Of course, Italo has to be the trouble maker.

It can't possibly be anyone else.

Afterall, the rest are Christians and I am an "idol worshipper."

^^^You are not an idol worshipper as far as i know. You are a truth-seeker, and you shall find it (sooner than you expect).

i am loving me this godly fight.

*Coughs*

advocate666: i am loving me this godly fight.

666 Advocate, Whence comest thou

seriallink:

666 Advocate, Whence comest thou

From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

advocate666:

From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Hope I'm not chatting with lucifer himself get behind me Satan!

seriallink:

Hope I'm not chatting with lucifer himself get behind me Satan!

My name is Legion: for we are many.

italo: I still think its hypocritical to take a position that accuses me of standing by my faith and criticizing other faith...and then criticize my faith. Except you are about to change the definition of HYPOCRISY.

As regards your "Queen of Heaven" worries,

In Jeremiah 7:18, God is indeed upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the "queen of heaven". However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn't mean that we cannot pay honor to the true Queen of Heaven...the Blessed Mother.
That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call "god," we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name...God...because that's the same title the idolaters use for their god! That is faulty logic and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, the fact that there is a false "queen of heaven", does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false goddess when we call Mary the "Queen of Heaven." Just as the fact that there is a false "god", does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false god when we call our Father in Heaven, God.

And there is a true Queen of Heaven, we see this quite clearly in Revelation 12:1, "And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars..." Let's see. There's a woman...she's in Heaven...and she has a crown on her head. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's the maid! No! It is the true Queen of Heaven, Mary, the mother of the male child who is to rule the nations.

We do not worship Mary, we honor her, just as Jesus honors her. So, there is absolutely nothing wrong, from a scriptural point of view, in calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, and in honoring her just as Jesus honors her.

From: www.biblechristiansociety.com

Guy, the woman being referred to in Revelations is the church. You know the church is referred to with female gender. If you read the rest of the scripture you'll see it fits in with that profile and not that of Mary's.

There is no real justification for the Roman catholic doctrines in scripture, that is, if you read the bible the right side up.

mollie12:

Guy, the woman being referred to in Revelations is the church. You know the church is referred to with female gender. If you read the rest of the scripture you'll see it fits in with that profile and not that of Mary's.

Okay, let me obey you and read "the rest" of the Scripture.

Rev 12: 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

So is it the Church that gave birth to Jesus Christ?

mollie12: There is no real justification for the Roman catholic doctrines in scripture, that is, if you read the bible the right side up.

I will believe this only if you can prove it to me. Can you read Rev 12:5 "right side up" and tell me if the woman that gave birth to the male child - JESUS - is the Church?

^^^ And was she referred to as the 'Queen of Heaven'? That title was known in the bible to refer to a pagan goddess, why would the catholic pope give mary such title knowing very well that it has pagan origin? Will a Christian be given a pagan or muslim name?

Scripture says :

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

seriallink: ^^^ And was she referred to as the 'Queen of Heaven'?

Who are you asking about?

Is it the WOMAN that appeared in HEAVEN with a CROWN of twelve stars on her head?

italo:

Who are you asking about?

Is it the WOMAN that appeared in HEAVEN with a CROWN of twelve stars on her head?

Brah, you err again, that's a symbolic message! I'm coming back to edify you!

Symbolic of what?

italo:

Okay, let me obey you and read "the rest" of the Scripture.

Rev 12: 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

So is it the Church that gave birth to Jesus Christ?



I will believe this only if you can prove it to me. Can you read Rev 12:5 "right side up" and tell me if the woman that gave birth to the male child - JESUS - is the Church?

the woman is Yahweh's heavenly organization from where the baby came from.

seriallink: ^^^ And was she referred to as the 'Queen of Heaven'? That title was known in the bible to refer to a pagan goddess, why would the catholic pope give mary such title knowing very well that it has pagan origin? Will a Christian be given a pagan or muslim name?

Scripture says :

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

the woman is not mary.

This thread still dey? Una weldone o.