i came across this post this morning https://www.nairaland.com/1285383/ombatse-traditionalists-police-killed-membersand the 1st tin that came across my mind is how do atheist explain supernatural phenomena, pls educate us, thanks

Back at ya, how do you explain David Blaine and Chris Angel?

@snthesis, 1.Killing a police man with a knife and a machete is not a supernatural phenomena. 2.Running away from police tear gas is not a sign of supernatural phenomena. 3.Losing 23 members to police bullets is not a sign of supernatural phenomena. 4.Popeye used spinach,Superman flies towards the sun,and 'He-Man' had a magic sword.Also,'THE THING' had a magic ring and all he needed to do is say the magic words,"Thing ring do your thing".Sadly,these magical feats can only be witnessed on Cartoon Network or the Muppet Babies,but not in real life.

I am not into secret societies but I want to tell you a big secret, take it or leave it,it is up to you,...................when occultic men in Europe were asked to define Natural magic,they said that it is "Science",infact they laughed at the fact that human beings can ascribe the title of supernatural to something that is natural.Do you know that there is a machine that can give human beings heart attacks?It is fired from a distance and it has no bullets,just electro-magnetic waves vibrating at a particular frequency.It is science and not wizadry.

[quote author=Niflheim]I am not into secret societies but I want to tell you a big secret, take it or leave it,it is up to you,...................when occultic men in Europe were asked to define Natural magic,they said that it is "Science",infact they laughed at the fact that human beings can ascribe the title of supernatural to something that is natural.Do you know that there is a machine that can give human beings heart attacks?It is fired from a distance and it has no bullets,[b]just electro-magnetic waves vibrating at a particular frequency.It is science and not wizadry.[/[/b]quote]

So where do our local traditionalist get the machines that emmits the electro magnetic waves

You guys should face fact...there are supernatural occurences that happen

Niflheim: @snthesis, 1.Killing a police man with a knife and a machete is not a supernatural phenomena. 2.Running away from police tear gas is not a sign of supernatural phenomena. 3.Losing 23 members to police bullets is not a sign of supernatural phenomena. 4.Popeye used spinach,Superman flies towards the sun,and 'He-Man' had a magic sword.Also,'THE THING' had a magic ring and all he needed to do is say the magic words,"Thing ring do your thing".Sadly,these magical feats can only be witnessed on Cartoon Network or the Muppet Babies,but not in real life.

common, 90 men armed with Guns were killed by mehn wielding cutlasses, that isnt logical, obviously some magic was involved, the question is how do u xplain this "magic"

snthesis:
common, 90 men armed with Guns were killed by mehn wielding cutlasses, that isnt logical, obviously some magic was involved, the question is how do u xplain this "magic"

Errmmm. you were there to witness this? Or "themsay"

@snthesis,just because the nigerian police were armed with guns doesn't mean that they were armed with bullets,how many bullets does each officer receive in a day?....................3!!!What stops the traditionalists from using all those ritual powder that they blow in peoples faces to make them sleep(it is not magic,just chloroform) and spread it around to make the police drowsy before attacking them?

@born2berich,you can read up on a plant called digitalis(foxglove),it has been used for centuries to induce heart attacks.Don,t believe me,ask Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.When he was playing cards with the bad guy and they slipped digitalis into his drink,the results were almost catastrophic for MI6!!!

To the African mind, it is very consistent to accept the story. The storyteller played on our bias to believe "MAGiC".

To OP please how do we separate Superstition from Supernatural?

Niflheim: @born2berich,you can read up on a plant called digitalis(foxglove),it has been used for centuries to induce heart attacks.Don,t believe me,ask Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.When he was playing cards with the bad guy and they slipped digitalis into his drink,the results were almost catastrophic for MI6!!!

So our fore fathers were using digitalis to perform some occultic performance in the past right?

The same westeners that are decieving you all were killing witches and wizards in their country in the past centuries ago when they burned them on a stake or hung them...

Now they are telling you it is all science, but back then they called it black magic...Yet we accept anything they tell us...

Witches and wizards exist my friend.

Truely we are being brainwashed by the westerners...

@born2brich,I will tell you something else,who wrote the verse in the bible,"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live",because that was not the original verse. The original verse was "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live",but since King James(may his soul burn in everlasting flames),knew that the easiest way to get him was through poisoning his food,drinks or even his clothes(yes,they used to smear poison on people's clothes,if they wear it and die,they will shout witchcraft),he felt that he had to kill all people who knew about mixing herbs and potions.They were not witches,just old women with knowledge of herbs,so James got Baron Verulam(the editor of the bible) to edit that part of the bible!!!

Niflheim: @born2brich,I will tell you something else,who wrote the verse in the bible,"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live",because that was not the original verse. The original verse was "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live",but since King James(may his soul burn in everlasting flames),knew that the easiest way to get him was through poisoning his food,drinks or even his clothes(yes,they used to smear poison on people's clothes,if they wear it and die,they will shout witchcraft),he felt that he had to kill all people who knew about mixing herbs and potions.They were not witches,just old women with knowledge of herbs,so James got Baron Verulam(the editor of the bible) to edit that part of the bible!!!

wow tanks for that,as someone said religion is a creation of man and its mostly by political leaders to enslave d minds of their subjects.dats why as nigerians are religious we are not developing at d right pace even d countries dat brought those religions are fast becoming irreligious.we need to change our mentality so dat we wont be decieved easily with all dis cheap propanganda.

Niflheim: @born2brich,I will tell you something else,who wrote the verse in the bible,"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live",because that was not the original verse. The original verse was "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live",but since King James(may his soul burn in everlasting flames),knew that the easiest way to get him was through poisoning his food,drinks or even his clothes(yes,they used to smear poison on people's clothes,if they wear it and die,they will shout witchcraft),he felt that he had to kill all people who knew about mixing herbs and potions.They were not witches,just old women with knowledge of herbs,so James got Baron Verulam(the editor of the bible) to edit that part of the bible!!!

wow tanks for that,as someone said religion is a creation of man and its mostly by political leaders to enslave d minds of their subjects.dats why as nigerians are religious we are not developing at d right pace even d countries dat brought those religions are fast becoming irreligious.we need to change our mentality so dat we wont be decieved easily with all dis cheap propanganda.

It is possible the police panicked and fled. I have seen armed robbers scare off the police with shots in the air.

Maybe a Navy SEALs unit (SEAL Team 5) or an SAS unit should go there and take out those people... or maybe some drones... lets see if their magic will work.

Where was this magic when the British were colonising the country?

interesting, most Atheist ask for proof, now the proof has being given ,yet u still doubt the existence of d supernatural

not everything has logical interpretation or physical meaning. spirits exist. whether atheisr agree or not

tobechi20: not everything has logical interpretation or physical meaning. spirits exist. whether atheisr agree or not

yadha yadha yadha, yidi yidi yidi yidi.......

and so it goes on. always willfully ignoring reason and filling space with nonsense!

typical atheists spin. First, put a physical interpretation on every phenomen . Most phenomena fit. Logicize it away in physical terms. If it defies logico-physical interpretation dismiss it as farce, a fraud or trickery. E.g Jesus walkg on water. To discourage further mention use scorn and mockery on the story to make it appear even mor ridicolous. If it doesnt dissuade, attack the character of the actor in d story.. E.g calling Jesus an illiterate. Claim tht atheism is an objective logical systematic disbelief in Dieties!! Objective in deed. Logical in deed. More like a willful decision reject God if he exists to refute his existence at all cost usg logical and non logical tools. To deviate frm logical contests to psychological smears (name callg, etc). So much for objectivity..

snthesis: interesting, most Atheist ask for proof, now the proof has being given ,yet u still doubt the existence of d supernatural

What proof? Some chicken sh.it cops were scared off and killed? How is that proof of anything other than the poor state of our police.

Also, is there any evidence to suggest that the group were not armed with firearms too?

The traditionalist spokesman could have been lying, he isn't compelled nor credible to tell the Truth. The police reported gunshot wounds on the killed policemen, except we believe machete can inflict gunshot wounds; the police report contradicts the spokesman's story.

Besides the whole story is shaky, machete armed men aren't superior in combat against firearmed police.

Kay 17: The traditionalist spokesman could have been lying, he isn't compelled nor credible to tell the Truth. The police reported gunshot wounds on the killed policemen, except we believe machete can inflict gunshot wounds; the police report contradicts the spokesman's story.

Besides the whole story is shaky, machete armed men aren't superior in combat against firearmed police.

Exactly. Why dont boko haram use machetes to try and enforce terror?

Some Nigerians and their stupidity. So they actually believe charms were used...

Born 2be Rich:

So our fore fathers were using digitalis to perform some occultic performance in the past right?

The same westeners that are decieving you all were killing witches and wizards in their country in the past centuries ago when they burned them on a stake or hung them...

Now they are telling you it is all science, but back then they called it black magic...Yet we accept anything they tell us...

Witches and wizards exist my friend.

Truely we are being brainwashed by the westerners...

So, you find killing witches justifiable? Who let you out of the zoo?

It's strange how supernatural events never happen in front of, say, western scientists. They always have some stupid scientific explanation for everything.

onetrack: It's strange how supernatural events never happen in front of, say, western scientists. They always have some stupid scientific explanation for everything.

I hope you're being silly. It's because they're not spiritually aware, or imbued with the holy spirit, no personal relationship with Jesus, etc etc

How can one be so ignorant? It's embarrassing










What do they smoke before they come up with these answers? What could possibly rot the brains so?

since when did "magic" become supernatural?

smh. wow.

*Kails*:
since when did "magic" become supernatural?

smh. wow.

Magical events are not supernatural?

google:

mag·ic
/ˈmajik/
Noun
The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=magic+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I don't think we refer solely to 'magic' of the David Blaine sort, do you?

It is indeed political as I suspected. They probably had some decent firepower.

https://www.nairaland.com/1285688/police-killing-nasarawa-gov-al-makura

I laf at your disbelief :Atheist all you, can fool yourself wit logical analysis trash. Much of what is happening here is real. This eggon guys, ombatse- aint trouble makers but make no mistake, in provoking them. Seat in your comfort zone and claim all the science you want, this is real. Claiming police ran away might be logical, but how come 95 policemen died, the government is giving you some rational number! Remain deluded for all i care. In the hospital where their remains lie, you would see matchet cuts and no bullet holes my guys, you call that magic to entertain who? The police or who?

hisblud: I laf at your disbelief :Atheist all you, can fool yourself wit logical analysis trash. Much of what is happening here is real. This eggon guys, ombatse- aint trouble makers but make no mistake, in provoking them. Seat in your comfort zone and claim all the science you want, this is real. Claiming police ran away might be logical, but how come 95 policemen died, the government is giving you some rational number! Remain deluded for all i care. In the hospital where their remains lie, you would see matchet cuts and no bullet holes my guys, you call that magic to entertain who? The police or who?

Like the OPC right. I have heard stories about how they use "magic" eggs to fight battles. I await the next battle they fight and will get a front row seat. I just pray they dont get slaughtered

wiegraf:



Magical events are not supernatural?




https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=magic+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I don't think we refer solely to 'magic' of the David Blaine sort, do you?

sir, what they call "magic" pertains to tricks and tricks are skills that anyone can acquire.

Supernatural is the spirit, visions, intuition; etc.

*Kails*:


sir, what they call "magic" pertains to tricks and tricks are skills that anyone can acquire.

Supernatural is the spirit, visions, intuition; etc.

Spirits, visions unhealthy Superstition.