Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Afam4eva(m): 3:22pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
dayokanu:
So you believe a Yoruba man would write the below about his tribe?
I also belive Tomakint is not Yoruba because he has gone from being sorta neutral and sympathizing with Igbos to being tribalistic to his supposed tribe. But never say never. Some people have a way of turning against their tribe for some reason. I've met Igbos that insult anything Igbotic. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by aribisala0(m): 3:30pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
where does this new found reasonableness come from Afam?? you done burnt again?? |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Dede1(m): 3:34pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
justice11:
So Enugu, Abia, Anambra, Ebonyi, Imo, are no more ibo states, abi. You are the one with half education. You remember Nzeribe liquidate his bank after taking people's money those days too. In fact the major problem of Nigeria is bringing goat and sheep together!!! Yoruba race is never you people's equal! If you want to live your entire miserable life on blatant falsehood, I do not give a ratazz. You can even insinuate Nzeribe owns southwestern Nigeria. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by dayokanu(m): 3:37pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
afam4eva: I also belive Tomakint is not Yoruba because he has gone from being sorta neutral and sympathizing with Igbos to being tribalistic to his supposed tribe. But never say never. Some people have a way of turning against their tribe for some reason. I've met Igbos that insult anything Igbotic. So you sef see that it doesnt take you to be Aristotle or Socrates to burst a hoax like tomakint aka Abadaba or Ngodigha Check some of his latest post and you would see. He is as real as Alj Harem aka Uche05 being Ibo |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Afam4eva(m): 3:38pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
aribisala0: where does this new found reasonableness come from Afam?? you done burnt again?? What does the bolded mean? |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by tomakint: 3:46pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
[quote author=dayokanu]
Son of Belial, this should b my last post from me to u! It seems u want to take something home to ur parents because u'v been on my neck all around this forum.Even if u are paid to deface my character u av just failed(u may b d scapegoat here).if u are sure I am Ngodigha and co prove it b4 everyone,prove to them i went to UI,what kind of a demonic human being are u? must we agree on d same thing as Yorubas?Dat Yorubas are treacherous and fearful is dat my own making?Omo ale |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by tomakint: 3:59pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
[quote author=afam4eva] Afam u made a point earlier that all Yorubas do not necessarily hav to agree on one thing, unfortunately u fell 4 dayokanu's scam! Why not ask him to prove my identity with those folks he was embarrasing all around. Please dont share in his sins! That Yorubas brought politics of bitterness into Nigerian politcs is that my making.Even Pa Awo tried to unite the Yoruba political divides,he couldn't! That I hav d balls to face d tribalistic Yorubas here is what baffles dayo |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by aribisala0(m): 4:13pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
afam4eva: What does the bolded mean? I was just wondering whether you have given your life to mohammed |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Afam4eva(m): 4:16pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
aribisala0: I was just wondering whether you have given your life to mohammed lol ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by dayokanu(m): 4:28pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
tomakint: Son of Belial, this should b my last post from me to u! It seems u want to take something home to ur parents because u'v been on my neck all around this forum.Even if u are paid to deface my character u av just failed(u may b d scapegoat here).if u are sure I am Ngodigha and co prove it b4 everyone,prove to them i went to UI,what kind of a demonic human being are u? must we agree on d same thing as Yorubas?Dat Yorubas are treacherous and fearful is dat my own making?Omo ale You have been found out to be a fraud. A scam no one believes you. bastarddd. Do the honorable thing and open a new ID claiming to be ibibio this time around Mr "I am Yoruba" 2 Likes |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by freesoul3(f): 4:40pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
dayokanu:
You have been found out to be a fraud. A scam no one believes you. bastarddd. Do the honorable thing and open a new ID claiming to be ibibio this time around
Mr "I am Yoruba" do you have a job at all you and all your brothers that live here you all must be full time criminals 1 Like |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by T9ksy(m): 4:46pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
nku5: Igbos planned with northerners to jail awo? Kindly shed more light on this thanks
Was it not NPC and their coalition partner NCNC who had awo jailed on thrumped up charges? NPC could not have done it on their own volition
with the active support of zik and his party who were in govt with them (NPC).
Only zik and his ibo people needed to destroy awo and the AG thinking that will open the way for them to take over yorubaland but as usual, they underestimated
the yorubas. As long as the sardunna have overall power which zik and his people already conceded to him, he didn't care about destroying awo's party. 2 Likes |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by ACM10: 6:00pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
free_soul:
do you have a job at all you and all your brothers that live here you all must be full time criminals Oh yes! I can't agree more. They are bloody internet scammers. Spending nine months and counting on nairaland is no ordinary feat. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by 9javoice1(m): 6:19pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
Of Achebe, Awolowo, Gowon and Biafra Our Reporter October 30, 2012 72 Comments »
BY PRINCE IBORO UDOM
Nigeria’s political history is a story in contradictions. This accounts for why her quest for national unity and integration has been unsuccessful, quite to the chargrin of the few genuine patriots who had dreamt of a Nigeria that would be the envy of all in the community of nations. But upon the attainment of political independence, the hope that a Nigeria nation could emerge out of a multitude of tribes and tongues has unfortunately evaporated like ash such that it seems it could never realize it’s rather cherished but unfulfilled dreams.
While we try to “understand our differences” as Sir Ahmadu Bello advised rather than to “forget our differences” there seems to be a progressive rise in the quantum and intensity of ethnic consciousness as shown by the reactions by ethnic Lords over sundry issues.
This dangerous tendency was recently manifested following the release of a book written by Prof Chinua Achebe and titled: “There was A Country: A Personal History of Biafra” In the latest book the renowned literary icon, blamed the plight of the Igbos especially following the war on the deliberate economic policies formulated by the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo as Finance Minister and Deputy Chairman of the Federal Executive council which was headed by General Yakubu Gowon, the then Head of State.
These policies, according to the literary icon impoverished and economically strangulated the Igbos including other Easterners. These myriads of reactions bring to the force the contradictions, the mischief and sheer absence of love and understanding of the plight of other Nigerians by those who have arrogated national interest and welfare to themselves and see any other person as undeserving of concern. My honest contention would be that it is always very good to apportion blames if by doing so the wrongs done could be rectified or remedied.
In the case of Biafra and Nigeria, undoubtedly, great wrongs have been done with noticeable harm. Ethnic chauvinists and pretenders to the Nigerian unity project are wont to say that Biafra is past and should not be revisited, but they must be advised that we are all products of history.
It has been asserted that those who chose to ignore the lessons of history are more often than not ignored by history itself. This is true of Nigeria.
It has refused to learn from history as a guide to the future but has rather unwittingly been repeating the same mistakes all over again. The result is that it has become like a patient who after medical diagnosis throws away the reports which contained details of his ailment and the recommended treatment to be administered d. when he eventually appears before the doctor, the process is ordered to recommence once again, and chances are that before another process of medical examination is concluded, the situation has become precarious and regrettabley, beyond medical redemption.
The issues mentioned in the said book are all too familiar, but if one may ask, “what were the immediate and remote causes of the Nigeria Civil War (1967-1970)? Who should be blamed for the events that led to the declaration of independence by “Biafra”?
What was the real intention behind the war and post –war policies? The earlier we sincerely give answers to these salient questions, the better for our quest for nationhood. The moment we begin to tell ourselves the home truth even when such revelation and admission/confession is against our personal or tribal interest, the better for the healing process to commence in full swing.
Without any fear of contradiction, let me state clearly that the mindless and senseless massacre and destruction of Igbo lives and properties following the counter coup by the reactionaries led by Lt Col. T. Y. Dnjuma more than anything else caused the attempted secession bid by Colonel Udumegwu Emeka Ojukwu, then Military Governor of the then Eastern Region.
The macabre that attended the well-organized and superbly supervised genocide perpetrated against the Igbos in the north and supported by the northern leaders, albeit as a ‘retaliation’ against the murder of their leaders in the first coup de’tat could have been nipped in the bud if the beneficiaries of the “unitary” government for which General Aguyi Ironsi was sacrificed had taken any sincere step to dissuade their people from the course they had taken against the innocent Igbos who had to pay a great price for their belief in one Nigeria and their spirit of enterprise.
Let the facts be stated the umpteenth time for the mischievous and peddlers of falsehood who distort clear undeniable facts of history for their selfish and tribal interests.
Agreeably, the northerners were never known and have never been know to be pro-Nigerian in their thoughts, inclinations and pronouncements, and for the records, they never wanted independence for Nigeria and neither did they embrace the idea of one Nigeria Resolutions of the Northern Regional House of Assembly regarding the “strangers” on their soil, the various pronouncements of Sir Ahmadu Bello, Premier of the Northern Region, and the aborted speech by General Gowon announcing the division of Nigeria are all in the public domain for Nigerians to see.
Another fact of history is that Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe left the Eastern Region, contested and won election into the Western Regional House of Assembly and was in the process of forming the government in the Region, his party, the National Convention of Nigerian Citizens, NCNC, having won the majority of seats at the Election, but the late sage Awolowo sensing disgrace and obvious loss of relevance, orchestrated through blackmail and recourse to primordial ethnic sentiments and emotions, the “cross-carpeting of the NCNC members of the House to the Action Group, AG,. This singular act killed the spirit of national unity and accommodation that was becoming visible by the wider acceptance of NCNC by the Westerners.
The result of this political ‘master-stroke’ by Awolowo forced Azikiwe unceremoniously back to the Eastern Region where he, out of frustration; having failed to also go the central Legislature in Lagos equally orchestrated a fresh election to the Eastern Region House of Assembly. This singular act again affected the brotherly love in the region and the nationalist spirit as the Efiks, Ibibios and the Annangs etc who were the major victims began to lose hope in the federation, nay the Eastern Region.
This perhaps explains why the Igbos were denied their support during the course of the war. Agreed also that in war, just like Awolowo rationalized, that “everything is fair and starvation is one of the weapons of war, could it rightly be said that post-war anti-people and anti-development policies are accepted especially were it was declared,”no victor, no vanquished”? It is not true that humanitarian service provided by international voluntary organization to Nigerian held territories were denied the civilian populace in Biafra, not the soldiers?
Was this not a clear case of genocide alongside the earlier pogrom in the north targeted at Igbos? And if, as the Awolowo and Gowon apologists are arguing, that they don’t deserve any blame for the suffering of the Igbos nay Easterners during and after the war, can any truly sensible person rationalize the policy conceived and implemented by the said otherwise great Awolowo to the effect that every Easterner (mostly Igbos) that had whatever amount of money in the bank was only given “20 pounds”
Not only this, property belonging to Igbos across the country were seized by the Federal Government and were classified as “abandoned” properties even when the owners had survived the war and needed a means of sustenance.
The late Ikemba (Ojukwu) had to fight for many years to repossess his father’s property in Lagos State. The result of this deliberate and mischievous economic policy was despite deceitful programme of Reconciliation, Rehabilitation and Reconstruction. And when public enterprises were nationalized, no Igbo man/woman was in a position to purchase any shares in those companies. This was against the backdrop of the fact that the Eastern Region, up to the late 1960s was rated as the fastest growing economy in the world.
The literary Icon, Prof Chinua Achebe has not committed any crime by writing his memoirs while alive. Others are enjoined to also tell Nigerians what they know about the war, the pogrom and proffer a way out. We have lied for too long, we have pretended for too long. Time for admission of wrong and confession of sins is now. The Igbos deserve our sympathy and off course, apologies. Iboro Udom writes from Akwa Ibom state
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/opinion/of-achebe-awolowo-gowon-and-biafra/ |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by 9javoice1(m): 6:19pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
There was a country, there was starvation (1)
On October 30, 2012 · In Pini Jason
8:35 am
By Pini Jason
THIS is not a defence of Chinua Achebe. He does not need one. No amount of abuse can dent his global standing. Ban or burn all his books, as someone suggested, he would only feel sorry for you, not angry.
Achebe has since outgrown certain sentiments. On the other hand, if Chief Awolowo were alive, he would have cautioned people against some of the vituperative effusions, especially by people craving relevance with Awo’s name and who cried more than the bereaved.
Awo’s daughter, Ambassador Tokunbo Awolowo-Dosunmu, made one of the most mature reactions. She simply said if what was said to have been written was true, she was disappointed but would not say more than that until she read the book!
Awo was an accomplished and fulfilled man before he died. Nothing said now by ethnic jingoists and fake Awoists can add any value to his eminent standing.
What the nation has witnessed since the publication of an excerpt of a review of Achebe’s There Was A Country: A Personal History of Biafra by Guardian of London is a classic decline of intellectual discourse in Nigeria.
At the time the needless controversy ensued, not more than 10 people would say they had read the book. The first few copies available in Nigeria at the material time were review copies sent to some journalists by Dr. Chidi Achebe.
Others were those who travelled to countries where the book had been published and were able to buy a copy, or were sent a copy by friends abroad. Therefore all those who plunged into attack and counter-attack based on excerpts of a review simply embarrassed themselves. It really did not mean that the outcome would have been radically different if more Nigerians read the book.
I say so because Nigerians read with two brains. While one is reading what was written, the other is busy formulating what the reader believes you wrote! It is therefore not surprising that, in this kind of situation, the combatants in the futile but emotionally charged controversy quickly took cover behind ethnic parapets!
Last week I finished reading a copy sent me by Chidi and I felt more disappointed with the entire hullabaloo about the book and the abuses that went all round. In the first place, the duty a writer of Achebe’s status owes humanity is to shock it with the truth whenever it develops amnesia.
Achebe did just that with his book, 42 years after the civil war. He seems to have succeeded in rousing us from our amnesia, except that the intellectual debate is yet to ensue, and except also that, in Nigeria, my truth is a lie, and your lie is the truth! Secondly, it was wrong to make it seem as if Awo was the subject of the book. He was not even the important point in the book.
The controversial reference to Awolowo did not appear until page 233 of a 333-page book, including appendices, notes and index! Nevertheless, those who have been reading will tell you that Achebe did not say anything new about Awolowo nor has he ever hidden his views about the Yoruba leader!
Nature of Nigerian debate
It is the nature of Nigerian debate that those who insistently make Awo an ethnic champion often turn round to accuse others of diminishing Awo’s status, making me wonder if those who swear in Awo’s name really knew him. For example, Femi Fani-Kayode who effusively described Awo as “much loved leader of the Yoruba” easily turned round, tongue in cheek, to accuse Achebe of “ethnic chauvinism”.
There are not many Yoruba who locate Awo beyond the ethnic enclave to a national stage, unless you tell me that Nigeria begins at Mokola and ends at Dugbe! It took Chief Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu to posthumously elevate Awo to “the best President Nigeria never had”.
One thing any reader of Achebe would confess is that the man tries his best to choose his words carefully. The controversial portion of the book came under the subheading, The Case Against the Nigerian Government. There he took not only Awolowo, but also, Allison Ayida and Anthony Enahoro to task.
And he prefaced his criticism of Awo’s motive for employing starvation as a weapon of war with the words, “it is my impression that…” We can debate whether Achebe’s impression was wrong without name calling, ethnic baiting or profiling.
And that is, if we have any intellectually honest reason to read that portion in isolation of everything else he wrote elsewhere in the book about Awolowo and Yoruba nation!
A few hard questions can be asked: Did Awo have ambition for power for himself and for the advancement of his Yoruba people? Yes he did.
That was an ambition he spent all his political life pursuing. Did Awo see the dominant Igbo as obstacle to that desire? You may argue that Awo was not the only one who saw the Igbo as obstacle but you cannot deny what happened to Zik in Ibadan in 1951.
Hear my friend Ayo Opadokun: “What he (Achebe) expected was that Awo should fold his arms to allow the Igbo race led by Zik to preside over the affairs of the Yoruba nation” (The Nation 5 October 2012). Further, he admitted that “it was clear that the East and West were in contest for socio-economic and political power”. Tell me, could Achebe have put the matter any clearer than Opadokun did?
Just as Achebe conceded that there was nothing wrong with Awo’s aspirations, there was nothing wrong with contest between the East and West for socio-economic and political power, except that no ethnic group in Nigeria wants to contest with Igbo on equal terms or compete on a level playing field. Nigeria obviously felt happy that it has removed the Igbo obstacle by inscribing the Federal Character in the constitution.
And we cannot deny that there was a sing-song of “Igbo domination” in the years leading to the crises that led to the coup and the war. Unfortunately, the fear of “Igbo domination” not only created an enduring conspiracy to cripple the Igbo but also left an unsettled issue of citizenship that has created the dichotomy of “settler” and “indigene” for which blood flows in the Plateau today.
In defence of Awo
I think it was futile to defend Awo on the matter of starvation as a weapon of war after he proffered his own personal defence. In his well publicised 1983 interview, Awo did not deny the charges levied against him by Biafrans.
He simply rationalised his actions. Respected elder statesman and one of the living authentic Awoists, Chief Ayo Adebanjo apparently based his defence of Awo on this interview (Thisday 13 Oct 2012). We can appreciate Awo’s rationalisation or disagree with them. I disagree with some.
Awo said he went to Calabar, Enugu and Port Harcourt shortly after their liberation. “I saw kwashiorkor victims…Then I enquired what happened to the food we are sending to the victims…but what happened was that the vehicles carrying the food were always ambushed by the soldiers…and the food would then be taken to the soldiers to feed them, and so they were able to continue the fight”.
The flaw in this rationalisation is that people may conclude that Awo stopped food supply because Biafran soldiers were hijacking them. In the first place, Nigerian NEVER supplied food to Biafra.
Whatever food Nigeria supplied was to those “liberated” areas behind Biafran lines. Those areas were under the control of the Nigerian army.
Therefore if the vehicles conveying the food were ambushed by soldiers, it could only be by Nigerian soldiers! Food that came into Biafra were direct from World Council of Churches, Caritas, International Red Cross and French NGOs.
These supplies were directly administered by the churches, priests and Red Cross through their feeding centres.
The humanitarian disaster in Biafra was exacerbated when Nigeria closed the air corridors by shooting down some of the relief planes. The argument about using land corridors approved by Nigeria to supply food to Biafra was still on till the war dramatically ended.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/10/there-was-a-country-there-was-starvation-1/ |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by 9javoice1(m): 6:20pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
truth can never die it surely lives |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by 9javoice1(m): 6:23pm On Oct 31, 2012 |
elombah.com/index.php/special-reports/13104-blame-gowon-and-awolowo-for-biafra-genocide-general-madiebo
nationalmirroronline.net/new/interviews/gowon-ceded-bakassi-to-cameroun-to-win-the-civil-war-madiebo/
Many people have been commenting on
Professor Chinua Achebe’s comment on Chief
Obafemi Awolowo in his book, There was a
Country. What Achebe said, as I told some
people, in all aspects, is correct. In fact, I went
further to say that if I am to give my own
account of the war and Awolowo’s role, I
would even have said more.
But that is as far as I can go. I do not want to
draw attention on Achebe’s book to myself.
This is because I haven’t written any book
and I do not want to steal the show or act for
Achebe. Achebe is well qualified to defend
himself but one thing you notice is that, of all
the people who have been criticising Achebe,
no one had said what he said was wrong. If
there is anybody who has said that, then I
have not been able to read or hear it. Nobody
is saying that Awolowo did not give the Igbo
£20 at the end of the war; that he did not
starve the Igbo during the war, and all that
Achebe had to say. This is because what he
(Achebe) said are true. Awolowo’s people
agreed that he had to do them to win the
war. So, what is the bone of contention?
There is no basis for controversy because
one person has given the facts, and the other
person is trying to justify the facts. They are
all entitled to that. Now, I have more. I keep a
lot of documents and materials on the war
and the participants. If I had to write my own,
I might not even mention any of the things
that Achebe said. I mean, he has written as a
civilian and I will write as a soldier. What he
said are all correct and everybody agrees, I
mean all the tribes.
The question now is, is he justified to do
those things just to win a war. That is for
anybody to answer.
One of his followers, Chief Ayo Adebanjo, said
that food supply was stopped because the
soldiers hijacked the food being sent to the
East and didn’t allow it to get to the people.
Obviously, that is a talk of an idle civilian. How
can you be giving food to soldiers? I was
commanding the Army throughout the war.
For the first two months, we had no problem
of food. As far as I know, throughout the war,
Nigeria did not give food to any warfront or
any part under the control of Biafra. This is
common sense. The only thing was that we
had the support from the Caritas (it is a
church organisation) and the Red Cross. I
think Caritas is based in Rome. It is a very big
relief organisation. To get food from them,
their flight only came in the night and
completely under bombardment by the
Nigerian command to prevent the food from
coming in. He said he was giving Biafrans
food. If I were a Nigerian, I won’t give
Biafrans food. We did not have the means to
hijack food coming, with the sophisticated
planes from Nigeria. How could we have
hijacked them with helicopters? The point is
that, officially, unofficially or in any way,
Biafra got no food from Nigeria at all.
There was a brief period when we benefitted
from Nigerian food by accident. It was when
Biafran troops cleared Owerri and cut off a lot
of Nigerian soldiers. The Nigerian Army
started dropping food for their soldiers inside
Owerri. Obviously, we discovered that what
they were doing was that they asked their
soldiers to spread white clothes in the areas
where they were and they would drop food
for them. The Biafran soldiers cleared other
areas and spread white clothes and they
were dropping food for them mistakenly.
They soon found out. They didn’t at any time
during the war give Biafrans food. If they
captured any part of the original Biafra, they
had to feed the people there, but not Biafrans. (Quote) (Report) (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by ACM10: 11:54pm On Oct 30 The agitation for a Biafran nation is still
ongoing in some quarters. Frankly, if one
wants to be realistic, you cannot achieve
Biafra again as we used to know it. First of all,
the old Biafra presently consists of eight or
nine states. There are five in Igboland and
four in the South-South. I am just saying this
off hand. There are about eight states now
made up of the old Biafra. How on earth are
you going to start reuniting all these people
who have enjoyed a lot of progress and have
seen the fruit of local independence? How can
you join them again under one state? It is not
possible. It is not necessarily the political
independence of about eight or nine states.
They cannot lump themselves together again.
Biafra stands for justice. People who are
agitating for Biafra are, in fact, agitating for
justice. They are agitating for an end to the
marginalisation of a certain part of Nigeria.
Chief Uwazuruike who is pursuing the
project in a way, is useful to the Igbo. It is not
useful to the extent of getting independence
for the Igbo. He is the only pressure group
now the Igbo have to let the rest of Nigeria
know what our problems are. In fact, there
was a time that I would say he achieved more
than all the South-East (Nigerian)
governments put together. Under these
governments everybody is trying to get
maximum benefit for himself and his family
and not for the Igbo really. After the war, the
Igbo who joined political parties were just the
second fiddle, not hoping to achieve more
than satisfying their families. Under Abacha,
an Igbo man, Kalu, formed ‘ Youths Earnestly
Ask for Abacha, to have Abacha there
permanently, not an Igbo man. Abacha was
not an Igbo man. Nobody has the ambition of
reuniting the Igbo. They just became
nuisance in a way, individually.
But now, people are beginning to realise that
you don’t achieve much by trying to shine in
the midst of poverty. The Igbo are uniting
again. (Quote) (Report) (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by ACM10: 11:58pm On Oct 30 Why was I not promoted when Gowon and
Unegbu were promoted? I don’t know.
People are asking why Professor Achebe is
reliving the civil war issues after over 40
years. They believe we should not be looking
at what divided us in the past but for
something that will unite us.
That is the point. The issue of the civil war or
Biafra is not coming back. One single person
wrote a book. I haven’t read the book. All I
know about the book is what I have read in
the newspapers or from different journalists.
I am not aware that the issue of Biafra is
coming up again except that Achebe wrote
his memoirs. Nobody talked about many
other things he wrote but only about
Awolowo. As if he wrote about only
Awolowo. Maybe, he did, I don’t know. But I
understand that he wrote a book called ‘There
was a country, Biafra’. Which is true. When
Ojukwu died, he was buried as a General and
Head of State. His coffin was carried by
Generals. In fact, it was the first burial that
looked like a Head of State’s in the history of
Nigeria. Ex-Heads of State came, those who
recognised Biafra. Nigeria was, indeed, trying
to recognise that there was a country.
What are we arguing about? If somebody
says it, he gets into trouble. If he went
beyond it and said that Awolowo did this or
that, he gets into trouble. He just said the
truth but it is left for people to justify if
Awolowo did it because he wanted to win the
war. In fact, there were other things
Awolowo may have done which are part of
his job. This is the way I look at it. I don’t
think there is any need for controversy over
it. If somebody had said that Awolowo never
gave the Igbo £20 after the war or that he
didn’t change currency during the war, then I
would start wondering whether I had
forgotten. But nobody has said that. All they
are saying is that he did this purely to
succeed in his job. He was given a job.
Whether he did it in order to punish the Igbo,
I don’t know. After all, he never consulted the
Yoruba for any decision he took. He was
acting as an individual, not as a Yorubaman,
but as a Minister or Commissioner of Finance.
It has nothing to do with his tribe. Why
should his tribe be angry if he took wrong
decisions or if he showed any
overzealousness in anything he did? After all,
there were other things credited to him. To
start revealing those things now would
obviously try to draw blood. I know that if at
any time that there was anything necessary
to say, that would be in my own memoirs. I
am not going to support somebody else’s
book. Supporting a book that you have not
read, one must be carefully moderated. What I
am saying is that, as far as I am concerned,
everything already credited to him by Achebe
are absolutely correct. (Quote) (Report) (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by Ngodigha1(m): 12:02am This is interesting. Please can you give us a clickable link. If I see a yorugbaman and a snake, which one do you think I will kill first?. (Quote) (Report) 1 Like (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by ACM10: 12:03am I'm posting with my phone. Can someone edit the interview to appear reader friendly? (Quote) (Report) (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by ACM10: 12:06am As a commander during the war, you were
familiar with every section of Biafra and,
perhaps, Nigeria. Was Bakassi within the
geographical zone of Nigeria? Bakassi is an
example of the evils of inter-tribal politics, evil
of colonialism and of North-South dichotomy.
If I tell the story of Bakassi, it may take too
long but we started losing Bakassi in 1959.
That was when we lost South -West
Cameroun. You know South-West Cameroun is
Adamawa in the North and Barmanda in the
South. They were part of Nigeria because the
League of Nations after the Second World War
shared Cameroun into two. It belonged to
Germany. It gave the East to France and the
West to Britain. Britain then shared its own
into two, administered the North as Adamawa
Province with the Northern Nigeria and the
South with Eastern Nigeria. In 1959, most
colonies were to get independence and the
British thought of what to do with this
Western Cameroun being administered by
Britain under Nigeria. Britain decided to give
the Southern Cameroun back to France and
the Northern one, Adamawa to Nigeria. Do
you know why? Britain was adjusting
population so that the North should have
overall majority in Lagos. I took part in the
United Nations plebiscite which was to decide
who goes where. I was the only Nigerian
indigenous officer that took part in that
exercise. The British realised that South-West
Cameroun under Hendeley was NCNC. That
was why they called it National Council for
Nigeria and Cameroun (NCNC). They had 14
seats in Nigeria in the Eastern Region and one
seat at the centre. That seat at the centre was
won by Hendeley and he became Minister of
Labour. Hendeley won 13 of the14 seats in
Enugu. Funcher was being used by the British
to remove Cameroun from Nigeria. Funcher
won only one seat, yet when the plebiscite
came, he defeated Hendeley who had 13
seats. It was possible because Sardauna and
Awolowo saw it as an opportunity to reduce
the representation of the NCNC both in Lagos
and in the East. You know this is
shortsightedness. I won’t dwell much on that,
so eventually we lost that. Having lost that
part of Cameroun, Britain and Nigeria were
rejoicing that NCNC’s wing had been clipped.
They didn’t realise that after losing it they had
given the North over 52 per cent
representation over the South. They didn’t
need anybody in the South to rule Nigeria.
That was the beginning of the end. When the
civil war came, having taken that part of the
Cameroun, they were too happy to bother
about demarcating the area. We decided to
bring all our weapons from the Cameroun.
Ahidjo, the president of Cameroun said he
didn’t know where the boundary was, so we
should carry on. He was blackmailing Nigeria.
If that place had remained open, Nigeria
would have defeated Biafra, but it would
have taken about 10 to 15 years.
Gowon told Ahidjo to select the boundary and
close it after the war, ‘we shall discuss’. Ahidjo
said, okay thank you sir. Ahidjo then went
and told Biafra enough is enough. He marked
the boundary and policed it. Eventually, we
lost the war. At the end, Nigeria went back
and said that was not the boundary. Ahidjo
reminded Gowon that he told them to mark
the boundary. ‘‘We marked the boundary, you
won the war forget it’’. Ahidjo, being a Fulani,
each time he wanted to discuss the Nigerian
border with Cameroun, he might even go to
Sokoto and speak in vernacular. Journalists
wouldn’t even know what they were saying.
That was how they took Bakassi. We tried
from 1972, they started enforcing it with
soldiers. People would say you can’t eat your
cake and have it; you sacrificed Bakassi for
Biafra. If you say take what you want, we
want Biafra, you have got Biafra, so you have
lost Bakassi. It is unfortunate that they are
our brothers. My troops were there and, if we
are to be truthful, that place is Nigeria. But if
you have in anyway given it to them, let
them have it. (Quote) (Report) (Like) Re: Blame Gowon And Awolowo For Biafra Genocide - General Madiebo by ACM10: 12:07am It is now over 40 years since the civil war ended, have the Igbo have been reintegrated into the polity? I'd say reintegration of the Igbo has been a slow process. You can never reintegrate the Igbo fully as it used to be before the war. Now the Army was completely against the reintegration of the Igbo into the Nigerian society because of selfishness. The soldiers thought that if Igbo officers came back, they (Nigerian soldiers) would be relegated to the background because Igbo officers were, on the whole, senior to all of them. This is because after independence, most of the senior officers were Igbo. So, reintegration did not start at all until the military regime stopped, probably with the exit of Obasanjo. Now, since then, we have had some progress. For instance, for the first time, we are having Chief of Army Staff as an Igbo man. The Igbo are getting attention in various senses, both in politics and in other ways, but there is a long way to go. There are people who are determined that the more you draw the Igbo into the society, the more they are threatened. I have the details of the reintegration of the Igbo but I can’t give you all. What I am merely trying to tell you as briefly as possible is that the Igbo have not been fully reintegrated into Nigeria.
Major General Alexander Madiebo was a war commander of the Biafran Army during the civil war otherwise known as the Biafran War.
Excerpts from his interview with National Mirror |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by tomakint: 7:03pm On Nov 01, 2012 |
@9javoice, you will live long for digging this up, My God shall make your enemies your footstool in Jesus Name (Amen)! Indeed, just like my signature, “truth is a mystery; it takes time to unravel itself” I have always believed in that principle all my life and it’s really helping me. The first, second and third excerpts are well orchestrated and reliable. Prince Iboro Udom version’s was excellent and succinctly captured the whole episode the way he ended his piece with, “Others are enjoined to also tell Nigerians what they know about the war, the pogrom and proffer a way out. We have lied for too long, we have pretended for too long. Time for admission of wrong and confession of sins is now. The Igbos deserve our sympathy and off course, apologies.” Pini Jason’s version where he said, “…in Nigeria, my truth is a lie, and your lie is the truth!” is a common dessert in the country. The Major General Alexander Madiebo accounts was very direct and unbiased, I remember coming across something related (although not as loaded as this) in his book, “The Nigerian Revolution and the Biafran War.” I cannot agree less, you really made my day, I must confess that after the book, ‘The Fall of Biafra’ by Ben Gbulie this excerpt comes next as one of the expository and revealing accounts on the Nigerian-Biafran Civil War. I am impressed by this noble truth, I have always believed the Igbos deserve REPARATION, I have a short post to that on this forum. Imagine how we just lost the oil-rich Bakassi like that, indeed once an Aboki, always an Aboki. The problem with so many of us is that, the bitterness some of our fathers nursed against the Igbos have been transferred down to some of us, hence the truth about the Biafra genocide claim has been beclouded by prejudiced-driven hatred for a progressive tribe especially from deluded clowns in the house (chief among them is one thing that calls himself ‘Ogbomosho Goat’ aka dayokano)! The Bakassi episode really catch my fancy, a pay back time for greed, and this is the same man going about shouting, ‘praise the Lord’, indeed, the heart is deceitful and terribly wicked! I hope the respected literary Icon (Professor Chinua Achebe) and others involved can move quickly and see how the Pretender-In-Command, Gowon, will be made to face International Court of Justice for his government crimes against defenseless nursing mothers, pregnant women and children before he commits [b]suicide! [/b]Wole Soyinka will always be an adored Personality to me till I breathe my last! The tribalistic tendencies of Nairaland discussants always end up watering down sensitive topics that we ought to have benefitted maximally from, most times some ‘smart clowns’ on Nairaland even have a way of bungling debates and shifting them to their ‘Comfort Zones’ by asking for evidences each time you make your points. Some are fond of derailing sensitive topics and at the end defeat the purpose that topic would have generated if well discussed. Indeed, many Nairalanders have dumped this forum for ‘Nigerian Village Square’ because of the childish and wayward antecedents of some goons here who just want to be heard at all cost even though they are making a fool of themselves.
The Pretender-In-Command will never cease to amaze me, he coined the sly catchphrase, ‘no victor, no vanquished’ for conscience sake, he went further by promising to integrate the Igbos back into the political mainstream of the country. Till date, the Igbos are yet to be integrated and he is going about forming, ‘I am a Christian, let’s pray for a Peaceful Nigeria’ thank God no one can mock God, his own home State is still on fire and exactly what Biafrans felt then is being replicated across the whole North – that is why he is GOD! This same man, Gowon, was privileged to be at the helms of affairs at a time oil was booming and contributing well to the revenue of the young country, little wonder he said then, “the problem with Nigeria is not money, but how to spend it.” He left the Reconciliation, Rehabilitation and Reconstruction (the 3Rs) bogus promise he made to the Biafrans shortly after the war and chose to establish an agreement with Eric M. Gairy, then Prime Minister of Grenada, on May 1975 to pay the salaries of the small Caribbean country’s civil servants ($2.5 million was loaned out by the Gowon led government) during the Commonwealth summit held in Jamaica (you can read this up on page 71, “Troubled Journey: Nigeria since the Civil War”, eds LN Nwachukwu and GN Uzoigwe, 2004 also “Nigerian Foreign Policy Under Military Rule 1966-1999″ by O Abegunrin, 2003, page 63). He did this at a time Nigeria was burning and riddled with uncontrolled corruption. The Pretender-In-Command was even found out to have built a five-star hotel overlooking the beach in Togo. Agreed, we all know Gowon was not in command, he was a mere puppet in the hands of the Kaduna Mafia Group and the British Secret Agents but because he had an “ambition to rule at all cost” he chose to play the puppet and one would expect that at 78 years old, he ought to have taken the path of honour by making his way right with his God and apologizing particularly to the Igbos sincerely for his role in the genocidal colouration of the civil war and the pogroms that took place before the civil war. Unfortunately, he is still blaming Ojukwu (who has since been vindicated) and trying to mask the FACTS of what actually transpired then.
When he was eventually kicked out by the Barbarian, Murtala Mohammed, we thought a reasonable one had taken control, but we were all wrong. Murtala laid the foundation for the indebtedness and mass unemployment in the country till date. He sacked about 10,000 civil servants from the polity in the name of reform and systematically infiltrated the balanced Civil Service Commission with his fellow “Mallams” and indirectly opens up the country to the emergence of “Ghost Workers.” Not done yet, he with his Supreme Military Council gangs, without due consultation from a wider scope carved out Abuja as the ‘New Capital Territory’ in view, hence, resorting to heavy borrowing and extravagance spending at a time we need to establish more industries and carve out better standard of living for the teeming populace then, thereby plundering the young country into more miseries. Abuja Master Plan was laid in 1975 and up to now it is still undergoing developments (imagine the huge funds that would have been wasted and misappropriated) while the 3Rs promise to the Biafrans have since been neglected, tell me what kind of leaders do we have in this country? Abuja was penciled down at a time Lagos was yet to be saturated with meaningful developments expected of a city. I may not consider Abuja as a location for capital territory as a bad idea but rushing into such a project that requires huge capital at a time the country needs restructuring and meaningful developments was fraudulent and ill-timed! Nigeria must continue to thank God that a ruler in the mould of Murtala didn’t last 6 months! |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Nobody: 8:23pm On Nov 01, 2012 |
Nigeria exists to serve the greedy interests of the British Commonwealth. That's the main reason why our people are getting poorer and poorer everyday, and the British people keep doing 'inyanga' for us with their visa. It costs N78,000.00 to process a visa to the UK.
Gowon's reasoning will only accelerate the economic and anthropological demise of our unborn generation. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by justice11: 1:11am On Nov 02, 2012 |
quid: This is the way forward Thanks for your map, there is a little error there. The Niger Middle Belt western end should rather go with the Arewa or Oduduwa, same for the Kogis. lol!!! Just kidding anyway. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by OneNaira6: 4:46am On Nov 02, 2012 |
I don't know why some Igbo are getting angry nor do i know why Nigerians think gowon asking to be taking to icc, somehow proves his innocence. All dictators and war criminals denied ever committing what's accused of them. All Hilter main commanders did the same thing, some even shouted how the court will prove their innocence, once they were condemned, tune changed to we are just taking orders. The scientist that experimented with twins during holocaust kept on that he Did nothing wrong. This comes of no suprise, people like him all do it.
All that should matter is he's statement of taking him to court to be tried as war criminal. I would love for this man to answer question I've been dreaming to ask him. what was asaba offense for one thing? Did he or did he not know of the killings occurring in asaba by his men at that time? since he talked of ojukwu separting from Nigeria, maybe he can answer why didn't he follow through with what he and ojukwu agreed on in ghana. If that man ever gets trailed before he dies, i hope they allow civilians the opportunity to question him. Ewu monkey. Sadly, the man knows what he is doing. Britian and USA would never allow that since it put them on blast as well. If only the British and USA, weren't involved. Sadly, they were thus they would continue fighting to keep it hidden similar to how they continue to fight to keep their atrocity in iraq, afghan hidden. I can't wait till China takes over as world power maybe then some of the sh1t the present world power hide about themselves would surface to the world. I applaud Chinua Achebe for daring to speak. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by MandingoII(m): 6:04am On Nov 02, 2012 |
That book is in all the Bookstores in America. Actually, the book greets you when you walk through the door.
Thus Achebe's voice is the one that will be heard.
I was going to buy it, but I will wait until it either hits the library or go on paperback.
Libraries get New books too. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Nobody: 9:01am On Nov 02, 2012 |
MandingoII: That book is in all the Bookstores in America. Actually, the book greets you when you walk through the door.
Very good. Now, let Gowon go and write his own memoirs. He was commander-in-chief and he has a PhD in Political Science. He should stop ranting. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by tomakint: 9:44am On Nov 03, 2012 |
quid:
Very good. Now, let Gowon go and write his own memoirs. He was commander-in-chief and he has a PhD in Political Science. He should stop ranting. Write his own book? Wetin Aboki wan write? Forget that his PdD, guilty conscience will never give him the composure to write.He has been regurgitating the same old school fabricated tales about the war nothing new! |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Nobody: 11:25am On Nov 03, 2012 |
He will have a hard time explaining his role in the murder of Aguiyi Ironsi, among his many many Unspeakable atrocities. tomakint: Write his own book? Wetin Aboki wan write? Forget that his PdD, guilty conscience will never give him the composure to write.He has been regurgitating the same old school fabricated tales about the war nothing new! |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by justice11: 11:39am On Nov 05, 2012 |
Dede1:
If you want to live your entire miserable life on blatant falsehood, I do not give a ratazz. You can even insinuate Nzeribe owns southwestern Nigeria. Well, no point engaging in war of words. Are you not already miserable? When the matter of 42years is graving your anger now. Nothing could be more miserable than that. So, Mr. Miserable, keep on!!! lol!!! 1 Like |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by justice11: 11:41am On Nov 05, 2012 |
T9ksy:
Was it not NPC and their coalition partner NCNC who had awo jailed on thrumped up charges? NPC could not have done it on their own volition
with the active support of zik and his party who were in govt with them (NPC).
Only zik and his ibo people needed to destroy awo and the AG thinking that will open the way for them to take over yorubaland but as usual, they underestimated
the yorubas. As long as the sardunna have overall power which zik and his people already conceded to him, he didn't care about destroying awo's party. And he fail, as his descendant will keep failing at that! |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by hakanai(m): 12:43pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
tomakint: @9javoice, you will live long for digging this up, My God shall make your enemies your footstool in Jesus Name (Amen)! Indeed, just like my signature, “truth is a mystery; it takes time to unravel itself” I have always believed in that principle all my life and it’s really helping me. The first, second and third excerpts are well orchestrated and reliable. Prince Iboro Udom version’s was excellent and succinctly captured the whole episode the way he ended his piece with, “Others are enjoined to also tell Nigerians what they know about the war, the pogrom and proffer a way out. We have lied for too long, we have pretended for too long. Time for admission of wrong and confession of sins is now. The Igbos deserve our sympathy and off course, apologies.” Pini Jason’s version where he said, “…in Nigeria, my truth is a lie, and your lie is the truth!” is a common dessert in the country. The Major General Alexander Madiebo accounts was very direct and unbiased, I remember coming across something related (although not as loaded as this) in his book, “The Nigerian Revolution and the Biafran War.” I cannot agree less, you really made my day, I must confess that after the book, ‘The Fall of Biafra’ by Ben Gbulie this excerpt comes next as one of the expository and revealing accounts on the Nigerian-Biafran Civil War. I am impressed by this noble truth, I have always believed the Igbos deserve REPARATION, I have a short post to that on this forum. Imagine how we just lost the oil-rich Bakassi like that, indeed once an Aboki, always an Aboki. The problem with so many of us is that, the bitterness some of our fathers nursed against the Igbos have been transferred down to some of us, hence the truth about the Biafra genocide claim has been beclouded by prejudiced-driven hatred for a progressive tribe especially from deluded clowns in the house (chief among them is one thing that calls himself ‘Ogbomosho Goat’ aka dayokano)! The Bakassi episode really catch my fancy, a pay back time for greed, and this is the same man going about shouting, ‘praise the Lord’, indeed, the heart is deceitful and terribly wicked! I hope the respected literary Icon (Professor Chinua Achebe) and others involved can move quickly and see how the Pretender-In-Command, Gowon, will be made to face International Court of Justice for his government crimes against defenseless nursing mothers, pregnant women and children before he commits [b]suicide! [/b]Wole Soyinka will always be an adored Personality to me till I breathe my last! The tribalistic tendencies of Nairaland discussants always end up watering down sensitive topics that we ought to have benefitted maximally from, most times some ‘smart clowns’ on Nairaland even have a way of bungling debates and shifting them to their ‘Comfort Zones’ by asking for evidences each time you make your points. Some are fond of derailing sensitive topics and at the end defeat the purpose that topic would have generated if well discussed. Indeed, many Nairalanders have dumped this forum for ‘Nigerian Village Square’ because of the childish and wayward antecedents of some goons here who just want to be heard at all cost even though they are making a fool of themselves.
The Pretender-In-Command will never cease to amaze me, he coined the sly catchphrase, ‘no victor, no vanquished’ for conscience sake, he went further by promising to integrate the Igbos back into the political mainstream of the country. Till date, the Igbos are yet to be integrated and he is going about forming, ‘I am a Christian, let’s pray for a Peaceful Nigeria’ thank God no one can mock God, his own home State is still on fire and exactly what Biafrans felt then is being replicated across the whole North – that is why he is GOD! This same man, Gowon, was privileged to be at the helms of affairs at a time oil was booming and contributing well to the revenue of the young country, little wonder he said then, “the problem with Nigeria is not money, but how to spend it.” He left the Reconciliation, Rehabilitation and Reconstruction (the 3Rs) bogus promise he made to the Biafrans shortly after the war and chose to establish an agreement with Eric M. Gairy, then Prime Minister of Grenada, on May 1975 to pay the salaries of the small Caribbean country’s civil servants ($2.5 million was loaned out by the Gowon led government) during the Commonwealth summit held in Jamaica (you can read this up on page 71, “Troubled Journey: Nigeria since the Civil War”, eds LN Nwachukwu and GN Uzoigwe, 2004 also “Nigerian Foreign Policy Under Military Rule 1966-1999″ by O Abegunrin, 2003, page 63). He did this at a time Nigeria was burning and riddled with uncontrolled corruption. The Pretender-In-Command was even found out to have built a five-star hotel overlooking the beach in Togo. Agreed, we all know Gowon was not in command, he was a mere puppet in the hands of the Kaduna Mafia Group and the British Secret Agents but because he had an “ambition to rule at all cost” he chose to play the puppet and one would expect that at 78 years old, he ought to have taken the path of honour by making his way right with his God and apologizing particularly to the Igbos sincerely for his role in the genocidal colouration of the civil war and the pogroms that took place before the civil war. Unfortunately, he is still blaming Ojukwu (who has since been vindicated) and trying to mask the FACTS of what actually transpired then.
When he was eventually kicked out by the Barbarian, Murtala Mohammed, we thought a reasonable one had taken control, but we were all wrong. Murtala laid the foundation for the indebtedness and mass unemployment in the country till date. He sacked about 10,000 civil servants from the polity in the name of reform and systematically infiltrated the balanced Civil Service Commission with his fellow “Mallams” and indirectly opens up the country to the emergence of “Ghost Workers.” Not done yet, he with his Supreme Military Council gangs, without due consultation from a wider scope carved out Abuja as the ‘New Capital Territory’ in view, hence, resorting to heavy borrowing and extravagance spending at a time we need to establish more industries and carve out better standard of living for the teeming populace then, thereby plundering the young country into more miseries. Abuja Master Plan was laid in 1975 and up to now it is still undergoing developments (imagine the huge funds that would have been wasted and misappropriated) while the 3Rs promise to the Biafrans have since been neglected, tell me what kind of leaders do we have in this country? Abuja was penciled down at a time Lagos was yet to be saturated with meaningful developments expected of a city. I may not consider Abuja as a location for capital territory as a bad idea but rushing into such a project that requires huge capital at a time the country needs restructuring and meaningful developments was fraudulent and ill-timed! Nigeria must continue to thank God that a ruler in the mould of Murtala didn’t last 6 months!
^^^^ Another Achebe quoting from another biafra propaganda rubbish without facts or knowledge.Facts please on your claims and source that all you said about there action and reactions were true with statistics of then and now? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Nobody: 12:45pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
Still waiting for Gowon's memoirs, which will include the wiping out of his Plateau brothers by his former allies. |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by T9ksy(m): 1:10pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
justice11:
And he fail, as his descendant will keep failing at that! ashe o! |
Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by tomakint: 1:22pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
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Re: Achebe Wrote Out Of Ignorance - Gowon by Olaolufred(m): 3:12pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
tomakint: You got me discombobulated there; can u please supply ur own manufactured FACTS? Or try to refute my quoted post......I am waiting! Can you do this forum a favor by pasting your link? I believe I can learn from you if we will talk objectively and not allow ourselves beclouded by sentiments and bitterness. Thanks. |