thelastPope: You know what is really funny? - Nothing funny but it doesn't appear that you are thinking things through, read below:

1. Hausa/Fulani will never marry Yoruba - Really? That is not true! NEVER? Don't exaggerate what you are not in a position to know!

2. Igbo and Yorubas are inter-marrying at a crazy rate - Most ibo girls would rather marry a Westerner

3. Hausa/Fulani always insult Yorubas. - ALWAYS? Do you know that the Sadaunna himself "insulted" the iboz long before the war? It's in a video! How does Sanusi's opinion imply that a whole tribe of millions mean they ALWAYS?? Again, that is NOT true!

4. You cannot find an Igbo leader insult Yorubas - Maybe they have more sense to realize that the Yorubas are the only saving grace ibos have in Nigeria. Or they cannot say it in public but think about the day iboz receive the same treatment they receive regularly in the north and are told to not stay in the West again. What can your leaders do seeing the only "leader" of iboz ojuku had to run away after the hornets nest descended on him.

5. But Yorubas will always allign with the Hausa/Fulani in government - ALWAYS? Wrong! The hausa/fulani are more likely to trust the West more than the iboz who after losing the upper hand Zik thought he won, turned and betrayed the Hausas killing Balewa, Sadaunna, Maimalari and co! In government, the Westerners have shown that they are FAR better in administration, trust and leadership for the WHOLE country than the iboz. Hence, it is easier for the Hausa to see he will not be discriminated on religion or tribe than the iboz - or why do you think the West is more welcoming than iboland?

6. And Igbos will always allign with Hausa/Fulanis in business [b]- Iboz align with Hausa thinking they can profit from the relationship - money! Iboz are mostly about money, Hausas have needs which they are happy to pay for but that is it. It doesn't mean they will not treat the fuc.kup of iboz anytime so think about it: what is there to be gained when the people you think are buying your services are the ones who ended up bombing you and you never had a chance to spend the money? Plus the West has almost everything it needs and can provide it itself! Buying and selling (trade) was a major part of the history of the westerners and most people do not see it as a big deal, they will do it if they want it. The westerners are not PRIMARILY motivated by MONEY and do not feel that opportunity is limited and must engage in trade. That is why you see that education and craftsmanship (working with the hands) is well respected in the West where the motivation is not necessarily about money. The iboz on the hand see money as the primary motivation for everything.[/b]


Theres something really wrong here!

thelastPope: You know what is really funny?

1. Hausa/Fulani will never marry Yoruba

2. Igbo and Yorubas are inter-marrying at a crazy rate

3. Hausa/Fulani always insult Yorubas.

4. You cannot find an Igbo leader insult Yorubas

5. But Yorubas will always allign with the Hausa/Fulani in government

6. And Igbos will always allign with Hausa/Fulanis in business


Theres something really wrong here!

alj harem:

Yes very funny indeed because you people know how to lie a lot

1. Fulani and Yoruba marriages are very high

2. Yes it is craze, and so ?

3. Hausa/Fulani alway insult yorubas and Igbos don't ? Should we go back to Achebe's book ?

4. Igbo leader such as Achebe, Nnamdi and co have never insult the ethnic group ?

5. Big fat lie, infact the only antagonist of Hausa/fulani rule are the yorubas remember that. Ever since the first republic to this present date.

6. Business yes which is good, how does that relate to yorubas ?

thelastPope: After reading the book, There was a country, I couldnt find anywhere Chinua Achebe insulted the Yorubas as alleged. So please can anyone explain where he insulted the Yorubas?

His account of Awo's involvement in the civil war did not contain anything like insult or ridicule of the Yorubas. It didnt also contain any thing that could make one call Achebe a bigot. Awo made both good and bad decisions in his time as minister. Anyone can comment on those decisions. how does that translate into insulting the Yorubas? It was simply his account of the war which can be debated and someone could come out to fault with better argument. He had a right to his opinions. But I am concerned that after so much shout on this forum, one would have thought he actually insulted the Yorubas, but he didnt.

Or maybe there is another version of the book that I am not aware of.

bittyend: Achebe in his own words:

“It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people. There is, on the surface at least, nothing wrong with those aspirations. However, Awolowo saw the dominant Igbos at the time as the obstacles to that goal, and when the opportunity arose – the Nigeria-Biafra war – his ambition drove him into a frenzy to go to every length to achieve his dreams. In the Biafran case it meant hatching up a diabolical policy to reduce the numbers of his enemies significantly through starvation — eliminating over two million people, mainly members of future generations.”

bittyend: Achebe in his own words:

“It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people. There is, on the surface at least, nothing wrong with those aspirations. However, Awolowo saw the dominant Igbos at the time as the obstacles to that goal, and when the opportunity arose – the Nigeria-Biafra war – his ambition drove him into a frenzy to go to every length to achieve his dreams. In the Biafran case it meant hatching up a diabolical policy to reduce the numbers of his enemies significantly through starvation — eliminating over two million people, mainly members of future generations.”

Boss13:

An act of pure wickedness and yet I should celebrate him, Ojukwu and Gowon - NEVER

thelastPope:

Please can you tell me how this is an insult to the Yoruba race? All I see there is his critism of Awo's actions and he does have a right to critic it, whether he is right or wrong. How does that translate into an insult to the Yoruba race? Or are you saying every action Awo took was perfect and right and that all his actions in government are Yoruba actions, because that will be opening up a whole different subject matter

bittyend: The same Achebe also write this under a header titled: A History of Ethnic Tension and Resentment.

He observed that the Igbo culture’s emphasis on change, individualism and competitiveness gave his ethnic group an edge over the Hausa/Fulani man who was hindered by a “wary religion” and the Yoruba man who was hampered by” traditional hierarchies.”

http://www.informationng.com/2012/10/there-was-a-country-why-hausa-fulanis-yorubas-hate-igbos-achebe.html

Achebe, however, saved some criticisms for his kinsmen. He criticised them for what he described as “hubris, overweening pride and thoughtlessness, which invite envy and hatred or even worse that can obsess the mind with material success and dispose it to all kinds of crude showiness.”
He added that “contemporary Igbo behavior (that) can offend by its noisy exhibitionism and disregard for humility and quietness.

thelastPope:

Where is the insult in all these quotes you are posting? Please point them to me, because I cant see any insult anywhere. Thank you

bittyend: The same Achebe also write this under a header titled: A History of Ethnic Tension and Resentment.

He observed that the Igbo culture’s emphasis on change, individualism and competitiveness gave his ethnic group an edge over the Hausa/Fulani man who was hindered by a “wary religion” and the Yoruba man who was hampered by” traditional hierarchies.”

http://www.informationng.com/2012/10/there-was-a-country-why-hausa-fulanis-yorubas-hate-igbos-achebe.html

bittyend:

Can't you see 'his Yoruba people' there?

It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people

CyberG: You know what is really funny? - Nothing funny but it doesn't appear that you are thinking things through, read below:

1. Hausa/Fulani will never marry Yoruba - Really? That is not true! NEVER? Don't exaggerate what you are not in a position to know!

2. Igbo and Yorubas are inter-marrying at a crazy rate - Most ibo girls would rather marry a Westerner

3. Hausa/Fulani always insult Yorubas. - ALWAYS? Do you know that the Sadaunna himself "insulted" the iboz long before the war? It's in a video! How does Sanusi's opinion imply that a whole tribe of millions mean they ALWAYS?? Again, that is NOT true!

4. You cannot find an Igbo leader insult Yorubas - Maybe they have more sense to realize that the Yorubas are the only saving grace ibos have in Nigeria. Or they cannot say it in public but think about the day iboz receive the same treatment they receive regularly in the north and are told to not stay in the West again. What can your leaders do seeing the only "leader" of iboz ojuku had to run away after the hornets nest descended on him.

5. But Yorubas will always allign with the Hausa/Fulani in government - ALWAYS? Wrong! The hausa/fulani are more likely to trust the West more than the iboz who after losing the upper hand Zik thought he won, turned and betrayed the Hausas killing Balewa, Sadaunna, Maimalari and co! In government, the Westerners have shown that they are FAR better in administration, trust and leadership for the WHOLE country than the iboz. Hence, it is easier for the Hausa to see he will not be discriminated on religion or tribe than the iboz - or why do you think the West is more welcoming than iboland?

6. And Igbos will always allign with Hausa/Fulanis in business - Iboz align with Hausa thinking they can profit from the relationship - money! Iboz are mostly about money, Hausas have needs which they are happy to pay for but that is it. It doesn't mean they will not treat the fuc.kup of iboz anytime so think about it: what is there to be gained when the people you think are buying your services are the ones who ended up bombing you and you never had a chance to spend the money? Plus the West has almost everything it needs and can provide it itself! Buying and selling (trade) was a major part of the history of the westerners and most people do not see it as a big deal, they will do it if they want it. The westerners are not PRIMARILY motivated by MONEY and do not feel that opportunity is limited and must engage in trade. That is why you see that education and craftsmanship (working with the hands) is well respected in the West where the motivation is not necessarily about money. The iboz on the hand see money as the primary motivation for everything.

thelastPope:
Honestly, no offense, but what is your educational level?



The bolded is the subject matter, not Yoruba people. He said Awo was driven by ambition for himself and his people. He was talking about Awo, not his people. You can argue if he is right or wrong, but nowhere there did he insult the Yoruba. In fact, he didnt even insult Awo, he criticized him. Not the same thing by a mile. Except you are saying criticising Awo is the same as insulting him. Insult is when you call GEJ all sorts of unprintable names. Criticism is when you say he didnt make a good decision, get it?

Infact, the statement above is not even a criticism. I just dont want to deviate the dabate too much, thats why I called it a criticism. It is a writers opinion of a character. Nothing in that statement really says whether the ambition is a good thing or a bad thing. It actually only becomes a criticism when you read it in a broader context for example. if you can connect it to the food starvation policy issue.

bittyend:

Achebe bring Yoruba people into his diatribe was his achilles' heel. You don't always need to talk about others to big your people up. He was a tribalist and that was why he couldn't see beyond his tribal prism.

thelastPope:

Honestly, what is really glaring in all your posts is the very bad English. Please do something about it if you can. As for the insults, I still can't find any and I am sure you haven't read the book but are just echoing what you heard from other people

bittyend: Igbos opening threads to lure Yorubas against primitive and backward mallams in the desert.

The mallams are too low for us and Igbos are not even up to par yet. We're already chewing the lousy and arrogant Igbos intellectually, taking on mallams would be a massacre ; we don't want h ague running after us like they did Charles Taylor.

Ikengawo:
Wrong punctuation mark.
Improper capitalization.

Awo free education?

bittyend:

I should be asking you that question because it seems reading and comprehension isn't your forte. Let me break it down for you: Achebe was implying in that excerpt that Awolowo(the key player) was driven by an ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people(conspirators) over the Igbos. If you had any comprehension skills and had the smart to read between the lines, you will understand that; according to Achebe's assertion, there's no way Awolowo would have done that by himself. He needs conspirators which are his Yoruba people and that was why he alluded to them in that misguided and bigoted excerpt. So bascially, Achebe was talking about a conspiracy between Awolowo and his people for power over Igbos.

Are you a learner or just another simplistic tribalist who just take everything at face value? You need more than that to be an intellectual!