Bontee:

It is not wrong as they are ignorant of the unity school system.

You're quite right.

Its the usual class oriented fellows who are making noise.

They see the unity schools as as representing elitist parts of society, so they think it bestows elitism on the attendees.

Nigeria is a fake country so am nt suprised. Bt wait a minute o is it nt d same teacher we hv in d south. Dat da have over dia? North and boko haram useless country and useless people

These house of reps, are they aware nigerian public schools need urgent attention?

Our so-called oil money, where is it.

cut off point of 9 and 13 Is this minister Mad or something?

How can 9 be a cut-off point? Maybe this story isn't true...

ACM10:

Congrats Mr. Noble, your campaign is getting attention.

I almost wanted to think towards that direction, but honestly I don't think there is anything to celebrate!
Nigeria cannot reform.
Will a day come when the man from Borno will see it from the same angle with the man from Lagos? Or the man from Enugu see it from the same angle with the man from Sokoto?

Just imagine the division over the declaration of state of emergency, that will tell you that Nigeria is not one country.

Thanks all the same.

These is all happening under the nose of the southern reps. What are their governors even saying. For those from the south who want to genuinely criticize GEJ government, your time is here. So much hypocrisy in the land.

noblezone:

We are saying that whatever is written there must be reviewed.
There is no justification in asking one student to score 139 and ask another one to score 2 in the same exam.

We are neither saying that every kid in the south is smart or default more intelligent than any kid from the north! Rather, it is the policy that is saying so! The policy makers by this policy are claiming that the Southern kids are more brainy than their Northern counterparts and hence the need to set different standards. Very High standard (for the South) and no standard at all (for the North).

Who is afraid of leveling the standard? By the way, are you saying the policy setting up the unity schools distastes academic excellence?

There is nothing to review in my opinion based on the reason why the schools were set up in the first place. There is suleja academy for 100 percent based merit irrespective of the regions or state of origin. The unity schools were established after the civil war to bring the best brains from all over the country ( in allocated quotas ) to train them under the same roof and foster unity among them.

Let me explain the bold above because that is what is causing problems for people who are angry with the cut of marks. In my opinion they should not have used cut of marks as a criteria if the goal is basically to brng almost equal proportion of pupils under the same roof to foster unity and oneness.

The unity schools were established to bring the best brains from each state and in so doing each state therefore has a different cut off mark used in selecting their best brains and it is totally independent of the cutoff mark used in other states. Lets say each state has 100 allocations for the about 104 unity schools across the country then each state must produce 100 students each if they can fill up the quota allocated to them. If they cannot fill it up then the remaining allocation is spread out to other brilliant students from other parts of the country.

Some states have a huge cut off mark because they have more students applying and performing well in the examination. States with cut off mark of 10 also lowered it to that level in order to meet their allocation and sometimes it is not compulsory to meet your allocation, then in this case you can increase the cut off mark to allow an amount of student that is not up to the given allocation.

The thing is the cut off mark is just used to screen the students that will be available for posting to any federal government college across the country. So when yobe sets a cut off mark of 10 then in so doing she is able to get her desired amount for posting to anywhere around the country.

Formular for admission into unity schools - X best brains from each state to be allocated to each unity school in equal y amounts.

Each state has the right to either fill or under fill their allocation and at liberty to use their own cut off mark in selecting their x amount of best brains and this is absolutely not the concern of other states period. Anambra can as well decide to make their cut off mark 198 and that is not the concern of yobe state so do you get the point now?.

But wait o, I just they winder o. Assuming there are these pupils both born and bred and also in the same school in Zamfara, but one is from Abia while the other is from Zamfara. After the entrance exam, the child from Zamfara scored 40 and the child from Abia scored 42. Then with the present arrangement, the Zamfara pupil will triumphantly enter unity school while the Abia pupil who attended the same school and was brought up the same way as the former will be called "olodo" stupid and asked to write again!
This is wickedness.

No be Small good morning, na today the discrimination start
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cogitoErgo: But wait o, I just they winder o. Assuming there are these pupils both born and bred and also in the same school in Zamfara, but one is from Abia while the other is from Zamfara. After the entrance exam, the child from Zamfara scored 40 and the child from Abia scored 42. Then with the present arrangement, the Zamfara pupil will triumphantly enter unity school while the Abia pupil who attended the same school and was brought up the same way as the former will be called "olodo" stupid and asked to write again!
This is wickedness.

Yes it is true but i do not call it wickedness as there are alternatives for the child from abia to attend state or private schools. Unity schools were not created for a uniform merit based criteria and you will understand when you read my post above.

It is only in Nigeria that schools are establised for the purpose of unity, instead of learning. Yet some mofos are shamelessly defending it. Later you wonder why Nigeria is a shithole.

In addition to my earlier write up . . .i just want to point it out that even when yobe has a lower cut off point than Anambra, it doesn't mean more students from yobe gets admitted than other states because there exist a predefined and equal amount allocated for each state. Even students from the south eventually fill up those places because the northern states are not able to fill their quotas. Anambra can as well decide to reduce their points to 2 and it will not change the prefixed amount allocated to it by the system.

Formular for admission into unity schools - X best brains from each state to be allocated to each unity school in equal y amounts.

Bontee:

Yes it is true but i do not call it wickedness as there are alternatives for the child from abia to attend state or private schools. Unity schools were not created for a uniform merit based criteria and you will understand when you read my post above.

Why should the state fund be spent on an institution that discriminates against its citizens? Why should one student from one part of the country be forced to attend a private school, while the other is sponsored or under generous subsidy by the government?

ACM10: It is only in Nigeria that schools are establised for the purpose of unity, instead of learning. Yet some mofos are shamelessly defending it. Later you wonder why Nigeria is a shithole.

They all still learn in the unity schools even if it was based on unity and there are other schools admitting on merit . . . Private, state schools and suleja academy. The unity schools are just about one to four for each state while state do have hundreds of secondary schools scattered within the state so whats the fuse?.

The only fuse here is because the unity schools are better than some state schools and if the states were better, who will give a Bleep about unity schools.

Bontee: In addition to my earlier write up . . .i just want to point it out that even when yobe has a lower cut off point than Anambra, it doesn't mean more students from yobe gets admitted than other states because there exist a predefined and equal amount allocated for each state. Even students from the south eventually fill up those places because the northern states are not able to fill their quotas. Anambra can as well decide to reduce their points to 2 and it will not change the prefixed amount allocated to it by the system.

Formular for admission into unity schools - X best brains from each state to be allocated to each unity school in equal y amounts.

Whenever I wakes up in the morning and remembers that I'm in the same country with folks like you, I feel sad. Who on earth will support this retrogressive policy?

Bontee:

There is nothing to review in my opinion based on the reason why the schools were set up in the first place. There is suleja academy for 100 percent based merit irrespective of the regions or state of origin. The unity schools were established after the civil war to bring the best brains from all over the country ( in allocated quotas ) to train them under the same roof and foster unity among them.

Let me explain the bold above because that is what is causing problems for people who are angry with the cut of marks. In my opinion they should not have used cut of marks as a criteria if the goal is basically to brng almost equal proportion of pupils under the same roof to foster unity and oneness.

The unity schools were established to bring the best brains from each state and in so doing each state therefore has a different cut off mark used in selecting their best brains and it is totally independent of the cutoff mark used in other states. Lets say each state has 100 allocations for the about 104 unity schools across the country then each state must produce 100 students each if they can fill up the quota allocated to them. If they cannot fill it up then the remaining allocation is spread out to other brilliant students from other parts of the country.

Some states have a huge cut off mark because they have more students applying and performing well in the examination. States with cut off mark of 10 also lowered it to that level in order to meet their allocation and sometimes it is not compulsory to meet your allocation, then in this case you can increase the cut off mark to allow an amount of student that is not up to the given allocation.

The thing is the cut off mark is just used to screen the students that will be available for posting to any federal government college across the country. So when yobe sets a cut off mark of 10 then in so doing she is able to get her desired amount for posting to anywhere around the country.

Formular for admission into unity schools - X best brains from each state to be allocated to each unity school in equal y amounts.

Each state has the right to either fill or under fill their allocation and at liberty to use their own cut off mark in selecting their x amount of best brains and this is absolutely not the concern of other states period. Anambra can as well decide to make their cut off mark 198 and that is not the concern of yobe state so do you get the point now?.

I understand your point but I am a little confused. They want to select the best brains from their state and a cut-off point of 10 will help that?? That is beyond low. All I can say is that schools up north need very radical positive changes otherwise... For them to lower cut-off points to that level? Mehn fear catch me o...

ACM10:

Why should the state fund be spent on an institution that discriminates against its citizens? Why should one student from one part of the country be forced to attend a private school, while the other is sponsored or under generous subsidy by the government?

The constitution says each state should give scholarship to the best students resident within each state as long as they are citizens of Nigeria but states in Nigeria only gives scholarship to people they term indigenes or whose state of origin is that state. So how about that as well or do you want us to dive into the wrong policy of admitting more indigenes into state civil services that is clearly against the constitution that request for state to employ Nigerian citizens from all part of the country?.

How would you have built the unity of this country if not through policies like this?, we are a multi ethnic nation to let you know.

this is completely disgusting!

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Rivers – Male(118) Female(118)
Sokoto – Male(9) Female(13)
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curiously the three northern states having cutoffs above 100 (Benue,Kogi & Kwara)are the three northern states that are that are basically considred un-northern

Bontee:

They all still learn in the unity schools even if it was based on unity and there are other schools admitting on merit . . . Private, state schools and suleja academy. The unity schools are just about one to four for each state while state do have hundreds of secondary schools scattered within the state so whats the fuse?.

The only fuse here is because the unity schools are better than some state schools and if the states were better, who will give a Bleep about unity schools.

If the unity schools wont admit on merit, then there is no need wasting the state fund on them. Which government in the world adopts the policy of discriminating against its brightest?

ekwah:

I understand your point but I am a little confused. They want to select the best brains from their state and a cut-off point of 10 will help that?? That is beyond low. All I can say is that schools up north need very radical positive changes otherwise... For them to lower cut-off points to that level? Mehn fear catch me o...

Now you understand the reason behind the unity schools and yes it is way beyond low but it is expedient they bring it low to eat from the unity school national cake established with the resources of every part of the country. It is low because i doubt if many students from those state gets above 100 so they have to lower it to take advantage of their allocated quota.

Bontee:

The constitution says each state should give scholarship to the best students resident within each state as long as they are citizens of Nigeria but states in Nigeria only gives scholarship to people they term indigenes or whose state of origin is that state. So how about that as well or do you want us to dive into the wrong policy of admitting more indigenes into state civil services that is clearly against the constitution that request for state to employ Nigerian citizens from all part of the country?.

How would you have built the unity of this country if not through policies like this?, we are a multi ethnic nation to let you know.

Dude face it, primary education in the north is thrash, talking from real life experience.

ACM10:

If the unity schools wont admit on merit, then there is no need wasting the state fund on them. Which government in the world adopts the policy of discriminating against its brightest?

Now that is a good point which i support too but remember it also translates higher to accommodate educationally less developed states and catchment area policy in higher institution of learning admission system. so the issue in our education system is do we want 100 percent merit based admission system or not. Which states are going to support or kick against it, in going forward then we will one day encounter the issue that this quota policy tried to avoid then again in the Niger delta people. They might be saying that how will you discriminate against us when it is our oil that is used to build and fund the schools in Nigeria.


Can we eat our cake and still have it?

Bontee: There is nothing absolutely wrong with the cut of mark so the house of reps will at the end of the day be chasing shadows. The purpose and system of admission into the unity schools has already been laid out so why the fuse about the cut off mark. We should rather focus on using a different criteria to select students into the unity schools since the present criteria is not allowing us to see the reason why they were established in the first place.

Note: In my opinion the present arrangement of admittance is faulty but the disparate cut off points is on the right foundation.

Let's put it this way, do you mind paying N135 for a litre of petrol while someone is allowed to pay N5 for the same litre of petrol simply becuase of his geographic location?

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Let's put it this way, do you mind paying N135 for a litre of petrol while someone is allowed to pay N5 for the same litre of petrol simply becuase of his geographic location?

The cost for attending a unity school is the same irrespective of the cutoff mark used in gaining admittance so the logic does not correlate for me and there is no where in the world such is practiced.

You guys should reason the order way too.
Lowering the cut off marks in northern states is a plan to get these kids to school b4 they grow to become idle and then Boko Haram.

I don't think it is a bad idea to lower cut off marks to get these kids to school.

I think education minister should resign for ethnicity, tribalism and discrimination as it is against section 42(1) of 1999 constitution.

Bontee:

There is nothing to review in my opinion based on the reason why the schools were set up in the first place. There is suleja academy for 100 percent based merit irrespective of the regions or state of origin. The unity schools were established after the civil war to bring the best brains from all over the country ( in allocated quotas ) to train them under the same roof and foster unity among them.

Let me explain the bold above because that is what is causing problems for people who are angry with the cut of marks. In my opinion they should not have used cut of marks as a criteria if the goal is basically to brng almost equal proportion of pupils under the same roof to foster unity and oneness.

The unity schools were established to bring the best brains from each state and in so doing each state therefore has a different cut off mark used in selecting their best brains and it is totally independent of the cutoff mark used in other states. Lets say each state has 100 allocations for the about 104 unity schools across the country then each state must produce 100 students each if they can fill up the quota allocated to them. If they cannot fill it up then the remaining allocation is spread out to other brilliant students from other parts of the country.

Some states have a huge cut off mark because they have more students applying and performing well in the examination. States with cut off mark of 10 also lowered it to that level in order to meet their allocation and sometimes it is not compulsory to meet your allocation, then in this case you can increase the cut off mark to allow an amount of student that is not up to the given allocation.

The thing is the cut off mark is just used to screen the students that will be available for posting to any federal government college across the country. So when yobe sets a cut off mark of 10 then in so doing she is able to get her desired amount for posting to anywhere around the country.

Formular for admission into unity schools - X best brains from each state to be allocated to each unity school in equal y amounts.

Each state has the right to either fill or under fill their allocation and at liberty to use their own cut off mark in selecting their x amount of best brains and this is absolutely not the concern of other states period. Anambra can as well decide to make their cut off mark 198 and that is not the concern of yobe state so do you get the point now?.

Your "best brains" really caught my attention!
Are you saying that the best brains from Yobe can manage to get just 2 out of 200?
Your explanations are okay, except that those are not the issues we are talking about.

How will someone who scored 2 (which means basic english and maths are serious problems) cope with someone who score 120?

Mind you, it not Anambra that decided to make their cut off to 139, it is the policy from the Federal ministry of education.

Emm, please as far as I can recall, 40% is the least pass mark!
What is wrong with you people? 2 is just a score of 1%! 1% for goodness sake!

This is why I will have to do whatever I can to make sure that we get Biafra out of Nigeria. Nigeria will never make progress with this sort of madness.

My God! So there is nothing like pass mark because it is unity school>

A child who cannot solve simple equation will be sent to secondary school to solve quadratic equation, and perhaps he does not need to pass. He must be promoted also, so that his quota must remain filled.

I am ashamed of being called a Nigerian.
I don't blame you guys sha, I blame Lord Luggard!

If the quota system is not abolished, things like this will never stop. In economics, if supply is fixed and demand exceeds supply, all you have to do is raised the price. This is the case in states with high cut off marks. And on the other hand, when supply is fixed and demand is lower than supply, you'll have to reduce your price to the level where the demand will be sufficient in order to avoid wastage even if it means giving it out at ridiculously low price. This is the case in states with very low cut off marks.
The high cut off marks in some states is due to high turn up of pupil for the unity schools entrance exams compared to states with lower cut off marks. Let's assume 500 pupil sat for the entrance exam in anambra state when only 100 are needed from each states. This means only the best hundred will be taken. On the contrary, if only 85 pupils sat for the exams in yobe state, in a quota system, this means all the pupils will be admitted even if some of them score zero. You can't expect the cut off marks to be even in all states when the turn up is different. This might even have little or nothing to do with intelligence. The thing is, there's little competition in the north because only few of them have interest in education.
I don't even care about the quota system in unity school, because it's in line with the purpose of its establishment. The only dangerous one is the federal character in appointment into public service and even in politics. As long as quota system in appointment is being abolished, there'll be no way the half baked products of quota system from these unity schools will affect our progress.
I even heard any person with only first school leaving certificate is eligible to contest for a seat at the house of reps, thanks to our northern 'brothers'.

Bontee: It is better people read up about the unity schools of a thing before they start abusing the people of northern Nigeria. Its not like every kids from the south is smart or by default more intelligent than any kid from the north.

then, they shd prove it by making yobe state 139 or 138 as anambra and imo states respectively

enigma_otr: If the quota system is not abolished, things like this will never stop. In economics, if supply is fixed and demand exceeds supply, all you have to do is raised the price. This is the case in states with high cut off marks. And on the other hand, when supply is fixed and demand is lower than supply, you'll have to reduce your price to the level where the demand will be sufficient in order to avoid wastage even if it means giving it out at ridiculously low price. This is the case in states with very low cut off marks.
The high cut off marks in some states is due to high turn up of pupil for the unity schools entrance exams compared to states with lower cut off marks. Let's assume 500 pupil sat for the entrance exam in anambra state when only 100 are needed from each states. This means only the best hundred will be taken. On the contrary, if only 85 pupils sat for the exams in yobe state, in a quota system, this means all the pupils will be admitted even if some of them score zero. You can't expect the cut off marks to be even in all states when the turn up is different. This might even have little or nothing to do with intelligence. The thing is, there's little competition in the north because only few of them have interest in education.
I don't even care about the quota system in unity school, because it's in line with the purpose of its establishment. The only dangerous one is the federal character in appointment into public service and even in politics. As long as quota system in appointment is being abolished, there'll be no way the half baked products of quota system from these unity schools will affect our progress.
I even heard any person with only first school leaving certificate is eligible to contest for a seat at the house of reps, thanks to our northern 'brothers'.

and who is asking bauchi andGombe students not to turn up for exams? amd who is forcing Abia students to turn up for exams too? mtchew

When would the North be educationally advantaged?
30 years ago the North was educationally disadvantaged,today they still are..

Some northerners on this forum are doing everything possible to defend this obnoxious policy without knowing that it makes a mockery of their intelligence. Left to the northerners we would still be under colonial administration till date. No wonder the Southern protectorate gained independence before them. Come to think of it what is wrong with males from YOBE STATE? Someone told me they used to suck the breast of cows. No wonder they don't have unemployed graduates there.