Zikkyy:

I understood the logic from the very beginning, but Goshen did not consider Christ as a tithe collector even if his logic shows something else. that is not what am questioning...

You did, did you?

....the tone of response to Goshen's post suggest you see Christ as a true beneficiary/collector of tithe. this is my concern. and your post above validates my interpretation of your response to Goshen. So am asking how Christ ended up a tithe collector? Did Christ instruct the pastors pay tithe to him?

Very funny, Zikkyy. I thought you said you umderstood Goshen's logic.

Well, Goshen made an argument based on the hypothesis that tithing is accepted in the New Covenant. Of course, he disagrees with the hypothesis. But I agree with it and hold it as a tenet of the New Covenant. He failed to make a correct argument for how it should work, I believe that's what you just asked me: how Christ ends up a tithe collector, mm Well, I corrected His argument to show how indeed Jesus Christ ends up a tithe collector.

I think what you want to fight with is whether tithing is a principle of the New Covenant or not. Isn't it, Zikkyy?

Ihedinobi:
Is that so? Did you understand my question, Zikkyy?

which question? there are two questions already in the post above you know you have to be specific cos 95% (estimate) of ya post are questions. so which question

Ihedinobi:

Your belief is wrong. I said exactly what I meant to say.

okay then. it therefore mean that any Christian that goes to the law to justify his/her actions (e.g. to justify his tithe) is not a Christian. Thank you, i agree

Zikkyy:

which question? there are two questions already in the post above you know you have to be specific cos 95% (estimate) of ya post are questions. so which question

Whichever was the one you were responding to, Zikkyy.

Ihedinobi:
He failed to make a correct argument for how it should work,

Like i said before, this is not what am after.

Ihedinobi:
But I agree with it and hold it as a tenet of the New Covenant.

This is what am talking about

Ihedinobi:
I think what you want to fight with is whether tithing is a principle of the New Covenant or not. Isn't it, Zikkyy?

it took you this long to figure out

Zikkyy:

okay then. it therefore mean that any Christian that goes to the law to justify his/her actions (e.g. to justify his tithe) is not a Christian. Thank you, i agree

Let's see how this logic of yours plays out, Zikkyy.

I'm a Christian. In the law, my natural behavior is described. I'm still growing and learning who and what I am and finding that I have certain very clear and some not-so-obvious tendencies and other very unquestionable and some not-so-clear repulsions. To understand myself, I find that I need something to explain why I exhitbit certain behaviors and naturally shun others. I hear that the Law contains an explanation.

But, according to Zikkyy, if I go to the Law, I am no longer a Christian for doing so. Hmmm, I think there's a disconnect somewhere in your reasoning regarding this matter, Zikkyy.

Ihedinobi:

Whichever was the one you were responding to, Zikkyy.

you are no longer interested in zikkyy responding to the question abi?

Zikkyy:

Like i said before, this is not what am after.



This is what am talking about



it took you this long to figure out

Well, when you want to know what I think aboutt something, ask questions, Zikkyy. Nothing in my response to Goshen at the point that you came in at all suggested that I thought that Jesus receives tithes. If I did not later offer that I believe that He does, you'd have nothing to stand on asking the question you're asking, Zikkyy. I never expressed or implied that Jesus receives tithes until my recent admissions that I believe that He does. I expressly stated that per Goshen's reasoning, it would be Jesus that is in the place of Aaron not the pastors in churches.

So you were saying precisely nothing, Zikkyy, until I said that indeed I believe that Jesus is the ultimate tithe receiver.

Now that I've owned what you assumed of me, however, I still had to ask your question for you and all of a sudden, I'm the one just figuring it out. Why don't you quote where you asked whether tithing is a principle of the New Covenant in relation to this particular discussion?

Provide me with that quote, Zikkyy, and I'll take it from there.

Zikkyy:

you are no longer interested in zikkyy responding to the question abi?

Why would you think so, Zikkyy?

Just in case you pretend not to know what law am talking about, i meant the mosaic law

Ihedinobi:
I'm a Christian. In the law, my natural behavior is described. I'm still growing and learning who and what I am and finding that I have certain very clear and some not-so-obvious tendencies and other very unquestionable and some not-so-clear repulsions. To understand myself, I find that I need something to explain why I exhitbit certain behaviors and naturally shun others. I hear that the Law contains an explanation.

The law (mosaic) does not contain explanations, it is a list of do'and don'ts with rewards and blessings for obedience and disobedience. If you explanation refer to Christ and the apostle's teachings joor ....and for the abnormal behavior, what you need is a psychiatrist

Ihedinobi:
But, according to Zikkyy, if I go to the Law, I am no longer a Christian for doing so. Hmmm, I think there's a disconnect somewhere in your reasoning regarding this matter, Zikkyy.

The law already written in your heart, use it! abi you don delete your own? i don't see why you should be running to the library to read about how you behave. If you have to open a book to understand why you slapped a police officer yesterday, my brother that book will not solve your problem. you will need counselling

Ihedinobi:
But, according to Zikkyy, if I go to the Law, I am no longer a Christian for doing so. Hmmm, I think there's a disconnect somewhere in your reasoning regarding this matter, Zikkyy.

The reason i added 'should' in your post, but you said i was wrong, your post stated that the law was "a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion". If as a Christian you are already behaving like that by 'nature', why you dey open book again? unless you are not yet a Christian, abi?

Ihedinobi:
Well, there must be some reason for which you thought that our Lord should have thought it necessary to give lesssons on tithing while sending His disciples forth if they all took for granted that tithing was an eternal principle. I'm only asking what it is.

The reason is simple - by inference from other eternal principles present in the NT. Prayer is an eternal principle. He gave copious lessons on that. Caring for others is an eternal principle. He gave extensive lessons on that too. Giving is an eternal principle - numerous teachings abound. If tithing also was an eternal principle, why isn't it treated the same way?

Remember our discussions on the Trinity? What did we say was the reason that no focused teaching or crystallized doctrine will be found in the Scriptures?

That's a different matter altogether - the three 'elements' of the Trinity as it were are copiously found in the NT, while tithes are almost entirely absent.

Let's use your example of the circumcision, shall we? If circumcision did not describe Christ, wouldn't Scriptures like Philippians 2:3 be perfect nonsense to us? That verse reads

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Note - I intentionally said the physical circumcision. You do not need to carry out physical circumcision in order to be a Christian. Physical circumcision does not 'describe the Christian'. It was a foreshadow which has now been nullified.

Therefore, using your own words physical circumcision is not a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion.

Ihedinobi:
Well, when you want to know what I think aboutt something, ask questions, Zikkyy.

Knowing your response is going to be a question, why ask? you know you don't have a reputation for answering questions

Ihedinobi:
Nothing in my response to Goshen at the point that you came in at all suggested that I thought that Jesus receives tithes. If I did not later offer that I believe that He does, you'd have nothing to stand on asking the question you're asking, Zikkyy. I never expressed or implied that Jesus receives tithes until my recent admissions that I believe that He does. I expressly stated that per Goshen's reasoning, it would be Jesus that is in the place of Aaron not the pastors in churches.

Now that my suspicion been confirm, what's the wahala? that i was wrong for suspecting?

Ihedinobi:
So you were saying precisely nothing, Zikkyy, until I said that indeed I believe that Jesus is the ultimate tithe receiver.

I have to say you did a good job turning the nothing to something. Thanks

Ihedinobi:
Now that I've owned what you assumed of me, however, I still had to ask your question for you and all of a sudden, I'm the one just figuring it out. Why don't you quote where you asked whether tithing is a principle of the New Covenant in relation to this particular discussion?

Provide me with that quote, Zikkyy, and I'll take it from there.

see it hia:

Zikkyy:
Ihedinobi na wa for o! you don turn Jesus to tithe collector because you want to justify your tithing scheme

Zikkyy:

of course i saw Goshen's post, i still don't see how Jesus ended up a tithe collector That is very much the gospel of Ihedinobi.

Ihedinobi:

Why would you think so, Zikkyy?

see below

Ihedinobi:

Whichever was the one you were responding to, Zikkyy.

m.k.o2005:

See below mate :
But the New Testament does not require a tithe? But the tithe was not abolished, as was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not pre-Moses, was for Israel only, and was clearly abolished according to Paul. Tithing was pre-Moses and not rejected by Paul, thus remaining as a guide.
What if I do not give? You rob God, and you will suffer (Hag 1:1-11; Mal 3:8-12; II Cor 9:6; Gal 6:7). Everything you have is from the Lord, and you should willingly give some back. It is often the love of money that causes some to oppose tithing and/or giving, but disciples of Jesus Christ give liberally, for they reject covetousness and the love of money (I Tim 6:6-10,17-19).
God help us all

but you said "the new testament does not require a tithe", well i am a priest(rev1:6, 2Peter2:9) and priests dont pay tithe,. Take my advice and learn a trade. God bless.

of course Debo knows that tithing is a form of giving, yes?


Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

GIVING TO THE LORD BRINGS OPEN DOORS

"But this I say , He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully." 2 Corinthians 9:6 KJV.

Now, when u also give to a true man of God sincerely, their is a reward for that also.

"And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward." Matthew 10:42 KJV.

It brings joy and blessings when one gives to the Lord for His work. U will not lack. "Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 4:34-35 KJV.

If read above, they gave to the apostles for the work to make progress.

"Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." Luke 6:38 KJV.

so, u say paying of tithe is wrong or unbiblical. now, u want the church to be borrowing money from the bank to sponsor her work, right? then u must be a very wicked person. will money fall from heaven and fall on the roof of the church or on the head of the pastor. when the Lord say we should pay tithe and offering for meat(finance) to be in His House so that the church will not borrow. how will the church build the house of God if tithe an offering is not paid. how will the church send pastors out to win souls or establish branches in remote areas. how will the church take care of bills. how will the church meet the demands of burial and so many financial needs when it arises if the tithe and offering is not paid. anybody saying tihe or offering is not necessary in the church must be a very wicked person who wants the down fall of the church.

i dont just understand some people claiming that tithe is not eassential in the church. they pay taxes to the government but they refuse to pay tithe in the church. this is bad and unrighteous. even Jesus paid tax to the government of His days. ."Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee." Matthew 17:27 KJV.

The bible says we should give to God also.
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17 KJV.

I am not adept at the words in the bible so forgive me if I project ignorance but i would like to know.
What tribe made up the priestly order, the levites?
Who received tithes, levites?
Where did the priests officiate, at the temple in jerusalem?
Where were tithes paid to, the temple in Jerusalem?
To what tribe did Paul belong, Benjamin?
To what tribe did Peter belong? This I really do not know.
Did Paul attend customs at the temple? From acts 21:26 (The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.) It seems to me DAT he did.
Did Peter attend customs at the temple? from Acts 3:1 (Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.) It seems to me DAT he did.
If Peter and Paul were fully aware of GOD's law and were not levites would they have received tithes being DAT they still attended the temple? If they did, Would DAT not mean they were disobeying GOD? wouldn't there have been an uproar from their Jewish antagonists?
These are questions that I am pondering, please clarify if u can.
I wonder if the present day Jews tithe now that there is no temple in Jerusalem and no levitical priestly order. This I must research.

Zikkyy: Just in case you pretend not to know what law am talking about, i meant the mosaic law



The law (mosaic) does not contain explanations, it is a list of do'and don'ts with rewards and blessings for obedience and disobedience. If you explanation refer to Christ and the apostle's teachings joor ....and for the abnormal behavior, what you need is a psychiatrist



The law already written in your heart, use it! abi you don delete your own? i don't see why you should be running to the library to read about how you behave. If you have to open a book to understand why you slapped a police officer yesterday, my brother that book will not solve your problem. you will need counselling




The reason i added 'should' in your post, but you said i was wrong, your post stated that the law was "a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion". If as a Christian you are already behaving like that by 'nature', why you dey open book again? unless you are not yet a Christian, abi?

lol..wat if d buk gets missin or burnt,na suicide ohh..i dey laugh..lol

christemmbassey: but you said "the new testament does not require a tithe", well i am a priest(rev1:6, 2Peter2:9) and priests dont pay tithe,. Take my advice and learn a trade. God bless.

lol..bros watch it oh..no jabs ok?..but U funny..lol

This peteregwu guy must be a pastor

peteregwu:
It brings joy and blessings when one gives to the Lord for His work. U will not lack. "Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 4:34-35 KJV.

If read above, they gave to the apostles for the work to make progress.

the apostles were not running a motherless babies home and the contributions was not for funding the work of the apostles.

peteregwu:
so, u say paying of tithe is wrong or unbiblical.

yes, tithe is unbiblical for Christians

peteregwu:
now, u want the church to be borrowing money from the bank to sponsor her work, right? then u must be a very wicked person. will money fall from heaven and fall on the roof of the church or on the head of the pastor.

what happens to contributions? are you saying church members that would ordinarily 'tithe' will not contribute? You don't see or think clearly due to your obsession with tithe.

peteregwu:
when the Lord say we should pay tithe and offering for meat(finance) to be in His House so that the church will not borrow. how will the church build the house of God if tithe an offering is not paid.

The Lord has taken up residence in the heart of believers. he does not need tithe and offering in his house anymore. you think God lives in that structure you call church?

peteregwu:
how will the church send pastors out to win souls or establish branches in remote areas. how will the church take care of bills. how will the church meet the demands of burial and so many financial needs when it arises if the tithe and offering is not paid.

Contributions

peteregwu:
The bible says we should give to God also.

Nobody is saying you should not give to God, but don't force others to adopt your approach. that's all.

Zikkyy: This peteregwu guy must be a pastor



the apostles were not running a motherless babies home and the contributions was not for funding the work of the apostles.



yes, tithe is unbiblical for Christians



what happens to contributions? are you saying church members that would ordinarily 'tithe' will not contribute? You don't see or think clearly due to your obsession with tithe.



The Lord has taken up residence in the heart of believers. he does not need tithe and offering in his house anymore. you think God lives in that structure you call church?



Contributions



Nobody is saying you should not give to God, but don't force others to adopt your approach. that's all.

AM NOT A PASTOR BUT A BROTHER!

I SEE WHAT PASTORS FACE EVERYDAY. IT WILL BE VERY WRONG FOR CHURCHES TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE BANK.

WHO IS FORCING ONE TO GIVE. IF THE APOSTLES WHERE NOT RUNNING MOTHERLESS BABY HOMS, WHAT THEN DID THEY USE WHAT WAS GIVEN FOR. NOW U WERE SAYING " CONTRIBUTION". HAHAHA....WHAT DIFFERENT DOES IT MAKE? HOW AMAZING IS PEOPLE TRYING TO TWIST THE WORD. WHY ARE U CONTRIBUTING THEN? WHY NOT KEEP QUIET AND REMAIN IN YOUR HOUSE WITHOUT GOING TO CHURCH. SO LONG U HAVE DECIDED TO REMAIN STINGY. HOW MUCH DO U WANT TO GIVE THAT WIL BE ENOUGH FOR GOD. NO ONE CAN GIVE MORE THAN GOD. U WANT PEOPLE OR GOD TO BEG U TO GIVE? IF U ALSO SAY GOD HAS TAKING ABOD IN THE HEART OF MEN, SO CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT GO TO CHIRCH TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AND FELLOWSHIP TOGETHER...THEY WILL REMAIN UNDER THE HEAT OF THE SUN AM RAIN ABI? THEY WIL NT PAY FOR NEPA BILS OR WATER, RIGHT? THE PASTORS IN THE VILLAGE WILL NOT NEED MONEY TO CATER FOR THE UPKEEP OF THOSE IN DESPERATE NEED, RIGHT? THE CHURCH, WILL BE WAITING FOR CONTRIBUTIONS EVERYDAY, RIGHT?

MY FRIEND, AM SORRY, U NO NOTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY OR PASTORSHIP. U DONT EVEN KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT IS INVOLVED IN PADTORING JUST 10 PEOPLE, HOW MUCH MORE THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS.

PlS IF I MAY ASK YOU, WHAT ROLE DO U PLAY IN YOUR CHURCH? BECAUSE AM SO SURPRISE, TO GOD WHO MADE ME, TO YOUR BELIEF AND STATEMENTS HERE. AT THE MOMENT AM BEGINNING TO WONDER IF U ARE A CHRISTIAN.

Zikkyy: Just in case you pretend not to know what law am talking about, i meant the mosaic law

I think I've let you get away with calling me dishonest enough. Please produce one example of a pretence I've made in my discussions with you or any one else.

The law (mosaic) does not contain explanations, it is a list of do'and don'ts with rewards and blessings for obedience and disobedience. If you explanation refer to Christ and the apostle's teachings joor ....and for the abnormal behavior, what you need is a psychiatrist

Is it now? Why does the writer of Hebrews describe it as a shadow of things to come?

The law already written in your heart, use it! abi you don delete your own? i don't see why you should be running to the library to read about how you behave. If you have to open a book to understand why you slapped a police officer yesterday, my brother that book will not solve your problem. you will need counselling

So the Holy Spirit was wrong when He said through Paul that every bit of Scripture is necessary to the believer?

The reason i added 'should' in your post, but you said i was wrong, your post stated that the law was "a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion". If as a Christian you are already behaving like that by 'nature', why you dey open book again? unless you are not yet a Christian, abi?

Perhaps you should go and reread my post.

debosky:

The reason is simple - by inference from other eternal principles present in the NT. Prayer is an eternal principle. He gave copious lessons on that. Caring for others is an eternal principle. He gave extensive lessons on that too. Giving is an eternal principle - numerous teachings abound. If tithing also was an eternal principle, why isn't it treated the same way?

Prayer is an eternal principle but in the days of our Lord's flesh, did the disciples take for granted with the Lord that it was so? Same question I have for the other things.

And, er, is tithing not giving?

That's a different matter altogether - the three 'elements' of the Trinity as it were are copiously found in the NT, while tithes are almost entirely absent.

Bro Image123 just reminded me of a very interesting bit of Scripture that I was failing to remember. It's Hebrews 7:8. Also, every time the Law was addressed in the New Testament, tithing was implicitly addressed as well.

Note - I intentionally said the physical circumcision. You do not need to carry out physical circumcision in order to be a Christian. Physical circumcision does not 'describe the Christian'. It was a foreshadow which has now been nullified.

Therefore, using your own words physical circumcision is not a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion.

I'm sure I haven't said anything that even remotely suggests that to be aChristian one must be circumcised.

Now, what other type of circumcision is there?

peteregwu:
IF THE APOSTLES WHERE NOT RUNNING MOTHERLESS BABY HOMS, WHAT THEN DID THEY USE WHAT WAS GIVEN FOR.

So you agree the disciples did not use the contributions for spreading the gospel that's good.

peteregwu:
IF THE APOSTLES WHERE NOT RUNNING MOTHERLESS BABY HOMS, WHAT THEN DID THEY USE WHAT WAS GIVEN FOR.

let me rephrase so you will understand; the work of the apostles was not to run a motherless babies home. The contributions went towards meeting the daily needs of the believers.

peteregwu:
NOW U WERE SAYING " CONTRIBUTION". HAHAHA....WHAT DIFFERENT DOES IT MAKE?

A lot of difference. contribution is biblical for Christians

peteregwu:
HOW AMAZING IS PEOPLE TRYING TO TWIST THE WORD. WHY ARE U CONTRIBUTING THEN? WHY NOT KEEP QUIET AND REMAIN IN YOUR HOUSE WITHOUT GOING TO CHURCH. SO LONG U HAVE DECIDED TO REMAIN STINGY. HOW MUCH DO U WANT TO GIVE THAT WIL BE ENOUGH FOR GOD. NO ONE CAN GIVE MORE THAN GOD. U WANT PEOPLE OR GOD TO BEG U TO GIVE?

I wonder what this is all about. i do know it is not a response to anything have said. is this the result of frustration or anger? are you experiencing a decrease in tithe collections due to the activities of anti-tithe crusaders?

peteregwu:
IF U ALSO SAY GOD HAS TAKING ABOD IN THE HEART OF MEN, SO CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT GO TO CHIRCH TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AND FELLOWSHIP TOGETHER...THEY WILL REMAIN UNDER THE HEAT OF THE SUN AM RAIN ABI? THEY WIL NT PAY FOR NEPA BILS OR WATER, RIGHT?

Nobody is saying you should not. But don't result to coercing members to get the funding you need. Like i said earlier, if there is a need for members to tackle, they can always contribute. You are just too obsess with tithe to see clearly. What if N10,000 was needed to solve the need and the total tithe collection is just N5,000? what's wrong with the members contributing the N10,000?

peteregwu:
THE PASTORS IN THE VILLAGE WILL NOT NEED MONEY TO CATER FOR THE UPKEEP OF THOSE IN DESPERATE NEED, RIGHT? THE CHURCH, WILL BE WAITING FOR CONTRIBUTIONS EVERYDAY, RIGHT?

what's wrong with that? if the church believes they need a reserve fund for emergency, let them contribute to the fund, simple.

peteregwu:
MY FRIEND, AM SORRY, U NO NOTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY OR PASTORSHIP. U DONT EVEN KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT IS INVOLVED IN PADTORING JUST 10 PEOPLE, HOW MUCH MORE THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS.

Maybe i don't. but i do know that it is wrong to force cash out of congregation.

Ihedinobi:
I think I've let you get away with calling me dishonest enough. Please produce one example of a pretence I've made in my discussions with you or any one else.

Who said you are dishonest? read my post very well o! see my comment below;

Zikkyy:
Just in case you pretend not to know what law am talking about, i meant the mosaic law

shine ya eye and focus on the bolded

Zikkyy:

Knowing your response is going to be a question, why ask? you know you don't have a reputation for answering questions

Ok. So you're alright manufacturing your own facts?

Now that my suspicion been confirm, what's the wahala? that i was wrong for suspecting?

That you were and are still being despicably dishonest. You suspected? Based on what? Goshen's logic?

I have to say you did a good job turning the nothing to something. Thanks

Ok...I guess.

see it hia:

Zikkyy: Ihedinobi na wa for o! you don turn Jesus to tithe collector because you want to justify your tithing scheme

Zikkyy:
of course i saw Goshen's post, i still don't see how Jesus ended up a tithe collector  That is very much the gospel of Ihedinobi.

See the first post? How did I turn Jesus into a tithe collector? Was it my reasoning that made Him the tithe collector or was it Goshen's? And the second? What made Goshen's theory the Gospel of Ihedinobi?

Notwithstanding, by what stretch of imagination does any of your referenced posts above intimate an inquiry into the position of tithing in the New Covenant? You insist that I made Jesus a tithe collector and I'm supposed to understand that as a question as to whether tithing is acceptable under the New Covenant?

Zikkyy:

see below

You answered a question and I asked if you understood it and you ask me "which question"? Beyond telling you that the question I asked if you understood was the same one you tried to answer, what exactly do you expect of me, Zikkyy?

Zikkyy:

Who said you are dishonest? read my post very well o! see my comment below;



shine ya eye and focus on the bolded

And your implying that I might pretend not to know what law you were talking about was not an indictment of my honesty? Why "just in case" if you didn't think there was the possibility of a case?

Ihedinobi:
Is it now? Why does the writer of Hebrews describe it as a shadow of things to come?

He called it shadow abi? he did not it was the real thing. i will advise you go for the real stuff and stop chasing shadows that will take you nowhere.

Ihedinobi:
So the Holy Spirit was wrong when He said through Paul that every bit of Scripture is necessary to the believer?

The holy spirit cannot be wrong. now i don't remember seeing the word 'necessary' in that bible verse. anyways Paul said scripture is useful (i.e. there are benefit to be derived from using it), but not for this purpose. if you rendered assistance to a stranger that was stranded on your way to work this morning and you cannot explain/understand why you helped him. the law book cannot not help you. the law book will only tell you do this; don't do that.

With all due respect I wld like to submit that ihedinobi is a very dis honest poster as far as scamming in the. Church is concerned.

Ihedinobi:
Ok. So you're alright manufacturing your own facts?

....and 99.9% of the time, am right i don't manufacture facts out of nothing. it was right there, in the tone of ya post.

Ihedinobi:
That you were and are still being despicably dishonest. You suspected? Based on what? Goshen's logic?

how can it be Goshen's logic when you know Goshen does not consider Jesus a tithe collector. which one be 'despicably dishonest' for this matter. in fact, you should be praising me for being so good afterall i did not make any false accusation, abi?

Ihedinobi:
See the first post? How did I turn Jesus into a tithe collector? Was it my reasoning that made Him the tithe collector or was it Goshen's?

@bolded, yes. Goshen was not thinking Jesus.

Ihedinobi:
And the second? What made Goshen's theory the Gospel of Ihedinobi?

Goshen's theory does not consider Jesus as a tithe collector, but Ihedinobi's interpretation did. i think you are just not happy i can read you with so much ease it's not my fault you know.

Ihedinobi:
You insist that I made Jesus a tithe collector and I'm supposed to understand that as a question as to whether tithing is acceptable under the New Covenant?

It simple, if you believe Jesus collects tithe, then you already agree that tithing is acceptable under the new covenant. no be so?