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Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 12:33pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
There is nothing like liberty to obey a command. That's a contradiction. You are under no liberty to ignore commands Paying an externally determined fraction is not GIVING. That's why you pay taxes. One asalimpo called tithes taxes. We are trying as much as possible to liberate Gentiles from the legalistic yoke of tithing imposed on them. In the first century, they contended with circumcision. Today it is tithing. Note, if a Gentile of their own volition opted to undergo circumcision nobody would prevent them. The error was the Jews made it mandatory. Holy Spirit called it a burden. We see them every time. Some are bound by the Sabbath commandment. Others won't shake your hands. They are 'happily' following Moses. Christ has liberated us from the Law and only requires of us that we purpose in our hearts what to give and this without compulsion. The same Spirit of Christ who convicts you of sin and righteous life is to guide us on what to give. Tithing brigade are terribly scared that the Spirit would NEVER convince anybody to give, so they create commandments with terrible penalties and utopia to prompt giving. Now, Matthew 23:23 (KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone Which part of this scripture tells you to tithe? Please walk me through it Image123: 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Candour(m): 12:37pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Image123: You know you're my friend .....your posts are the only ones that now interest me on this thread after all I've done here in time past |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:42pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Candour: i like the colours. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Candour(m): 12:45pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Image123: I half hoped you'll do |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 1:01pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
vooks: Try to stay focused on me and you, or at least the Bible you and i. It is not a must for you to tithe, this is not the first time i am saying that. If you have a problem with that view, find someone else to discuss the tithes with, not me. i have never been under bondage or needed liberty from giving a token 10%. Jesus gave me all the liberty i needed and that settled it for me, no addition. We have purposed in our hearts to tithe. Wash your face and check the passage i quoted again. Pride is a major issue with many of you. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 2:17pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Swimming and drowning in ambiguity and vagueness. Is tithing a command? Image123: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 2:28pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
vooks: Is prayer a command? Was Abraham commanded to tithe? 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 3:12pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Prayer is a command. He was not commanded to tithe. Image123: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 4:57pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
vooks: How did he tithe then if tithing is a command? 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 5:14pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Image123: He tithed based on the customs of his people. Tithing was a very common pagan practise amongst the ancient mesopotamians and egyptians. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:39pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
chillykelly86: If you are asking for where the bolded sentence is written in the Bible you will not find it just as you will not find words like "trinity", "rapture" or "grandfather" in the authorised version of the Bible but the concept is clearly there. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:43pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Image123: Good question. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by FortresOfChrist(f): 5:43pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Please, where is the "concept" of tithing "through the church" to God. I don't mind to learn where that is. 3 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:45pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
vooks: Are you under the law to pray? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:49pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
FortresOfChrist: Learn from Abraham who tithed to Melchisedec to his children who now tithes to Jesus Christ the High Priest after the order of Melchisedec. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 6:23pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Where in the Bible is the concept that tithes are given to the Church? Book? Chapter? Verse? Where is there the remotest suggestion that tithes were given to the Church? 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:28pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: For the sake of not sounding like a broken record, I'll suggest that you peruse the article on this website: http://ccihk.com/tithing-in-the-new-covenant |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 6:29pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:that doesn't even suggest tithing to a Church. There was no Church present in Abram's day. And the very fact that the Church was in existence for forty-one years while tithes still belonged to the Levites disproves your theory. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by FortresOfChrist(f): 6:30pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Sir you answered to a question saying tithe can be paid to God through the church. I asked where was that taught in the Holy Bible. You said I learn from Abraham. Sir, did Abraham paid tithe to God THROUGH the church? What church was established in the days of Abraham? If you can throw more light please sir. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:33pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: It's either you choose not to read or couldn't read the link I posted earlier. I'll give you no excuse by posting it here:
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Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:35pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
FortresOfChrist: The article I posted above will do justice to your questions. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 6:54pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Luke 18:1 (ESV) 1 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart Mark 14:38 (ESV) 38 Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. 1 Thes 5:17 (ESV) 17 pray without ceasing, these are not commands, Holy Spirit was kidding, the funniest person of the Godhead OLAADEGBU: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 6:58pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:the article is flawed. 1. The Bible does not say Melchizedek was the High Priest of God... only that he was a Priest. 2. Melchizedek was not Jesus Christ. Hebrews 7 says he was "made like unto the Son of God", not that he was the Son of God. "Like unto" does not mean "is". 3. The Bible does not say that Abram gave tithes when he realized Melchizedek was Jesus Christ. The author has imposed untruths upon the actual account in an attemp to deceive the readers. 4. No, there is no indication that Melchizedek was a Fourth part of the Trinity. Without father, mother, beginning or end of days simply alludes to the fact that we have no genealogical records to tell when he was born or died or who his parents actually were. the Early Church was not taught to tithe in any of the epistles. God did not see it as necessary. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 7:00pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
He picked the amount,the time and the place to do it. Nobody asked him to. Neither did nobody aks Jacob to. In fact, that he conditionally offered to tithe tells you tithing was not a practice. Next question Image123: 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:16pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Just because Melchizedek's name meant "king of righteousness" does not necessitate him being the Lord Jesus Christ. For instance, in Joshua 10, we find a character named Adonizedek, which means "lord of righteousness". Adonizedek was a king in Jerusalem. hmmm, ... "city of peace" at the time that Joshua and Gideon entered and conquered Canaan. Adonizedek and four other kings fought against Joshua and Gideon. The five kings were shut up in a cave, later brought out of the cave and hanged. The point being, that names did not necessarily describe who the person was. Just because Melchizedek's name means king of righteousness does not mean he was a righteous king. Yes, he was a Priest of the Most High God. But so were Aaron's sons. And we all know what happened to two of his sons Abihu and Nadab. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by FortresOfChrist(f): 7:19pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Okay sir I will read through and get back to you sir. Thanks |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by chillykelly86(m): 9:03pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Matthew 23:23 (KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Phariseesyoy, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone @image123 From the words of Christ in the passage above:- 1. Do you believe tithe is a "matter of the law"? 2. Do you believe Christians are not bound by the law? This is pretty straight-forward. I am sure some people will actually have stoned adulterous women, arguing that they have "defiled the temple of the Holy Spirit" if not for the specific encounter between Jesus and one such woman. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:41pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Your objection #1 bolded above shows how you just contradicted yourself. You say that the Bible does not say Melchisedec was the High Priest of God and moments later your post below says that he is. Make up your mind, young man! MarkMiwerds: Confusion.com |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 10:18pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:olaadegbu, read my post slowly. I did not say Melchizedek was High Priest. I said he was a Priest. You bring the confusion on yourself. I have not said anything confusing. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 10:19pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Tithers and Tithe collectors lying since AD 30 ! "But the cowardly,...... and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." - Revelation 21:8 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 6:42am On Nov 30, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds:You did. Jesus is the High priest after the "order of Melchizedek" just like we have high priest after the "Aaronic order" in the OT. To allude Melchizedek was a priest is dishonest and does not stand the authenticity of scripture. The priesthood is not dead, it lives forever. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 8:36am On Nov 30, 2014 |
The Bible only identifies Melchizedek as a Priest... not as a High Priest. Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the Priest of the Most High God. "After the order of" does not mean Melchizedek was a High Priest. There was an order of Priests that Melchizedek was in. Jesus was the High Priest of that Order. |
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