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Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 10:43am On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY USING ONE SCRIPTURE? WHAT OF THE OTHER SCRIPTURES THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN OTHER THREADS OVER THIS SAME ISSUE? HAS YOUR OWN SUBMISSIONS BEEN CONVINCING ENOUGH TO ME? NO. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 10:45am On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: You are bound by church tradition, may God open your eyes so that you will use your independent thought process and perform a proper dividing of the word of God , not according to Apostolic faith but according to the Bible. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 11:23am On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel:We are all made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. The spirit of man, also called the spirit of life or the breath of life, is mentioned in the scriptures more than any other spirit. When Adam was created, he had the spirit of life breathed into his body and he became a living soul (Genesis 2:7); he became spirit, soul and a breathing body; three parts all wrapped up in one package. God gives breath and spirit to all the people on the earth (Isaiah 42:5). Without the spirit of man, our bodies are lifeless (James 2:26). It is the spirit that is tormented in hades. The dead person feels pain, heat, anguish, thirst, discomfort; they can talk, reason and pray; they can still love their families and be concerned for them (Luke 16:23 to 31). |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 11:41am On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: @ Bidam and Alexeo :The story of the rich man and Lazarus clearly shows that after physical death they were very much aware of their circumstances and what was going on around them. The Apostle Paul stated that for the believer “to live is Christ, and to die is gain” (see Phil. 1:21-23), indicating that this is in fact the case. That he had “a desire to depart (this life)” to be with the Lord tells us that he expected to consciously experience something “far better” than can be found in this life. This means that at the time of physical death believers will “gain” something. As precious as the believer’s life “in Christ” is in the here and now, it will be greatly enhanced when he leaves it to enter into the presence of the Lord. Paul’s statement that “to live is Christ” speaks of a purposeful life lived in service to and for the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by ijawkid(m): 11:41am On Apr 11, 2013 |
Bidam: We are all made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. The spirit of man, also called the spirit of life or the breath of life, is mentioned in the scriptures more than any other spirit. When Adam was created, he had the spirit of life breathed into his body and he became a living soul (Genesis 2:7); he became spirit, soul and a breathing body; three parts all wrapped up in one package. God gives breath and spirit to all the people on the earth (Isaiah 42:5). Without the spirit of man, our bodies are lifeless (James 2:26). I hope and adam and eve are facing the story you just wrote up there??........... Bidam your exposition is just so false....... Does not even agree with the genesis account........ Smh!!!!!!!....... |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by ijawkid(m): 11:44am On Apr 11, 2013 |
And bidam before I forget the spirit is the breath of life.............. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:01pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
@ijawkid For the sake of argument, let us agree it is a parable. Does dt mean it didn't happen? Jesus na fiction writer now. If Hell was nt real would Jesus wouldn't hv said there was such a place, would He? Obviously, something like dt HAD occured or had d possibilty of happening. It then presupposes dt ur claim abt wht happens after death according to ur account is faulty |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 12:09pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: If believing the bible truth is what makes me bound by my church traditions, then so be it. I cannot throw the teachings i receive from my church away in the name of being independent. In my church and in some churches we have what we call bible review classes before the actual teaching of any topic is brought to the public. In that class, everybody contributes to the lesson and points are looked into critically. THAT ARRANGEMENT IS STILL FAR BETTER THAN YOUR ONE MAN STUDY THING. Yet there are some issues i disagree with them. YOU ARE ALSO GUILTY OF WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME, YOU WANT TO CAGE ME WITH YOUR FALSE TEACHING? I REFUSE SIR. YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE YOUR ONE MAN STUDY RESULT AND DROP THE ONE THAT OTHER PEOPLE MADE INPUT? NO SIR. If you write anything and am convinced about it then i ll agree. EVEN IF EVERYBODY AGREES WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE, I WILL NOT. EXCEPT AM CONVINCED. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:15pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
[quote author=Bidam]We are all made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. The spirit of man, also called the spirit of life or the breath of life, is mentioned in the scriptures more than any other spirit. When Adam was created, he had the spirit of life breathed into his body and he became a living soul (Genesis 2:7); he became spirit, soul and a breathing body; three parts all wrapped up in one package. God gives breath and spirit to all the people on the earth (Isaiah 42:5). Without the spirit of man, our bodies are lifeless (James 2:26). Wow, you have a very distorted view of scripture , I fear for those you preach to. Gen 2:7 said God breathed the breath of life into MAN , it did not say spirit ? God formed MAN from the dust and gave him life but this life is not a person, it is a gift from God. When God takes away this gift we return to dust , no ? It is the spirit that is tormented in hades. Mate, you are now either lying or to proud to confess that you have held a PAGAN concept as truth. Solomon under inspiration stated that the spirit, which really is the gift of life , returns back to GOD, and apostle Bidam disputes Solomon by saying that the spirit goes to hell to be tormented, lol. Your position is getting worse by the minute. It is the spirit that is tormented in hades. The dead person feels pain, heat, anguish, thirst, discomfort; they ah, back to the only scripture that supports your heresy , Lazarus and the rich man . But how can a spirit have a hand, tongue etc which are physically attributes ? And where does the soul go to, if the spirit is tormented ? |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:18pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ijawkid: Bidam is terribly mired in error all over the place from tithes to hell and many other doctrines. He needs humility and prayer. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:22pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: Apostolic faith teachings are MAN teachings not GOD teachings, if you as a mature person cannot use your brain and think for yourself, letting other people to do the thinking , it is a BIG Shame. Be a Berean brother : "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." - Acts 17:11 A 'whole' Apostle Paul's teachings were subject to a thorough scrutiny by these noble believers , talk less of Apostolic faith or Deeperlife., why should I or we not challenge whether what they say is true or false. SMH. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 12:31pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: @ijawkid My dear, leave this people they are just making noise and claiming they know the scripture more than others(especially ijawkid). If you talk about the Holy Spirit ijawkid will ask you whats his name. Talk about the story of lazarus and the rich man he will ask you whats the name of the rich man. Do i need any other thing to confirm that this is the fruits of a false teacher. To them Jesus is a comedian who just talk anyhow and he may have probably been drunk the day he talked about the story of lazarus and the rich man? GOD IS EXPOSING THESE PEOPLE TO SHAME. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:36pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
If Apostolic faith are wrong on denying medicine to their children or members, calling their pastors reverend , preaching the false doctrine of tithe, I am sure they must be wrong on many other doctrines. It is sad to see mature and able brethren turn into religious fanatics by suspending their brains and follow following other MEN. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 12:37pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: AND YOUR TEACHINGS ARE SATAN TEACHINGS. THE MORE REASON I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU. YOU WANT ME TO SCRUTINIZE APOSTOLIC FAITH TEACHING AND SWALLOW YOUR OWN? UNREASONABLE TALK. I CANNOT TAKE THIS TEACHING FROM YOU FROSBEL, ITS SATANIC. Would you like to hit your head on the wall for that? GO AHEAD. If disagreeing with you and agreeing with Apostolic Faith is a problem to you thats your business. I couldnt be bothered. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:44pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: If Apostolic faith were wrong on denying medicine to their children or members, calling their pastors reverend , preaching the false doctrine of tithe, I am sure they must be wrong on many other doctrines. It is sad to see mature and able brethren turn into religious fanatics by suspending their brains and follow following other MEN. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 12:45pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: If Apostolic faith are wrong on denying medicine to their children or members, calling their pastors reverend , preaching the false doctrine of tithe, I am sure they must be wrong on many other doctrines. STOP MAKING NOISE YOU ARE A SHAME TO CHRISTIANITY BY YOUR SENSELESS TWISTING OF THE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF HELL. NONSENSE. FIRST YOU ACCUSED US OF BEING BRAIN WASHED BY CATHOLICS, NEXT YOU SAID ITS A PAGAN TEACHING, NOW YOU BROUGHT IN APOSTOLIC FAITH. WHY ARE YOU RUNNING LIKE A DESPERATE MAN SEEKING FOR WHAT YOU WILL USE TO ACCUSE US? AND THIS HAS BEEN YOUR STYLE EACH TIME YOU THINK YOU ARE LOSING IN ANY ISSUE. BE REASONABLE MY FRIEND AND STOP THE NONSENSE. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:48pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: I am not afraid of Hell dear brother, I am trying to deliver you from religious fanaticism , I was once a fanatic, believing everything I was told like a dumb sheep and swallowing all the church doctrines hook line and sinker. I eventually got burnt and almost lost my life in your church , this prompted me to start a thorough analysis of all my beliefs held in the light of scripture. Religious fanaticism is dangerous !! |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:55pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
No insults brethren. No denomination insults. Is this hw we correct ppl? Pls let ur coversation be seasoned with salt |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
I will continue 2 ask questions & if u hv an answer for me pls state it. No more denomination ranting. Abeg una o |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 1:00pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
frosbel: CARRY YOUR USELESS DELIVERANCE AND GET OUT OF MY WAY. AS IF I SUPPORT MY CHURCH STAND ON THE ISSUE OF MEDICATION. DELIVER YOURSELF OF THE DECEIT YOU HAVE ENTERED INTO IN YOUR USELESS ONE MAN BIBLE RESEARCH. EACH TIME YOU ARE LOSING IN ARGUMENT YOU START CALLING CHURCHES, AN ATTITUDE OF A DROWNING MAN. GROW UP AND STOP ENGAGING IN THIS SHOW OF SHAME. WHEN YOU SPEAK THE ONE THAT IS TRUE I LL TELL YOU. AS FOR THIS TOPIC, YOU ARE ON A FALSE PATH AND I WONT FOLLOW YOU. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 1:02pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Read the bible people. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Boomark(m): 1:14pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: I have always known you as someone that Don't know, Does not want to know and Doesn't know. You are still influenced by some of you stiff olden days pastors who are strict and thinks they are all on the right path. I was waiting to learn from you but you could not answer the question. A way of running away from the question. I have seen that before. The bible did not say the story of Lazarus was a parable or real. How then do we know? Buy reasoning and answering questions of what happened in the story. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by ijawkid(m): 3:36pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: @ijawkid Agree it is a parable first..I've shown clearly that it is a parable.......haven't I?...alexleo asked for it and I showed him..... Now the question you should ask yourself is what was the meaning of the parable??....what point was Jesus trying to drive home??......have you asked yourself these questions??............ |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 3:39pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
I hv agreed it is a parable. Pls enlighten me |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by ijawkid(m): 3:42pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
alexleo: Now you act like my questions are irrelevant.....how can every being on earth and in heaven have there personal names except the holy spirit whom you confidently claim is a person??......... I have exposed your jejuneness with the scriptures as to the fact that what we have on ground is a parable.............and if its a parable what point was Jesus making??........ ask yourself this question and stop calling me ""I too sabi"" |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 4:35pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Teach us, ijawkid U kinda like getting distracted & working urself into a frenzy. If u hv something to share, pls tell |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by alexleo(m): 10:56pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Boomark: YOU DONT NEED TO LEARN FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT KNOW AND DOES NOT WANT TO KNOW. VERY UNREASONABLE OF YOU TO DO SUCH A THING. SO WHY WAITING TO LEARN FROM ME? |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 7:49am On Apr 12, 2013 |
Its people like @alexleo and @Bidam that will call the people of ALUU community WICKED for burning up 4 young boys, yet they claim God will burn billions of people including babies and little ones (there's nothing like age of accountability in the bible) FOREVER for not accepting jesus. Close your eyes and imagine that those 4 boys are STILL burning as we speak since last year for a sin committed in just a day. Imagine one of them was your brother, son,friend etc. God is love. Study your bible |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 7:52am On Apr 12, 2013 |
@Segeggs, Wht do u say abt d case of d rich man & lazarus? We r currently dissecting dt part of d scripture |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 8:02am On Apr 12, 2013 |
Segeggs: Its people like @alexleo and @Bidam that will call the people of ALUU community WICKED for burning up 4 young boys, yet they claim God will burn billions of people including babies and little ones (there's nothing like age of accountability in the bible) FOREVER for not accepting jesus. I agree with you on the part where there is no one burning currently in a hell but the bible is very clear on the age of accountability. This hell doctrine is a sadistic doctrine of demons. |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 8:28am On Apr 12, 2013 |
frosbel:age of accountability-where in the bible? |
Re: What Is The State Of The Dead? by Nobody: 8:31am On Apr 12, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: @Segeggs,it's a parable. Parables can be interpreted to mean different things but not hell doctrine in the case of lazarus and the rich man. |
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