you look at Iraq you find
Sunnis killing Shi’ias and vice versa. In Pakistan the Taliban kill anyone who is NOT Taliban, and so on.
“Seventy-two of the seventy-three Muslim sects willgo to hell; only one of the sects will be in Paradise; itis the majority group” (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4580)
Whoever creates disunity in the Islamic community kill him…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4744) In a note (footnote 4153), the English translator of Sunaan Abu Dawud, Professor Ahmad Hasan admits that it ispermissible to ‘cannibalize’ dissident Islamic group/s. He writes: ‘
The Prophet (may peace be upon him) did not tolerate disunity and schism among Muslims. Therefore, he ordered that, instead of causing separation and disagreement in the community, it isbetter to kill the person who causes disunity.’ (See References on Islamic canibalism)
Another hadis (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 40.4747, Sahih Bukhari, 4.55.577) asks to murder those Muslims who are insincere in their faith. This hadis even tellsthat Allah loves the Muslims who kill those insincereMuslims.
10. If you get killed fighting for Allah, you will go to Paradise.
Of course you realise that with all this killing and fighting, your own life could be at risk. But don’t worry, Allah has promised to take you into Paradise, unless perhaps if you are a woman, as Mohammed said that Hell will be full of women!
“Allah hath purchased of the believers their personsand their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, throughthe Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: thatis the achievement supreme.” [Sura 9.111]
Summary.
So let us just recap on what we have learned about being a good muslim, from Mohammed:
Jihad is the first duty, the best in goodness.
The whole world must be converted .
Terror will make you victorious Allah will punish you if you don’t fight You must fight all infidels around you and be ruthless with them.
You may use any means at your disposal to fight.
You must kill anyone who leaves Islam or is not following the true path And if you are killed fighting,Allah will take you into paradise.

and you did'nt tell the reason why Jesus said "those of mine enemies who doesn't want me to reign over them, bring them and kill them before me" since you turn to it parable why was he given such a terror speech??

The parable is self explanatory. Read luke 19 from verse 11.