ACM10: [size=38pt]The reported exchanges among
our founding fathers are instructive. It
was said that

Nnamdi Azikiwe, eager to
forge one nation with one destiny asked
Ahmadu Bello: ‘Let us forget our
differences’.

Ahmadu Bello was reported
to have instead responded: ‘No: let us
rather understand our differences’.

In
another case,

Obafemi Awolowo was
reported as saying that ‘Nigeria is a mere
geographical expression’[/size]
(Prof. Chukwuma Charles Soludo)

Katsumoto:

STFU

If the AG was implementing regional/ethnic policies, it would not have increased its vote from 1 (1954) in the North to 25 (1959) and from 7 (1954) to 14 (1959).

It is you that has a warped logic. Look at the results and stop yarning dust as usual.

Can you tell us what these nationalist policies Zik proposed. The argument about Zik being a nationalist had nothing to do with policy but personal ambition. Agreed he wanted Nigeria at all cost but why was that? What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?

Katsumoto:

STFU

If the AG was implementing regional/ethnic policies, it would not have increased its vote from 1 (1954) in the North to 25 (1959) and from 7 (1954) to 14 (1959) in the East.

It is you that has a warped logic. Look at the results and stop yarning dust as usual.

Can you tell us what these nationalist policies Zik proposed. The argument about Zik being a nationalist had nothing to do with policy but personal ambition. Agreed he wanted Nigeria at all cost but why was that? What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?

Andro Blaze:

I really don't get why our Eastern brothers on NL fail in Logic every single time!!! I mean if all the books tell me the sun is blue and every morning it comes out yellow- would I insist on being as stupid as the books?? Can I not think for myself?

A tribal party that increases it share in other regions and has a majority of it seats in other regions; while the nationalist party decreases its share in other regions and has its majority seat from one region; Igbo, Lies and Propaganda!!

T9ksy:



David mark hasn't said anything that one doesn't already know and thus vindicates no one lest of all, the ibos.

It's common knowledge that neither awo nor the sardunna was for one nigeria except zik and his ibo people.

And no one was left in any doubt as to why the ibos wanted one nigeria- certainly not for the love they harbour for their fellow potential countrymen but GREED![/color]

Katsumoto:

Some of you don't try to learn and verify facts for your yourselves; you just accept whatever you are told.

In the 1959 elections to decide the first government, AG won 35 seats in the West, 5 in the mid-west, 25 in the North, 14 in the East, and 1 in Lagos.

NCNC won 58 in the East, 21 in the West, 2 in Lagos, and only 2 in the North.

If AG was a regional party, how come it won more seats outside its base in the West? Yet NPC won most of its seats in the North and NCNC won most of its seats in the East.

If we look at the origins of the NCNC, one will realize that it was a National party started by Lagos Yoruba but was turned into an Igbo party by Zik (just look at the results). The seats won in the West are as a result of the groundwork of the original members of the NCNC. The 'national' party had no showing in the North.

NCNC founding executive: Herbert macaulay - President, Azikiwe - General Secretary, Oyeshile Omage - Financial Secretary, Dr Olorun-Nimbe - Treasurer, Onojobi and Ogedengbe - Auditors, Akerele and Odunsi - Legal advicers

I think its on record that the NCNC was founded by Yorubas

Katsumoto:

STFU

If the AG was implementing regional/ethnic policies, it would not have increased its vote from 1 (1954) in the North to 25 (1959) and from 7 (1954) to 14 (1959) in the East.

It is you that has a warped logic. Look at the results and stop yarning dust as usual.

Can you tell us what these nationalist policies Zik proposed. The argument about Zik being a nationalist had nothing to do with policy but personal ambition. Agreed he wanted Nigeria at all cost but why was that? What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?

Katsumoto:

When people use emotions to debate, they are bound to ignore logic in their positions. I challenged Abagworo and OnlyTruth to provide facts that support Awo introducing ethnic policies but they are hiding in the shadows. When you challenge their silly lies with facts, you are labelled a revisionist or tribalist.

They should at least try and refute your 'facts' with their own 'facts' but no, it is their opinion that we have to accept.

Andro Blaze:

I really don't get why our Eastern brothers on NL fail in Logic every single time!!! I mean if all the books tell me the sun is blue and every morning it comes out yellow- would I insist on being as stupid as the books?? Can I not think for myself?

A tribal party that increases it share in other regions and has a majority of it seats in other regions; while the nationalist party decreases its share in other regions and has its majority seat from one region; Igbo, Lies and Propaganda- the conjoined Triplets!!

Dede1:


I believe sometimes you know the facts but tend to obfuscate. The introduction of sectarian and tribal politics in the protectorates and later Nigeria hangs in the corners of Bello, Balewa and Awolowo.

The principal cornerstones of NPC and AG were both religious and tribal. However the first tribally and religiously organized political party to cross the finish line was NPC judging from the date of its official formation. In 1949, NPC rose from Quadriyya\Tijaniyya Sects and Pilgrim Association to a political party. In other hand in 1951, AG rose from Egbe Omo Oduduwa to a political party.

As you alluded in your post, NCNC was formed by a group of would-be Nigerians\Cameroonians who cut across all the ethnic and religious groups in Nigeria\Cameroon. Do you realize your good friend Zanna Dipcharima was an NCNC card-carrying member before defecting to NPC?

ACM10:
Stop mas.turbating on another person's comment. You are the one who is debating with emotion. Which fact did you bring to the table to buttress your argument? Your analogy does not add up. Almost everyone across the wide divide which includes some northerners like Sanusi claimed that Awolowo's party was a regional party-cum-tribalists.

ACM10:
Did Awolowo implement free education in the areas they control in the north and east?
Why did he not propose free education for the rest of the country when he was in the position of authority?
How did Awolowo policies favour Nigerians in general when he was the federal finance minister?

dayokanu: ^^^ Bros you are forgetting something..

That book in your grandmas village library. Its about a year now that you promised to bring it

Katsumoto:

The fact remains that Egbe Omo Oduduwa became a political party which had a number of non-Yoruba amongst its ranks. All political start has ideas and then morph into something else. Abraham Lincoln was the Republican party elected president who fought to end slavery. The Christian Social Union of Bavaria is a Bavarian party that is the current coalition ruling Germany.

The question is ,'how did Awo start ethnic politics?'

Bear in mind the following

1. Egbe Omo oduduwa was formed years after the Ibo state union was formed with Zik as president.
2. The Nigerian youth movement of which Awo and Zik were members was dissolved as a result of the fallout of an election in 1941 between Samuel Akinsanya (supported by Zik) and Ernest Ikoli supported by Awo. Ikoli won said election and Zik's accusation at the time? That it was an Eko conspiracy against Ijebus! never mind that Awo was Ijebu.

You lot keep repeating these lies against the person of Obafemi Awolowo. They said he started ethnic politics with cross-carpeting, produce the results which says so, you can't. ACM10 is still on his way to his grandmother's library in her village riding a tortoise. Maybe he will produce the results by 2062.

Katsumoto:

Do you see why you are a slowpoke. Tell us what made the AG aregional party, you are referring us to statements that were made when there exists facts that kill that notion.



So you were expecting the party in opposition to implement policy in the East and North!!!! You really are a donkey.

ACM10:


Awolowo was implicated in a coup plot against the Balewa government.
Awolowo wanted to bring down Balewa government when he lost out in the local power struggle.
He instigated crisis which made the western region ungovernable and eventually the whole of Nigeria. This precipitated the civil war.
Awolowo does not have a history of making the necessary compromise for the good of the nation. His political creed was "my way or no way".

ACM10:

On the question of "What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?"
In essence, we are saying the same thing. Zik was a nationalist leader who was willing to make sacrifices. He was willing to forgive for the common good of the nation. I read Zik's speech after the British police officers murdered 21 protesting coal miners in Enugu. He was such a statesman. He was simply an awesome leader. Nigeria has never produced a leader after Zik who is willing to view events with an objective mind. I can quote several comments where Awolowo bitterly condemned Zik, but I've never come across any qoute attributed to Zik where he unleashed equal venomous attack on Awo's character.

Finally, Can you tell us the nationalist policies which Awolowo implemented when he was an all powerful federal finance minister?

ACM10:

Did Igbo Union metamorphosize to a political party?
Zik separated his tribes sociocultural agenda from national politics. Prove that he mixed the two. Why was Awo's case different? It is just like Ohaneze Ndigbo registering as a political party. Whose interest do yo think they will defend?

Andro Blaze: @ Katz

I wonder why you bother with these lazy literates- its criminal that anyone should school people this much and not get paid!!!

@ACM10

Why don't you go and ask your secondary school government teacher why a minority party cannot force its policy on the majority party- as they say in Pidigin "your head de touch".

Katsumoto:

It is a fact that Awo was jailed for treason, without evidence and on the testimony alone of Maja. I can equally go forward and tell the whole world that you are planning on topping GEJ's government. Should that be enough to jail you? In any civilized society, Awo wouldn't not have gone to prison.

Again you are a donkey for trying to blame the civil war on Awo rather than your murdering brothers and Ojukwu who went to war because he was afraid of being removed by Gowon.

What Nationalist? Zik simply had his eyes on other regions. Since Zik did not lose any relatives in the 40s or 50s to ethnic violence, he found it convenient to forget the differences with other groups and that was why he was told by Bello that differences can't be ignored.

Awo was a war time finance minister. Nigeria fought a civil war without borrowing money. How many nations do you know who fought wars without excessive debt?

The overall value of the 20 pound policy was higher than the total value of Biafran currency at the end of the war. So, yes, he sound economic policies.

Katsumoto:

I don't care for their education. My position is to challenge long held lies and myths so that when a neutral observer reads the post, he can reach a logical conclusion. Trust me, the Internet has become a powerful tool for spreading lies. To keep quiet is to accept that the lies are indeed truths.

Katsumoto:

Hahahaha

I will continue to school you.

Zik made an address to the Ibo union in 1949 which was basically an ethnocentric speech. Two years later, he would try to be premier of the Western region and fail. Do you think he would have attempted to win the election in the West with the Ibo union? Of course not. He needed a Yoruba formed party for that.

Andro Blaze: @ Katz

I wonder why you bother with these lazy literates- its criminal that anyone should school people this much and not get paid!!!

@ACM10

Why don't you go and ask your secondary school government teacher why a minority party cannot force its policy on the majority party- as they say in Pidigin "your head de touch".

ACM10:
You are a revisionist a-s-s. Debating with you is like debating with a deaf. You made up your mind before coming into a debate. And you are prepared to cite any analogy to bolster your warped logic. The coupist were motivated by the nationalist zeal. The western region was in turmoil. People were dying everyday. The country was ungovernable. So the struck to restore normalcy. They claim that their aim was to restore Awo back to power. Hardly do they know that Awo was a con politician. His outward character was deceptive.

ACM10:
Awo was tried in a civilian court. His attorneys were given an ample time to defend their client. He was subsequently found guilty of conspiring to overthrow the constituted authority. Awo was convicted of treasonable felony. Such a deeply flawed man. If he was popular as he claims, why did he lost in the power struggle to his deputy? Why can't he wait for the next election to test his popularity? Why resort to undemocratic method to get to power?


You are a revisionist a-s-s. Debating with you is like debating with a deaf. You made up your mind before coming into a debate. And you are prepared to cite any analogy to bolster your warped logic. The coupist were motivated by the nationalist zeal. The western region was in turmoil. People were dying everyday. The country was ungovernable. So the struck to restore normalcy. They claim that their aim was to restore Awo back to power. Hardly do they know that Awo was a con politician. His outward character was deceptive.




What an a-s-s! You expect Zik to lose his relative to prove his selflessness? Prove that his nationalist posture was motivated by greed?

ACM10:
Beyond your careless assertion, can you
show me an evidence with any economic
indices that 20 pounds was higher than
the total value of Biafran currency.
Sentiment aside! I expect you to furnish
me with raw economic indices. I get
bored by long grammar.

T9ksy:



David mark hasn't said anything that one doesn't already know and thus vindicates no one lest of all, the ibos.

It's common knowledge that neither awo nor the sardunna was for one nigeria except zik and his ibo people.

And no one was left in any doubt as to why the ibos wanted one nigeria- certainly not for the love they harbour for their fellow potential countrymen but GREED!

Katsumoto: They run their 'fingers' with the same old lies that have been handed down through generations. I don't understand how supposed MEN can engage in a public debate without facts. When presented with facts, they run like little bia.tches.

Abagworo and OnlyTruth, I dare you to present facts that support the position that Awo introduced ethnic politics in Nigeria; please do not disappoint us.