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| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by daontop: 8:01am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Its very funny hw quotation of diff chapters nd verses of d bible r flyin around. But d prob is dat none of us even understand d particular msg d author of a part is tryn to say 2us... nd our problem is dat we giv a conclusion on a topic by reading jst 1 chapter or verses of a book...D bible is a very big book wit so many contradictory part dat cnt be understand by mere readin nd lukin @d words literally. I could remember d bible sayin dat "everything jesus taught r nt written dwn in d bible cos if dey were written dwn, d whole book of dis world may nt b able to contain it" and oda tins.nd miracles performd by d apostles nd places visitd nd of death of d apostles including d death of mary( as some said she died nd was buried 2000yrs ago). If these tins were nt written dwn, whr r dey? hw r dey passd frm dat tym to us?, r dey lost?, if nt, who ve dem? nd because it wasnt written dwn, does dat makes dem non-existence or untrue? Nd anoda prob is dat we quote d bible literarily. Most books of d bible were originally written in greek, aramaic, hebrew nd latin nd these languages r very diificult 2read nd interprete ( i tried hebrew 1ce nd it wasnt funny) nd most of these lang ve mre dan 1meanin for a word nd mst tyms doesnt ve a direct meanin to a word jst lik d present english ve. ex can anybody tel me d meanin of cousin in his own native language, i gues d yorubas wil say " òmó aburo abi egbon iya mi" (describing) while d igbos wil say " nwanne or nwa nwanne mama m or nwa nwanna mama m" (describin) we only describe who dat person was nt givin d direct word for it cos d same cousin (direct) can also mean child of my mums or dads bro or sis (describe).. dis is d same prob dose languages had. The best tins is for us to go learn these langs nd get d original versn of d bible dat were written in these languages b4 quotin anytin nd d funnies part is dat even d bible sme of "we" christians r readin nw was d 1 Martin Luther nd John Calvin interpreted which was goten frm d one dat was translated by St. Jerome frm Latin to wot we call "pigin" latin due to high illeteracy den (google it) nd was wot even Martin Luther himself sufferd nd could only be read by d learned nd sme priests nd Martin Luther was also d person dat removed d deterocanonical books frm d bible cos it waz contradictn mst of his teaching (google it).... so my point is b4 u stat askn questn or interpretm n nd quotin d bible nd using d holy spirit as a back up, ask urself " do i really know d true meanin of wot i am quoting?, is dat d msg d author is tryn 2pass?" |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by pek(m): 8:15am On Jul 15, 2013 |
frosbel:best post! nothing to add or remove! 1 Like |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:22am On Jul 15, 2013 |
The answer to your question is very simple, the bible says in Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. So why do you have to channel your prayers to Mary when your being confronted by a demon possess individual when you can channel your prayers to God through Jesus, i really don't understand why you have to waste your time praying to Mary when you can pray to Jesus, who is more powerful in Mary and Jesus? you don't need a visa to get to Jesus, just have faith and trust in him, you won't be disappointed. |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Austinio: 8:25am On Jul 15, 2013 |
If I love u but hate ur mother, hw would u feel or act when you heard dt I insult her. |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ernestleon(m): 8:26am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Why do you ask adeboye, chris,oyedepo and co to pray for you if you can simply pray yourself? like it or not Catholic will forever remain Catholic.No Nairaland nor protestant can stop it. |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by pek(m): 8:33am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Austinio: If I love u but hate ur mother, hw would u feel or act when you heard dt I insult her.have you made any point here to the topic? you just posted trash. anyway, the people who practice this dont read their Bible! if they did, they would have known better |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:35am On Jul 15, 2013 |
nwabuife: Now say dis,Luke 111, is a prayer, say it slowly ok''Who is she that comes forth as the morning rising,Fair as the moon,bright as the sun, and terrible as an army set in battle array? My soul glorifies the Lord,my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour.He looks on his servant in her lowliness, henceforth all AGES WILL CALL ME BLESSED.THE ALMIGHTY WORKS MARVELS FOR ME,HOLY is his name! Our Lady Mother of perpetual help,mother of God,mother of Lord Jesus, mother most pure, virgin most faithful,Queen of all saints PRAY FOR US... 3x You seem to have said it so many times it hurts for you just to think outside it. Its called BRAINWASHING 1 Like |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:43am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Baron75: please read your Bible very well and not read it with malice, you will find the origins of every catholic practice and doctrine. I give you only one example, the consecration of the holy communion was authorized by Christ himself at the last supper when he said" this is my body which will be given up for you" and "this is my blood which will be shed for all men, do this in memory of me" and today, when we consecret, we obey the commandment of our Lord Jesus Christ. The catholic church is the one true church established by Christ himself. It is not your pentecostal that the pastor set up for commercial and earthly reasons, that is why he would claim that the "holy spirit" led him τ̅☺ sleep with somebody's wife or commit all sorts of atrocities I guess your priests after being faithful in pedophilia still bless the communion and feed you guys. Come let me lay hands on you and watch the holy ghost deal with you. All those demons of apostasy will come out of you in JESUS NAME |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Bibol(f): 9:01am On Jul 15, 2013 |
What i have read in this thread is more than shocking. Please can someone here help clarify this. Is Mary dead or alive? Can the dead pray for someone? Did God give her power to interceed or help us conquer life's challenges? Is she in any way superior to Christ? Someone help me here! |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by livebullet(m): 9:02am On Jul 15, 2013 |
1st of all, the Catholic church compiled the bible from thousands of books spread around the world, 2ndly KJV is incomplete cos Martin LUther took off some books. Now all ur arguments are based on ur abridged version (KJV). these protestants r jus so good with their ignorant propaganda. b4 you comment on this post make sure u have sound knowlwdge of bible origin and development. or else go argue with ignoramus peeps like u. tnx. Thank God am catholic even if am just a bench warmer!
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| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:11am On Jul 15, 2013 |
livebullet: 1st of all, the Catholic church compiled the bible from thousands of books spread around the world, 2ndly KJV is incomplete cos Martin LUther took off some books. Now all ur arguments are based on ur abridged version (KJV). these protestants r jus so good with their ignorant propaganda. b4 you comment on this post make sure u have sound knowlwdge of bible origin and development. or else go argue with ignoramus peeps like u. tnx. Thank God am catholic even if am just a bench warmer! [b]You need to know your History and draw inferences from them. Martin Luther took out books from the Apocrypha because there was no claim to them being divinely inspired. Let me give you some facts below: The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places. The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. This is a test case example And the day following Judas came with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchers of their fathers. And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain. Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. (2 Maccabees 12:39-46) I will give you more instances if you desire more knowledge [/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:12am On Jul 15, 2013 |
naijadeyhia:  I bet your pastor is sha-g-g-I-n-g u behind doors, yet he's married. how about the jet he bought with your money? |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Franky9584(m): 9:16am On Jul 15, 2013 |
We honour Mary as mother of God. Mind u there z nothing lik in d name of Mary ok. Rmber in d gospel of luke...From 2day henceforth, ALL GENERATION SHALL CALL HER BLESSED. And i guess we all are part of d generation...hahaha. AM PROUD 2B A CATHOLIC (legio-Mariae) |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:19am On Jul 15, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: [b]The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship. Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity. Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die. Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation. The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials. And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46) And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27) And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:41)[/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:23am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[b]The Catholics have 46 Old Testament books rather than the 39 found in our Bibles. However, they have added much more material to other books which does not appear under separate titles. That material follows: The Rest of Esther added to Esther; The Song of the Three Holy Children, The History of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon added to Daniel; Baruch; 1 and 2 Maccabees; Tobias; Judith; Ecclesiasticus; and the Wisdom of Sirach. The only powerful support for these books is that they appear in the Septuagint version. However, in many of our Bibles there is much material that is uninspired, including history, poetry, maps, dictionaries, and other information. This may be the reason for the appearance of this material in the Septuagint. The apocrypha was not in the Hebrew canon. There are reputed to be 263 quotations and 370 allusions to the Old Testament in the New Testament and not one of them refers to the Apocryphal The usual division of the Old Testament by the Jews was a total of 24 books: The Books of Moses (51, The Early prophets 14; Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings ~, The Late Prophets (4; Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the 12 Minor Prophets), and the Hagiagrapha (11; Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Solomon. Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, and Chronicles i. These 24 books contain all the material in our numbering of 39[/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ayando(m): 9:23am On Jul 15, 2013 |
My question is this: To what end is this topic,to learn or to ridicule? one thing i have found out in life is this:No one has the final say to the things of God.so people should just quit finding the fault in one religion or denomination over the other. You seem to forget that we are humans and any law or tenet we form can't never be perfect or agreed to by all. Whatever you choose to believe is your cup of tea and that doesn't place you superior to your fellow human being. Every man/woman shall be judge by his/er deeds. I know some people will hate me for this, but this is the truth. Christians are the best practitioner of hypocrisy.Mind you,i don't believe in this as well but my best friend is a catholic and I respect his beliefs. |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Franky9584(m): 9:27am On Jul 15, 2013 |
PROUDLY CATHOLIC TILL THY KINGDOM COME...AVE-MARIA!!! |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:32am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[size=15pt]Definition of a Roman Catholic:[/size] Someone who believes: The present roman catholic church organization in Rome is Christ's one true church established in 30 A.D. The pope is a god-appointed head of the church on the earth. The teachings and decrees of the pope as equal to the bible in authority. The Catholic church as the infallible interpreter of scripture. That tradition is equal to the bible in authority. All HERESY |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:39am On Jul 15, 2013 |
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| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by greedie1(f): 9:42am On Jul 15, 2013 |
who resurrected this old thread?? ayando: My question is this: To what end is this topic,to learn or to ridicule? one thing i have found out in life is this:No one has the final say to the things of God.so people should just quit finding the fault in one religion or denomination over the other. my dear.... its so unfortunate. the aim ofcz is to ridicule. i ll try not to get into these arguments again. God will judge us all, |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:43am On Jul 15, 2013 |
CATHOLIC BELIEFS AGAINST NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANITY Catholic Faith The church defines the Bible Church Organization supreme over the Bible Only Popes, bishops and priests can correctly interpret the Bible The Supreme doctrinal authority of Catholics is the Pope! New Testament Christianity The Bible defines the church The Bible supreme over the church Anyone can understand the Bible, As the Holy Spirit gives understanding The Supreme doctrinal authority of Christians is Jesus Christ through the Bible only! |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:47am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[b]The Catholic Catechism For Adults on page 52 says, "Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught." Notice that the first part of their answer to "Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible?" is, "No..." However, their own translations of the Bible teaches the opposite. All Scriptural quotations that I will be giving are from Catholic translations. 2 Tim. 3:15-17 says, "And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by faith which is Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work." Thus, the apostle Paul by the inspiration of God, says to Timothy "thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation" and make you "perfect, furnished to every good work." Rom. 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. James 1:21 says, "...With meekness receive the ingrafted word, which is able to save you souls." Consequently, the word contained in the Bible is able to save our souls.[/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:48am On Jul 15, 2013 |
shut that trap you call mouth naijadeyhia: CATHOLIC BELIEFS AGAINST NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANITY |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:56am On Jul 15, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: dumb azz U r d dumber1 not @debrake cos he followed ur logic and arrived at d conclusion he dished out to u which makes u dumber! Ur premise was faulty and the conclusion will also be false! |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:56am On Jul 15, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: shut that trap you call mouth [b]The last part of the answer given in the Catechism to the question, "Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible?" was "No...because the Bible does not have everything God taught." The Faith of Millions, on pages 153-154 says, "The Bible does not contain all the teaching of the Christian religion, nor does it formulate all the duties of its members." The Scriptures contain everything that is necessary to equip the man of God for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17). There is not a solitary good work that the Christian can do which is not provided in the Scriptures. The Scriptural proof they give for the Bible not containing everything God taught, is John 20:30. It says, "Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book." (See Catechism For Adults, p. 10). In John 20:30, John simply said that Jesus did many other signs (miracles) which he did record. Notice, though, what John says in the next verse, "...But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name." Thus, the apostle clearly shows that he wrote sufficient things to produce the faith which brings life in the name of Jesus. Life in the name of Jesus refers to eternal life and it is obtained by belief in the things written by the inspired writers. We freely admit that the Scriptures do not contain everything Jesus did. John said, "There are, however, many other things that Jesus did; but if every one of these would be written, not even the world itself, I think, could hold the books that would have to be written." (John 21:25). Although we do not have everything Jesus did, we do have every necessary thing. We have enough to give us life in His name.[/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by BrightCar: 9:58am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Popowaa: She talks to JesusIN HEAVEN, DOES MARY STILL PLAY THE ROLE OF MOTHER OF JESUS? |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 9:58am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[b]Catholic officials follow up their claim (that we cannot understand the Bible) by stating that one can get the true meaning only from the Catholic Church. The Catechism For Adults on page 10 says, "How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God's official interpreter, the Catholic Church." The Catholics have no passages which mention an official interpreter and, thus, they try to support their claim through human logic and reasoning. Anytime men do such, it amounts to nothing more than human philosophy rather than Scriptural proof. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4). It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2: 8 ). The doctrine of the "infallible interpreter" implies that God did not make Himself clear. It implies that God gave us a revelation that still needs revealing. Did God fail in His attempt to give man a revelation? Do the Catholic officials want us to believe they can express God's will more clearly than God Himself? We believe that God made the mind of man and is fully capable of addressing man in words which man can understand.[/b] 2 Likes |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 10:01am On Jul 15, 2013 |
For the Catholics who are reading this, i am only using your own books side by side with the Bible to prove my points |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Acidosis(m): 10:02am On Jul 15, 2013 |
Franky9584: PROUDLY CATHOLIC TILL THY KINGDOM COME...AVE-MARIA!!! If you think "Catholic" and "Maria-Ave" is all you need (not Jesus), you will go to hell fire.. and Maria will not be able to save you |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 10:03am On Jul 15, 2013 |
On page 54 the Catechism For Adults says, "Does everyone have to obey the Catholic Church? Yes, because she alone has the authority of Jesus to rule and to teach." It is easy to see that Catholics have the authority in the wrong place. The authority is not in the body, but in the Head (Eph. 1:22-23; Col. 1:18). The ruling is not in the kingdom, but in the King (Heb. 7:1-2; Rev. 1:5-6). The authority is not in the church, but in Christ (Matt. 28:18; 1 Pet. 3:22). The church is not the Savior, but simply the body of the saved (Acts 2:47; Eph. 5:22-24). |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 10:07am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[b] the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man: "Pope," "Holy Father," "Vicar of Christ," "Sovereign Pontiff." All of these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father. There is not a single instance in the Scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man. The term, "Holy Father" is used only once in the entire Bible, and it is used by Jesus in addressing God the Father. (John 17:11). Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ." A "vicar" is "One serving as a substitute or agent; one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office." (Webster). When one searches the Bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God. It is 2 Thess. 2:3-4 and is worded as follows: "Let no one deceive you in any way, for the day of the Lord will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits in the temple of God and gives himself out as if he were God." Some religionists today advocate that man is saved by faith only. However, there is only one passage in the entire Bible that has the words "faith" and "only" together and it says, "not by faith only" (James 2:24). The Catholics today speak of the Pope as vicar, taking the place of God (Christ Himself is God, Matt. 1:23; John 1:1), yet there is only one passage in the entire Bible which speaks of a man doing such and it calls him "the man of sin." James Cardinal Gibbons, a Catholic Archbishop said, "Jesus our Lord, founded but one Church, which He was pleased to build on Peter. Therefore, any church that does not recognize Peter as its foundation stone is not the Church of Christ, and therefore cannot stand, for it is not the work of God." . The apostle Paul said, "For other foundation no one can lay, but that which has been laid, which is Christ Jesus" (1 Cor. 3:11). There is no other foundation but Christ! Therefore, any church which does not recognize Christ alone as the foundation stone cannot be the church of Christ.[/b] |
| Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 10:10am On Jul 15, 2013 |
[b]Catholic writers often speak of "the primacy of Peter" and "the primacy of the Pope." However, Col. 1:18, speaking of Christ, says, "And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy..." Thus, with reference to the authority in the church, the Lord Jesus Christ holds the primacy in all things. This leaves nothing for the Pope! Eph. 5:23-25 shows that Christ is the only head of the church. "Let wives be subject to their husbands as to the Lord; because a husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is head of the Church, being himself savior of the body. But just as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things." Consequently, the wife is subject to her husband as the church is to Christ. Just as the wife is subject to only one head--her husband, the church is subject to only one head--Christ. Just as the husband does not send a substitute to rule over his wife, Christ does not authorize a substitute to rule over His bride, the church.[/b] |
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