@Cgift

Do you care to know that the bible[b] is a book of prophecy and that very many of its prophecy have been fulfilled.[/b] The old testaments talks about the coming, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. This was fulfilled in the new Testament no doubt.

Good, set the ball rolling and I will surely come in and you should be prepared to answer some unfulfilled prophecies put in Jesus' mouth.

Please let us start with the prophecy of his coming, crucifixion and resurrection


Thanks

@May Kelly

Ok. That's fine. Now what do you want us to talk about lets tackle it one by one. I don't really get your own questions from these verses you mention. You can tell me what exactly you want us to discuss about, but make it a very short sentence - am waiting; or choose from below:

Is is that Jesus is the son of God
OR that Jesus is the Messiah of the Whole world
OR Jesus is GOD
OR what?

I will appreciate it if we can discuss Jesus being the saviour of the whole world. There is already a thread on trinity, so there wouldnt be any need diverting thread. So I looking forward to receiving verses where Jesus happens to be saviour of the whole world?

In addition, Witness (sysuser) can be your friend in accomplishing your goal in spreading what you would never be able to defend as we proceed. So set the ball rolling on the topic 'Was Jesus sent to the whole world and as we proceed, you should be prepared for some questions on that. You know that I didnt want to go into all these but you made me to and you should be up to the task and no running away

@MayKelly

@Samba, you lack WISDOM. THE BIBLE says "in all getting, get Wisdom. That Wisdom is the Principal thing"
let it be known to you that [b]"JESUS CHRIST CHILDREN WILL NEVER SIT AT THE SAME HEAVEN WITH THE ISAH PEOPLE. JESUS children will definetly sit at the upper upper heaven While you will sit at the LOWER HEAVEN our footstool.

Don’t say it to me think about yourself you lack knowledge/wisdom and intellect for Believing The Bible which are many defect of inside passage. While you can’t figure it out for a 2000 years the controversies exist and never changed/corrected, but instead of correcting the mistake they changed words and adding words which make them more vulnerable and confused. If your teacher thought you to read and write if you commit a mistake he will spot that mistake and comeout to a right one. But your Bible still sleeping until now without any correction at all for those controversies exist long long time ago before you came out.

So which way is it and how do you know your belief is the correct one? I see another May Kelly struggle to this?

@joshjosh

NO WARS, NO PAINS OR TEARS IN HEAVEN.

ok

DO YOU WANT TO GET THERE?

Everybody are striving for that no reason to argue

JESUS IS THE WAY AND ONLY PASSPORT YOU NEED.

Therefore you need passport going to your heaven? Well our is free passport the only thing you bring is Prayer.

OKAY YOU MAY WANT YOUR HYMN BOOKS, CANDLES, HOLY WATER AND SOME GOOD WORKS ALONG
YOU DONT NEED THEM THERE

Our is no need of candles and holy water but prayer is the best passages you can bring lol

DO YOU STILL WANT TO GO THERE?

Well, if you pass the examination given to you then that is all your reward.

TELL JESUS YOU WANT A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM TODAY

.

No need to tell Jesus (as) because his is not in charge for that position as mediator only the Creator Almighty God is the arbiter.

@samba123, babs787, olabowale,

Off course a m.u.s.l.i.m ( sons of belial) would not be found in Heaven, so there is no need for you to fret and be obstinate about Heaven,

Your heaven seem to be a tag of war between Angel and Devil. Why a perfect place become a devastating home of the believer if it is there a war? Just figure it out lol.

Nonethless, your logic about Heaven only goes to show the shallowness of your understanding and reasoning. Your logic is that same thing as asking the question that:

1. why did God create a man that can sin

God created human being to worship him not to commit sin. There is guidance to believe in ONE God but instead you believe in the trinity of Gods.

2. why did God not create robots that could not and never would be able to sin,

He give you all the free will to do every thing in your life no need to become a robotic teaching, need to dictates every individual person.

3. why did God create Lucifer in the first place

God can’t complete if there is not trial among the people in this Earth. That is why you should pass the test and disregard the devil works.

Your kind of logic makes sense when one considers that A, LLAH promises you people willing and robotic virgins that are only there for your sexual needs, virgins that continue to have their virginity replenished even after you have had sex with them,

Robotic virgin that a new stuff lol. I don’t know were those ideas came from. And kindly read this VERSE in the Bible it talk about virgin for you also lol. In Matthew 25:1 Jesus says: "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom." Witness you should increase you preaching 10 more virgins are waiting in you now.

1. One thing that the bible clearly shows is that God created everything perfect,

But the Bibles are more mystify error people are questioning about this for a long time ago until now.

2. Also God gave Men the ability to choose, (freedom of choice), (Something that Alllah does not like and cannot comprehend)

You have freedom to choose which fitted to the eyes of Al’lah not to the wrong side of it that most of you prepare to commit. You disobey the teaching of the prophet to believe in One God not in the Trinity doctrine which can’t be found in the bibles.

3. Lucifer choose to sin

Just think there also bad among good people. Bad people divided into two the Good Bad and Bad Bad.

4. Man choose to sin

Freedom of choice lol

5. The other 1/3 of all Angels in heaven also choose to follow Lucifer into sin,

No proven article regarding this? Can you explain it further in a good citation please.

@mayKelly

Oh! You Hypocrites, and harisees, go and ask the rich man in the Bible and lazarus, Oh! You people of the days of NOAh, go and ask the perished people in those days, Oh! Samba go and ask the people of SODOM AND GOMORAH.

So tell me, Who are you? Only but a merry dust.

Whether you accept it or not = THESE WORDS YOU HAVE READ IN THIS THREAD SHALL JUDGE YOU IN THE LAST DAY, so Boy read below:

Then give me a nice explanation regarding repentance? Do you think that children need to repent for their Sin? Do you think that the deaf people need to raise their voice to repent? Ooh my dear May Kelly you have a lot of assignment to do now.

@May Kelly:

Off course a m.u.s.l.i.m ( sons of belial) would not be found in Heaven, so there is no need for you to fret and be obstinate about Heaven,

My father was Hamzah Pakulpa of Ijebu Ode. I never heard anyone called him Belial. May kelly, my Dad (ra) has been dead long time. Where is your Belial? And Belial can not enter makka, where my father was buried.

Stop to think of it: there are 7 heavens. Which one are you going to be found? And so that you know none of them is Paradise! In the words of Gene Wilder in the "Frisco kid" flick, you take the heavens and Mu/s/lim will take Paradise.

olabowale:

@May Kelly: My father was Hamzah Pakulpa of Ijebu Ode. I never heard anyone called him Belial. May kelly, my Dad (ra) has been dead long time. Where is your Belial? And Belial can not enter makka, where my father was buried.

Stop to think of it: there are 7 heavens. Which one are you going to be found? And so that you know none of them is Paradise! In the words of Gene Wilder in the "Frisco kid" flick, you take the heavens and Mu/s/lim will take Paradise.

@olabowale, i don't understand you here, first the post which is pasted wasn't my post. i never said or called someone Belial, infact all you said was strange to me. I never said we have 7 heavens so why this judgement " judge not so that you will not be judged ok."

samba123:

@mayKelly

Then give me a nice explanation regarding repentance? Do you think that children need to repent for their Sin? Do you think that the deaf people need to raise their voice to repent? Ooh my dear May Kelly you have a lot of assignment to do now.

CHRIST said unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. That is to be born of water and Spirit.

May kelly:

CHRIST said unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. That is to be born of water and Spirit.

As a child you can not see the kingdom of God cos they are not born again. Please explain make i understand better.

MC Usman:

As a child you can not see the kingdom of God because they are not born again. Please explain make i understand better.

Am going out for a program right now,truly you need to be tutored. I shall do that tomorrow.

@MC Usman,
In Mark chapter 10
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.

14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me,
and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

MC Usman:

As a child you can not see the kingdom of God because they are not born again. Please explain make i understand better.

No, as a child you will see the kingdom of GOD. A child i am talking about here are those when they see fire burning they would want to touch it thinking it could be touched, that is they don't know evil or good; just as when God our Father created ADAM & EVE and they were both naked but unknown to them, they neither know evil nor good, is just the same way that GOD guides children's knowledge and understanding.

You know MC-Usman, when you teach a child to do this and not to do that, you are doing that simply to bring up that child in a good way; but the child does not know the consequences of good and bad until he/she is of age when he/she will understand the difference between good and bad, and also understand the creator.

When a child is of age and fully understand that He/She is created by God, then there will be call for Repentance- simply put "to Be BORN AGAIN" according to the Son Of GOD CHRIST JESUS. "except a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of GOD"

So being Born again is expected when you are of age knowing GOOD from EVIL. Being BORN AGAIN simply means turning away from Evil totally and accept CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND UR SAVIOUR WHO DIE FOR YOUR SINS.
Therefore you need not to sacrifice a lamb, goat, chicken etc as our father Abraham did for the washing of sins.

All you need to do is to pray a sincere prayer, of course we know that GOD sees the heart of a Man. If one confesses to be a born again and He/She is not Genuine "CHRIST SAID "BY THEIR FRIUT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM" so is left for GOD WHO SEES IN SECRET TO FISH OUT THE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD.

Thank you.

@May Kelly:

When a child is of age and fully understand that He/She is created by God, then there will be call for Repentance- simply put "to Be BORN AGAIN" according to the Son Of GOD CHRIST JESUS. "except a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of GOD"

What is that age? And those who died before Jesus, what happens to them, in the day of Judge,? Please note that the statement that you quoted, supposedly made by Jesus covers all times; before during and after him. So I asked you about the people before him; what is their faith? We did not hear or read about Adam making any blood sacrifice. How will he be saved since he was not born again. Come to thing of it, Adam was never born. And so was Eve. What happened to these people who never were born and never were born again and never made blood sacrifice? How would Ibrahim, who God called His friend but never was born again escape ire? How would Noah who by his prayer God wiped out generation be saved? How will Moses who heard God voice directly be saved, since he was nt born again?

How will John and his father Zachariah be saved, since we did not read about them being of people who made blood sarifices and never were born again? But ironically, it was John in the Bible who baptised Jesus! Whats the condition of John in this case? Will the baptiser of Jesus go to hellfire? Think hard before you respond. For me, if baptism is what qualified a man for paradise, John has more leverage and authority than Jesus.

So being Born again is expected when you are of age knowing GOOD from EVIL. Being BORN AGAIN simply means turning away from Evil totally and accept CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND UR SAVIOUR WHO DIE FOR YOUR SINS.
Therefore you need not to sacrifice a lamb, goat, chicken etc as our father Abraham did for the washing of sins.

Your sonship claim is more mythical than reality. From Adam, all the way to John and his father, none claimed that God has a son who the Children of Israel nations/world should be expecting. Jesus himself did not declare himself in such a manner or title. The Christians had to let him be lifted up before such concortment of fallacy. ake sure you remember that the lifting up of Jesus was not by the power of Jesus. He had none, but rather by the mighty power f God the Almighty.

All you need to do is to pray a sincere prayer, of course we know that GOD sees the heart of a Man. If one confesses to be a born again and He/She is not Genuine "CHRIST SAID "BY THEIR FRIUT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM" so is left for GOD WHO SEES IN SECRET TO FISH OUT THE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD.

The reality is that only God Almighty knows who is worshipping Him. But God has laid down the process of worship and the laws to follow, in the books given to the prophets. THose who lived in the time of Moses were not governed by Jesus and what he brought. And they were not aware of Jesus. Those who lived in the time of Jesus were no longer governed by Moses and what he brought, except what are carry- overs to Jesus rulings, etc. Of course, these people in time of Jesus were aware of Moses.

Finally we who are now living in the time of Mu/h/m/mmad, even though are aware of all of these mighty past prophets and messengers are not governed by them. Though these men brought great message and laws, we are governed by the same message, but uptodate final laws and commandments given to M/u/h/mmad alone. The laws and commandments of all of them before M/u/haa/mad were invalid and nullified with clear abrogations in the Qu/r'/n and Hadith/Sunnah. Unless they were carry overs, no one should observe the old ad abandoned laws.

For example the Jews do not eat beef and drink milk in the same meal. But if you are an ethnic Jew, and became a mu/sli/m, you can eat beef and drink milk, both in one meal. The Jews do not eat hindquarter or leg of animal. If you are a mu/s/lim, its all good eating.

The celebration of passover which the Jews and Christians observe, is not existing in I/sl/am. All of these are pure liberation from old culture and rituals. I/s/lam cancelled al of them. But the prophets are in the memories and are prophets of I/sl/am. Afterall, Jesus was never a christian, now a starter of any religion. Jesus was from the nations of the children of Israel. You call them Jews. But Jesus did not practiced Judaism as a relgion, and neither did Moses. If they did, please tell me what sect were they?

@Kola Oloye:

In Mark chapter 10
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.

14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me,
and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

And even in the time of Jesus, the "no one comes to the father, " bit and " unless be born again, " bit did not work. It did not not apply to a section of the people; the children. There washed away your everyone must come through Jesus. If any of these children died, which was not unusual then and we see that children die now, the dead child would not have been born, and would not have believed in Jesus and would not need to go through Jesus to make Paradise. Sorry, you don't have paradise, you only have kingdom of heaven, aka heaven.

olabowale:


@May Kelly: What is that age? And those who died before Jesus, what happens to them, in the day of Judge,?

How will John and his father Zachariah be saved, since we did not read about them being of people who made blood sarifices and never were born again?

Your sonship claim is more mythical than reality. From Adam, all the way to John and his father, none claimed that God has a son who the Children of Israel nations/world should be expecting. Jesus himself did not declare himself in such a manner or title. The Christians had to let him be lifted up before such concortment of fallacy. ake sure you remember that the lifting up of Jesus was not by the power of Jesus. He had none, but rather by the mighty power f God the Almighty.

The reality is that only God Almighty knows who is worshipping Him. But God has laid down the process of worship and the laws to follow, in the books given to the prophets.

Dear olabowale,

QUESTION 1
What is that age?

When a child is of age knowing evil and good, that child will defintely commit something behind knowing fully well that if anyone should see him, he will be beaten. Take yourself as an example, you will remeber some of the things you use to do and you will be beaten when you are a child.

QUESTION 2
And those who died before Jesus, what happens to them, in the day of Judge

Those who died before Jesus will be judged according to GOD'S WAY. Our Bble made it clear that we should not judge so that we would not be judged because Judgement belongs to God. Before Jesus was made flesh HE was. God punishes people immediately in those day when they commit evil;

Check the case of ADAM & Eve when they sinned against GOD, GOd caused them.
Check the case of Cain- God Caused Him
Chech the case of a prophet who did not bring out the correct money realised from the things of GOD - He died instantly
Check the case of Sodom & Gormorah in the time of Abraham - God Burnt them with Fire etc
Also in the time of Noah building of an Ark and the flood all  because  of sin.
Many prophets sacrifice lambs for the Atonement of sin to GOD


QUESTION 3
it was John in the Bible who baptised Jesus! Whats the condition of John in this case? Will the baptiser of Jesus go to hellfire? Think hard before you respond. For me, if baptism is what qualified a man for paradise, John has more leverage and authority than Jesus.

olabowale, John the Baptizer will not go to hell fire. When Jesus died on the cross. His blood is for redemption of sins; hence we pray  to Father to wash our sins with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. We do not sacrifice lamb any more for sins - Jesus took the place of the Lamb "The Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world" is JESUS.


I DID NOT say that being baptist you will go to heaven. NO Baptist does not guaranty anyone of going to Heaven But TRUE AND SINCERE REPENTANCE "BORN AGAIN"

NOW IN OUR DAYS, WE HAVE COMMITTED MUCH MORE THAN THOSE PEOPLE OF OLD. BUT WE ARE STILL LEAVING - Have you ever asked yourself WHY did God still keeping us?  olabowale IS BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST THIS IS THE HIDEN TRUTH AND FACT.

I  LOVE JESUS CHRIST!!! AND WILL ALWAYS LOVING HIM

Remain blessed.

olabowale:

@Kola Oloye,
Sorry, you don't have paradise, you only have kingdom of heaven, aka heaven.

There is no any paradise for you anywhere, the only available venue for eternity is either HEAVEN or HELL.
Can you even explain or describe how this Paradise is going to look like and what people would be doing there?

@MayKelly
How many times a Christians to be born again? Do you think after they repent for their sins they will not commit again a sin like lying or fornication? Is there a guarantee/assurance about to be “born again” I see much more people are hiding their secret.

@kola oloye
We Muslim have 7 paradise the highest is the Maqam al mahmoud.
what about the Christians Jesus(as) said there is the Least kingdom and the Great kingdom which is unspecify location in the heaven? can you specify that location/place that Jesus mention in the Bibles.

samba123:

@kola oloye
We Great One have 7 paradise the highest is the Maqam al mahmoud.
what about the Christians Jesus(as) said there is the Least kingdom and the Great kingdom which is unspecify location in the heaven? can you specify that location/place that Jesus mention in the Bibles.

The issue of least/great kingdom i don't understand.Where is that written in the bible?
THE HEAVEN I KNOW IS THIS:
John 14 Jesus said:
1  Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2  In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
          I go to prepare a place for you.

3  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
     that where I am, there ye may be also.

Read this in Mathew 5:19

“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

and now tell which kingdom of heaven are referring Jesus(as) he mention the least and the great Heaven but we do not know the name of that heaven suppose to be where it is?

samba123:

Read this in Mathew 5:19

“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

and now tell which kingdom of heaven are referring Jesus(as) he mention the least and the great Heaven but we do not know the name of that heaven suppose to be where it is?

The word `whoever` is not referring to the kingdom, it is referring to `any person`.
The word LEAST and GREAT is an adjective qualifying the person"whoever" in the kingdom.
The kingdom of Heaven is one. Thank you.

kola oloye:

The word `whoever` is not referring to the kingdom, it is referring to `any person`.
The word LEAST and GREAT is an adjective qualifying the person"whoever" in the kingdom.
The kingdom of Heaven is one. Thank you.

we are not talking here about noun,pronoun, verb, adjective. we are here to emphasize about heaven the least heaven and the great heaven which is unspecify place. I just like to know which heaven did Jesus are referring for? there must be a particular name for that place the least and the great heaven? if you don't mind

The place you are talking about did not say 'least heaven" or "great heaven".
The word is "IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" The least person or the great person in the kingdom.
    The word "THE"[/b]makes the subject (heaven) unique
[b] Get understanding. The kingdom of heaven is ONE

@Kola Oloye: So what you are saying really, is that a person who breaks or makes others break the commandments will make heaven. Only that may be the least heaven. But those who do not break or make others break any of the commandments will go to other heaven, different from the least heaven. Is this correct?

Then tell us, are you saying that all persons who break the laws will make heaven (Paradise)? If this is so then the presence and commandments of Jesus is irrelevant. At least the verse which says he himself was there to flfill all the laws and will not ignore any, even the least. But the audacity that that you can now tell us that you can ignore or break any of the laws that Jesus himself reconciled himself with.

What you have done is to render Jesus and Moses purely unimportant and cling to Paul over them.Where is your lake of fire then? What is least heaven for those who do against Jesus and Moses, is it Paradise?

samba123:

we are not talking here about noun,pronoun, verb, adjective. we are here to emphasize about heaven the least heaven and the great heaven which is unspecify place. I just like to know which heaven did Jesus are referring for? there must be a particular name for that place the least and the great heaven? if you don't mind

As you go through this,may God give you understanding
King James version
19[b] Whosoever [/b] therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,
    he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do
   and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Young's literal translation
19`Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands -- the least -- and may teach men so,
least he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach [them],
he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.

Amplified Version
  19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments
and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them
and teaches others to do so[b] shall be called[/b] great in the kingdom of heaven.
                      THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS ONE NOT TWO

If you don't understand it like this , i advice you to go back to elementary school

@kola oloye

lol I can't get it those verses have different view which one is Authentic can you specify which one are preparable to use. but you still can't define the least and the great kingdom of heaven which is one place but different part of entity.

@Kola Oloye: You are a funny dude. If Jesus your lord, god warns against relegating any of the laws/commandments, how come paul teached you to relegate the same? Is Paul not then from the lowest of heaven or kingdom of God? Therefore those who followed Paul in disrespecting any of these laws/commandments are from the same low heaven as Paul. Not so?

Which laws and commandments were be spoken about by Jesus; not Moses? Do you obey the dietary laws now? Do you obey the circumcision law now? Do you obey the law of Singly All Powerful God now, without slicing and dicing Him to parts; son, holy ghost and father god parts? Do you not make graven imagery now, etc?

These above are not conforming to the injuction of Jesus on keeping the laws and commandments given to Moses.

olabowale:

@Kola Oloye: You are a funny dude. If Jesus your lord, god warns against relegating any of the laws/commandments, how come paul teached you to relegate the same? Is Paul not then from the lowest of heaven or kingdom of God? Therefore those who followed Paul in disrespecting any of these laws/commandments are from the same low heaven as Paul. Not so?

Which laws and commandments were be spoken about by Jesus; not Moses? Do you obey the dietary laws now? Do you obey the circumcision law now? Do you obey the law of Singly All Powerful God now, without slicing and dicing Him to parts; son, holy ghost and father god parts? Do you not make graven imagery now, etc?
These above are not conforming to the injuction of Jesus on keeping the laws and commandments given to Moses.

What we have been deliberating on is the issue of the kingdom of heaven. Samba123 was trying to prove that
there are two heavens;"the least heaven and the great heaven". From the scripture above - the kingdom of heaven is one .
The category of the people is what Jesus was talking about. Heirarchically, each person must be rewarded according to the
level of his work. If you do a great work for the gospel here on earth you shall be recognised as a great person in the kingdom.

The issue here is about RECOGNITION.Even here on earth we do recognize great people with great works.
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS ONE.Thank you

@Kola Oloye: I wished that I can write proper Yoruba, and it is also permissible for me to do so here. Evidently, it may the only way to corner you to admit the discrepancy from the Bible as regarding the laws of Moses. We see that Jesus said that he did not come to abolish but to fulfill the laws of Moses. And immediately warns that who so ever follows in his footsteps and encourages others to do the same after, that fellow will be regarded as great in the kingdom of heavens. But if another fellow even disobeys a jot (am going to assume that it is the smallest part) and encourages others to do so regarding the laws, that person will be least in the kingdom of heaven!

We see that least here, as I asked Christians means lake of fire (hell). If this does not mean hell, then the statement of Jesus as to least in the kingdom of heaven will be empty rhetoric. It means nothing. But where will those who disobeyed the laws belong, if not hell? We see that Paul not only disobeyed the laws, but disregarded Jesus' warning while at it and encouraged the "Christians" to do the same. But where would these people be housed, except in the least of kingdom of heaven; hellfire.

As I was writing this piece to you, I simply asked a Christian to tell me what Jesus meant by his statement and how should the laws be looked at. His response is that there should not be any personal interpretation. But just that one looks at each law as it is written and act upon it as such. I agree with him. Unfortunately, he is still a Christian. How can he say what he said and still remain a Christian, considering that the 1st law was not looked at as it is written? But after Jesus was lifted up, the interpretation of One God, developed into three godhead god! How can it be accepted, since even Jesus himself made it clear that Moses laws were direct and complete as is, without even an interpretation to twist himself as any part of God into it. And that he made it clear in Mark 12 verse 29 that God and Lord is One, and he Jesus is subject as any other person to that Supremacy.

How do you interprete the dietary laws and circumcision laws, etc away from what it directly mean in speech? Afterall, Jesus was circumcised and observe the dietary laws among others from the commandments and laws. Today Pig farms are common and uncircumcised men parade the earth. All as a result of Paul and company.

This Christian that I asked even told me that Jesus meant all the laws of the Prophets. I wonder if we put that into account, if Paul had not gone even farther than I thought?

Sorry i don't understand what you mean by fight in heaven?we true Christians don't fight not to talk of in heaven.

Waow . I have missed a lot and I dont even know where to start or the post to reply but let me lay back and be reading from people before coming in.