Abagworo: Maybe you mean aspects of language and culture in what we now call Yoruba because Yoruba wasn't in existence then. Most African cultures are represented but Yoruba(as we know it today) may be the loudest because they went there more recently than others.

Akshow: you made no sense at all. Pray, what exactly is your point?

Abagworo: Maybe you mean aspects of language and culture in what we now call Yoruba because Yoruba wasn't in existence then. Most African cultures are represented but Yoruba(as we know it today) may be the loudest because they went there more recently than others.

Negro_Ntns:

Yoruba had always been in existence. Ive heard people say it was a name given by Hausa, I wonder where Hausa got the name from. Yoruba and Yauri are the same people and settled in the same migrant epoch, one settled South, the other went North. Egba, Ijebu, Ijesha, Awori, Ugbo, Itsekiri....these were all members in the Yoruba nation but only Oyo was known as Yoruba back then.

Yoruba is dominant in the Americas because in the struggles to freedom and self-rule Yorubas were actively involved particularly in South Americas. Also, the Yoruba slaves were in the elite class of the slave communities in both North and South America. If order of arrival would explain the lasting cultural footprint then Fulani should be the culture surviving and not Yoruba.

This isn't to say that one culture is more superior to the other - Yoruba culture is just deeper in the lives of most people of Yoruba descent - it's like an in-born thing... Heck.

TheBookWorm: As someone of African American descent, I can help explain this conundrum.

Slavery in the British colonies was far different than slavery in the Portuguese colonies. The planters (plantation owners) made a concerted effort to make sure that they mixed up the tribes on their various plantations. They did not want members of the same group to be on one plantation, because they feared a slave rebellion which was an ever present fear. Read about Nat Turner's rebellion. Igbos were mixed up with Akan, Woloof, Fulani etc. Plus, drumming, speaking their indigenous language, and any other cultural expect was forbidden.

The enslaved Africans found in Brazil did not have to be subject to this, because the Portuguese planters did not care if members of one group could be found on one plantation. That is why many aspects of Yoruba culture can be found in Brazil as well as in the Spanish colonies.

If you look at the former British colonies, you can still see the African presence, but it is nothing compared to what is seen in Brazil. There is a reason for that. I hope that helps.

ezeagu: Yoruba indentured servants were still arriving in places like Trinidad and Tobago and Brazil way after most European nations had abandoned buying slaves from Africa.

By the way, Efik and aspects of their culture still exists in the Cuban abacua society. Many aspects of Brazilians culture like Candomble and music comes from Angola.

TheBookWorm: As someone of African American descent, I can help explain this conundrum.

Slavery in the British colonies was far different than slavery in the Portuguese colonies. The planters (plantation owners) made a concerted effort to make sure that they mixed up the tribes on their various plantations. They did not want members of the same group to be on one plantation, because they feared a slave rebellion which was an ever present fear. Read about Nat Turner's rebellion. Igbos were mixed up with Akan, Woloof, Fulani etc. Plus, drumming, speaking their indigenous language, and any other cultural aspect was forbidden.

The enslaved Africans found in Brazil did not have to be subject to this, because the Portuguese planters did not care if members of one group could be found on one plantation. That is why many aspects of Yoruba culture can be found in Brazil as well as in the Spanish colonies.

If you look at the former British colonies, you can still see the African presence, but it is nothing compared to what is seen in Brazil. There is a reason for that. I hope that helps.

valena_23: Yes you are definitely right. Right from time, Yorubas valued the sanctity of life and were not rushing to sell their brethren for money unlike the igbos, until the colonial masters' violent raid could no more be withstood and they started taking slaves. igbos are fools,and bloody senseless liars like achebe,twisting history. igbos rather flatter themselves and falsely use mouth to spoil others' image. igbo unity is FAKE! they kill themselves for money with ease. Unlike igbos, Yorubas know that LIFE is more than money. Cynthia, that beautiful girl was severally Molested and killed by 4 igbos for money. This year alone so many ritual killings in igbo land, 38 people were killed and dumped in a Ezu River in Anambra, 12 toddlers were killed in another...several unresolved killings for money in igbo land, what a people. igbos are fools,and bloody senseless liars like achebe,twisting history. I don't know any other tribe that is as ungrateful as d igbos. d Thoughtful Yorubas accepts them like brothers yet they rant about us. They are cowards, hausas are slaughtering their brothers like rams in the North, they do nothing.igbos always think they r d wisest and that is why they are fools who think life is only about money.igbos r d Genesis of d problem of dis country,traitors who spared their greedy leaders in January 29,1966 Coup.The civil war would not have happened. Yorubas don't betray, read history, ur useless father azikwe started d betrayal thing when Awolowo helped him to d top and he didn't fulfill his part of their agreement.in d January 1966 igbo coup,Brgd Ademulegun, Col Fajuyi and other Great Youruba Millitary Men were killed, as usual d ever deceitful igbos, against the agreement, told their greedy leaders to skedaddle. igbos must apologize to d Yorubas now!d YORUBAS are already uniting and getting ready for u people. igbos or hausasfulani, what u want is want u shall get from us, Peace or War![/b]

tonychristopher: hope the other aspect of yoruba culture was retain like dirtyness,back bitting, fetishness, infedelity and cowardice.... i hope the so call accross pacific ocean retain this.DOES THIS CHANGE THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL IN THE MARKET PLACE...B.U.LL.SH.I.T.T

TheBookWorm:

You also forget that in Trinidad & Tobago, some people still practice Obeah. I think that is a derivative of traditional Igbo spirituality.

mainman7: [b]Yes you are definitely right. Right from time, Yorubas valued the sanctity of life and were not rushing to sell their brethren for money unlike the igbos, until the colonial masters' violent raid could no more be withstood and they started taking slaves. igbos are fools,and bloody senseless liars like achebe,twisting history. igbos rather flatter themselves and falsely use mouth to spoil others' image. igbo unity is FAKE! they kill themselves for money with ease. Unlike igbos, Yorubas know that LIFE is more than money. Cynthia, that beautiful girl was severally Molested and killed by 4 igbos for money. This year alone so many ritual killings in igbo land, 38 people were killed and dumped in a Ezu River in Anambra, 12 toddlers were killed in another...several unresolved killings for money in igbo land, what a people. igbos are fools,and bloody senseless liars like achebe,twisting history. I don't know any other tribe that is as ungrateful as d igbos. d Thoughtful Yorubas accepts them like brothers yet they rant about us. They are cowards, hausas are slaughtering their brothers like rams in the North, they do nothing.igbos always think they r d wisest and that is why they are fools who think life is only about money.igbos r d Genesis of d problem of dis country,traitors who spared their greedy leaders in January 29,1966 Coup.The civil war would not have happened. Yorubas don't betray, read history, ur useless father azikwe started d betrayal thing when Awolowo helped him to d top and he didn't fulfill his part of their agreement.in d January 1966 igbo coup,Brgd Ademulegun, Col Fajuyi and other Great Youruba Millitary Men were killed, as usual d ever deceitful igbos, against the agreement, told their greedy leaders to skedaddle. igbos must apologize to d Yorubas now!d YORUBAS are already uniting and getting ready for u people.igbos or hausas, what u want is want u shall get from us,Peace or War![/b]

4chi:

See where envy and petty jealousy has driven you. You are no different from a rabid infested dog. Was it the fault of the yorubas that your fathers were primitive,naked wild living mongrels? Food gatherers and cave men? You wish you were Yoruba but since your chi has decided otherwise, learn to live with it.

Forget all the crap being spewed above,the Yoruba culture survived in the diaspora because IT IS THE MOST RESILIENT CULTURE FROM AFRICA AND IT'S SPIRITUALITY IS WORLD ACCLAIMED UP TILL TODAY. Yorubas don't owe anybody any apology for that after all, aji se bi oyo la nri, oyo o se bi baba enikankan .

Ask yourself which other African group has anything as deep as the ifa corpus coupled with impressive pantheon of gods which aremore than that of the Greek mythology. Yorubas have always been the initiator and not the immitators in matters of culture or why do you think the rest of Nigeria now tie gele, wear aso ebi and aso oke, adire, etc, etc other cultures will continue to imitate but you will never see a Yoruba man tie wrapper. Eewo Orishas!!

TheBookWorm: As someone of African American descent, I can help explain this conundrum.

Slavery in the British colonies was far different than slavery in the Portuguese colonies. The planters (plantation owners) made a concerted effort to make sure that they mixed up the tribes on their various plantations. They did not want members of the same group to be on one plantation, because they feared a slave rebellion which was an ever present fear. Read about Nat Turner's rebellion. Igbos were mixed up with Akan, Woloof, Fulani etc. [size=18pt]Plus, drumming, speaking their indigenous language, and any other cultural aspects were forbidden. [/size]

The enslaved Africans found in Brazil did not have to be subject to this, because the Portuguese planters did not care if members of one group could be found on one plantation. That is why many aspects of Yoruba culture can be found in Brazil as well as in the Spanish colonies.

If you look at the former British colonies, you can still see the African presence, but it is nothing compared to what is seen in Brazil. There is a reason for that. I hope that helps.

Negro_Ntns:
Yoruba is dominant in the Americas because in the struggles to freedom and self-rule Yorubas were actively involved particularly in South Americas. Also, the Yoruba slaves were in the elite class of the slave communities in both North and South America. If order of arrival would explain the lasting cultural footprint then Fulani should be the culture surviving and not Yoruba.

ezeagu:

There was an Igbo settlement in Belize and a Akan-Maroon village in Jamaica. There have been massive contributions by all kinds of African groups to the world. The Kongo language has even enriched many languages with words like zombie and jumbo, so I don't know how you were able to judge which was the most resilient culture when there are people in Cuba that speak Efik and Caribbean English uses mostly Akan-Igbo derived African words.

NRI PRIEST:


But you have been told countless time that the orisha culture was more prominent because the portuguesse masters were fast becoming more lenient during the dieing days of slave trade which happen to be when the yoruba slave arrived brazil. The already settle slaves who were from mozambique,angola,congo and mauritius had already lost most of their culture due to the brutal and harsh way the masters handled them. When the yoruba arrived they were fresh and the central Africans embraced the culture they arrived with the orisha voodoo worship. --

culled from: http://www.historytoday.com/john-geipel/brazils-african-legacy

It was these comparative latecomers who were to leave their indelible imprint on the culture of their new home.

During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, with the undiminished demand for unpaid labour, the Slave Coast of Nigeria became the primary source – whence the late survival in Brazil of traditions rooted in the culture of the Yoruba and the Fon (better known in Brazil by their alternative African nicknames, Nagô and Gegê)

shymexx: MSD

Hey sis, don't generalise by using what happened in Jamaica(a country that never had that much Yoruba slaves apart from the few taken to New Cross) as a yardstick for what happened all over the Caribbean and South America during slavery... How could you call the Akan badazzes and critique the Yoruba in the same sentence?? You mean the same Akan people that were crushed by the Yoruba in Africa - and had to pay tributaries to Oyo for a long time, no?? Just because the Maroons were rebellious and they left an imprint on Jamaica - that doesn't mean the Akan were stronger than the Yoruba slaves... Heck, I've met Jamaicans/Rastas out here who still believe most Jamaicans are of Yoruba descent... And there are a lot of Jamaicans with Yoruba first names out here as well... As for the Igbo slaves, they were not rebellious - they were suicidal... A lot of Igbo slaves committed suicide in the new world...

No matter how you look at it, every country in the new with a decent population of Yoruba slaves had a Yoruba imprint on it - from Tobago to Venezuela... Heck, even the presidential villa in Barbados has a Yoruba name... Despite the fact that most of the slaves taken there were Igbo and Yoruba....

Another thing you failed to point out is that the biggest/greatest slave revolt in South America was initiated and executed by Yoruba muslims called: Imale... So, they were not badazzes, yet they organised a well-planned revolt in Bahia, no?

MsDarkSkin:

[size=18pt]The whole concept of Yoruba vs. Igbo is extremely irrelevant when talking about us[/size]