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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by welovethee(m): 7:11am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:



Another butthurt christian!


There is no evidence for your God
If you jump down from a 20 storey building because you don't believe in force of gravity, does it imply that it would not act on you?
Bros, keep joking with your life. God may be merciful now but also remember that He is a terrible enemy to have. Be wise.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 7:27am On Oct 19, 2012
maclatunji:


Who/what defines what is moral?
common sense!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 7:33am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:
If you jump down from a 20 storey building because you don't believe in force of gravity, does it imply that it would not act on you?.
dumb! And even if you disbelieve gravity, why should you jump from 20-storey building? That's a dearth of Common Sense!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 7:35am On Oct 19, 2012
dartsidius7: I really dont understand why anyone would judge an atheist. they have chosen to live their life based on facts, you have chosen to live your life based on faith. You have heard about God but have not seen him but chose to believe him. even if atheist think that you are dumb.

i used to think to myself that what if religion is just an idea invented to keep us in check and to keep us morally balanced, because if you examine it well, the only way to still believe and stay true to your religion is to just close your eyes to some facts.

There are some "ifs" that even religion cant answer, like, how God decides into which family a child is born? cos most times it goes a long way to determine what kind of life the child would live. Most people still believe in the God of thier families, most kids born into christian families, are christians and those born into muslim families are muslims (few people cross over and for thier own reasons). then why should God judge them based on what he has destined for them.

Destiny brings another question, how do you explain destiny and free will, cos if you have free will, then that should rule out the theory of destiny. Lets take pharaoh for example, was he just destined by God to be an example, cos if pharaoh was a good man and not the tyrant he was labeled as according to the scriptures, then we wont need moses to rescue the isrealites and teach us a good lesson. So if pharaoh was destined to be who he was, should God judge him for making him what he is.

Plus God has the power to wipe out all the false religions but He choses to leave them. So dont judge anybody.
you said it all!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 7:36am On Oct 19, 2012
dartsidius7: I really dont understand why anyone would judge an atheist. they have chosen to live their life based on facts, you have chosen to live your life based on faith. You have heard about God but have not seen him but chose to believe him. even if atheist think that you are dumb.

i used to think to myself that what if religion is just an idea invented to keep us in check and to keep us morally balanced, because if you examine it well, the only way to still believe and stay true to your religion is to just close your eyes to some facts.

There are some "ifs" that even religion cant answer, like, how God decides into which family a child is born? cos most times it goes a long way to determine what kind of life the child would live. Most people still believe in the God of thier families, most kids born into christian families, are christians and those born into muslim families are muslims (few people cross over and for thier own reasons). then why should God judge them based on what he has destined for them.

Destiny brings another question, how do you explain destiny and free will, cos if you have free will, then that should rule out the theory of destiny. Lets take pharaoh for example, was he just destined by God to be an example, cos if pharaoh was a good man and not the tyrant he was labeled as according to the scriptures, then we wont need moses to rescue the isrealites and teach us a good lesson. So if pharaoh was destined to be who he was, should God judge him for making him what he is.

Plus God has the power to wipe out all the false religions but He choses to leave them. So dont judge anybody.
you said it all!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by elliottibanga(m): 7:43am On Oct 19, 2012
A point worth stating is that one does not need organized religion to be a "good person", or have "good morals". These terms are very relative terms and are dependant upon the the social fabric on which they are applied.

Atheists, Agnostics and all non-Christians, by definition, cannot go to a Christian heaven. This is so because the concept of the Christian heaven requires Christian faith (or Christian oriented suspense of critical thinking).

Hence this question is at best, fundamentally flawed.

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 7:51am On Oct 19, 2012
dartsidius7: I really dont understand why anyone would judge an atheist. they have chosen to live their life based on facts, you have chosen to live your life based on faith. You have heard about God but have not seen him but chose to believe him. even if atheist think that you are dumb.

i used to think to myself that what if religion is just an idea invented to keep us in check and to keep us morally balanced, because if you examine it well, the only way to still believe and stay true to your religion is to just close your eyes to some facts.

There are some "ifs" that even religion cant answer, like, how God decides into which family a child is born? cos most times it goes a long way to determine what kind of life the child would live. Most people still believe in the God of thier families, most kids born into christian families, are christians and those born into muslim families are muslims (few people cross over and for thier own reasons). then why should God judge them based on what he has destined for them.

Destiny brings another question, how do you explain destiny and free will, cos if you have free will, then that should rule out the theory of destiny. Lets take pharaoh for example, was he just destined by God to be an example, cos if pharaoh was a good man and not the tyrant he was labeled as according to the scriptures, then we wont need moses to rescue the isrealites and teach us a good lesson. So if pharaoh was destined to be who he was, should God judge him for making him what he is.

Plus God has the power to wipe out all the false religions but He choses to leave them. So dont judge anybody.

Ok now. cheesy This fellow is a joke.

Facts like? Care to share?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Born2beRich1(m): 7:57am On Oct 19, 2012
@logic boy nd others...let me make one thing clear to u all, being a christain or a church goer doesnt take u to heaven..even jesus said dat it is not everybody dat call me lord dat i will answer..why? B)cos he judges by wat u do in ur heart(ur thoughts) n in d secret..he also mentioned dat there is no one gud apart frm God..so there is nothing like gud atheist or christains..we re all sinners..he wants us to acknowledge our sins,believe in him and follow his teachings..so givin billions to d poor doesnt not take u 2heaven..also u said der is no evidence dat God exists,but u believe dat it is air u r breathing? Why not fire or stone..or re u see d air u breathe?der is a small still gentle voice talkin to u no matter whom u re..that is God

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by yertyr(m): 8:08am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:


Samaritans hated Jews and their god.


If the good samaritan can go to heaven, then a good atheist can.




Furthermore, why would it be your heaven that exists? Why not the muslim heaven? The Jewish heaven? Wouldnt you go to hell if they were right?

rubbish... Don't be decieved, Jesus treated that parable to teach gud doin... U shud correlate dat context to d topic... It takes only a spirit minded person to make heaven..
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by welovethee(m): 8:08am On Oct 19, 2012
Lord Babs: dumb! And even if you disbelieve gravity, why should you jump from 20-storey building? That's a dearth of Common Sense!
You obviously don't get it.
Your belief about a thing does not change
its reality.
Whether you believe or not, I am sure your
philosophy/theory/wisdom aligns with the fact that you will SURELY die one day.
After that, the TRUTH will surely manifest, though too late.
Then there shall be no one to argue with anymore. So have fun and flex your muscle of argument now.
HALD

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 8:12am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:
If you jump down from a 20 storey building because you don't believe in force of gravity, does it imply that it would not act on you?
Bros, keep joking with your life. God may be merciful now but also remember that He is a terrible enemy to have. Be wise.

Gravity exists, we know this because we can observe and measure it.



There is not one single shred of tangible evidence for your god.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Born2beRich1(m): 8:28am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:

Gravity exists, we know this because we can observe and measure it.



There is not one single shred of tangible evidence for your god.



@logic boy...What is the evidence that we are breathing in air and not sand or sugar or fire? Please answer my question for i would also like to know
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 8:32am On Oct 19, 2012
Born 2be Rich:



@logic boy...What is the evidence that we are breathing in air and not sand or sugar or fire? Please answer my question for i would also like to know

What kind of ignorant question is this?


We breathe in oxygen. Gases are known by their molecules/particles/atoms
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by candieangel12(f): 8:36am On Oct 19, 2012
Born 2be Rich:



@logic boy...What is the evidence that we are breathing in air and not sand or sugar or fire? Please answer my question for i would also like to know


Not even a m0r0n would think we were breathing sand or sugar. It has been scientifically proven that we inhale Oxygen
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by welovethee(m): 8:41am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:

Gravity exists, we know this because we can observe and measure it.



There is not one single shred of tangible evidence for your god.

Gone are the days when we used to say "what you don't know wouldn't harm you".
Ignorance/disbelief is never an excuse. Search for the TRUTH genuinely and I pray you find
it early.
Don't get me wrong, I am not asking you to regard what I'm saying, but whether you believe it or not, you will die one day. And if peradventure stand before/ judged by the God of the Bible, will He applaud you?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 8:52am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:



Really? Reheheheheaaally?


Are you sure that you are not lying again? You sure there isnt contradictory evidence? hmmm?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 8:55am On Oct 19, 2012
collins123:

Who gave you the phucking right to Judge? Are you perfect yourself? You want to tell me you be virgin by marriage?

Bleeptards!
lol.
You dont get it, do you?
If you cant spot the divide between judging and a true fact, you sure need help.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by manmustwac(m): 8:59am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:

Gone are the days when we used to say "what you don't know wouldn't harm you".
Ignorance/disbelief is never an excuse. Search for the TRUTH genuinely and I pray you find
it early.
Don't get me wrong, I am not asking you to regard what I'm saying, but whether you believe it or not, you will die one day. And if peradventure stand before/ judged by the God of the Bible, will He applaud you?
Apart from what is written in the bible what logical proof do u have that when u die u will be judged bY the God of the bible? Do u have proof of anybody who has been judged & are in Heaven or Hell right now?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Born2beRich1(m): 9:00am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:

What kind of ignorant question is this?


We breathe in oxygen. Gases are known by their molecules/particles/atoms

Okay u say they are know by their particles...have u seen the particles or oxygen with ur eyes ..no i assume..but if people tell u that there is proof that there is God because of the existence of the bible u will say that it is no proof...Anyways everybody will find out at the end..You can take they horse to the stream but u cant force it to drink water..I wish you all the best in life.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 9:09am On Oct 19, 2012
manmustwac: Apart from what is written in the bible what logical proof do u have that when u die u will be judged bY the God of the bible? Do u have proof of anybody who has been judged & are in Heaven or Hell right now?
Dont go there sir.
Before indulging, you must have agreed(even temporarily) within yourself that heaven exists. Anything less than that, is a cause for deviation.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by welovethee(m): 9:09am On Oct 19, 2012
manmustwac: Apart from what is written in the bible what logical proof do u have that when u die u will be judged bY the God of the bible? Do u have proof of anybody who has been judged & are in Heaven or Hell right now?

Keep waiting for PROOF. I pray you find it ultimately. But not when its too late. HALD
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by manmustwac(m): 9:36am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:

Keep waiting for PROOF. I pray you find it ultimately. But not when its too late. HALD
I asked you to provide proof your answer was that I should wait for proof instead. How is proof going to present itself? By magic. The only reason you believe in the God of the Bible is because u were born into a Christian family. If you were born into an Islamic family in Saudi Arabia you would be a Sunni Muslim now saying there is no other god but Allah. If u were born into a Chinese family in China you would be Buddhist. If you were born into an Hindu family in India Hindu would be your religion. If u were born into a white Swedish family in Sweden u would most likely be an atheist. Dose what I said in my last few sentences make sense to you? Your just a product of your enviorment u just like everyone else around you says "Jesus is Lord" you to will sing "Jesus is Lord"
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 9:40am On Oct 19, 2012
saintvc: I have heard of good atheist who are honest, kind, caring,charitable etc. They give freely than most christians .

Their only shortcoming is non belief in God's existence.

Dont u think they can make heaven?


there is no heaven!! How you lay your bed,you lie on it! Heaven is a stupid imagination your pastors have planted in your mind. Wake up brother!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 10:11am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:
If you jump down from a 20 storey building because you don't believe in force of gravity, does it imply that it would not act on you?
Bros, keep joking with your life. God may be merciful now but also remember that He is a terrible enemy to have. Be wise.

The way you think is just a typical reason why our society has been turned upside down. You need to admit that you are living in FEAR of HELL FIRE which your (loving?) God promised you put you if you don't worship him. I am sure there are several things you would love to explore which you cant out of fear of a burning hell. You need to understand that life is yin and yang. There is no sin! If you wanna be a porn star,be a porn star! Stop pleasing yourself secretly in the bed room.....HAVE SEX!

The moment we all act according to our vibration,they more we realize that life is fun and meaningless.

The is no god anywhere- Have you ever had an encounter with one? Of course No!
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 10:22am On Oct 19, 2012
Born 2be Rich:

Okay u say they are know by their particles...have u seen the particles or oxygen with ur eyes ...
how dumb! At least, we can evidently feel it and contain it. Can u feel and contain ur god or heaven?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Bamz(m): 10:28am On Oct 19, 2012
dartsidius7: I really dont understand why anyone would judge an atheist. they have chosen to live their life based on facts, you have chosen to live your life based on faith. You have heard about God but have not seen him but chose to believe him. even if atheist think that you are dumb.

i used to think to myself that what if religion is just an idea invented to keep us in check and to keep us morally balanced, because if you examine it well, the only way to still believe and stay true to your religion is to just close your eyes to some facts.

There are some "ifs" that even religion cant answer, like, how God decides into which family a child is born? cos most times it goes a long way to determine what kind of life the child would live. Most people still believe in the God of thier families, most kids born into christian families, are christians and those born into muslim families are muslims (few people cross over and for thier own reasons). then why should God judge them based on what he has destined for them.

Destiny brings another question, how do you explain destiny and free will, cos if you have free will, then that should rule out the theory of destiny. Lets take pharaoh for example, was he just destined by God to be an example, cos if pharaoh was a good man and not the tyrant he was labeled as according to the scriptures, then we wont need moses to rescue the isrealites and teach us a good lesson. So if pharaoh was destined to be who he was, should God judge him for making him what he is.

Plus God has the power to wipe out all the false religions but He choses to leave them. So dont judge anybody.

Spot on.

@logicboy. Thanks for the info. Fascinating read, but I got an extract for you.
The wise decision is to wager that
God exists, since "If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing", meaning
one can gain eternal life if God exists, but if not, one will be no worse off in death
than if one had not believed. On the other hand, if you bet against God, win or lose,
you either gain nothing or lose everything. You are either unavoidably annihilated
(in which case, nothing matters one way or the other) or lose the opportunity of
eternal happiness.

Men i'm an engineering stud. Bt I enjoyed reading it. Reason alone cannot explain divinity, that's why we walk by faith. If you wanna keep dwelling on facts, evidence and things of that sort, I wish you the best of luck, but I strongly pray you wager right...

In the end, we live with the consequences of our decisions besides we only have two things to stake, our "reason" and our "happiness", I wanna go for the latter.

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by welovethee(m): 10:59am On Oct 19, 2012
ifeness:

The way you think is just a typical reason why our society has been turned upside down. You need to admit that you are living in FEAR of HELL FIRE which your (loving?) God promised you put you if you don't worship him. I am sure there are several things you would love to explore which you cant out of fear of a burning hell. You need to understand that life is yin and yang. There is no sin! If you wanna be a porn star,be a porn star! Stop pleasing yourself secretly in the bed room.....HAVE SEX!

The moment we all act according to our vibration,they more we realize that life is fun and meaningless.

The is no god anywhere- Have you ever had an encounter with one? Of course No!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have had several encounters. Dont ask me because your "rational" mind
cant handle it.
1Cor2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness
unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned".
Am not trying to convince you.
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Miraclefavor: 11:00am On Oct 19, 2012
"My life has been changed as I realize that we are living in that end time, for all over the

world God is anointing men and women with this ministry. It will not be doctrine. It will

not be "churchianity;" but it is going to be Jesus Christ.

They will give forth the word of the Lord and are going to say, I heard it so many times in

the vision, "According to my word, it shall be done."

Oh people, listen to me! "According to my word, it shall be done." We are going to be

clothed with power and anointing from God. We won't have to preach sermons. We won't have to

depend on man, nor will we be denominational echoes, but we will have the power of the

living God! We will fear no man, but will go in the name of the Lord of Hosts!

...These people were going in the name of the Lord of Hosts.

As they marched forward as the ministry of Christ in the end-time, these people ministered

to the multitudes over the face of the earth. Tens of thousands, even millions seemed to

come to the Lord Jesus Christ as these people stood forth and gave the message of the

kingdom-of the coming kingdom in this last hour. It was so glorious! It seemed there were

those that rebelled. They would become angry. They tried to attack those workers that were

giving the message.
God is going to give to the world a demonstration in this last hour such as the world has

never known. These men and women are of all walks of life. Degrees will mean nothing. I saw

these workers as they were going over the face of the earth. When one would seem to stumble

and fall, another would come and pick him up. There were no big "I" little "you." Every

mountain was brought low and every valley was exalted, and they seemed to have one thing in

common-there was a divine love that seemed to flow forth from these people as they went

together, as they worked together, as they lived together. It was the theme of their lives.

They continued and it seemed the days went by as I stood and beheld this sight. I could only

cry-and sometimes I laughed. It was so wonderful as these people went throughout the face of

the whole earth showing forth God's power in this last end time.

As I watched from the very heaven itself, there were times when great deluges of this liquid

light seemed to fall upon great congregations. The congregations would lift their hands and

seemingly praise God for hours and even days, as the Spirit of God came upon them. God said,

"I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh." That is exactly the thing that God was doing.

From every man and woman that received this power and the anointing of God, the miracles of

God flowed continuously"

The above excerpt is taken from a Tommy Hicks' vision:

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by manmustwac(m): 11:13am On Oct 19, 2012
Reyginus: Dont go there sir.
Before indulging, you must have agreed(even temporarily) within yourself that heaven exists. Anything less than that, is a cause for deviation.
So your asking me to switch OFF my abilty to think for myself? Its when i stopped doing that, that i foundout that godisimaginary.com. What about you? Why can't you agree even just temporarily that heaven is imaginary and go through the godisimaginary website?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Samchelsea(m): 11:14am On Oct 19, 2012
Logicboy03:


Samaritans hated Jews and their god.


If the good samaritan can go to heaven, then a good atheist can.




Furthermore, why would it be your heaven that exists? Why not the muslim heaven? The Jewish heaven? Wouldnt you go to hell if they were right?
and who told u d good samaritan went to heaven?
Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by LordBabs(m): 11:34am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:
You obviously don't get it.
Your belief about a thing does not change
its reality.
neither does it change its non-reality.

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Re: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by Nobody: 11:59am On Oct 19, 2012
welovethee:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have had several encounters. Dont ask me because your "rational" mind
cant handle it.
1Cor2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness
unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned".
Am not trying to convince you.

I did not ask for a quote from your bible,so do not bother posting it! I asked you a simple question you couldn't answer.

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