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Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:43pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: on your authority, that is blasphemy? Hmm! The Jews will spit on you for calling the Ancient of days a MAN, indeed they were expecting a messiah but he was to be of human origin , not some mythical half god half man pagan nonsense. This is the reason why the bible says people like you prevent others from coming into the kingdom by making the word of GOD null and void with your man made traditions. Jews, Muslims, atheists and a horde of others ,who have an interest in knowing the truth , are put off by your irrational, chaotic and mystic teachings , which have no bearing to the truth. "The LORD swore to David a sure oath from which he will not turn back: “One of the sons of your body I will set on your throne." - Psalm 132:11 |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:46pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: your fake lols will not deter us from pounding your pagan myths into the ground , until they are revealed for what they are, fables and myths. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 1:46pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:It is interesting to notice that in 6 pages and counting, you are yet to tell us anything about the topic of your thread. #FrosbelExposed 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:48pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: In which case you may have a problem with English comprehension, I suggest you go back to page 1 and start all over again. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 1:49pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:Lol, I can see that you are now trying hard to derail your own thread in the hope that you can evade the question of Christ's pre-existence which you initiated yourself. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 1:50pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:I have and I didn't see anything resembling a reason. Can you post a link to the specific post you are talking about? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 1:52pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
ijawkid:Lol, do you now have a problem with Phillipians because it doesn't fit into your doctrine? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:52pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: in which case you may have problems with reasoning. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 1:53pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:Hahahaha, frosbel is it really that hard to link me to this post of yours? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:56pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: It's only a mouse click away, Page 1. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 1:58pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Phew!! Okay for those who want us to continue this debate without the usual detractors, let's carry on. @shdemidemi: , let's carry on from where stopped. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 2:02pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:Which of your posts in particular on page 1 are you referring to? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 2:03pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel: Phew!!Respond to this and stop dodging. https://www.nairaland.com/1321883/did-jesus-preexist-birth-honeychild/5#16525203 |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:06pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: I have never read philippians and mistook it to mean what you guys propagate it to be......only a twisted mind reads those verses and think otherwise.... I am asking you mr Anony to help Yahweh explain why he was starkly ignorant of a fact but someone else knew..... The reason why I say don't quote philipians again is because it would choke you up... Because at the end of the day this Jesus never dropped his divinity but ,rather he is even YHWH that came from heaven.... ........ 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: try this first and maybe we can have a civil discussion. https://www.nairaland.com/1321883/did-jesus-preexist-birth-honeychild#16388031 |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 2:11pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
ijawkid:I really can't make any sense of what you wrote up there. What don't you understand by God laying down His God privileges and humbling Himself to becoming the man Jesus Christ? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:18pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: How can YHWH drop his God priviledges??....are you sick or something??...... if I go by your rubbish "drop God priviledge ish" how should that make YHWH ignorant of anything but rather recognize that someone else knows something he is ignorant of..... Philipians 2:5-6 cannot help you o....... And you had better make sense of what ever I write because you guys are very sick people who have rubbished who the Father is....... 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by shdemidemi(m): 2:47pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
ijawkid: I gave up on this guy long time, the guy comes with an already made up mind set that is not ready to learn. Who ever tries to share the word with him is only wasting time. I am sure the fellow came in through his parent to the religion, if not he would not accept who he calls the father all together. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by shdemidemi(m): 2:50pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: He is probably talking about the book of Acts where Peter was asking when Christ would return the kingdom back to Israel. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 3:07pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:Finally after much dancing around, he agrees to defend his position. Let us examine his work shall we? First remember that the question is:Did Jesus Christ exist before He was born physically as a man? frosbel:Notice that how Christ was born tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not He existed before His birth. The verse above explains, if you remove all the complex theology of incarnation , the simple and natural process by which Jesus came into the world just like any other MAN ,with one small difference, his mother conceived not by the implanted seed of MAN ,but by the Power of the Holy Spirit.Notice that you have not given any reason why we should remove "the complex theology of incarnation". You have merely suggested we do so. Secondly, what does it mean to be concieved by the power of the Holy Ghost and how does this disprove anything about the pre-existence of Christ? I sincerely hope for your sake that you are not trying to suggest that Mary and the Holy Ghost had some sort of Spiritual sexual intercourse. You begin to wonder why Jesus said these things have been revealed to babes, it is the wise who form volumes and volumes of garbage called theology and end up muddling the simple process by which the Messiah was born into the world.An unnecessary addendum since you haven't yet said anything that would convince any one that Christ did not exist before His physical birth In fact this was predicted in Psalms by David when he said :And where in the bible did you read that this "DAY" referred to in Psalms was the same day Mary gave birth to Jesus? (mind you Hebrews chapter 1 tells a whole different story because there the Father goes on to say in verse 10 that the Son laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning and the heavens are the works of His hands.) The Messiah came in the flesh, he did not come as some greek mythological half god and half man, that is the stuff of Pagans.Another unnecessary point because we all agree that the Messaih came in the flesh. The question is: Did He exist before He came in the flesh? Let's look at another beautiful scripture :And this proves that Christ did not exist before His birth how? Moses attested to this when he said :Once again, you have told us absolutely nothing about whether Christ existed before His birth or not. You have not even made a simple case to start with not to talk of "complex" Matthew 1:21 And she shall bear a son, and you shall call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. I don't see how Matthew 1:21 tells us anything about whether or not Jesus Christ existed before His birth. Now let us look at what Jesus actually said about where He came from before coming to earth in the flesh. I'll just repeat myself again. "Brethren, why don't we end this nonsense once and for all. Frosbel has claimed that Jesus did not exist before he was physically born Jesus has answered by saying: No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.(John 3:13) Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. (John 6:37-38) ......When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?" But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see [size=14pt]the Son of Man ascending to where he was before[/size]? (John 6:60-62) The above words of Jesus Christ himself are explicitly clear and unambiguous." How do you respond? |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:08pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Ahhh!!!!.... And I believe you came here to learn ..right??.... What have I got to learn from polytheists??....... I mean you guys are freaking sick........ What have I to learn from people who can confidently say our heavenly YHWH the Father can die.... Weren't you the adamant fellow who was trying to convince your proud self that YHWH lied when he said that no one can see Him and yet live.....you denied Jesus' own words that no man hath seen God anytime..... And you come out here telling me I have an already made mind set....... Rubbish!!!!...... |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:11pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Abeg help anony answer why YHWH turn ignorant....... because he abandoned his God priviledges...... ..... Arrant rubbish..!!!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by shdemidemi(m): 3:25pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
ijawkid: You are gradually becoming a nuisance. They give you reasons why you are wrong, you don't even think about it, you treat responses to your ignorance with disdain, you will then come up with a fresh argument. When they answer your fresh argument , you rush back to the initial one. In the book of acts1 they asked Christ 6 So when they were assembled, they asked Him, Lord, is this the time when You will reestablish the kingdom and restore it to Israel? The question was a legitimate question but Christ had other plans before that could happen which is the gospel of grace for the entire world to get saved. Christ did not say no, it won't happen. He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with and know what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed [c]years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice and authority and personal power[/ |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 3:31pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
ijawkid: How can YHWH drop his God priviledges??....are you sick or something??......Lol, this is very simple. 1. Can God humble Himself? Yes He can. Why? 1a. If He can't humble Himself then He is demanding from man something that is beyond His ability and therefore cannot be God. 1b. If He can humble Himself, then He can indeed take upon Himself the form of a man and to do that He'll have to let go of some of His God privileges. 2. Does God have infinite love? Yes He does. How? 2a. If God is monadic in nature, then before creation, there was no other person to love because love can only exist in a relationship between persons. It would only be possible for God to love after creation and hence God would have to learn to love and therefore cannot be said to be omniscient. 2b. If God is Trinity, then Love can easily exist eternally in the Godhead i.e. God is Love Now if he second Person of the Trinity (the Son) gives up His God privileges and takes the form of flesh, it is perfectly easy to see how He (Christ) won't know what the Father knows while He remains in the flesh. However this doesn't contradict the fact that God knows all things. The problem is that you conceive the Trinity as 3 Gods rather than 3 Persons of one God. Until you can understand that, you will find the scripture difficult. In fact it is impossible for salvation by grace through faith to happen if God is monadic in nature. The sacrifice of the life of a mere man simply cannot atone for sin 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Mranony: 3:33pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi:Ijawkid is the side attraction here. It is really frosbel's response I am interested in. Especially as pertains the topic of this thread. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:44pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Jesus indeed knew who had all the authority and who had exclusive knowledge of fixed dates and times,which Jesus himself did not know........... Now may I take you back to mark 13:32 New International Version (©2011) "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation (©2007) "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. ___________________________ E be like you wan take us play. Abi...... See Jesus declaring absolute ignorance of an information that only one person in the whole universe knows/knew...... You guys are a very big joke.... 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:44pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:just as the jews picked up stones to stone Him Who they claim was making Himself, a Man, equal to God . This is the reason why the bible says people like you prevent others from coming into the kingdom by making the word of GOD null and void with your man made traditions.That statement you quote was directed at the pharisees, were they[pharasees] saying Jesus was God hence blocking people from coming to God... i dont think so Dont worry, i will create another thread and post some startling hebrew rendering of the verses you people have promoted, which you claim does not speak about Jesus [Yeshau] as God... Stay tuned. |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:45pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel:Bros plz can u tell us why christ is a man using bible verse. or is this what u feel because it support ur non trinitarian believe? a simple Jesus is a man according to this and that from the scripture will do |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:49pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel: Hmm... hope you wont point the Word as fables and myths....as athiest have been doing... hmmm |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:50pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:52pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony:The bolded blew my mind,what a revelation !!!! God bless you abundantly sir! |
Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:54pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony:ARE u sure this guy is not a Muslim masquerading as a Christian? |
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