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Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by mencade5(m): 1:21am On Apr 04, 2013 |
ezme:Point of correction, the flaws in yourself. I dont need to go with this, rather, 'It is written, that at the name of Jesus Christ, everyone Must bow and every tongue must confess That Jesus Christ is Lord' my fellow brothers who are doubting the existence of The Almighty God, before the year runs out, I decree you will have an encounter that will change your mind set and accept God for who HE Is, In The Name Of Jesus Christ. Amen. God still loves you. 1 Like |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by ezme(m): 1:39am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Reyginus: Really? This is getting interesting. And Post 94 too, your reply to AnOnimus was for the 'camera challenge' ton. The stench of biasm in thought ooze when you say things like this. 'I will question the authenticity of his claim, but the authenticity of a study performed somewhere, I know not I wouldn't dare question'. To you, how sensible? I see what you are trying to get at? We are having this conversation because Carla MacKinnon did a research, documented it and release it to the open web for all to see. Anonimus made a claim that isn't documented and not available for us to independently verify. Why should i start an argument on something that isn't documented (a hearsay by my standard).If you want more info on the methodology you can contact Carla MacKinnon. Reyginus: The dumbness that lies in this your method of approach is that, in the same vein, normally it should, but it never occured to you to scritunize the statement the scientists have presented us on sleep paralysis. Their is no reason to accept anything to be true, if your presence which necessary must be present is absent in its establishment. That's the error in your reasoning. I asked if it was documented, not that i have to be physically present to verify the claims. There could be hospital records for sustained injuries in the supposed duel with the evil spirit. You see why you are the one trying so hard to win an argument instead of looking at things critically. We can both agree on the dumb one i believe. lilimax made and assertion: Lilimax: I responded with a personal observation ezme: 1 Like |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by ezme(m): 1:43am On Apr 04, 2013 |
mencade5: If only you had a good grasp of these things you chose to speak of. ^^^^ I get it all the time from the religious hypocrites around me. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by wiegraf: 2:26am On Apr 04, 2013 |
donlyone: It does not exist. Bring evidence, not anecdotal, and then we're talking. And guess what, once it can be quantified it becomes....natural, or science. Why do you not want deliverance anyways? Isn't that hypocritical? If you think you were being attacked by spirits wouldn't that solve the problem, or do you think the pastors evil agents as well? Sleep paralyses, lucid dreams, etc etc have been studied in detail*. No spirits anywhere around. It has been observed in lab situations etc, never once has damage/scarring from 'spirits' (in africa or the far-east), aliens (in oyinboland), or whatever, been observed. Why? The spirits/aliens don't show up when the subject is being observed? Notice how these spirits and whatnot never show up once science arrives? Whatever physical discomfort/scars you perceive you might have gotten, if indeed existed, occurred naturally. You simply weren't aware. For one, you were asleep, you were not even conscious when they allegedly occurred. Before considering spirits that have never been observed by any remotely credible system perhaps you could consider natural causes eg accidents while asleep (mosquito bites, sleep walking, simple movement while asleep), or your inadvertently harming yourself earlier but not noticing, someone else actually harming you while you were asleep, etc etc. Importantly, don't disregard your imagination blurring the line, translating the situation into what you want to believe happened rather than what actually happened. *There are even people who claim they are capable of inducing it in themselves at will sef, I'm not sure if their claims have been verified though. I suppose these people are wizards then, no?. 6 Likes |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by wiegraf: 2:41am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Reyginus: Really? This is getting interesting. And Post 94 too, your reply to AnOnimus was for the 'camera challenge' ton. The stench of biasm in thought ooze when you say things like this. 'I will question the authenticity of his claim, but the authenticity of a study performed somewhere, I know not I wouldn't dare question'. To you, how sensible? What in your god's blue earth is this reyginus? Do you think peer reviewed articles are on equal footing with random guy x's posts on the internet? You think all those 'peers', which tend to feature various highly skilled/knowledgable professionals btw, do not scientifically, have not critically examined/confirmed the claims? Op's article might be from an artist, but sleep paralyses is very well documented. Spirits? Lemme see....despite claims from since the time man became conscious.....NO. Never, ever. edit; Really, you should consider a spirit powered laptop or something, if you think the scientific method is silly ie |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by wiegraf: 2:44am On Apr 04, 2013 |
livescience: http://www.livescience.com/21653-brain-chemicals-sleep-paralysis.html |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by drchingy: 2:53am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Reyginus: Nice one. What explanation do you have for those who wake up with scars from fights in their dream.U scratched uself by ur self naaa |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by mencade5(m): 3:02am On Apr 04, 2013 |
ezme:With such mindset, You will never understand. 'Mr perfect of The Atheist world'. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by ezme(m): 3:08am On Apr 04, 2013 |
mencade5: Make me understand, you have all the time you would need to, just let it follow logically. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 3:24am On Apr 04, 2013 |
ezme:a Herculean task.. Logic and religion |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 5:41am On Apr 04, 2013 |
@Rey: Let's get two things straight. - Sleep paralysis is not an 'atheist' explanation of the scary experience known as sleep paralysis. It's a medical explanation. So it doesn't matter if atheists accept it or not, just as it doesn't matter if atheists tell you to take medication for a headache. You don't attack atheism.. - If sleep paralysis is the right explanation of this experience, it doesn't in anyway disprove God or evil spirits. In my opinion, it's just another in the millions of episodes where common sense beats superstition. Also, if you're going to subscribe to scientific methods, you'd have to subscribe to them fully. Earlier, I advised that you monitor the sleeping pattern of the 'patient'. I'm sorry, but till that's done, I won't answer any further questions. Personal musing: Seems like you would like to push us till we say we do not know, till we have no logical explanation for these happenings. This perfectly illustrates what most atheists on NL have been pointing out for years: our ignorance should lead us forward towards discovery, not push us further backwards into fear and superstition. Think, it's not illegal yet. 2 Likes |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by pomporiking: 5:53am On Apr 04, 2013 |
I have seen and been tru enough in this life that nobody can change ma beliefs.must they use science to explain everything!!sleep paralysis is fine,buh don't you dare generalise it and say demons don't prey on people while they are asleep.that's just bullsh*t |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by pomporiking: 5:55am On Apr 04, 2013 |
I have seen and been tru enough in this life that nobody can change ma beliefs.must they use science to explain everything!!sleep paralysis is fine,buh don't you dare generalise it and say demons don't prey on people while they are asleep.that's just bullsh*t If they are so smart let dem cure cancer and aids |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 5:58am On Apr 04, 2013 |
pompori king: I have seen and been tru enough in this life that nobody can change ma beliefs.must they use science to explain everything!!sleep paralysis is fine,buh don't you dare generalise it and say demons don't prey on people while they are asleep.that's just bullsh*tAnd when cancer and aids are cured, what will you move onto? What has your God ever cured? Malaria, amongst others, was once caused by demons or witches. Today, they can be treated for as little as 10 naira. Maybe it will take an epidemic to ravage Africa before we embrace science and knowledge as hope for our future. Smh. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by pomporiking: 6:54am On Apr 04, 2013 |
musKeeto: You can say what you like.all I know is there is the physical and the spiritual,not physical and science.they are the same white trolls that brought their religion to africa that made us abandon our roots.we would have been a better continent if they didn't come.am not really a christian but I believe in God and demons.just cos you don't believe in something doesn't make it wrong |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by ril19(m): 6:55am On Apr 04, 2013 |
it is 1:52 a.m and i'm just awakened by one of these stuff we're talking about. How awkward! Now see how it happened.something held me down, i couldn't move an inch. I exerted great energy trying to break loose or at least, move away. In the process, i could hear myself groaning subconsciously. I continued with thesame amount of energy until i broke loose and then it seemed to me like i saw something fly away from me. It was was scary. I was tired. I started feeling a presence in my room. By this time, i had already lit the torch on my little nokia phone and i could see now. I picked up my other phone and the next place i found myself was on this thread. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 7:03am On Apr 04, 2013 |
ril19: it is 1:52 a.m and i'm just awakened by one of these stuff we're talking about. How awkward! Now see how it happened.something held me down, i couldn't move an inch. I exerted great energy trying to break loose or at least, move away. In the process, i could hear myself groaning subconsciously. I continued with thesame amount of energy until i broke loose and then it seemed to me like i saw something fly away from me. It was was scary. I was tired. I started feeling a presence in my room. By this time, i had already lit the torch on my little nokia phone and i could see now. I picked up my other phone and the next place i found myself was on this thread.lol, really? |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by adoniza(m): 7:13am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Now I know better |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by trolling(m): 7:30am On Apr 04, 2013 |
One has to experience the spirit world before others can relate to it |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by trolling(m): 7:35am On Apr 04, 2013 |
One thing I gat to say is this "Fear" has torment so it's from "Fear" people experience this attacks natural and spiritual |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 7:36am On Apr 04, 2013 |
ezme:Lol@trying to win the argument. That is a most childish thing I don't try to do. As a matter of fact, you are deliberately missing the point. It baffles me if what you term as true is that which is documented. How did you come about this brother? |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by arimahoseloka(m): 7:43am On Apr 04, 2013 |
All this is bull-crAP, scientists always looking for a logical explanation for things they dont understand. this is no sleep paralysis but manupulation of witchcraft. when i pray it goes away. when am unserious with God it comes back. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 7:46am On Apr 04, 2013 |
arimahoseloka: All this is bull-crAP, scientists always looking for a logical explanation for things they dont understand. this is no sleep paralysis but manupulation of witchcraft. when i pray it goes away. when am unserious with God it comes back.Wow... amazing foolishness... maybe you can throw your pc and other computer devices you own into a pit latrine and burn them.. then pray and post spiritually on NL.. wonderful foolishness though... shocked me.. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 7:47am On Apr 04, 2013 |
wiegraf:Wiegraf, you are trying to miss the point too. The post you are quoting is isolated to the point my friend ezme is trying to pass across. As we've witnessed so far, he questions the basis for a event told by AnOnimus, which is geered towards countering sleep paralysis, to be true, and ends up neglecting to do same for sleep paralysis and somnambulism respectively. The phenomenon we should be out to understand. Now, he's lying on the word 'document' as the divide and determining factor, and the problem is even more complicated. Is the word now the yardstick for measuring true and false events, that I'd like to know? |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 8:09am On Apr 04, 2013 |
musKeeto: @Rey:Muskeeto, my bro, I never intended to associate sleep paralysis(though it seems you've forgotten our new explanation so soon-somnambulism) with the atheist. The atheists in the house just seem to love to hang on it as the perfect explanation for that which they do not understand. And as it implies, if you are going to hold that a position is true, you must be familiar with the questions that may likely spring from holding such position. Our atheist in the house, when it comes to the sciences, leave their 'normal' logical cap behind. 'Science is almighty'. For sleep paralysis(again, where is somnambulism) to be the right thing, it must be able to accomodate the questions which arise from what it tries to explain. Has it answered the question? The answer is No. Mind you, my standing as an opposition to it, does not imply, it must be attributed to God. Get that correctly. To even suggest, I monitor the sleep pattern of the patient is what a comprehensive report should have done. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Azubreezy(m): 8:17am On Apr 04, 2013 |
It angers me, the way white people think they have a scientific explanation to everything that happens. Dear friends, sleep paralysis is a white man's way of saying 'pressing'. I experience it most times and I have a viable remedy for it. It works for me. You are not obliged to believe this but if you find yourself in this situation, b4 u go to bed, put a broom across the entrance of your apartment and another one at the entrance of your room. Also put a bible and a knife or any of both under your pillow. If you are alone in d room, you can sleep naked if you wish or if u are comfy doing so. They won't press you no more. Trust me, it works. It's been working for me since I was 8. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 8:25am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Reyginus: I honestly believe you're mixing things up. SLEEP paralysis doesnt address MYSTERY MARKS, it addresses "DEMONIC MASSAGE aka PRESSING"... |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 8:27am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Funny statement, Rey... |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by realist01(m): 8:37am On Apr 04, 2013 |
From observations i can confidently tell you lot that the issue is not just the fact that what the term "witch pressing" have been scientifically debunked to be known as "sleep paralysis" is not understood by the majority but the fact on ground is africans (mostly) do not want to retract from their superstitious beliefs, its like the thoughts of spirits and Gods are very soothing to their minds. No matter how a philosopher explains this issue over and over my brothers (africans) would always prefer to hold on to superstition. Most nigerian youths have no direction in their lives, so the whole idea of doing away with mythical "Gods" and religious spirituality that in a large extent gives them hope, is a price too rigid for them to pay. Truth be said, witches and Gods are myths..we live in a completely natural world and its right time you lot do away with cheap "religious activities" and accept reality. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by realist01(m): 8:47am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Azubreezy: It angers me, the way white people think they have a scientific explanation to everything that happens. Dear friends, sleep paralysis is a white man's way of saying 'pressing'. I experience it most times and I have a viable remedy for it. It works for me. You are not obliged to believe this but if you find yourself in this situation, b4 u go to bed, put a broom across the entrance of your apartment and another one at the entrance of your room. Also put a bible and a knife or any of both under your pillow. If you are alone in d room, you can sleep naked if you wish or if u are comfy doing so. They won't press you no more. Trust me, it works. It's been working for me since I was 8. Bro you have being brainwashed seriously that it would be hard for u to accept scientific reality. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Dandy1(m): 8:48am On Apr 04, 2013 |
Azubreezy: It angers me, the way white people think they have a scientific explanation to everything that happens. Dear friends, sleep paralysis is a white man's way of saying 'pressing'. I experience it most times and I have a viable remedy for it. It works for me. You are not obliged to believe this but if you find yourself in this situation, b4 u go to bed, put a broom across the entrance of your apartment and another one at the entrance of your room. Also put a bible and a knife or any of both under your pillow. If you are alone in d room, you can sleep naked if you wish or if u are comfy doing so. They won't press you no more. Trust me, it works. It's been working for me since I was 8.Your way of reasoning amazes me.You are so far gone beyond remedy. Without western enlightenment,this would av been how most Africans would still be reasoning.Imagine if the whole world still think like this? We would still be in d stone age.SMH for we Africans and our level of ignorance. |
Re: Sleep Paralysis or Being 'Pressed' At Night - Natural or Supernatural? by Nobody: 8:53am On Apr 04, 2013 |
musKeeto:No, I'm not. Just trying to make you see the inconsistency on display. You are refusing to tow the line you brought into the thread. The initial problem was sleep paralysis, by the way, you inculcated sleepwalking also known as somnambulism. Now, I get confused anytime you mention sleep paralysis, instead of the supposed somnambulism you recommended. |
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