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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by tete7000(m): 6:29pm On Jul 07, 2013
The bride's father suspended and the General Overseer begged to remain. Another issue of double standard. The church seems to be going from one error to another. Both of them attended and took pictures at the wedding, so why should one be punished and other excluded. There should be no partiality in the house of God.
The first issue of double standard had been the wedding itself. Had it been another church member, the wedding would have been called off on wedding day with no minister from deeper life attending but despite the obvious flouting of the rule the wedding went ahead with the two senior members even taking pictureS. Let the truth be told - This is all DOUBLE STANDARD.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by aikeron: 6:31pm On Jul 07, 2013
Cursed is the man who tries to please God by obeying the laws, for no one is justified by the law in the sight of God (Gal.3 vs 10-11).
Through Christ is preached to us the forgiveness of sins, and by Him everyone who believes is JUSTIFIED from ALL THINGS from which you COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.(Acts 13 vs 38-39)

Deeper life please wake up,why put soo much emphasis on the laws christ has come to ease us out of through His finished works on the cross. A man who is born-again cannot and should not be judged by such traditional parameters as bng used by Deeper life church. I support John n his wife as long as thr salvation and relatnship with God remain intact.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 6:31pm On Jul 07, 2013
The newly weds made a statement. A statement for change. Change the only constant thing in life.

DL needs to look thoroughly into that cos a lot of young people within the church in this 'jet-age' i believe may be silently hoping for changes of some DL church rules.

But the main question as regards this wedding is did the couple sinned against God
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by flourishG(m): 6:31pm On Jul 07, 2013
tete7000:
Man, there is not wrong in Christians engaging on useful dialogue. Christianity is not military institution where because somebody who is your elder or minister did anything, you just swallow it. The same bible you quoted says "Test everything and see which is the truth". The scripture encourages us to refute every error and heresy with the "double edged sword - word of God". What we are discussing here is if the Deeper Life doctrine concerning the issue in question are in tune with scripture and as long that is done within the description of christian modesty and honesty, there is nothing wrong with it.
bless u love! These pple thinks because some are leaders they cannot be touched or spoken against when they err.they religiously quote touch not my anointed as if we are under d old agreement.every mouth that doesn't speak the truth even when it involves their leaders must n shut.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:32pm On Jul 07, 2013
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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by zetel95(m): 6:37pm On Jul 07, 2013
m.esther96:
dts nice,afterall my parents were suspended d last tim i wore miniskirt 2 church!
mini skirt is not meant to wear to church my dear, u r not goin to nite club. Is pple like u dat will wear wrong dressing to confuse preacher, after una come come out say pastor sleep with church member. U can try dat in my church, my usher will not even let u come inside. U will remain outside or go back to ur house. Amunideshe, lucifer pickin
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by oluamid(m): 6:39pm On Jul 07, 2013
Learn to investigate things before commenting on them publicly.

I've been going to Deeper Life for over a decade and all these restrictions you guys are talking abt baffles me.

I remember some years back Pastor Kumuyi had to respond to these insinuations @ a retreat. Who said DL members don't have television? Go to Coordinators' (district pastors) houses and you'll see cable television there.

Personally, there has never been a time there was no tv at home (and mum is a church worker).

Since time immemorial, giant screens and projectors have been used to transmit (via sat) Modays&Thursdays bible studies to various district churches.

As per make-up, dressing and the like, †нэ original message from the pastor was modesty. We all know how "some people" behave. Some tend to overdo things. Especially some so-called "born-agains". Am sure the white satin and turban was gotten from the way Kumuyi's late wife dresses. Same thing goes for the Pastors of Christ Embassy perming their hair. Was it Oyakhilome that forced it on them?

To see the true picture of things yourself, try and attend the monthly end of the month retreat for youths. Scales will be lifted from your biased eyes.

Am sure most of y'all here are just hating because its not "your church".

FYI: I'm not a DL member, as a matter of fact, am not even a xtian. it just happens that I've been going to the church since I was a kid.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:40pm On Jul 07, 2013
mysticgal:

olowotee about linda,just leave it out,cos frosbel will eat you raw,btw have watched mrs magret amures revelation casset.this magret made me change instanta.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgqrN-7VoY

This is Evangelist Margaret O. Amure, who experienced what happens immediately to those who ended their journeys here on earth.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by teetee123: 6:40pm On Jul 07, 2013
bknight: Whether d doctrines of deeper life bible church are right or wrong is another matter entirely, left for another day. I think their lifestyle is just to help curb the many ills of society.

If you joined an association with their rules, regulations, guidelines and ultimately- lifestyle, then abide by them or you let be and dont be among.
If an adult doesn't hold same belief with a group of people, why remain with them?

If the couple didn't like the lifestyle of the church they shld hv gone to marry elsewhere to spare d church/their parents this ridicule. Or wear the approve wears and leave after their wedding.

But d groom didn't break any of their rules, why punish his father? The bride is coming from her father's house and expected to still be under her father. So yes, d bride's father deserved d axe


Why should parents be punished for the behaviour of their adult children. It is a very wrong rule - man made principle. Salvation is personal not tied to parental apron.
If DL says parents of couples are to be punished for their wayward kids then Pastor Kumuyi should not be an exception. He formulated the laws and many parents have served punishment in past for the wrongs of their wards.

This should be a lesson to DL that shortcomings of your wards does not make u a failure or mean you have committed sins. Legalism will not stand the test of time
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by lomprico(m): 6:42pm On Jul 07, 2013
frosbel:

I have ONE Leader and he is JESUS.

My Head is not a Pastor or MOG.

"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." - 1 Corinthians 11:3
Guy u r too much! 100 million likes
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Expensiveman: 6:44pm On Jul 07, 2013
nonsence and rubbish tradition

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:51pm On Jul 07, 2013
Testimony of HEAVEN and HELL [ENGLISH] - Adelaida de Carrillo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izz37bzBZxc
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by flourishG(m): 6:52pm On Jul 07, 2013
aikeron: Cursed is the man who tries to please God by obeying the laws, for no one is justified by the law in the sight of God (Gal.3 vs 10-11).
Through Christ is preached to us the forgiveness of sins, and by Him everyone who believes is JUSTIFIED from ALL THINGS from which you COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.(Acts 13 vs 38-39)

Deeper life please wake up,why put soo much emphasis on the laws christ has come to ease us out of through His finished works on the cross. A man who is born-again cannot and should not be judged by such traditional parameters as bng used by Deeper life church. I support John n his wife as long as thr salvation and relatnship with God remain intact.
a man is only obedience n responsive to a law ONLY when he is alive,Romans 7:1.when he is dead, obedience n responses to an existing law keeping is null n void.Romans 7:4-6
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by fxman62: 6:52pm On Jul 07, 2013
k2039:
He may not necessarily be a hypocrite. If he had a son like me, the situation on ground would have been worse and if he had a son like you the situation would have been completely disastrous.

Whatever the father considers modesty doesn't necessarily mean the son has the same conviction, the fact that my parents are christians is not enough reason for me to be one, I have to be convinced personaly that christianity is the real way, so if I decide not to be a christian, it doesn't mean my parents have failed, I just don't see things there way.

My issue with DL is just that I don't know why someone would wake up and say every kid that turns bad weren't raised the right way, this is something that amuses me, the GS would now understand that all kids who turned out to be wayward may not necessarily mean it was as a result of bad parenting..



The GS should be happy he didn't have a son like me, my wife would probably have worn trousers to the wedding ceremony because I see absolutely nothing wrong in puting on trousers for the ladies, Now you get my drift.

I have said it before and I say it now that John was wrong in what he did. every family has its own way of doing things. What the family I come from may count as bad may be what your family glorifies. John and Love were not in doubt about what DL preaches and does. If they were in disagreement, they should have left the church long ago at least after attaining the age of accountability (18). But they chose to remain! It's like being in the military and discovering you do not believe in the code of conduct of the military. A wise man will resign his commission at that point. But if he chooses to stay back and refuse to be mobilized for war on any grounds, he will be court-martialled. Ask Mohammed Ali. He was mobilized to go to Vietnam but refused to go because he did not believe in the war and he was stripped of his World heavy-weight title! Ali should have simply renounced his American citizenship but he clung to it but refused to obey America. John and Love in staying back in the church while deciding they do not believe in the doctrines of the church is the hypocrisy that I see here. Martin Luther King left the Catholic church when he could not cope with the doctrines of that organization. He was asked to recant but he placed his hand on the Bible and said to his accusers, "On this word of God i stand, the just shall live by faith" That John and Love have apologized show that they do not have any personal conviction as to what they did! They are the problem here, not DL or the GS.

The question now is should a parent share in the blame for the child's misbehaviour? Check the scripture and you will see that the answer is Yes. Eli is one clear example. The Bible in the book of Timothew prescribes raising Godly children as a prerequisite for being a deacon (church worker). In this case therefore, I agree that the Pastor should go on suspension for a few months so he can show to all that he is not above the scriptures.

And if you do not have children yet or your children are still young and they seem like angels, rather than spend time condemning DL or the GS, I suggest you begin to pray for God-fearing children because the things children do these days are becoming stranger and stranger. Its all a fulfillment of the scripture. Raise them without the Bible they give hell, raise them with the Bible, they disappoint. Where do we go from here? May God help us all.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:54pm On Jul 07, 2013
OLAADEGBU:

Testimony of HEAVEN and HELL [ENGLISH] - Adelaida de Carrillo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izz37bzBZxc

Published on 24 Jun 2012

Adelaida was taken to Hell where she saw many things among which were women preachers, women that use make up, die their hair, wear jewelries, gays & lesbians, cigarette smokers, drug addicts, idolaters and many other things. She was taken to Heaven where she saw the departed saints, the crowns and the white garments of the saints, she also saw the table of the LORD's supper ready and the angles ready to sound the trumpet. PLEASE watch and share
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by tete7000(m): 6:55pm On Jul 07, 2013
But d groom didn't break any of their rules, why punish his father? The bride is coming from her father's house and expected to still be under her father. So yes, d bride's father deserved d axe[quote author=teetee123][/quote]

Why didn't the groom's father declined taking pictures? Couldn't the groom have insisted on the bride wearing appropriate dress for the occasion or you want to tell me he has not been involved in the wedding plan all along? If the groom approved that dress, it shows he didn't respect his father's stand on issue like that and he is culpable and indirectly making his father culpable of bringing up a disrepectful son. Everybody that appeared in the picture are culpable, the least anybody could have done to show his displeasure is to have declined to be part of the photograph. The photograph put a seal of approval from everyone that appeared in it. Your argument lacked merit.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 6:58pm On Jul 07, 2013
Na thier headache!
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 7:05pm On Jul 07, 2013
Do not fall for these out of body witchcraft false visions.

God has given us everything that pertains to life and godliness in his word.

Be careful of these demonic manifestations in these last days.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by fxman62: 7:07pm On Jul 07, 2013
aikeron: Cursed is the man who tries to please God by obeying the laws, for no one is justified by the law in the sight of God (Gal.3 vs 10-11).
Through Christ is preached to us the forgiveness of sins, and by Him everyone who believes is JUSTIFIED from ALL THINGS from which you COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.(Acts 13 vs 38-39)

Deeper life please wake up,why put soo much emphasis on the laws christ has come to ease us out of through His finished works on the cross. A man who is born-again cannot and should not be judged by such traditional parameters as bng used by Deeper life church. I support John n his wife as long as thr salvation and relatnship with God remain intact.

What law are your talking about? The law of holiness? The law of perfection? The law of modesty? The law of one man one wife? The law of no divorce after marriage? The law of no partying? Did Christ not encourage these in his teachings? Did the early apostles not emphasize them in their teachings? Did we not receive the gospel through these early apostles? For God's sake, if we must criticize, DL, let's look for better things to say. Christ did not save us to live a lawless life. In fact Jesus told us that when we choose to follow him, we have a 'yoke' to bear. Matt 11:28. In another part, he calls it 'cross'. he said, "anyone that will follow me will take up his cross" You think the cross is easy? Even Jesus did not find it easy. Maybe it's because of the wrong teachings that we receive these days that made us believe that the Christian life is meant to be an easy roller-coaster kind of life. No! That my dear is religion not Christianity. The true Christian lives a sacrificial life! Read Rom 12:1. We are called upon to present ourselves, a living sacrifice! Paul understands this very well. He said, "those things that were gain to me, I counted loss that I might gain the excellency that is in Christ Jesus" Flamboyant life, flamboyant wedding, worldly enjoyment and amusement, that should have been gain to me, I count as loss, that was what Paul said. Are we going to a different heaven? let's wake up and follow the scriptures.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:08pm On Jul 07, 2013
frosbel:

Do not fall for these out of body witchcraft false visions.

God has given us everything that pertains to life and godliness in his word.

Be careful of these demonic manifestations in these last days.

When you finish day dreaming you may proceed to dreaming your worst nightmare. shocked
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by salt1: 7:10pm On Jul 07, 2013
I am writing this for those Christians who are desirious of making heaven and are willing to pay the price. What Kumuyi is teaching and preaching is not man-made tradition. Other holiness ministries like Apostolic Faith and Charismatic Renewal are also vocal in this regard
. Can a Christian dress anyhow and still please God? No! Rom 12:1 and 2Cor 7:1 tells of the body. If going to heaven was that easy, the Lord won't say they are few that find that narrow way and straight gate. I have never heard of anyone turned back from the gate of heaven because he was too holy in his dressing but I have heard and seen those who Would have gone to hell over worldy dressing. What's at stake here is eternity. You can choose to believe what you like

God will not lower His standard for anybody's sake. God is of purer eyes than to behold sin and anything worldy in dress, attitude and conduct makes the person an enemy of God.Of course the inner man must be saved, sanctified and baptised with the Holy Ghost. When the inside is right, the outside will naturally line up to live a God-glorifying, heaven-focussed life

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by tete7000(m): 7:13pm On Jul 07, 2013
salt 1: I am writing this for those Christians who are desirious of making heaven and are willing to pay the price. What Kumuyi is teaching and preaching is not man-made tradition. Other holiness ministries like Apostolic Faith and Charismatic Renewal are also vocal in this regard
. Can a Christian dress anyhow and still please God? No! Rom 12:1 and 2Cor 7:1 tells of the body. If going to heaven was that easy, the Lord won't say they are few that find that narrow way and straight gate. I have never heard of anyone turned back from the gate of heaven because he was too holy in his dressing but I have heard and seen those who Would have gone to hell over worldy dressing. What's at stake here is eternity. You can choose to believe what you like

God will not lower His standard for anybody's sake. God is of purer eyes than to behold sin and anything worldy in dress, attitude and conduct makes the person an enemy of God.Of course the inner man must be saved, sanctified and baptised with the Holy Ghost. When the inside is right, the outside will naturally line up to live a God-glorifying, heaven-focussed life

You said dress anyhow. Can you point to what was 'ANYHOW' in what the lady wore. That's the bane of the argument. Nobody condones indecent dressing but the dressing in question is not indecent and anyhow.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 7:14pm On Jul 07, 2013
OLAADEGBU:

When you finish day dreaming you may proceed to dreaming your worst nightmare. shocked


You are unwittingly promoting witchcraft snd astra travel.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by k2039: 7:14pm On Jul 07, 2013
HotNaijaBabe:

You will attend!

All I need is a building. A few family members to start. And I will make my rules.. Perform MIRACLES! And viola!

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Some people trek from their house to church- SHOELESS!

Some pray with Colored Candles.

Some wear Akposhe and China-material.

Some don't pierce ears, watch TV or Marry outside their church.

Some kill for their god( for reward of Virgins)

Some go for Deliverance 100 times in a year.

Some can NOT love their neighbors that they see everyday. But they claim to love GOD that they have never seen.


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All I see is Man-made rules just to SUBDUE people and make them Manageable...

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 7:16pm On Jul 07, 2013
salt 1: I am writing this for those Christians who are desirious of making heaven and are willing to pay the price. What Kumuyi is teaching and preaching is not man-made tradition. Other holiness ministries like Apostolic Faith and Charismatic Renewal are also vocal in this regard
. Can a Christian dress anyhow and still please God? No! Rom 12:1 and 2Cor 7:1 tells of the body. If going to heaven was that easy, the Lord won't say they are few that find that narrow way and straight gate. I have never heard of anyone turned back from the gate of heaven because he was too holy in his dressing but I have heard and seen those who Would have gone to hell over worldy dressing. What's at stake here is eternity. You can choose to believe what you like

God will not lower His standard for anybody's sake. God is of purer eyes than to behold sin and anything worldy in dress, attitude and conduct makes the person an enemy of God.Of course the inner man must be saved, sanctified and baptised with the Holy Ghost. When the inside is right, the outside will naturally line up to live a God-glorifying, heaven-focussed life


God does not do deeperlife or apostolic faith , he does only the body of Christ.

Stop teaching the commandments and traditions of men.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by salt1: 7:21pm On Jul 07, 2013
frosbel: Do not fall for these out of body witchcraft false visions.

God has given us everything that pertains to life and godliness in his word.

Be careful of these demonic manifestations in these last days.

You're right that we do have a more sure word of prophecy which is the Bible. Since the Bible is the standard, we gauge every revelation or vision from the contents of the Bible
Witchcraft and false manifestation? Yet encouraging people to live holier, godly lives? It doesn't tally. God is going to judge all wordliness and ungodliness. He is sending warnings which we can choose to heed or ignore.

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Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jul 07, 2013
^^^

It does not encourage godly living , these false visions pomote fear and hypocrisy. In other words , people start to dress like saudis , not because they love God but due to the fear of a place of torture.

Remember , even Satan appears as an angel of light.

Anything that is not done out of love is worthless.
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by salt1: 7:25pm On Jul 07, 2013
tete7000:

You said dress anyhow. Can you point to what was 'ANYHOW' in what the lady wore. That's the bane of the argument. Nobody condones indecent dressing but the dressing in question is not indecent and anyhow.

Sorry I wasn't just addressing the wedding but the dress issue among Christians. Our bodies, God's temples, must be presented blameless to the owner
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by tete7000(m): 7:27pm On Jul 07, 2013
salt 1:

Sorry I wasn't just addressing the wedding but the dress issue among Christians. Our bodies, God's temples, must be presented blameless to the owner

I concur 100% with you
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by salt1: 7:32pm On Jul 07, 2013
frosbel:


God does not do deeperlife or apostolic faith , he does only the body of Christ.

Stop teaching the commandments and traditions of men.
Did I say Go to Apostolic Faith and you'll make heaven automatically? Incidentally the true church, the church within the church, observes the same principles of godliness of body, soul and spirit, no matter the denomination
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by DexxyAlebs(m): 7:40pm On Jul 07, 2013
m.esther96:
dts nice,afterall my parents were suspended d last tim i wore miniskirt 2 church!
ar u kiddn me? I c u o
Re: Kumuyi Offers To Resign Over Son's Wedding Controversy by Hourglass4real: 7:43pm On Jul 07, 2013
Flogging a dead horse, I say. Why not leave this issue alone already? Deeperlifers, has it occured to any of u that mayb ur GO wantd 2 use that event 2 implement change? He travelld al the way to Jamaica, didn't insist d son shld wed here in naija,was at d weddng, happily snapd pics... I say u guys shld leave this mata, suspendng him might giv u temporal satisfactn buh it wld change nothng eventualy. Wht is done is done alrdy... Jst learn frm it, serve God and nobody else.

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