The only thing 2 say is found in d bible “every idle words that men speak they shall give account in the day of judgement" . A lot of people need to give respect and honour to whom it is due,I am not a member of DL but G.S is a man of God I respect so much and I always will,is it his exemplary life,humility,holiness that I will talk about? Be very careful of casting aspersions on a man of God,talk is cheap but d consequences can b expensive... Lots of pple invite problems and unexplainable complications to their life by so doing. Remember Korah and Abiram. There are so many so-called men of God that we don't know who is who but God is always jealous towards his own. A word should be enough for the wise.

There are bigger problems in Nigeria than what Kumuyi's daughter-in-law wears, abeg. One of the reasons religion tires me is the tendency for people to flog issues of adherence to rules endlessly.

By the way, if Kumuyi was sincere about resigning, he shld have done it. Why "offer" to do so only to be persuaded not to?

m.esther96:
nt jokin abt it!
im among d then youth choir of d church,bt wt d recent wedding issue,i quit!

you are a backslider....u've suddenly 4goten dat d way of the cross leads home!

Sealeddeal: Those that have been looking for ways to criticise Deeper Life Ministry have actually found one and are not mistaking in leveraging on that to vomit their venoms. The fact is,whatever actions that taken by the leadership will be done in such a way to give glory to God and strenghten the ministry which i so much trust. Though,i am not a member of Deeper Life,i find their tradition so adorable and i wish to join them one day.

What d heck r u waiting for? Join now na

frosbel:

Rubbish to the bolded.

We are all called into an office my friend.

"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers," - Ephesians 4;11

Ermm, rabbi! i had to go back and check the scripture you quoted like a berean should and i noticed,you omitted some is that a subtle way of twisting the bible to make it say what you want it to say? Or your bible doesn't have the word some there? Here is the correct rendition of that verse sir!

Ephesians 4:11



And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

There is no special person among the brethren, we are all on an equal plane and status.

Rabbi, my post never mentioned that.My post said not all are called into the five-fold ministry.

Stop this nonsense about some specially anointed men of GOD , we are ALL anointed , period.

Rabbi,rabbi,The church has a pluralistic eldership in the acts of the apostles.I never said anointed men of God in my post abeg.Leadership is not for everyone, it is a privilege God gave a select few.

"But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him." - 1 John 2:27


Come out of your churchianity bubble.

Every believer is anointed, but not every believer is called into the five-fold ministry. I am not the one saying it,it is the bible or are you trying to fight the word of God?This scripture you are quoting is not even remotely related to what we are talking about.

sheyie2007: Deeper life, I think they're confused set of people

a carnal man cannot understand spiritual things....i pray that GOD will open ur eyes 2 understand spiritual things

flourishG: Frosbel.Anytime you say d truth which men hates,these pple like pygru often jump on u.I hv noticed that.Just go n sit down n let me help u chase yr adversaries out of here because many of them are scripture empty,they just quote it religiously.

frosbel:

are you now female from male ?

You are running mad ooo.

I tell you say I be Male

manmustwac: There's a saying that goes "practice what you preach" which he clearly didn't do & he's supposed to set an example with his children being role models which he clearly did not happen. It just proves that when push comes to shove Pastor William Kumuyi is just a bloody hypocrite like most religious folk & resign? Did I read that he offered to resign? Sorry but african do not do resign O. He must be pretending with his offer to resign

. Pls mind your own business, what happen has happen. You bloody hypocrite, your opinion was never asked for

frosbel:

English pal.

[b]cul[/b]t
/kəlt/
Noun
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

In order words you are telling us all denominations are cults and the church you are presently attending is also a cult.

flourishG: don't start this nonsense today.

what

[quote author=Bidam]Ermm, rabbi! i had to go back and check the scripture you quoted like a berean should and i noticed,you omitted some is that a subtle way of twisting the bible to make it say what you want it to say? Or your bible doesn't have the word some there? Here is the correct rendition of that verse sir!

Ephesians 4:11



And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

English seems to be your problem again and again.

God gives gifts to people has he chooses, but ALL believers have a gift , some are pastors ( which is an office not a title ), some are evangelists , some are apostles etc etc.

Rabbi, my post never mentioned that.My post said not all are called into the five-fold ministry.

Show me from the BIBLE where ONE Person has a five-fold ministry.

Rabbi,rabbi,The church has a pluralistic eldership in the acts of the apostles.I never said anointed men of God in my post abeg.Leadership is not for everyone, it is a privilege God gave a select few.

The bible model of leadership is like this :

"The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. " - 1 Peter 5:1-3

Every believer is anointed, but not every believer is called into the five-fold ministry.

There is no such thing.

Where there is no law, there is no sin but where there is law and laid down procedure for doing things, contrary to it is SIN.
I therefore will not support the John Kumuyi as regards the dressing of his bride and the way the wedding was conducted.

manmustwac: There's a saying that goes "practice what you preach" which he clearly didn't do & he's supposed to set an example with his children being role models which he clearly did not happen. It just proves that when push comes to shove Pastor William Kumuyi is just a bloody hypocrite like most religious folk & resign? Did I read that he offered to resign? Sorry but african do not do resign O. He must be pretending with his offer to resign

yep, i think u re right most of these religous men dat hv been abused by dis so called tradition will now see dat wat goes around also comes around. G.O kumuyi shld nt use mouth 2 resign but he shld put it into action in order 2 satisfy those whose children hv done d same tin b4 n dey too were seriously punished.....so he too shld be punished according to their rules....no one is above d law

Mee234:
ARE u just noticing that fosbel knowledge of the bible is twisted and very defective? Everyone was called yet the Apostles told the early church '' chose ye seven men among you...... ' and yet still Timothy was ordained a leader.

My bro..his errors are so big i wonder,in trying to correct an anomaly he is opening another door to satan.

Bidam: My bro..his errors are so big i wonder,in trying to correct an anomaly he is opening another door to satan.

see who is talking , lol , this is the same false prophet Bidam who said the resurrection has past, who preaches on the tithe and prosperity fraud and has the gall to call me a false teacher.

Wonders will never end.

plappville: .What is wrong with this Deeper life self, how can they condemned the use of limousine, gold etc on their wedding day....

Didn't Abraham offers precious gifts to his sons future wife in the bible? Joseph also accepted a gold ring from king Pharoah. The bible does not condemned the use of gold. God's tabernacle was built with gold donated by the people etc....I don't understand the way Africans are taking Christianity.


Gen 24:53
Then the servant brought out gold and silver jewelry and articles of clothing and gave them to Rebekah; he also gave costly gifts to her brother and to her mother.

And what gives them the assurance that those that didn't wear jewelry on their wedding day will be 'married' to the groom on the day of judgement. Pure nonsense

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]You now shifting the goal post by asking me to show you where one man has a five-fold ministry..smh!

Pygru:
I tell you say I be Male

u know what happens to all liars?

frosbel:

see who is talking , lol , this is the same false prophet Bidam who said the resurrection has past, who preaches on the tithe and prosperity fraud and has the gall to call me a false teacher.

Wonders will never end.

see who is talking, , this is thesame frosbel who said there is nothing like hell fire.. Smh

frosbel:

see who is talking , lol , this is the same false prophet Bidam who said the resurrection has past, who preaches on the tithe and prosperity fraud and has the gall to call me a false teacher.

Wonders will never end.

Is this the best you could come up with to your defense? Stop peddling lies and stick to what we are discussing. You really are a sore.

Bidam: My bro..his errors are so big i wonder,in trying to correct an anomaly he is opening another door to satan.

The bible says there is more hope for a fool than for a man wise in his own conceit.

Mee234:
The bible says there is more hope for a fool than for a man wise in his own concept.

[color=#770077][/color]Na only God knw who dey serve am

NO BODY IS ENSLAVING ANY BODY. IF YOU CANNOT COPE WITH THE RULES OF AN ORGANISATION JUST SIMPLY LEAVE. BUT IF YOU MUST REMAIN THEN DONT COMPLAIN AND AS FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT CONCERN BUT CANT KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHOT. REMEMBER. Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

princesammmy: NO BODY IS ENSLAVING ANY BODY. IF YOU CANNOT COPE WITH THE RULES OF AN ORGANISATION JUST SIMPLY LEAVE. BUT IF YOU MUST REMAIN THEN DONT COMPLAIN AND AS FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT CONCERN BUT CANT KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHOT. REMEMBER. Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

GOD did not ask anyone to impose the rules of an organisation on his people, to do so is to be in rebellion against GOD.

Jesus reserved his harshest words for people who added tradition to the word of GOD.

Whether d doctrines of deeper life bible church are right or wrong is another matter entirely, left for another day. I think their lifestyle is just to help curb the many ills of society.

If you joined an association with their rules, regulations, guidelines and ultimately- lifestyle, then abide by them or you let be and dont be among.
If an adult doesn't hold same belief with a group of people, why remain with them?

If the couple didn't like the lifestyle of the church they shld hv gone to marry elsewhere to spare d church/their parents this ridicule. Or wear the approve wears and leave after their wedding.

But d groom didn't break any of their rules, why punish his father? The bride is coming from her father's house and expected to still be under her father. So yes, d bride's father deserved d axe

Sunday Sun gathered that the practice in the Deeper Christian Life Ministry is that if members’ children misbehave, both the children and their parents get punished on the grounds that it’s the parents’ failing in their responsibilities that made the children to err.

honorbule:

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/cover/sons-wedding-controversykumuyi-offers-to-resign/
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=552476171480829&set=a.222990231096093.55130.219647158097067

"In those days people will no longer say,
`The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge."

The above quotation from the scripture is taken from a prophecy of Jeremiah (Jer. 31:29) concerning our times. Where did "The bible believing church DEEPER LIFE" got their own traditions from. Definitely most of their rules have been built on human tradition of vengeance and retribution and not on God's law of mercy and compassion. Psalm 51 said "Holocaust and Sacrifice you do not want but a contrite heart you will not despise". I guess deeper life elders have thrown away their bible, no wonder they have been embroiled in this controversy. NONSENSE

princesammmy: NO BODY IS ENSLAVING ANY BODY. IF YOU CANNOT COPE WITH THE RULES OF AN ORGANISATION JUST SIMPLY LEAVE. BUT IF YOU MUST REMAIN THEN DONT COMPLAIN AND AS FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT CONCERN BUT CANT KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHOT. REMEMBER. Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Man, there is not wrong in Christians engaging on useful dialogue. Christianity is not military institution where because somebody who is your elder or minister did anything, you just swallow it. The same bible you quoted says "Test everything and see which is the truth". The scripture encourages us to refute every error and heresy with the "double edged sword - word of God". What we are discussing here is if the Deeper Life doctrine concerning the issue in question are in tune with scripture and as long that is done within the description of christian modesty and honesty, there is nothing wrong with it.

frosbel:

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