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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 12:32pm On Jul 04, 2013
frosbel:

truth ? Is the tithe as practiced in many churches today TRUTH ?

smiley
Is tithe not in your bible
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 12:37pm On Jul 04, 2013
Bidam: Is tithe not in your bible

Bidam the tithe advocate and collecting guru......cool
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 12:47pm On Jul 04, 2013
ijawkid:

Bidam the tithe advocate and collecting guru......cool
My bro.. u don tire for the trinity thread? How you dey?
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 12:58pm On Jul 04, 2013
Bidam: My bro.. u don tire for the trinity thread? How you dey?

Me I go fit ever tire for trinity thread??......

Na the day I die I go tire for trinity thread....

Meanwhile stop to collect tithe......

cheesy.....

I dey o.....I still dey busy dey read my books like never before.........
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by PastorKun(m): 1:28pm On Jul 04, 2013
Bidam: Is tithe not in your bible

Is the tithe in the bible the same as the one you collect today
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by AlPicapcI(m): 2:34pm On Jul 04, 2013
timilehin007: How do I live like Jesus abeg
good one!!!, say this prayer "Dear Lord Jesus Christ, I believe you died for me, today i accept you as my Lord and personal saviour".Get a Bible, start gradual by studing it, then you find a bible believing church. This is because... read Ephesians 4:11.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ono(m): 3:13pm On Jul 04, 2013
@Frosbel,
I would like to know you more.

I have been in Deeperlife since the early 80s. I was raised in the children church, was with the DLSO, DLCF and now even in the UK, with all the negative things I see around me in the church, I refused to leave. And I will not leave.

You have to take a stand. I am not in that church because of Pastor Kumuyi. He's not Jesus Christ. And Pastor is not my role model - Jesus is my everything. If I tell you my experience in the hands of so-called brethren in Deeperlife, you will wonder why I am still in the church.

Don't go out there and face the world and the Devil all alone. There are times the teachings, prayers and blessings I receive in the church on Sunday worship service, Monday bible study and Thursday revival hour service have this ''therapeutic effect'' on my spirit and soul. I don't get that feeling elsewhere and I have managed over the years not to allow church politics and the likes to take it away from me. May God help us all.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by royalsweetness(f): 4:53pm On Jul 04, 2013
Christianity is A way of life not A religion.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:06pm On Jul 04, 2013
frosbel:

Thanks for the sarcasm.

As a former member of a cult and religious organization in excess of 10 years, having escaped death once from the throes of Apostolic faith church, having almost lost my family because of deeper life, I have now been made free, in my freedom I can now see the lies, the bondage, the demonic possession, the hypocrisy , the fake MOG , etc and I am angry, not for me but for others.




Ok. If thesee two churches are fake, hypochritical, liars and all that you mentioned, may God deal with them accordingly and if you are the one that is fake and all that, may God do same to you. Amen.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:12pm On Jul 04, 2013
Bidam: But it is this same Jesus that says hell is real and "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". Why don't you agree with that statement of Jesus

Frosbel is a hypochrite. Only accepting what suites him in the words of Jesus and twisting the ones that are hard for him to accept.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by PastorKun(m): 9:27pm On Jul 04, 2013
alexleo:

Ok. If thesee two churches are fake, hypochritical, liars and all that you mentioned, may God deal with them accordingly and if you are the one that is fake and all that, may God do same to you. Amen.

If you were a true christian, you would be praying for who ever is wrong to repent and for God's forgiveness and not for God to deal with whoever is in error.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by DrummaBoy(m): 9:44pm On Jul 04, 2013
ono: @Frosbel,
I would like to know you more.

I have been in Deeperlife since the early 80s. I was raised in the children church, was with the DLSO, DLCF and now even in the UK, with all the negative things I see around me in the church, I refused to leave. And I will not leave.

You have to take a stand. I am not in that church because of Pastor Kumuyi. He's not Jesus Christ. And Pastor is not my role model - Jesus is my everything. If I tell you my experience in the hands of so-called brethren in Deeperlife, you will wonder why I am still in the church.

Don't go out there and face the world and the Devil all alone. There are times the teachings, prayers and blessings I receive in the church on Sunday worship service, Monday bible study and Thursday revival hour service have this ''therapeutic effect'' on my spirit and soul. I don't get that feeling elsewhere and I have managed over the years not to allow church politics and the likes to take it away from me. May God help us all.

Hello Ono

I am not trying to hold brief for Frosb here but I believe Frosbel is not trying to ask people to leave DLBC but rather for people to see as Christ sees.

I got into a discuss with colleaques at work on this John Kumuyi's issue and they all seem to have won the argument by stating that DLBC has her rules and if anyone would remain there they should keep the rules.

But my point remains, and I think that is Frosbel's position too, that the church is not for any man. It is not kumuyi's neither is it for any of those elders. The church is the body of Christ. The rules that are made must be subject to what Christ commands and which can only be found in the bible.

What i am saying is that the debate on what the bible really calls the believer to do on every issue of life, whether it be dressing, marraige, divorce, tithing, sunday worship, etc; we must subject it all to biblical standards.

Organzed church is not the will of God. Jesus did not form any church; the apostles planted churches but discouraged the idea of a church following one man's philosophy. The first organized church was Roman Catholic and there is no need to go into how far lost that church is today. And that will be the destiny of every organized church: because Jesus will not contend his position with man and He will allow Satan to have his way in so called churches.

That is why i shuddered when in one thread Bidam said we would be saved through churches. No church can save you. The church are men. And the position the hearts of men is at is where the church of Jesus is. And God wants the church to think right.

The John Kumuyi's issue is both good and bad. It is good that a so called true deeper lifer will do this and it is bad that it is ending in John's apology. I wished he stood his grounds but there is a limit most men can take.

This is prophecy: either before or after Kumuyi's(snr) death, a man will rise up and tear down every man made doctrine that church stands on and the deeper church will be divided.

I like deeper life. I still have friends there. I spent a whole service year there in 2002 bc I wanted to attend a serious church. God's way of saving that church and making it true to himself is his raising the likes of John Kumuyi to challenge the status quo and in the days to come they will succeed.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by flourishG(m): 9:58pm On Jul 04, 2013
^Every trees man had planted in that deeperlife should be torn down.So much judaistic teachings and that's y many of them all still commit secret sins.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 11:01pm On Jul 04, 2013
Pastor Kun:

If you were a true christian, you would be praying for who ever is wrong to repent and for God's forgiveness and not for God to deal with whoever is in error.

If you were a true christian you will know that there is nothing wrong with what I said. God knows how best to deal with every person or issue. He can decide to put an evil acts to shame in order to crush its acceptance in the heart of people. He can decide to deal with a false person's heart, or deal with the person/G.O by raising men who will say no to falsehood. God knows the best. Its you that knows what you are saying. Frosbel has been weeping and wailing over these two churches with so much bitterness in his heart and priding himself as perfect. If these churches are false and liars as he has said then its better God deals with them in a way that will save members from following their falshood and lies and if frosbel is false then same goes to him too so that people will be saved from his falsehood and lies. Amen. Its a balanced thing here.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 11:04pm On Jul 04, 2013
flourishG: ^Every trees man had planted in that deeperlife should be torn down.

Amen. This is one prayer I also pray for my church. Am not planning to leave them rather to continue contributing towards positive changes. No church and no human being is perfect.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 11:06pm On Jul 04, 2013
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on July 4, 2013 - 11:10 - Sahara Reporters

All institutions;religious or secular,operate by a code of discipline which defines inerrancy.The code only varies from one to the other.The essence ultimately is political control.It is the core desire of institutions to control the actions and even thoughts of their members and by extension society.

A member is duty-bound to follow those man-made doctrines.Christianity however is different from religion,and focusses on the liberation of the human spirit and direct access to the Father devoid of human medium which is what the Pharisees,priests and synagogues practised.

One's faith with God is different from his standing in a local assembly.Keep within the code for peace sake but NOT at the expense of your faith.

Faith is sacred,religion is a yoke.

1000 likes.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 11:32pm On Jul 04, 2013
m.k.o2005:

Animosity should be kept aside !
The word of God said we should be angry but sin not ! If you allow anger to stay up with u for long you know rage,malice,hatred for persons will eat you up. Then where is the love. Do not be like the Egyptian army that did the right thing yesterday but the wrong way ! You can save us with ur write up yet might not make it after all. Correct people with love. Pray for the ones you see as ur enemies today(MOG'S and other religious people) You might have the message who knows but i sure care about ur soul. Love conquers all !
God help us all

You ve told him the truth. I was going to tell you that he wouldn't listen rather he will defend himself and by the time I scrolled down I saw frosbel's response to you exactly what I knew it will be(full of defence for his wrongs). Now tell me, what is the difference between how he has defended his wrong action and how the MOGs he is accusing defend their wrong doings? Certainly no difference. Same way those MOGs twist bible to defend their wrongs was what he did now. Who is deceiving who?
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by olawalemanog: 11:39pm On Jul 04, 2013
all4naija: Christians being Christ-likes are just follower of a religion for the fact that they communicate with God. The other way round just the same way other communicate with fairy tale or legend.

So, it is a religion. If it is not a religion what is it?
Confusion galore...so christianity is no longer a religion. I thought it was a way of life which makes it a religion. Now if it is not a religion, then what is it?
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by olawalemanog: 12:01am On Jul 05, 2013
alexleo:

Ok. If thesee two churches are fake, hypochritical, liars and all that you mentioned, may God deal with them accordingly and if you are the one that is fake and all that, may God do same to you. Amen.
So, what have you benefited from this course? Some of you guys need to havr yout heads examined. Rubbish!
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 6:43am On Jul 05, 2013
olawalemanog:
So, what have you benefited from this course? Some of you guys need to havr yout heads examined. Rubbish!

It is you that need to have your head examined for running your mouth over what you don't understand. If your brain reasons in a balanced way you wouldn't have made your rubbish comment.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:04am On Jul 05, 2013
ono: @Frosbel,
I would like to know you more.

I have been in Deeperlife since the early 80s. I was raised in the children church, was with the DLSO, DLCF and now even in the UK, with all the negative things I see around me in the church, I refused to leave. And I will not leave.

You have to take a stand. I am not in that church because of Pastor Kumuyi. He's not Jesus Christ. And Pastor is not my role model - Jesus is my everything. If I tell you my experience in the hands of so-called brethren in Deeperlife, you will wonder why I am still in the church.

Don't go out there and face the world and the Devil all alone. There are times the teachings, prayers and blessings I receive in the church on Sunday worship service, Monday bible study and Thursday revival hour service have this ''therapeutic effect'' on my spirit and soul. I don't get that feeling elsewhere and I have managed over the years not to allow church politics and the likes to take it away from me. May God help us all.

It is not enough to remain in deeper life and be managing the situation there. You must have to help in your own little way to educate and liberate the minds of brethren at every opportunity you have. It must not be at the pulpit. It could be in any little gathering, in one on one discussions with individuals, in formal and informal gathering etc. I tell you, most of these brethren are honestly being obedient to the light they have received and if you can throw in more light to their understanding of some of these issues they ll embrace it and gradually it ll spread.
Now i will caution that for you to succeed in educating these brethren, you must not do it in the silly and stu.pid manner that frosbel is doing his own. If you do it that way, you will fail because the brethren will see you as an enemy of the church and discard your message. If you truly love your brethren, you will want them to be librated from such practices and as such you will carry it out in the best way that you can achieve the desired result. Leave frosbel and his manifestation of self and foolishness. You don't bother yourself about knowing him more. Knowing him more is as useless as not knowing him.

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Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 9:15am On Jul 05, 2013
alexleo:

Leave frosbel and his manifestation of self and foolishness. You don't bother yourself about knowing him more. Knowing him more is as useless as not knowing him.

Keep the insults coming, but what is new with you, you are supposed to be a beacon of light , representing Christ in word , deed and thought, however all we see is your insults and abuse on atheists, Christians who disagree with you and others.

You ire at me is for daring to expose the fact that your CULT almost led me to an early death by banning the taking of medicine and other weird practices, this seems to have bitten you badly. Your Apostolic Faith church has been responsible for many untimely deaths which really is murder, for preventing people from taking medicine.

Hypocrite !!!

smiley
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:26am On Jul 05, 2013
frosbel:

Keep the insults coming, but what is new with you, you are supposed to be a beacon of light , representing Christ in word , deed and thought, however all we see is your insults and abuse on atheists, Christians who disagree with you and others.

You are a hypocrite and poor example of what it means to be an ambassador for Christ.

smiley

What do you know about insult? Every disagreement with your style is insult. Now imagine you a hypochrite calling another person a hypochrite? NONSENSE. dont you abuse churches, pastors, christians, atheists and co? Have people not been condemning the way you talk about them? STOP BEING HYPOCHRITICAL. I still maintain, your style of spreading your message is silly and stu.pid for anyone to follow. Others here have cautioned you on this too. Let me tell you, I am not the person that you can intimidate with your false accusations. I will always face your lies and falsehood squarely as long as am in this nairaland so its not yet uhuru.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ono(m): 9:30am On Jul 05, 2013
alexleo and frosbel,
No need to argue in the open like this. We have a greater enemy who profits and smiles away when christians are at each other's throat. You need to grow beyond this level and begin to have an 'helicopter view' of issues.

Like I stated in one of my entries, the greatest enemy of mankind is the Devil. Give him an inch in your life and he will consume you totally. Let Jesus have complete control of your life and your destiny is sure both in this world and in the world to come.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 9:31am On Jul 05, 2013
Frosbel and alexleo e don do na........

Make ona settle......



cheesy
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 9:32am On Jul 05, 2013
alexleo:

What do you know about insult? Every disagreement with your style is insult. Now imagine you a hypochrite calling another person a hypochrite? NONSENSE. dont you abuse churches, pastors, christians, atheists and co? Have people not been condemning the way you talk about them? STOP BEING HYPOCHRITICAL. I still maintain, your style of spreading your message is silly and stu.pid for anyone to follow. Others here have cautioned you on this too. Let me tell you, I am not the person that you can intimidate with your false accusations. I will always face your lies and falsehood squarely as long as am in this nairaland so its not yet uhuru.

Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 9:32am On Jul 05, 2013
@alexleo....

Oya come make we go drill oil....

cheesy......
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:43am On Jul 05, 2013
frosbel:

Keep the insults coming, but what is new with you, you are supposed to be a beacon of light , representing Christ in word , deed and thought, however all we see is your insults and abuse on atheists, Christians who disagree with you and others.

You ire at me is for daring to expose the fact that your CULT almost led me to an early death by banning the taking of medicine and other weird practices, this seems to have bitten you badly. Your Apostolic Faith church has been responsible for many untimely deaths which really is murder, for preventing people from taking medicine.

Hypocrite !!!

smiley


Oh you forgot to add the bolded when you replied at first. Suddenly you remembered its your life jacket and quickly grabbed it. I have no business with your grouse with Apostolic Faith because we never knew you were a member and we never noticed you had left. Its you that is saying all that. Whether you were once a member and left is all useless. And since you left, the church has been growing and growing(including Deeper life). My own is that i will never allow you to spread your satanic teachings here. I know for sure that this OP is not your works and thats why it is well presented. If you were the writer, we would have seen the hand of satan in it as has been the case in your works. It would have generated war here as usual. Go and sort your evil manifestations out.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:45am On Jul 05, 2013
frosbel:


He laughs. And i join.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by alexleo(m): 9:53am On Jul 05, 2013
ijawkid: @alexleo....

Oya come make we go drill oil....

cheesy......

Oya make we dey go jare. But.....ehmm.....no carry me go far o make this my farmer friend(frosbel) no carry him evil seed spread for this farm(naira)land before i go come back.
Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:55am On Jul 05, 2013
"Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19) The Evidence Bible

False converts lack genuine repentance from sin.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16)

Only God truly knows the genuine from the false. The fact that hypocrites show up at a church building every Sunday doesn't necessary mean that they are Christians because there are no hypocrites in the body of Christ. The Church consists of true believers. Hypocrites are pretenders who sit among God's people. God may expose and expel them now or allow them to remain as a "mixed multitude" until the Judgment Day when they will be sorted out. All hypocrites will end up in hell fire, either they believe in it or not.

"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51)

Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by Nobody: 10:02am On Jul 05, 2013
OLAADEGBU: "Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19) The Evidence Bible

False converts lack genuine repentance from sin.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16)

Only God truly knows the genuine from the false. The fact that hypocrites show up at a church building every Sunday doesn't necessary mean that they are Christians because there are no hypocrites in the body of Christ. The Church consists of true believers. Hypocrites are pretenders who sit among God's people. God may expose and expel them now or allow them to remain as a "mixed multitude" until the Judgment Day when they will be sorted out. All hypocrites will end up in hell fire, either they believe in it or not.

"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51)

And the hypocrites are those who preach one thing and do another thing.

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