lacidi: Some of these people think that Nigeria is made up of fools. The rights being referred to here are the right to 'freedom to private family life' and 'freedom from discrimination'. I will take them one after the other:

1. Private Family Life - The right to private family life presupposes that you are LEGALLY living a family life. It does not mean that you can commit Bigamy and then claim that you have a right to family life. You also cannot marry a 10 year old and claim you have a right to family life. The definition of what amounts to 'family life' has to be derived from other laws of the country and case laws because the constitution does not define 'family life'.

So to define family life, we have to look at laws relating to marriage, child custody and divorce etc. Does the constitution define these laws? These laws are captured in the marriage act etc. So you do not need to amend the constitution, all you need to amend is the laws that define marriage and family.

The definition of family in one region differs from another region. For e.g. a Muslim in the north can marry 4 wives legally, but a Christian who marries under the marriage act cannot legally marry another wife while the 1st marriage is subsisting. Can he then sue to claim that his right to 'Private family life' has been breached if he is stopped from marrying additional wives?

2. Freedom from Discrimination - first of all we have to ask what discrimination is. The constitution mentions 'Discrimination on the basis of sex' and NOT on the basis of sex.ual preference. So the discrimination covered under the constitution is the one that deals with your natural sex i.e. man or woman. So if you are being discriminated against because you are a man or because you are a woman, then you have a right to sue under the constitution. The constitution does not cover discrimination due to SEX.UAL PREFERENCE.

E.g. when someone is arrested and jailed in the US for Incest, is he being discriminated against? Note that the Incest in question is between two adults - father & daughter, mother & son, son & daughter. Also when someone is arrested and jailed in US and Europe for Polygamy, is he being discriminated against? Note that Polygamy is between an adult man and 2 of more adult consenting females. Sex with animals is legal in Germany, but a crime in most other countries. So people that practice sex with animals in these other countries, can they sue for discrimination?

What of pedophiles who it has been scientifically established that they cannot control their desire to have sex with infants. These people are acting outside their control. So why are they being jailed? Is this discrimination?

So using the constitutional provision on discrimination as grounds is total rubbish.

I rest my case.

UncleJJ: Whats all this noise about... USA,UK and other European Countries have made same sex marraige part of their constitutions. Yet, Nigerian's still travel legally and illegally in drove to these countries "that support same sex marraige". F.c.K their daughters, drink their cool aid, beg them not to add us on the terrorist list.

We practically feed off these nations one way or the other - in other words we already support same sex marriage one way or the other.

So, lets quit all this moral lies and bullshit we tell ourselve's - religion this, africa that ... when we are dining with the devil. This same sex thing will happen.... wether like it or not.

Until we become truly independent and productive like China and her counter-parts until then

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lacidi:
No problem, so why is Incest and Polygamy a crime in US and western world. What is their business with what 2 or more consenting adults are doing in their private rooms. Can you explain the basis for arresting an adult father for sleeping with his adult working class daughter who has fully consented to the sex.

Also tell me why they are againt a man marrying 2 or more consenting females.

Please explain this.

Symphony007: you rest your case on baselessness. So in summary, according to your first point. The constitution allows child abuse whereby old men in the north marry female kids who are defenceless but when concerting adults decide to be gay, it is a criminal offence? The nigerian constitution is a bloody story book. I don't even belive the members of the national assembly know anything inside.

julius2825:
it starts from one place,then it gradually spreads,and get publicated,if you can't plea for it to stop now,you won't be able to stop your children from addicting to it,other peoples problem has to be your problem,because there problems could be conjured to the air,inwhich we all breath in

Giditinz: It's easy to write and talk about "right to private life" without giving much thought to it. The point is that the number three man of the country has come out publicly to the defend Nigeria and protect Nigerians from the false values projected by westerners - An issue that many have shyed away from. "Same-sex", don't bother putting "marriage" next to it cos it doesn't fit the picture, is anti-human, anti-life, anti-family, anti-procreation, anti-happiness. We are signatory to the African Charter on Human and Peoples Rights and also a member of the United Nations but that does not in any way translate to discriminating based on gender and sexual orientation when we pass laws that protect our cherished values. Perhaps we should start this discussion from our villages telling the elders and village heads about the need to give their sons and daughters to other same-sex partners in other to realise the gravity and appreciate tne sanctity and dignity of true marriage (man+woman). Their is nothing private about family life and the way it is lived that has no public bearing. Nigerians and Nairalanders, Please let's unite and protect our God given laws, written in our hearts and ordained in nature from eroding western influences. for more on subjects like this visit: http://mercatornet.com/

vanstanzy:

So if they end up in hell and u end up in Heaven, that's ok by u, right? Do u think God will commend u for allowing a fellow human being u could have helped, end up in hell. What they are doing is "TOTALLY" unacceptable. What does the Holy Bible say about allowing someone tow the wrong path. Clearly, these our brothers and sisters are "CONFUSED" don't u see that? For ur information, that free will u talk about leads to anarchy if not controlled. That's what we are now seeing around us.
Guy, please comment constructively.

seunajia:

Yada yada yada...you both are gay apologists. What do you know about human rights? Human rights my black bottom! Is the banning of possession and use cocaine, Marijuana and other hard drugs not infringing on the rights of people "who have the right to dictate to themselves the course of their lives."?

Crap. The same human rights that allows people gun down a whole school?

Yehoe! It is also my right that no dirty immoral gayster should offends my sensibilities!

This gay BS is not part of our ethos and pathos as Africans. You strive to become better not worse or derelict.

Na so e dey start, before you know it them go dey ask for gay president.

Smooyis: We need God's intervention, Not Law ammendment alone

Movingcoil: abeg watz ur point? Clearify it so dat I can know wat 2 tell U

gboss4sure: Thunda fire him mouth

nl.official:


Perhaps, when it involves your child, I'll like to see the look on your face and as well the action that will be taken by you.

djeezy: Your argument holds no water. Did we tell you we are gay? What an erroneous finding. We are not encouraging gay marriage but my point is that you have to respect free will. It is by choice you are where you are in life today. Did anyone meddle with your private life? Was sanction imposed on the fornications you have commited? The issue of homosexuality has existed since time immemorial. It is as old as life itself. So who gave you the tutelage to play God? If God who is the supreme gave man free will and volition, who are you, a common mortal to meddle with that free will? Only God can judge them, and I repeat if a man has chosen to go to hell, allow him to go to hell. All you can do is advice and preach to him convincing him why you don't want him to go to hell, not compelling him.

seunajia:

*Burps* Even Stevie Wonder can see you are an apologist

Leave Heroine smokers to God Leave Inbreeders to God too!

If God who is the supreme gave man free will and volition, who are you, a common mortal to meddle with that free will? Only God can judge cocaine and Heroine sniffers, and I repeat if a man has chosen to go to hell, allow him to go to hell.

Now we can all practice selective oversight, abi now?

abraj property: Its high time 4me to migrate to saudi arabia if this stupid bill is pass, I will forsake this nation. Cos I don't want to face the wrath of God.

50calibre: I don't know why there is still a debate about same-sex marriage in Nigeria, the law banning it should be passed immediately, gay marriage is repulsive, unnatural, evil, sinful and abominable.

In a religious country like Nigeria, there are some moral and religious standards that should always be upheld

personaldomest:



Nigeria is not a religious country. Religious laws should not be imposed. Religion Should be separated from the state. Your God tells you not to hate or judge but then gives you a selective group of people to hate on and judge. Y'all should mind your business cos the life style of an homosexual does not. Affect you

djeezy: Why don't you use force when converting people to christianity? Mtchew!!!!! You still don't get it. It should be for people to advice them to change not making it illegal and imposing sanctions. I'm a human rights/criminal lawyer for your info. So you think if you put them behind bars or sentence them to death(capital punishment), God will applaud you for doing moral cleansing? Bullsh.it. Leave them for God to Judge. Why don't you make fornication illegal? Of course they won't because it conflicts with their interests.

Human rights liar, oops sorry! i meant lawyer! Lasttime i read my post, i didn't make mention of jailing, using force to convert or sentencing them to death. All u lawyers just like putting words into peoples mouth and mind. Gays are human beings and need correcting cos clearly they are confused. U clearly don't know what the Holy Bible says about correcting people around u that are erring. Why do u think i asked u the question on what the Bible says? Go back to my post and answer the question. What da hell, don't bother answering, just read it again. Lawyers sha

vanstanzy:

Human rights liar, oops sorry! i meant lawyer! Lasttime i read my post, i didn't make mention of jailing, using force to convert or sentencing them to death.

djeezy: You forgot to add liars, adulterers(not a crime in the south),fornicators, self servicing inter alia. Legislate those ones na?illegalise masturbat.tion, is it not free will used in doing it? Are they not sins too? Let's see who remains on earth.

seunajia:

It is not this same rights crap that made fornication et al widespread? Bastards popping up everywhere.

Dude quit it. Your post above alludes to my point. You're asking us to embrace anarchy because people have "rights".

KenGali: I think the so called advocate is mixing issues. The proposed law does not criminalise homosexuality, what it criminalises is definition of homosexual marriage and publicization of homosexuality. These are not private but public activities.

Marriage is defined by the state not an individual, because the state grants you rights of exclusivity to your marriage partner. This includes property ownership and parenting rights. There is nothing private about it, except sex.
As long as sex outside marriage has not been criminalised, homosexuality has not been criminalised.

As long as sexual content can be censored in public places, publicization of homosexual just like in bars, restaurants and other public places can also be censored or criminalised, same as owning brothels.

An individual can still be homosexual in his house or practice beastiality but should not come announcing that to us or ask Us to marry him to a chicken just because he feels like it. But he sure can live and have sex with chickens and goats without concerning the public.

KenGali: I think the so called advocate is mixing issues. The proposed law does not criminalise homosexuality, what it criminalises is definition of homosexual marriage and publicization of homosexuality. These are not private but public activities.

Marriage is defined by the state not an individual, because the state grants you rights of exclusivity to your marriage partner. This includes property ownership and parenting rights. There is nothing private about it, except sex.
As long as sex outside marriage has not been criminalised, homosexuality has not been criminalised.

As long as sexual content can be censored in public places, publicization of homosexual just like in bars, restaurants and other public places can also be censored or criminalised, same as owning brothels.

An individual can still be homosexual in his house or practice beastiality but should not come announcing that to us or ask Us to marry him to a chicken just because he feels like it. But he sure can live and have sex with chickens and goats without concerning the public.

andrewza:

Iam not a lawer but even I can say that is what you proposing. By deffending this law uou agree with it.