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What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 9:37am On Apr 28, 2013 |
On my journey to self enlightenment, I have had lots of experiences both good and bad, before I became an agnostic I practiced lots of religions that deal with occult mysticism, and I gathered a knowledge or two about the supernatural, So my stance on the issue of supernatural occurrences is that of the affirmative, I believe in supernatural occurrences. As I have experienced them first hand. What made me create this topic is the growing trend of atheists who go about with the assertion that there are no metaphysical happenings, that everything can be explained and that the things that can not be explained now, are probably things that science has not fully comprehended and will soon demystify in the nearest future, I could understand this stance coming from an atheist who lives in the western world, but I will not take it from an atheist who was born and bred up here in Africa, Nigeria especially, My reasons being we as africans have one way or the other seen first hand or heard (from eye witness accounts) numerous tales of things beyond human comprehension, from either seeing unbroken eggs in glass bottles to seeing lots of crucifixes in glass bottles, how where these things made to happen? It's beyond human comprehension, and like so many other numerous tales of supernatural experiences heard from friends and family, So it baffles me when I see atheists like Ooman, muskeeto, regynius, logicboy, ezme, Rossikk, and the rest of the bandwagon, try to give rational explanation for issues beyond their comprehension, I'm not saying that we should continue to chase shadows like ezme would say, no, but we should give an open mind to issues that try to enlighten us on the occurrence of metaphysical happenings, Thank God for science, now we are able to explain many of the things our ancestors regarded as supernatural, now we know that these were just natural occurrences Caused by mother nature, but the truth still remains that there are things even the almighty science will never be able to give good explanations for. So my fellow freethinkers, be objective in your discussions about the supernatural. But I would like to hear your opinions on this issue as well. 12 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 10:10am On Apr 28, 2013 |
This is embarassing.. bolaino:Reyginus is a Christian.. bolaino:And what exactly are these experiences? bolaino:Superstitions thrive where there's mass ignorance. Even within Nigeria, most of these so called happenings are said to happen in the 'VILLAGES'.. Little wonder, most would direct you to go to their villages for 'proof'.. Less SCIENCE, more SUPERSTITION, dense IGNORANCE.. bolaino: ![]() bolaino:Science isn't beyond human comprehension, and its tales can mostly be replicated. Get educated. This is the Information Age. Stop using free internet to browse p0rn, facebook and free cheats. ![]() 12 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 10:49am On Apr 28, 2013 |
musKeeto: This is embarassing..lol, I just can't stop laughing, muskeeto hav kee meee, lol, I made a mistake by including regynius, my bad, the name just came to me, while I was typing, Indeed you're right superstition thrives where there is ignorance I very well agree, and another thing I know is the belief system of a group of people matters a lot, and most of these mystical occurrences happen where these people share a close affinity to. Belief system that gives credence to metaphysical happenings, but there is enough evidence to support their claims in these happenings, hence their belief in them, Unlike people living in countries like switzerland where religion is minimal, the possibilities of metaphysical happenings there is rare, because the belief system of the people there does not suPport supernatural occurrences, my point is these forces who control the metaphysical world rely on belief, If you believe then it'll happen, and for those who believe they've seen things happen, And your experiment about the egg in a bottle, forgive my ignorance, as no man can claim absolute knowledge of everything, but I would like u to perform the experiment and show me results, and also u did'nt give an explanation to the crucifix in the glass bottle, Pls quote me where I said science is beyond human comprehension, it's even absurd for u to have mentioned that, science was created by humans so how can it be beyond our comprehension? I only said there are things that science can not give GOOD EXPLANATIONS for, And I don't facebook or watch porn, lol, muskeeto u dey show urself shebi? 5 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 11:25am On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: On my journey to self enlightenment, I have had lots of experiences both good and bad, before I became an agnostic I practiced lots of religions that deal with occult mysticism, and I gathered a knowledge or two about the supernatural, So my stance on the issue of supernatural occurrences is that of the affirmative, I believe in supernatural occurrences. As I have experienced them first hand. Most of the things people claim are supernatural events, are just natural events that can not be explained. . .Example we have magicains that use tricks to deceieve that they have supernatural abilities, but when they explain their tricks you discover that it is just some esoteric natural knowledge they used. . . 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 2:32pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
mazaje:yeah talking about magic, there's an american magician by the name of criss angel, he walks on water and he levitates, and believe u me, it's no trick, u need to watch it for urself and believe, so what do u have to say about something like that? 3 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 2:45pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: On my journey to self enlightenment, I have had lots of experiences both good and bad, before I became an agnostic I practiced lots of religions that deal with occult mysticism, and I gathered a knowledge or two about the supernatural, So my stance on the issue of supernatural occurrences is that of the affirmative, I believe in supernatural occurrences. As I have experienced them first hand. I think the tag freethinker would be better as I have not ruled out totally the existence of a supreme being. I just don't trust the bible stories anymore. 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 2:56pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: yeah talking about magic, there's an american magician by the name of criss angel, he walks on water and he levitates, and believe u me, it's no trick, u need to watch it for urself and believe, so what do u have to say about something like that?. He uses tricks, go to YouTube and type the secrets of magic unveiled, you will see how all the tricks he uses were exposed including his tricks of levitation , walking on water and dividing people into two and much more. Everything is there on YouTube . 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 3:13pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ezme:Indeed. There's nothing wrong with the 'idea' of the existence of a supreme being. One thing's for sure, the religious ones are man-made, all of them... I'd leave you with this snippet of a discussion between me and Purist earlier this year musKeeto: @Purist: what made you disbelieve? How long did it take, your transtition period.. I've been hoping to ask u for a long time now.. Abeg no return to sniper mode just yet.. Purist: Purist: |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 3:16pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
mazaje: . He uses tricks, go to YouTube and type the secrets of magic unveiled, you will see how all the tricks he uses were exposed including his tricks of levitation , walking on water and dividing people into two and much more. Everything is there on YouTube . Thanks. @Bolaino: Criss Angel is a MAGICIAN and ILLUSIONIST. Plus he uses heavy video editing and employs lots of stooges... It's called ENTERTAINMENT for a reason, don't tell me you also believe the WWE is 'real' fights? |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Kay17: 3:21pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
The Supernatural is a contravention of the natural. It is not what's beyond our knowledge, it accepts our limited knowledge, but it is inconsistent with it. It accepts our understanding of natural phenomenon, yet it develops contravening idea against it. For example: Water boils at 100oC, supernatural accepts thatn and contradicts it by saying water boils at 0oC |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 3:51pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
musKeeto:lol, muskeeto, u are a "know know" pikin, I don't believe WWE fights are real, but I believe that criss angel does actual magic, yeah, I've seen him explain some of his tricks, but the ones he does that stand out there is no explanation for them cos he does them in the open example of such is his walking on a swiMming pool, that was something beyond the physical, if u doubt me, learn it and try doing it and see if u won't drown, and he actually levitates, watch some of his levitations and see for yourself, cos he does'nt do magic in restricted areas, he does them in open places and spectators are allowed to film while he is doing most of his feats |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 3:54pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: lol, muskeeto, u are a "know know" pikin, I don't believe WWE fights are real, but I believe that criss angel does actual magic, yeah, I've seen him explain some of his tricks, if only you would stop using your phone and get on a laptop,you would be able to stream from youtube the trick behind the act like muskeeto suggested. |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 3:55pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ezme:but from your posts so far, you are veering towards atheism but I stand corrected, BUT if you believe, even slightly, the possible existence of a supreme being, then that on it's own is an acknowledgment of your belief in the supernatural. |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 3:56pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: lol, muskeeto, u are a "know know" pikin, I don't believe WWE fights are real, but I believe that criss angel does actual magic, yeah, I've seen him explain some of his tricks,And the audience that film, how many of those 'independent' videos have you seen... Check youtube.. It's all for entertainment.. There are things that can't be explained. I accept that. But one day, i'm quite sure they will.. well maybe not everything.. but science yields better fruits than superstition, so why let superstitions rope us in? You're a freethinker, question everything, and test every answer. I told you about the egg in the bottle trick why not try it yourself? ![]() And read my reply to emze. I'd like to believe there's more to life, my imagination runs wild at times.. But reality remains reality. |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ooman(m): 4:09pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Ok, Bolaino, indeed there are things that seem to be out of natural explanation but these things only seem to be, they are really not. There is nothing supernatural in nature, everything has natural explanations. I have also visited some places and seen some things, I was surprised that what people term supernatural are events they are too lazy to decipher or things they lack the technology for The supernatural world does not exist and magic is not real. 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 4:24pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ezme:well I have watched the youtube videos where he explains how he does his levitation, but I have also watched videos where he levitates to heights of over 20 ft, so the explanation he gave does not explain those occasions, and If I might ask if you're criss angel, and u can really levitate and you're using it to make money, would u expose your secret to the world? What I think is the explanation being given by criss angel is to try to make what he does look logical so that people like us freethinkers won't start asking questions that he would'nt want to answer, that's my two cents, 2 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 4:33pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
musKeeto:well the beauty of science is that there is no dogma in science, and also as freethinkers we have the ability to acknowledge our mistakes upon light of new information, well, like u pointed out criss angels tricks are all about entertainment, and by the end of the day he gets us entertained, But it still doesn't change the fact that there are things that science can never be able to explain, and that makes them supernatural. |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 4:38pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: well I have watched the youtube videos where he explains how he does his levitation, but I have also watched videos where he levitates to heights of over 20 ft, so the explanation he gave does not explain those occasions, have you seen that by the masked magician? |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 4:51pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ooman: Ok, Bolaino, indeed there are things that seem to be out of natural explanation but these things only seem to be, they are really not. There is nothing supernatural in nature, everything has natural explanations.lol, you remind me of the famous british atheist richard dawkins, u sound like him, but u guys are somewhat dogmatic in your assertion that there is nothing supernatural about this world, and that's where I think u guys have it wrong, I don't believe in a God, but I believe that there is vortex of energy that surrounds this universe and it can be finetuned by a group of beings, to do a specific thing at a specific time, and this energy can be used for good or for evil, who knows, it could be a branch of science that we've not been able to explain or have knowledge of, but till we have proper grasp of this form of science, I will refer to it as the metaphysical. 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by bolaino(m): 4:53pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ezme:masked magician? I'm sorry I don't understand |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ijawkid(m): 4:57pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
mazaje: What about many persons who have been shot with ak 47 rifles and no penetration.??......guess you would call that magic ba??..... ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 4:58pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: masked magician? I'm sorry I don't understand There is a masked man that reenact these acts of magic and then explains the illusion/trick behind it 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ooman(m): 5:00pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
bolaino: lol, you remind me of the famous british atheist richard dawkins, u sound like him, but u guys are somewhat dogmatic in your assertion that there is nothing supernatural about this world, and that's where I think u guys have it wrong, I understand you want to be creative but if you do not have evidence for your claims, then you have no arguments. These energies you claim, what are their evidences?? |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 5:01pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Do you know how much the US spends on teflon vest for its marines every year? Contact your Egbesu priests, I will draft the proposal. We will contact the US government and make real money,We go rich pass Tompolo. If the US no ready we can go to war torn zones where there is a ready market. 8 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ooman(m): 5:02pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: The last time one foolish iddiot like yourself claimed his skin was impenetrable to AK 47, he was blown into pieces. Keep dreaming my dear Ijawboy ![]() |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ooman(m): 5:03pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
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Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 5:03pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ijawkid:And people went through the hassle of making bullet-proof vests? |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Of course I believe in the supernatural and supernatural occurrences...just not some crappy egg in the bottle act!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Anyway, I feel like preaching...and therefore I am going to. ![]() ![]() The problem for us theists occur when people FAKE IT. It gives the ridiculous explanations provided by atheist some credibility when so called theists lie about their experiences. I believe that the connection with God or divine entity/ies requires 110% of one's undivided attention. It's all about truly giving one's all: mind, body, and soul. I am a deep person and although I am not 100 percent "there yet" the kind of dreams, visions, and thoughts I get can't simply be explained as "my subconscious thoughts". No-No! I know that my creator communicates with me in all three ways. God obviously did the same thing with our ancestors thousands of years ago who provided the blueprint for what we know today in terms of technology and science. The problem again came with "proto-atheists" (as i like to call them) who paid more attention to what they could do with those gifts and less actually using them to properly understand the meaning of life. What people fail miserably to understand is any time science and/or technology was used to challenge God or abuse these gifts in any kingdom/empire..it fell and it fell hard!! From Egypt, to Rome...and now even America. ![]() Putting one's trust 100 percent in fellow humans from a psychological standpoint is bound to result in epic failure!! - Mark my words. (God/nature vs. some scientist or a preacher..HUMANS..really? ![]() ![]() Back to what I was saying...You have to be at peace and truly understand yourself, life, and all that happens around you in order to properly understand and serve God. I realize that there are far more atheists in the world than theists..many of these non-believers still claim to be part of a religion. But you can't tell me about God if you are collecting tithes or "offerings" on behalf of a church's building fund ![]() So in some ways I can understand why atheism on the rise however, I know a there is a God. I'm not that weak to allow my disappointment with my fellow man, take me away from trying to know the force/s that created me. I plan to continue my quest by observing through my own lens (and yes even with the aid of science) and to accept life for what it is. I am here to do a job..i don't know yet though i have received the signs but when my job is done..i'll go home. That's all there is to it. ok I'm done...now let the insults reign!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 8 Likes |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by alfaman2: 5:29pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
You are still on egg in a bottle where oyibo has shrunk all their old ships and put them into bottles. [img]http://2.bp..com/-JRRacOL175I/T8U7vD39wwI/AAAAAAAABBw/ftMeGyvOmA4/s1600/Boat+bottle.jpg[/img] 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ijawkid(m): 5:36pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
musKeeto: Na me send them not to fit find out about other bullet proofs??...... At least no one can come here and tell me the egbesu juju is a myth or some trick..... ![]() I don see am with my eyes......... 1 Like |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 5:38pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: It is a LIE. . .Bring such a person and I will shoot him with my AK47. . .The person MUST fall. . .Bullet proof Juju is a LIE and a stupid myth that is been bandied around with no evidence at all. . . bolaino: well I have watched the youtube videos where he explains how he does his levitation, but I have also watched videos where he levitates to heights of over 20 ft, so the explanation he gave does not explain those occasions, Watch the youtube videos I suggested and you will see that its all tricks, he himself and many others have explain the tricks employed. . . .Here are the videos. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dycpIPTFJ04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1I8cLhCcQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0MOVgzSU_E |
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 5:40pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: We all know that eye witness testimonies are very useless. . . .Bullet proof JUJU is a myth. . .Bring any juju man i will come and shoot him if he does not fall he should take my life. . .If you agree then pls bring a volunteer and lets try it. . .I will come with my AK47 to any place of your choosing. . .Next month cos I will be in Naija. . . 3 Likes |
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