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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 1:13pm On Jan 09, 2013
ignis:
Its just like saying that a medical doctor can still be called a nurse.
Boy, if you actually did your homework well, you will know that there is a clear difference between an Enginner and a Technician.
if i may ask what is the work of an electrical engineer and that of a technician
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by fkaz(m): 1:17pm On Jan 09, 2013
diehard1: Don't understand why technicians and Engineers are being compared. They have different job descriptions. Its just like comparing an medical doctor and a herbalist! angry
Yes, medical doctor and herbalist. Different description, both working towards the same cure

Experience matter alot

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Seeeeeeee: 1:17pm On Jan 09, 2013
vizboy: if you are a good Electrical engineer that knows his work both practically and theory he can still called a technician i see no difference btw those two word as an electrical engineering student
there is a difference if u are a student know that we have cadres in engineering let me enlighten u we have artisans, technicians,technologists and Engineers. Which school are u?
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 1:22pm On Jan 09, 2013
Seeeeeeee: there is a difference if u are a student know that we have cadres in engineering let me enlighten u we have artisans, technicians,technologists and Engineers. Which school are u?
and who are the technicians if i may ask and who is an electrical engineer
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by king100(m): 1:22pm On Jan 09, 2013
1.Engineers rely more on the theories of their sciences while technicians focus more on its practical application.
2.Engineers are the problem solvers while technicians are the actual doers.
3.Although not applicable to all situations, the engineers are those who have obtained a degree which often requires a four-year course while technicians only need a shorter diploma course and additional training.
4.Because of the level of education, engineers are often better paid than technicians.
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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by ukpaku: 1:24pm On Jan 09, 2013
Thorpe85: One of d problem we have in dis country is dat we dnt tell ourselves d truth, we believe dat since we have Bsc or HND we are better dan dis technicians. All wat i know today as an engineer, i paid thru my nose to know dem after graduation. Most of the time our heads are filled with theories of laplace transform,integration by part, variation of parameters, electronics 1- 4,control engineering etc but au many of us university graduates can boldly say dat if we are put side by side wit a technical college graduate to to perform a practical dat we will be able to stand dem? I've seen dis people work before, d truth is dat dey are better dan most us graduate in pratical aspect which is wat people giving out dis job cares abt. Even our lecturers give their works to dis people. So wat do u expect?
Thread klose abeg. 10000 likes
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by achi4u(m): 1:24pm On Jan 09, 2013
Let me also add this!

How many fresh graduate engineers who can pieces(or open) a tractor or caterpillar in order to repair it?
Same thing applied in electrical,since most of what they are taught were in theory...in this case,both the 'novice' technician(as someone above rightly called them) and the engineer are at the same category.

One is educated novice(the engineer)
while the later is illitreate expert(the technician)grin

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by OROZ(m): 1:25pm On Jan 09, 2013
true talk, its not all about the theory things anymore, when faced with the real work u now fool around, ur experience thats what counts for you even when u go for an interview, omor no kill urself go learn work add to ur degree, sky go be ur limit.
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by redsun(m): 1:28pm On Jan 09, 2013
vizboy: if i may ask what is the work of an electrical engineer and that of a technician


I bet the work of electrical engineers in nigeria is just to copy oyinbo written testbooks and write notes,while the technicians put them into prcatice.In the case of mechanical,the road side mechanics do the practical,intelligent and dirty works,while oga engineer wouldnt want to leave the comfort of his airconditioned office to stain his hands and suits.And in most cases does not even understand his basic tools.

Most of those julius berger "expatraites" are handymen/women and trained technicians,no where near universities,but they control and instruct qualified engineers who runs around like errand boys in nigeria.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Seeeeeeee: 1:29pm On Jan 09, 2013
vizboy: and who are the technicians if i may ask and who is an electrical engineer
u said are an engineering student that's ur term paper write not less than 1000 pages n submit here for marking
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 1:29pm On Jan 09, 2013
king100: 1.Engineers rely more on the theories of their sciences while technicians focus more on its practical application.
2.Engineers are the problem solvers while technicians are the actual doers.
3.Although not applicable to all situations, the engineers are those who have obtained a degree which often requires a four-year course while technicians only need a shorter diploma course and additional training.
4.Because of the level of education, engineers are often better paid than technicians.
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Here is the truth if you want take it to heart.
If you were studying electrical engineering you would have know that electrical engineering is divided into 2 sects
*technical sect: which deals with the technical parts like your tv and radios.cause it mosts deals on electronics
why the
*power sect: deals with power like the generation of light

but they are both electrical engineer in different format

get more info here
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_engineering
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jan 09, 2013
Make I see that Technician wey go come whine mouth for Petroleum and Gas Engineering and her Babies (Reservoir, Drilling and Production)

Because you (Technician) fit handle spanner to loosen screws and bolts from flanges, you think say you fit drag coat with ur Master?

Oya come Estimate the Stock Tank Oil Initially in Place (STOIIP) grin

If an artisan or person wey do one yeye diploma fit do small of Mechanical, Civil and Electrical

Make I see that Technician wey go come try am with Oil and Gas Production/Process Systems...by the time pressure build up for system... Na (((((Boom)))) go callam to order

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 1:41pm On Jan 09, 2013
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Thorpe85(f): 1:42pm On Jan 09, 2013
TroGunn:

Those theories is why the engineered devices or equipment work - that knowledge is key for an engineer or designer. Having a good grasp of the theoretical basis allows an Engineer to design/redesign/invent/reinvent. Don't scorn theories - they are the source. Granted the practical operation of the equipment might be handled by a technician, but an engineer can grasp that too if need be, perhaps easily given his theoretical knowledge.


dnt get me wrong, theories are good but dnt u think its unheard off if dre is a faulty machine and a guy who doesn't know d theory can dismantle it,repair and couple it back without knowing the real name of some of d parts whereas we cant do it? [color=#006600][/color][quote]
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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Greatken007(m): 1:42pm On Jan 09, 2013
This is the trend....Craftman---Technician(ND holders)---Technologist(HND holder)---Engineer(either an HND+pgd or BSC) with COREN certification,those companies ar asking for technicians cus dat is wat dey need at that particular time,if u ar jealous u can register with NISET(Nigerian society of Engineering Technician),Technicians and Engr no be mate na pls dont compare them,Engr supervises technologist and technicians work under d technologist
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by honeric01(m): 1:44pm On Jan 09, 2013
TroGunn:

Those theories is why the engineered devices or equipment work - that knowledge is key for an engineer or designer. Having a good grasp of the theoretical basis allows an Engineer to design/redesign/invent/reinvent. Don't scorn theories - they are the source. Granted the practical operation of the equipment might be handled by a technician, but an engineer can grasp that too if need be, perhaps easily given his theoretical knowledge.

Engineers and technicians have their vital roles to play.

With all the knowledge, what exactly have you engineers invented in Nigeria? oh excuses, that's what you guys invented.

A farmer in a village in China was able to invent a car from his savings for 40 years, wetin una don invent? noise and excuses!
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by tayejay(m): 1:45pm On Jan 09, 2013
jechona: Guys please I want you to help me analyse my observations and tell me if technicians are better than engineers in Nigeria.

I have observed that theses days, majority of the contracts and small jobs are being given to technicians and rather than engineers. Some people come up with arguements that engineers are expensive, or are not experts, etc. Even in the ministries of works you will find less than a handfull of engineers, the rest are technicains and OND holders occupying positions that are meant for engineers, and as a result of this, most times when we have problems.

Engineers needs to come out and fight for their rights, we can't find any because we don't have the correct people on those seats. This has given birth to engineers suffering from lack of jobs and even those with jobs are being maltreated and underpaid.

Guys, do you know the sucking part of it all?

This evil is being done by older engineers who do not want to upgrade their knowledge and are afraid of loosing their positions to young and vibrant engineers. It now makes the situation look as if we don't have engineers in Nigeria or they are not capable.

Thank you.
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U are on point. Technicians and Engineers hav their clear lines of responsibilities. Normally, technicians are supervised by engineers who possess the general knowledge of d pursued goals or objectives of a task. An un supervised technician may hav d wrk done but incur other damages that may b more costly. I agree with u on the opinion of the older generation of engineers killing the profession, otherwise 2day engineers should hold their solid un-compromised ground in the structural dev. Of d country.
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by achi4u(m): 1:46pm On Jan 09, 2013
redsun:


I bet the work of electrical engineers in nigeria is just to copy oyinbo written testbooks and write notes,while the technicians put them into prcatice.In the case of mechanical,the road side mechanics do the practical,intelligent and dirty works,while oga engineer wouldnt want to leave the comfort of his airconditioned office to stain his hands and suits.And in most cases does not even understand his basic tools.

Most of those julius berger "expatraites" are handymen/women and trained technicians,no where near universities,but they control and instruct qualified engineers who runs around like errand boys in nigeria.
Case closed.
Thats nigerian factor for you.

In Chinese or Indian nations they give more room for practical and technical aspect of it.
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 1:48pm On Jan 09, 2013
Na for naija we turn the word technician to another thing
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Nobody: 1:56pm On Jan 09, 2013
engrtee: The problem is that there is no room for enginers to work. Most of d work is actualy technician work.e.g::
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mechanical engineers design new machines and cars. In nigeria, there is no toyota, volvo and car company in nigeria. What we have is importation and exportation. In PAN, PEAUGEOT,u will find mechanical engineers there. The engineers have to settle for supervising technicians.::
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hmmm, very good post. Multinationals and big Engineering firms in Nigeria don't need engineers. Their products are designed and built by engineers in their home countries. All they do in Nigeria is to sell those products.

Most of the jobs available are usually for technicians and technologist. The country is seriously lacking in the skills that technologists and technicians would provide, that's why the Nigeria heavy engineering industry is flooded with philipinos, Chinese, Malaysians e.t.c

Then, in most engineering firm, even in developed countries, It's a norm to employ just one experienced engineer to manage about 50 tech. So for every 2engineers employed, about 100 tech are employed.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by achi4u(m): 1:57pm On Jan 09, 2013
honeric01:

With all the knowledge, what exactly have you engineers invented in Nigeria? oh excuses, that's what you guys invented.

A farmer in a village in China was able to invent a car from his savings for 40 years, wetin una don invent? noise and excuses!
NOTHING! nothing even a PVC ceiling or a rechargable laterngringrin
and portharcutboy was busy measuring the number of fuel in a TEXACO oil tankgrin

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by texazzpete(m): 2:02pm On Jan 09, 2013
redsun:


I bet the work of electrical engineers in nigeria is just to copy oyinbo written testbooks and write notes,while the technicians put them into prcatice.In the case of mechanical,the road side mechanics do the practical,intelligent and dirty works,while oga engineer wouldnt want to leave the comfort of his airconditioned office to stain his hands and suits.And in most cases does not even understand his basic tools.

Most of those julius berger "expatraites" are handymen/women and trained technicians,no where near universities,but they control and instruct qualified engineers who runs around like errand boys in nigeria.

I've seen this kind of m0r0nic logic from the likes of market women...I sure didn't expect it to come from you.
The people who design the engines your roadside mechanic can only repair are Engineers. The innovators, the inventors, the chip designers...those are largely engineers. 90% of the Engineers at NASA will not be able to repair some of the refrigerators those roadside 'electricians' can repair. In your stunted mind, the roadside guy naim be the 'engineer'.

If we are truly to develop as a nation and not remain as repairers of 5 year old Sony CRT TVs, Engineers are required as creators and designers.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by honeric01(m): 2:05pm On Jan 09, 2013
achi4u: NOTHING! nothing even a PVC ceiling or a rechargable laterngringrin
and portharcutboy was busy measuring the number of fuel in a TEXACO oil tankgrin

LOL grin
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Hardfact: 2:09pm On Jan 09, 2013
. . .A twist of the Nigerian situation I guess.
. . .Engineers're atop all the same.

A sound engineer will always be better and above a sound technician.
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by vizboy(m): 2:12pm On Jan 09, 2013
Proud to call my self a technician. Afterall if i go sch finish them they call engineer but i no get work na the name go put food for my table.
NONSENSE
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by john365: 2:24pm On Jan 09, 2013
Thorpe85: One of d problem we have in dis country is dat we dnt tell ourselves d truth, we believe dat since we have Bsc or HND we are better dan dis technicians. All wat i know today as an engineer, i paid thru my nose to know dem after graduation. Most of the time our heads are filled with theories of laplace transform,integration by part, variation of parameters, electronics 1- 4,control engineering etc but au many of us university graduates can boldly say dat if we are put side by side wit a technical college graduate to to perform a practical dat we will be able to stand dem? I've seen dis people work before, d truth is dat dey are better dan most us graduate in pratical aspect which is wat people giving out dis job cares abt. Even our lecturers give their works to dis people. So wat do u expect?

what you are saying here is liking putting a mechanical engineer to fix a car. while a mechanic can easily fix a car and a mechanical engineer might not be able fix it, but still they are 2 different professions. while a mechanical engineer can design parts of a car or a complete car, a mechanic(Technician) can't but by way of experience he might be able to assemble the parts. the key word here is DESIGN. Engineers design stuff and attach a manual on how to make use of it and Technicians read the manuals and make use of the designed stuff, naturally Technicians cant explain how stuff works by first principle only by experience, technicians can't make innovations engineers design new stuff. These is why most engineers end up supervising technicians telling them to do these or that but might not be able to do it themselves.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by dulphines: 2:28pm On Jan 09, 2013
rman: Engineers and technicians play different roles.

A good engineer should be able to do and deliver properly the technical aspect of engineering jobs.

A good technician may not necessarily know/understand the engineering principles behind what they do.

Engineers come up with designs, carry out research, in some instances, develop releveant sofwares, etc.

Technicians are needed only for implemetation of what engineers have come up with.

A lot our engineers in Nigeria today are basically technicias because or university system is not research driven. Our engineers most times only implement, hence the reason technicians can do their jobs in Nigeria. In a few instances, we have engineers that do real engineering work. A few can be found in our oil and gas and telecoms sector.

You nailed it, THREAD CLOSED!
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by VALIDATOR: 2:32pm On Jan 09, 2013
It seems many people are mixing things up. Engineers' jobs are different from technicians' jobs. Engineers' jobs are available only in countries that produce technology products.Nigeria does not. Hence, engineering jobs are not available in Nigeria. Engineers employed in Nigerian companies actually do technician jobs. Of course technicians are better at doing their own jobs than Engineers.

To prove the foregoing right you will see that any Nigerian engineering graduate that will be employable will actually need to spend additional money after school to train himself as a technician.

Note:
The people who design new computers are engineers. They are not in Nigeria.
The people who bring dead or almost dead computers back to life are technicians.
What do Nigerian "computer engineers" do?

The people who design new airplanes are engineers. Those who bring dead or almost dead airplanes back to life are technicians.
What do Nigerian "aero.. engineers" do?
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by fdigital(m): 2:40pm On Jan 09, 2013
Insightful topic op...
They are of different job specialization though not too far from each other. Engineers solve
technical problems in research
and development,
manufacturing, sales,
construction, inspection, and
maintenance by using science
engineering and mathematical
principles. They technicians often assist
engineers and scientists on the aspect of field power and the
work of technicians
is more application oriented and
more limited in scope than that
of engineers.
But u see i so blame it on the failed state of our educational sector, most the so-called engrs parading themselves are nothing to ride home about. And this is part of the reason why, Nigeria. Africa is tech-innovatively aback.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by Wuse: 2:41pm On Jan 09, 2013
First of all i will like to inform you that in public service,Engineers and Technicians are in different cadre,and so what u c a technician is doing is not really the work of an Engineer.
Real practicing Engineers in nigeria i can tell u con compete with any in the world and i stand to be challenged.
The work of an Engineer is mainly to design,supervise the execution of the design,and monitor the performance of the design to ensure that,it meets the designed concept.
Apart from the design, Technologist can carry out all of the above functions of an Engineer.the technician is the charge with the maintenance of the system.the technician is not equipped with the technical know how on the operation of the system.The technician is the second to the last in the hierarchy of the Engineering profession,the craftsman been the last in the ladder.
But because our society is bedeviled with chronic ignorance and sometimes poverty,pple prefer to engage the technician rather than the Engineer for design(In fact the technician just assembles parts) at the ex pence of their lives,the lives of their client,the site workers and investments of vtheir client.For example the electrification of buildings etc.
Remember,one of the destinations of Engineering states that:Engineering is the CONSCIOUS APPLICATION of science to the problem of Economic production.
Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by manny4life(m): 2:47pm On Jan 09, 2013
texazzpete:

I've seen this kind of m0r0nic logic from the likes of market women...I sure didn't expect it to come from you.
The people who design the engines your roadside mechanic can only repair are Engineers. The innovators, the inventors, the chip designers...those are largely engineers. 90% of the Engineers at NASA will not be able to repair some of the refrigerators those roadside 'electricians' can repair. In your stunted mind, the roadside guy naim be the 'engineer'.

If we are truly to develop as a nation and not remain as repairers of 5 year old Sony CRT TVs, Engineers are required as creators and designers.



What engineer does know how to repair his own stuff? NASA engineers may not repair roadside refrigerators, I mean that isn't his line of work, but they sure know how to fix the engine of a space shuttle. IMO, I think engineers should engage in the realistic aspect of it. What's the use of an aerospace/aeronautical engineer designing an airplane if he can't fix it? Engineers should have technician skills as well. That is why when air accidents happen, Boeing dispatches their aeronautical engineers who literally put the plane together.

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Re: Are Technicians Better Than Engineers In Nigeria? by hakymbiyiyaho: 2:49pm On Jan 09, 2013
Well i wouldn't know if technician are all that bad or if engineer are expert in their various field but I as a Technician, i can understand the purpose of my work, the techniques behind its origination and how to make a research for more and conducive way of florish in the society. Technician varies on levels as well among which we have the school cert. holders,Ond,Ntc and co.Before you can become professioner you must have passed through some difficult trainings both practical and theory even alternative to practical as ppl do call it. If technicians all around the country decide to stop work today how many engineers will revive the falling companies.

If i can detect a fault with my experience and understanding and find a lasting solution, will you compare me with the engineer that will still carry his encylopaedia to trace the fault before things get done?

Is it not the engineers who are employed in the NEPA that kills our electricity today,book and money can not take us to anywhere we shuold at least make use of our skill, minister and commissioner for power in nigeria only knows how power is generated but do not know how to increase power or plan for future. Let the government employ technicians to that field and see the difference.

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