frosbel:

So the Holy Spirit is GOD we agree but God is a Spirit, please explain.

frosbel:


Revelation 4;5. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

Could it be the the same Spirit acting in different capacities ? I am not sure. But we all know God has 1 Spirit for God is Spirit.

"The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord." - Isaiah 11:2

1 Spirit of the LORD,
2 Spirit of wisdom,
3 Spirit of understanding,
4 Spirit of counsel,
5 Spirit of power,
6 Spirit of knowledge,
7 Spirit of the fear of the Lord.

frosbel:

So how come Spirit is used in the singular as per below ?

"these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:10

Pygru: Beware of Frosbel, Ijawkid & Seriallink
I like their anti catholism stance, but most of their teachings are laced with false doctrines

Beware Of Goshen360 and Okeyxyz ;they said premarital se.x btw two consenting adults (Fornication in my Bible) is not a sin.

Also Beware of the catholic crew led by Italo and assisted by chukwudi44, ubenedictus, striktlymi etc

Ayomivic:
please add Obadiah77 to the list. He teaches that black people are in their hell now and that only 144,000 will go to heaven.

Pygru:
everybody know am, so no need for that.
sometimes I confuse him for Advocate666
They have thesame modus operandi

alexleo:

In your own little mind. Your analysis are of no use to me though.

ijawkid:

They might not be of use to you now......

I've put down pertinent points that should make all of us do our home work......

I knw u to be a good bible student......I like your stance on the subject of who the true God is........

You can always do more research...

Pygru: Do not be carried away by their popularity, command of english, Head knowledge of the Bible, Sugar coated tongue, etc
The comming of the Lord is at hand (rapture).
Satan, their master is figthing tooth and nail to deceive.

alexleo:
My dear, I dont have anything to study much here because Mathew 28:19 says- 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Father- a being
The son - a being
The Holy Spirit- a being.

Asking me the name of the Holy Spirit is irrelevant( and mind you he is called the comforter,the advocate etc. these are also a form of names) or you want him to answer ijawkid? NO. His name is also the Holy spirit or Holy Ghost. You cant force him to answer the kind of name you want or expect. For him to be mentioned together with the father and the son by Jesus himself is self explanatory. i dont need all those your researches. I read the bible and believe it the way it is. Thanks.

alexleo:
My dear, I dont have anything to study much here because Mathew 28:19 says- 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Father- a being
The son - a being
The Holy Spirit- a being.

Asking me the name of the Holy Spirit is irrelevant( and mind you he is called the comforter,the advocate etc. these are also a form of names) or you want him to answer ijawkid? NO. His name is also the Holy spirit or Holy Ghost. You cant force him to answer the kind of name you want or expect. For him to be mentioned together with the father and the son by Jesus himself is self explanatory. i dont need all those your researches. I read the bible and believe it the way it is. Thanks.

alexleo:

EXACTLY. We really have to be careful so that one deOsnt miss heaven because of believing a cheap gospel. i want the gospel as raw as it is. I dont need any sugar or whatever added to it. Its the flesh that drives all these cheap gospel to make people feel good with their sin. GOD BLESS YOU.

ijawkid:

What do you understand by one been baptized in the name of something,someonÉ or anything??......what does the expression ""in the name of"" mean??


The holy spirit cannot be the name of a ¶erson.......can't you just understand that??......

Ok let me hint you on this.....

It is true that all the angels in heaven are spirits and also are holy.....

But as we know they all have names....i Can't wake Up and call angel gabriel holy spirit, because he is a person....its not a mistake when I ask what the name of the holy spirit is......the question is as valid as asking what is the name of the Father or the son........

Remember we are dealing with one who you guys claim is a person beyond reasonable doubt.....all I need is the name.....

But first of all tell me what it means to be baptized in the name of the Father ,son and holy spirit.....

They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.

How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar

If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?
Acts 5:3-5
New International Version (NIV)
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version (KJV)
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world tocome

Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?
Acts 9:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?
Acts 28:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers

How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?
Acts 7:51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye

How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?
Romans 8:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?
Does a Force speak, teach and comfort
How can a Force be blasphamed

About the TRINITY :

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126

According to the Catholics themselves....

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”

New Bible Dictionary 1982
"The word trinity is not found in the Bible . . ."
". . . it did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century."

". . . it is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formation of it can be found in the Bible, . . ."
"Scripture does not give us a formulated doctrine of the trinity, . . ."

The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism 1995
". . . scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of the trinity as such in either the Old Testament or the New Testament."

The Encyclopedia Americana 1956
"Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian (believing in one God). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."

The Complete Word Study Old Testament 1994
"To the Jew, (Deut. 6:4-9) this is the most important text in the Old Testament. Jesus himself called the injunction in 6:5 'the first and great commandment' Matt.22:36-38. . . Moses is teaching not only the priority of belief in one God, but also a means to preserve that belief. As time went on, the proper understanding of the Shema with its spiritual implications was no longer grasped by the people. This absence of saving knowledge became a factor in their spiritual downfall."

Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel 1870
"The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches . . . This Greek philosopher's (Plato, 4th century BC) conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all ancient (pagan) religion

It would be an understatement to say that Constantine was a crooked politician; yet this is the man who is mainly responsible for the Nicene Creed's doctrine of the coequal, coeternal, one substance three in one God. One day he is setting the doctrine for the Christian church another day he is murdering people; it would seem that to anyone with any common sense that formulating church doctrine should not be done by a non-repentant murderer. How many of you would like to have a non-repentant murderer setting your Christian doctrine? Yet if you believe the Nicene Creed you have done just that.

Documents of the Christian Church 2nd Ed 1963 Henery Bettenson
"The decisions of Nicea were really the work of a minority, and they were misunderstood and disliked by many"

Forgers of the Word 1983 Victor Paul Wierwille
"The truth of Jesus Christ the Son of God was deliberately forged into the doctrine of God the Son. Seeds of Jesus Christ as God were planted and sprouted during the lifetime of Paul, continued growing during Timothy's lifetime and flourished shortly thereafter, reaching full bloom for all future creeds by 325 AD"

"The doctrine that Jesus Christ the Son of God was God the son was decreed by worldly and ecclesiastical powers. Men were forced to accept it at the point of the sword or else, Thus, the error of the trinity was propounded to the end that ultimately people believed it to be the truth. Thus Christianity became in essence like Babylonian heathenism, with only a veneer of Christian names."


A History of Christianity Volume 1 1997 Kenneth Scott Latourette
"To enforce the decisions of the Council of Nicea, Constantine commanded, with the death penalty for disobedience, the burning of all books composed by Arius, banished Arius and his closest supporters, and deposed from their sees Eusebius of Nicomedia and another bishop who had been active in the support of Arius."


The Rise of Christianity 1985 W.H.C. Frend
"the controversial term, defining the son as Consubstantial with [homoousios] the father was introduced by Constantine. The term was objectionable to any Origenist bishop and had been rejected by Dionysius of Alexandria when used by the Libyan bishops, and the Council of Antioch"

"The great majority of the eastern bishops were placed in a false position. they dared not challenge the emperor"

A History of the Christian Church 2nd Ed. 1985 Williston Walker
"The majority (of the bishops) were conservatives in the sense that they represented . . . subordinationism of the eastern tradition. The Emperor himself was present at the assembly and dominated its proceedings."

"From the very beginning, however, people like Eusebius of Caesarea had doubts about the (Nicene) creed, doubts focused on the word 'homoousios'. (Greek for one substance) . . . The term was non-Scriptural, it had a very doubtful theological history."

"Eusebius of Nicomedia and all save two of the other bishops, signed the creed-willing no doubt, to go along with what the emperor wanted. Yet he and many others continued to suspect its language."

The majority of the bishops at the council of Nicea believed in what is called subordinationism, which is a belief that Jesus Christ is subordinate to God the Father, not coequal, not coeternal, and not God the Son. The teachings of Arius were condemned in 325, but the teachings of Arius did not die, by 359 Arianism was widely accepted, that is until the minority trinitarian bishops found another emperor that they could get to propose their trinitarian creed at the Council of Constantinople in 381.

Man's Religions John B. Noss 1968
"The doctrine of the trinity he [Michael Servetus] felt to be a Catholic perversion and himself to be a good New Testament Christian in combating it. . . According to his conception, a trinity composed of three distinct persons in one God is a rational impossibility;"


Saying that Jesus Christ is not God does not degrade Jesus Christ it merely sets things in their proper order so we can know God and worship Him in spirit and truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way the truth and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

The problem with those who believe in the trinity is that they are bound my tradition.



culled from an article posted on my blog :

http://unitednigerianchurch..co.uk/2012/09/an-appeal-to-trinitarian-christians-by.html

frosbel: Be careful who you call a false teacher because you might actually be the false teacher.

Pygru:

anti Hell
anti Nomianism
anti rapture
anti Godhead(trinity)
pro Purgatory
pro Mary worship

beware of them

Pygru:

anti Hell
anti Nomianism
anti rapture
anti Godhead(trinity)
pro Purgatory
pro Mary worship

beware of them

ijawkid:

Who is an anti Godhead??......

Do you even know what the term Godhead means??...or you just like to type on your screen......

Pygru:

Main Entry: god·head
Pronunciation: \- ˌ hed\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English godhed, from god + -hed -hood; akin to Middle English -hod -hood
Date: 13th century
1 : divine nature or essence 2 capitalized a : god 1 b : the nature of God especially as existing in three persons —used with the
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Main Entry: god·head
Pronunciation: \- ˌ hed\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English godhed, from god + -hed -hood; akin to Middle English -hod -hood
Date: 13th century
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frosbel: ^^^^^^


I say God forbid to the above.

The truth is as follows :

1. God the Father or Yahweh who is inseparable from his Spirit or Holy Spirit.
2. Jesus Christ who is the Son of Yahweh and subordinate to Yahweh.

Pygru:

Main Entry: god·head
Pronunciation: \- ˌ hed\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English godhed, from god + -hed -hood; akin to Middle English -hod -hood
Date: 13th century
1 : divine nature or essence 2 capitalized a : god 1 b : the nature of God especially as existing in [b ]three persons[/b] —used with the
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frosbel:

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Pygru: Matthew 24:11 ►
New International Version (©2011)
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets , which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardlythey are ravening wolves.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shallbe according to their works.

Do not be carried away by their popularity, command of english, Head knowledge of the Bible, Sugar coated tongue, etc
A false prophet/teacher will not come to you with horns
They are very subtle; Just like the serpent that deceived Eve.
The comming of the Lord is at hand (rapture).
Satan, their master is figthing tooth and nail to deceive.

[b]What Jw's believe, but won't initially tell people when they knock on doors and ask if they think the world would be better off without war, suffering, sickness and child abuse:
1. If you become a JW and then leave them because of their false teachings, you will be literally shunned. You family that remain in the organization will not be permitted to even talk to you!
2. The Watchtower Society is the only source of truth on earth today and your soul will be destroyed if you refuse their organization.
3. The Watchtower Society and its followers are all prophets of God today and the Governing Body is directed by angels from God.
4. The Watchtower and Awake magazines originate with and are treated as equal to the Bible.
5. They deny the that God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
6. They deny the deity of Christ (Arian view) Jesus is a created being also called Michael the archangel, and was the first and only direct creation of God.
7. Jesus was not the Christ (Messiah) until age 30, even though their own bible says in Luke 2:11, "because there was born to you today a savior, who is Christ the Lord."
8. They deny the bodily resurrection. After Jesus was buried in the tomb, Jehovah dissolved his body into gases and it disappeared forever.
9. Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so Jehovah had to "materialize" a fake body forhim complete with fake nail prints so His disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.
10. They deny the personality of the Holy Spirit(viewed by the Watchtower organization as "God's active force", similar to radio waves)
11. They deny man consciously survives death.
12. They teach the eternal punishment of the lost is annihilation.
13. They deny the bodily, visible return of Christ (Christ's "return" was only His"turning his attention" invisibly toward earth in 1914, and there was an invisible"rapture" of the dead members of the 144,000 in 1918.)
14. The cross is a pagan symbol of sex worship, and that all buildings or persons displaying the cross are likewise pagan. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus died on a cross but a stake. However, recent"new light" in the Watchtower now admitsthey are not certain about the cross, but will continue to deny it anyway. Further, the watchtower originally claimed it was across.
15. No one goes to heaven but 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
16. They teach Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000, not the average Jw.
17. Teach only the 144,000 must be "born again", not the average Jw.
18. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc. were to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925. The Society built a palatial home called"Beth Sarim" for them BUT when the patriarchs failed to show up, the Presidentof the Society moved in.
19. Their light gets "brighter and brighter", allowing for many changes and "about faces" on their doctrines. Yesterday's erroris today's "truth". Often the "light" bounces back and forth from old to new views and back again! (Might we call this discarded truth... "black Light"?)
20. Blood transfusions are rejected and if a Witness receives one willingly, it results in his eternal death. However, the society allows Hemopheliacs to consume blood for medical purposes to save their life.
21. To salute the flag is an act of idolatry.
22. Participation in any civil holidays, mothers day, birthdays brings condemnation of God.
23. Only persons who use the true name of God, Jehovah, will have their prayers heardby God. No salvation is possible without using the name "Jehovah "[/b]

Pygru: Ijawkid and truthislight

Pls I need an answer to the following questions
Did Jesus christ Die on a stake or Cross

Is Michael the archangel Jesus