@ Davidylan;

Look at the part you people are quick to dismiss . . . it is pregnant with meaning.

" Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

Only if David will look at the pregnancy and realise that the baby inside is keeping him. David forgot that no ONE called JESUS God, while he was within his community and get away with it! He gave a peson who merely referred to him as "good," a tongue lashing.

The weasels realised that he was not capable of returning until the appointed time, then they began their back alley tactics of deitification of him, in order to swell their rank with the gullibles! A god who is walking on the earth and the earth does not crumbled in awe of humility to him, is no God! A god that functions exactly; bleeds etc like the rest of us is no God! Come to think of it, it was the people who called jesus god. He never called himself that. No Prophet and/or Messenger of God would dare to claim the unclaimable!

Wake up people!

4Him:
Lady, you and Imhotep are being disingenous . . . the phrase in contention is ABSENT from the "Traditional Catechetical Formula" on the right.
What you keep bleating about is a direct quote from Exodus . . . unfortunately you can't simply delete whatever u don't like from the bible since there are billions of copies in print but you can choose to pick and choose which parts of the commandments you want to follow which is exactly what the catholic church has done.

Strange that you follow Martin Luther who deleted 7 books from the bible he met on ground.



This is the first commandment in the Cathechism =>
Ex 20:2-5 ==>
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

And it is exhaustively discussed.

ultimately having no likenesses made or graven images extends to many other things too. Anyone who takes photographs is breaking this law. As well as television, movies, portrait paintings, sculpture and more. Pretty much the entirety of man's artistic output. Strict judaic adherents take it that far. I don't think any christian does though.

Pastor AIO:

ultimately having no likenesses made or graven images extends to many other things too. Anyone who takes photographs is breaking this law. As well as television, movies, portrait paintings, sculpture and more. Pretty much the entirety of man's artistic output. Strict judaic adherents take it that far. I don't think any christian does though.

Those who print children's bibles, with plenty of illustrations are offenders too - and should be STOPPED. For they are misleading the children. Not so?

Pastor AIO:

ultimately having no likenesses made or graven images extends to many other things too. Anyone who takes photographs is breaking this law. As well as television, movies, portrait paintings, sculpture and more. Pretty much the entirety of man's artistic output. Strict judaic adherents take it that far. I don't think any christian does though.

This is getting ridiculous, it is a serious offence to observe any object or image as possessing divine powers as stated in the quote below

#1 No other gods Ex 20:3; 34:14; Ps.73:25;81:9;Isa.43:10;Matt.4:10;1John 5:21

This guards against any form of mental or internal idolatry.  Not giving anyone or anything in heaven or in earth that inward affection, worship, veneration or dependence that is due only to the true God.

#2 No graven images Ex 20:4-6; 34:12-17; Rom 1:21-24,32; 1Thess 1:9.

This guards against any form of external idolatry.  Such as when pictures or images of people are being observed as possessing divine powers and are adored, either at churches or places of pagan worship, they  become idols.

The penalties for breaking these laws are grievous; God said He would blot names out of the book of life (Ex.32:30-33; Psalms69:25-28; 1Cor.6:9-10; Gal.5:19-21; Col.3:5-6; Rev.3:5;22:18-19)

So if you find yourself in a place of worship where you observe, adore, venerate or bow down to persons dead or alive, or use objects or images as if they possess divine powers for protection, The Word of God tells you to speak with your feet.  2Cor.6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15[b] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?[/b]

16[b] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people[/b].

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

OLAADEGBU:

So if you find yourself in a place of worship where you observe, adore, venerate or bow down to persons dead or alive, or use objects or images as if they possess divine powers for protection, The Word of God tells you to speak with your feet. 2Cor.6:14-18

What of the early Christians and their celebration of the Lord's supper. Paul chastised them for their 'unworthy' celebration =>

1Cor 11:20-31

20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord`s supper:

21 for in your eating each one taketh before [other] his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you? In this I praise you not.

23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;

24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 In like manner also the[b] cup[/b], after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye proclaim the Lord`s death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.


28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.

30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few are dead.

31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.

Is it idolatory to celebrate the Lord's supper with BREAD and WINE

Pastor AIO:

ultimately having no likenesses made or graven images extends to many other things too. Anyone who takes photographs is breaking this law. As well as television, movies, portrait paintings, sculpture and more. Pretty much the entirety of man's artistic output. Strict judaic adherents take it that far. I don't think any christian does though.

Literally speaking any graven image graven image, it is left to the christians to either follow what is inscribe in the gospel or what they feel it is right for them

imhotep:

What of the early Christians and their celebration of the Lord's supper. Paul chastised them for their 'unworthy' celebration =>
1Cor 11:20-31
Is it idolatory to celebrate the Lord's supper with BREAD and WINE

Jesus Christ commanded His disciples to take the "Lord's supper" as often as we can in memorial of Him until He comes back.  So it is not a sin to partake of the Lord's supper, but the situation in the Corinthian church was that it was being taken in disrespect to the poor and the needy, hence Paul chastising the rich disciples.  They first had what they called the love feasts where the rich had a lot to eat and the poor did not have any before the Lord's supper was then taken, and I don't see how this relates to the topic being treated.

Let us get back on track, about the question on hand.  If anyone is a born again Christian and finds himself in a gathering place of worship that venerates any human being and adores or depends on such a person, that is idolatry. or if there are objects, images or statutes that are being seen as possessing divine powers for answers to their prayers, the warning in 2 Corinthians 6:17 that says "Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord" is the solemn warning I can give but if you think the description above does not relate to you then you have nothing to worry about.

OLAADEGBU:

Jesus Christ commanded His disciples to take the "Lord's supper" as often as we can in memorial of Him until He comes back. So it is not a sin to partake of the Lord's supper, but the situation in the Corinthian church was that it was being taken in disrespect to the poor and the needy, hence Paul chastising the rich disciples. They firsts had what they called the love feasts where the rich had a lot to eat and the poor did not have any after which the Lord's supper was then taken, and I don't see how this relates to the topic being treated.

How did the bread and wine (material entities) tie in with the 'worship in spirit and in truth' that Christ talked about.

Alleluia! Produce jehova from that. Or you want to try Yahweh for size? Claim what you wil from now till Sunday, the fact will not change even if you denied it.

God says in the Qur/an that Ibrahiim was not a Jew nor a Christian, but a negator of multiple heads god belief, he was a Great One and did not associate any partnership with One God. I guess you will try to disregard the relationship of god with Ibrahiim. It is the covenant of Ibrahiim that the Mu/slims count on. thats where we have our relationship with God. Not through the tribalistic Jews or the multple heads god worshipper Christians! lol.

If I were to derive questions from this post, it would be deleted and marked offensive as it would challenge the credibility of Muhaaamad and the Qu''ran.

By the way HALLELUYAH means Praise Yahweh or Praise God. I checked and YAH is a shortened form of Yahweh in the Hebrew language.
I know you're trying to show that All'ah is in Alleluia, but it's not. Alleluia is the Latin form of Halleluyah (the original form). When speaking to you, you were trying to prive to me that All'ah is in there, but you were using the hebrew language to prove it. Alleluia is not Hebrew but Latin. Halleluyah is Hebrew, therefore All'ah is not present, but Yahweh is. Or do you want to say that the Jews corrupted their language too and the Arabs know it better?


Sorry for not calling you back, worked all night.

How did the bread and wine (material entities) tie in with the 'worship in spirit and in truth' that Christ talked about

I know right. I wonder oh. I am awaiting answers so I can laugh.


I don't know why you're even bothering yourself. They don't want to know, they just want to ridicule. They ask the same questions over and over again. They get answers FROM THE BIBLE that they're looking for, they run and then come back with the same questions only remixed. lol.

I will do as I am instructed in the Bible and not rival with anyone.

Peace be with you.

2Thess.2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Hell is self perpetuating. It is a place prepared for those who have rejected God and are given the opportunity to continue to live without the presence of God.

2Thess.2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Hell is self perpetuating. It is a place prepared for those who have rejected God and are given the opportunity to continue to live without the presence of God.

You be sure not to reject God, you hear

OLAADEGBU:

2Thess.2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Hell is self perpetuating. It is a place prepared for those who have rejected God and are given the opportunity to continue to live without the presence of God.

This does not answer the question =>
How did the bread and wine (material entities) tie in with the 'worship in spirit and in truth' that Christ talked about??

@imhotep,

OLAADEGBU:

Jesus Christ commanded His disciples to take the "Lord's supper" as often as we can in memorial of Him until He comes back. So it is not a sin to partake of the Lord's supper, but the situation in the Corinthian church was that it was being taken in disrespect to the poor and the needy, hence Paul chastising the rich disciples.  They first had what they called the love feasts where the rich had a lot to eat and the poor did not have any before the Lord's supper was then taken, and I don't see how this relates to the topic being treated.

The answer to your question has been highlighted incase you missed it unless you are trying frantically to divert from the major topic on this thread.

OLAADEGBU:

The answer to your question has been highlighted incase you missed it unless you are trying frantically to divert from the major topic on this thread.

Does this not mean that Jesus himself is breaking the famous Second Commandment? Bread and wine ?? Material things??

OLAADEGBU:

Jesus Christ commanded His disciples to take the "Lord's supper" as often as we can in memorial of Him until He comes back. So it is not a sin to partake of the Lord's supper

So why have you been disturbing yourself over Catholics and the Pope

imhotep:

So why have you been disturbing yourself over Catholics and the Pope

Imhotep, you deceive yourself so much that you make me wonder! When the 2nd Commandments in the bible talked about you not making the image of anything on earth or in heaven and worshiping them, in what was the bread and wine worshiped by Jesus and the apostles? Did they worship it and call it their lord just like you catholics call the Eucharist Christ on the wafer board. Your own god is a wafer, my God is not a wafer and neither can a wafer be my God.

For long, your priests have deceived you into believing that that wafer they give to you is God. How can it be God? It is only a representation of God. You cannot literally eat God my friend. This rebuttal i know was responsible for the massacre of many innocent Christians in those days by the catholic monks for refusing to accept the demonic teaching of the Eucharist that the wafer being eaten is God. Imagine that wafer fall on the ground and trampled by someone, you probably are saying that God is being trampled on the floor under a man's feet right? Can you beat that?

Let me iterate. Jesus did not worship the wafer or bread and wine in the bible as they is no where in the bible that says that unless your catholic bible says so.

Back to the topic. Your understanding of the scriptures and its significance is so warped that the errors and herecies you people are churning out is so alarming, yet you refuse to see it. Bread and wine does not connote a god being worshiped. Your images of mary (of the apparitions) is clearly a violation of the command which says you shall not make the image of anything anywhere. Shikena!

cgift:

Imhotep, you deceive yourself so much that you make me wonder! When the 2nd Commandments in the bible talked about you not making the image of anything on earth or in heaven and worshiping them, in what was the bread and wine worshiped by Jesus and the apostles? Did they worship it and call it their lord just like you catholics call the Eucharist Christ on the wafer board. Your own god is a wafer, my God is not a wafer and neither can a wafer be my God.

Then why were some of them dying (according to St. Paul)? Did bread make them sick

cgift:

For long, your priests have deceived you into believing that that wafer they give to you is God. How can it be God? It is only a representation of God. You cannot literally eat God my friend. This rebuttal i know was responsible for the massacre of many innocent Christians in those days by the catholic monks for refusing to accept the demonic teaching of the Eucharist that the wafer being eaten is God. Imagine that wafer fall on the ground and trampled by someone, you probably are saying that God is being trampled on the floor under a man's feet right? Can you beat that?

olaadegbu has a different opinion =>

olaadegbu:
Jesus Christ commanded His disciples to take the "Lord's supper" as often as we can in memorial of Him until He comes back. So it is not a sin to partake of the Lord's supper

You disorganised Protestants.

cgift:

Let me iterate. Jesus did not worship the wafer or bread and wine in the bible as they is no where in the bible that says that unless your catholic bible says so.

Paul says so. Or has hatred made you blind to this?

cgift:

Back to the topic. Your understanding of the scriptures and its significance is so warped that the errors and herecies you people are churning out is so alarming, yet you refuse to see it. Bread and wine does not connote a god being worshiped. Your images of mary (of the apparitions) is clearly a violation of the command which says you shall not make the image of anything anywhere. Shikena!

Martin Luther deleted 7 books from 'his' bible. Why do you follow him?

Der is only one god you fool you. ISLAM

@cgift

Just in case you have skipped these parts of your bible ==>

1 Cor 10:16-17

16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

How is it that the 'cup of blessing' and the 'bread' are linked to communing with the blood and body of Christ??


1Cor 11:20-31

20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord`s supper:

21 for in your eating each one taketh before [other] his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you? In this I praise you not.

23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;

24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 In like manner also the[b] cup[/b], after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye proclaim the Lord`s death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.


28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.

30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few are dead.

31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.

How does eating ordinary bread and drinking wine lead to judgment, weakness, sickness and death

imhotep:

@cgift

Just in case you have skipped these parts of your bible ==>

1 Cor 10:16-17
How is it that the 'cup of blessing' and the 'bread' are linked to communing with the blood and body of Christ??


1Cor 11:20-31
How does eating ordinary bread and drinking wine lead to judgment, weakness, sickness and death

i repeat, where did they worship the bread and wine as God as you catholics worship it today? Show me in the bible.

How does eating ordinary bread and drinking wine lead to judgment, weakness, sickness and death

I think its clearly written here:

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Lord [color=#770077]in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.


28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.

30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few are dead.
[/color]

Which cause? vs 27-29. Peace.

cgift:

i repeat, where did they worship the bread and wine as God as you catholics worship it today? Show me in the bible.

How did bread and wine cause judgment, weakness, sickness and death? Ordinary bread and wine?

cgift:

i repeat, where did they worship the bread and wine as God as you catholics worship it today? Show me in the bible.

I don't think they worship it because Jesus instructs us to do it in remembrance of Him. I think you can do it as frequently as you want since Jesus did not give any time constraints. I only hate the idea of sharing a cup with so many people

A_K_O:

I don't think they worship it because Jesus instructs us to do it in remembrance of Him. I think you can do it as frequently as you want since Jesus did not give any time constraints. I only hate the idea of sharing a cup with so many people

@AKO
Thanks for the contribution.

@imhotep, our Lady et al

With a tender conscience,
check this list of the Ten Commandments: Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?
Have I made a god in my own image, a god to suit myself?
Have I ever used God's name in vain?
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?


If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

Thank you for taking the time to read this message.

I find this thread very interesting

@imhotep, our Lady et al

With a tender conscience,
check this list of the Ten Commandments: Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?
Have I made a god in my own image, a god to suit myself?
Have I ever used God's name in vain?
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?


If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

Thank you for taking the time to read this message.

Make sure you go through the list yourself. The FACT that you pointed out the Catholics should let you know that you are judgmental and you have just played the role of God. Seriously man. Who told you I worship anyone but God? Your own intellect? Who told you that you aren't wrong?
The audacity you have. When you become the perfect human being then can you open your mouth and speak to me or any other person in the world. How hypocritical of you. If you can point out that you haven't disobeyed the ten commandments IN YOUR LIFE, then you can address this to me. Until then hold your peace.

I will answer your questions because I have sinned

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?

No before I became baptised and annointed as a Catholic Christian, I was a protestant who went around judging Catholics and bashing them because I lacked understanding and love for them. I did so because my mother did so and hence set a very bad example for me as a christian. So no, I did not love God because I didn't love his people. I didn't love his beautiful creatures.

Have I made a god in my own image, a god to suit myself?

Yes before I became a Catholic Christian, I worshipped MONEY. I thought it was the solution to my problems. I didn't realise that earthly things didn't matter. I was busy going to church every sunday asking for God to give me money so that I can pay for school, go shopping, go clubbing, get a nice car (it crashed this year with me in it, I almost lost my life)

Have I ever used God's name in vain?

Yes. I have said "O God" when not in prayer.

Have I kept the Sabbath holy?

I have tried, America doesn't make it easy.

Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?

I have really tried. But the Bible said that they shouldn't provoke their children, and they have tried, lol.
I love my mummy.

Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?

Yes (hated) my step father. He has tried to take my life several times and mostly thru juju. I believe in God for a DEFINITE reason. I have let it go. I have forgiven him. I wish him peace.

Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?

Yes, ORLANDO BLOOM LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?

Ah I can honestly say no, I have not. Ha fear no gree me.

Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?

In my life, Yes. On these questions, No.

Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?

Yes, I was mostly driven by greed when looking for material riches from a protestant church.
Yes I was looking for power, I wanted to marry a politician and be his pretty little wife.
I was driven by the love of money. I mentioned these above.


But here's the funky thing. God is oh so merciful and oh so loving towards me and he shows me everyday as I strive towards perfection in him.

I have answered your questions. Are you bold enough to be truthful?


But I want to add this and please search yourself and discover the meaning of judgment before you answer. Have you placed yourself as God by judging others? (I have proof that you have, so be careful) Remember the greatest evil a man can do to himself is to deceive himself.

@olaadegbu
You are trying hard to evade the issue.

How come Jesus told us to remember him (in the Lord's supper) with bread and wine - material things.

Is he not breaking the 2nd commandment? What about worship 'in spirit and in truth'?

imhotep:

@olaadegbu
You are trying hard to evade the issue.

How come Jesus told us to remember him (in the Lord's supper) with bread and wine - material things.

Is he not breaking the 2nd commandment? What about worship 'in spirit and in truth'?

No one is saying Jesus should not be remembered. What we are saying is that the Vatican has built so many demonic teachings around the Eucharist such that you guys worship the wafer/bread) and the wine by bowing down to it and doing all sorts which is at variance with what Jesus taught and practiced. So where does the problem lie?

The communion can be very powerful especially if one knows the significance of it but not to be worshiped. It is idolatry when you worship the bread/wafer and the wine. Jesus and is disciples broke the bread and ate it. They did not worship it. Cant you get it? You guys just interpret the bible upside down and even display the effrontery of ratifying one who undermines the Lordship of Jesus. Tufiakwa!

When you see those robed men, take to your heels
'cos they have deception up their sleeves

cgift:

No one is saying Jesus should not be remembered. What we are saying is that the Vatican has built so many demonic teachings around the Eucharist such that you guys worship the wafer/bread) and the wine by bowing down to it and doing all sorts which is at variance with what Jesus taught and practiced. So where does the problem lie?

Quote your sources.

cgift:

The communion can be very powerful especially if one knows the significance of it but not to be worshiped. It is idolatry when you worship the bread/wafer and the wine. Jesus and is disciples broke the bread and ate it. They did not worship it. Cant you get it? You guys just interpret the bible upside down and even display the effrontery of ratifying one who undermines the Lordship of Jesus. Tufiakwa!

When you see those robed men, take to your heels
'because they have deception up their sleeves

Now I get it. We should trample on the bread not so? How smart you are.

See their deceit in high places


See how you deceive yourselves imhotep? The council of Trent has it that if anyone does not declare that its the body of Jesus being served as wafer, let him be anathema (which often leads to torture and death). that birthed the Inquisition which was made to save the face of the Catholic church when people discovered their fallacies about the Transubstantiation.

Vatican 2 has changed nothing of these gory laws which makes the world getting prepared for the next Inquisition.

Imhotep, did Vatican two change the law of worshiping the wafers? Now tell me where did your fathers get the injunction to worship the bread when Jesus and his disciples never did?

Tell me. I am waiting. Your lies and escapists strategies will eventually find you out and lets wait while you try hiding by your thin finger this time around.