Chai..!!, Igbos have suffered in Nigeria, ''IGBO'' the most common word on Nairaland, even yorubas cannot hear anything 'IGBO' and pass-by? Chai!!, well the bottom line is that Igbos in S.E dont even care who is Igbo or not, all we know is that when we see any Igbo man from S.S (Rivers or Delta) we communicate fluently with them with IGBO language without even caring wether they accept or not, is not our business, to be sincere its only here on Nairaland that who is Igbo is debated just because of State creation and geo-political zone, chai...!! Niaja which way?? me don tire for all this shit oo, Chiokike bia wey......

Pharoh:
@Afam . . . . The distancing from the igbo identity has almost nothing to do with language, culture or politics if you people can simply take the time to understand the opposing views. Going forward will imply that if there will ever going to be a form of relationship with igbos then it will almost have nothing to do with those earlier stated facts.

Your argument about Anioma not being part of the Igbo umbrella has always centered around "Ideology" and i'm telling you that Ideology has little or nothing to do with ethnicity. Ethnicity is mostly cultural and most likely have little to do with origin. If Anioma is ideologically different then there's nothing wrong with it but that does not change their ethnicity. Should Nigeria break up, Anioma musn't be in Biafra. They could even form a republic with the Yorubas but that won't change the fact that they are Igbos and culturally they will align with their Igbo brothers in Biafra but politically and ideologically, they could chart their destiny alone. An example of this, is the Indian sub-continent where you have people from the same ethnic group in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. The same with the Chinese that are found in different countries and they have different political orientation. Being Chinese can be different from being from China.

Pharoh:

Thank you so much for your write up there and the first sentence in bold is what we have been trying to pass out to them but they just do not get it. Some things are more fundamental to us than pointing towards language or culture and just like you the anioma people do not have any problem with igbos despite the distancing from them.

Aniomas first and foremost only need their own state or absolute control of their homeland and we will take it all from there. We are not so concerned about politics of numbers, being the president of Nigeria or holding elective political positions in other parts of the country. The identity of the various people within anioma is of no absolute concern to us as the unity of our thinking and functioning minds is the foundation and strength of this union.

@Afam . . . . The distancing from the igbo identity has almost nothing to do with language, culture or politics if you people can simply take the time to understand the opposing views. Going forward will imply that if there will ever going to be a form of relationship with igbos then it will almost have nothing to do with those earlier stated facts.

IS ANIOMA A TRIBE, IS ANIOMA NON IGBO AND WHY DO WE HAVE THIS DICHOTOMY IN DELTA IGBO, AGBORS SAID THEY ARE NOT IGBO, ANIOMA SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBO. TO BE HONEST I HAVE NOT SEEN AN ABOH MAN BEFORE IN MY LIFE..... I THINK THEY ARE GOING EXTINCT. WHERE IN MAP IS ABOH ANYWAY. WE IGBOS CARE LESS ABOUT THESE DUDES I MUST SAY AND THEY SEEMS TO BE IMPACTLESS AND INMATERIAL TO IGBO CAUSE.

IGBOS DO NOT LEAN ON PEOPLE BUT ON THEIR INGENUITY. I KNOW FOR SUR AND I HAVE SEEN IN LAGOS SOMANY KWALE AND AGBOR SAYING THEY ARE IGBO AND IF YOU DOUBT THIS GO ASK A BENIN OR URHOBO AND IJAW WHICH TRIBE IS ABOH ..... THEN GET BACK AND ANSWER ME. THANK LORD MY KWALE LOVELY WIFE HAS SEN REASON WITH ME, AND WHY DO THEY ALWAYS FEEL OK WITH US THAN OTHERS.

I MUST SAY THEY PRODUCE GOOD WOMEN AND MY WIFE IS JUST ONE.

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SOME ANIOMA IGBOS AND SOME OTHER IGBOS IN DELTA STATE, RIVER STATE(Ikwerrre), CROSS RIVER STATE,AKWA IBOM STATE AND BENUE STATE ARE GOING ABOUT WITH WRONG INFORMATION AGAINST THE IGBOS ON THE CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR BUT BELOW THE FACT IS THAT ANIOMA IGBOS CAUSED THE WAR AND THIS IS THE FACT - READ THE FACTS: DESPITE THEIR CLAIM AND JUMPING SHIP TO NIGERIA SIDE WHO HAS A BETTER FUTURE IN NIGERIA TODAY. OUR CHILDREN ARE DOING BETTER THAN THEIR CHILDREN IN EVERY FIELD AND IT WILL BE NICE FOR THE IKWERRE AND ANIOMA PEOPLE TO KEEP LOOKING INWARD AND CONTINUE TO BE A MNIORITY UPON MINORITY IN DELTA AND RIVER STATE AS THEY WOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED IN MAKING THEMSELVES TOO SMALL TO BE RECOGNISED NATIONALLY.


ANIOMA IGBOS PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE FIRST MILITARY COUP IN NIGERIA AND AFTER IT FAILED THAT ACTION STARTED THE CIVIL WAR IN NIGERIA FROM 1966 TO 1970 AND THEY ANIOMAS AND OTHER IGBOS WRONGLY KEEP BLAMING THE SOUTH EAST IGBOS FOR THEIR TROUBLES IN THE NIGERIAN PROJECT.


THE HAUSAS, THE YORUBAS AND OTHER NIGERIA FELT THAT THE IGBOS STARTED THE COUP AND CIVIL WAR AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO KNOW WHICH IGBO. INFACT AGUIYI IRONSI, OJUKWU, MADIEBO, ZIK, OKPARA AND OTHER IGBOS SHOULD HAVE TOLD NIGERIANS FROM HAUSA, YORUBA AND OTHER NIGERIANS THAT ANIOMA IGBOS STARTED THE TROUBLE IF WE KNEW THAT THEY WILL TURN AROUND TODAY TO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBOS. IF AGUIYI IRONSI, OJUKWU, ZIK AND CO HAD MADE THE DIFFERENCE CLEAR THE WAR WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, BUT THEY WERE PROTECTING THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND WE ALL HAVE DIED AND SUFFERERED FOR IT AND TODAY SOME ANIOMA PEOPLE ARE MAKING USELESS NOISE ALL OVER THE PLACE CLAIMING THEY ARE NOT IGBOS BECAUSE THE WAR WAS LOST.


IGBOS REGARD THEM AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT TELL THEM THIS FACT ABOUT THE WAR BECAUSE IGBOS KNOW THAT THE MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE AND WE DO NOT REMIND THEM OF THIS FACT, BUT WITH THE IRESPONSIBLE COMMENTS AND DISREPECTS A LOT ANIOMA IGBOS AND OTHER IGBOS KEEP HEAPING ON SOUTH EAST IGBOS - IT IS TIME TO TELL THE ANIOMAS AND OTHER IGBOS THE TRUTH.


. THE COUP PLANNERS AND EXECUTIONERS WERE ALL ANIOMA IGBOS, FEW YORUBAS, FEW IJAW AND FEW MINORITY TRIBES. THERE IS NOT RECORD WERE ANY SOUTH EAST CORE IGBO WAS AMONG THE FIRST COUP PLANNERS, BUT THE ANIOMA IGBOS KEEP DISTORTING HISTROY BY BLAMING IGBOS ON THEIR FAILURE. SOUTH EAST IGBOS HAD SENIOR MILITRAY MEN IN THE ARMY THEN BUT THEY DID NOT PLAN OR PARTICIPATE IN THE COUP BUT THESE SENIOR SOUTH EAST IGBO OFFICERS LIKE GENERAL AGUIYI IRONSI, GENERAL MADIEBO, OKEKE, OJUKWU AND CO RATHER TRIED TO PROTECT THE ANIOMA OFFICERS AS BROTHERS AND THAT WAS WHAT ANGERED THE NORTH TO PLAN A COUNTER COUP THAT KILLED AGUIYI IRONSI AND STARTED THE WAR. ANIOMA IGBOS SHOULD GO AND READ HISTROY AND FIND OUT THE FACTS BEFORE THEY START BLAMING OTHERS FOR THE SELF INFLICTED PROBLEMS


FOR EXAMPLE GENERAL OGBEMUDIA FORMER GOVERNOR OF BENDEL STATE IS AN IGBO MAN AS HE SPEAKS IGBOS AND HIS PARENTAGE IS IGBO AND HE IS STILL AN IGBO MAN, BUT HE CHANGED HIS IDENTITY DURING THE WAR AND HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO CHANGE IT BACK AND HE FEELS HE IS BENEFITING FROM THE WAR WHICH HE WAS PART OF THE EXECUTIONER.


OGBEMUDIA IS FROM IGBO-AKIRI TOWN IN AN EDO IGBO TOWN WHO SPEAKS IGBO AND WITH IGBO CULTURE DOMINANT IN HIS VILLAGE AND HIS PARENTAL LINEAGE IS ALL IGBO, BUT HE CHANGED HIS VILLAGE NAME TO IGBANKE DURING THE WAR AND BECAUSE OF IT SINCE HE AFTER THE WAR HIS PEOPLE OF IGBO-AKIRI(NOW IGBANKE) ARE A MINORITY UPON MINORITY AND IN CIVILIAN RULE AND DEMOCRACY HE IS LOSSING AS HIS PEOPLE ARE NOW A SMALL MINORITY INSTEAD OF REMAINING WHAT GOD CREATED THEM TO BE. NOW OBGE MUDIA DOES NOT COMMAND MUCH FOLLOWING AND RESPECT IN EDO BECAUSE OF THIS.


I have followed this forums and I have been shocked at the myopic and distortion of facts about Igbos from the Civil War era to present in all these forum by very inferior and small minded persons whom if not for the fact to correct facts they do not deserve IGBOS attention, but just to settle their SMALL MINDS AND CONFUSED PERSONALITIES, BECAUSE IGBOS HAVE THE MOTIVATION, THE GOAL AND CONSISTENT ETHOS OF HARDWORK AND PERSEVERANCE TO SUCCEED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE GREATER NIGERIA AND AFRICA PROJECT AND IT DOES NOT MATTER THE ANTI-IGBO AGENDA - IGBOS WILL SUCCEED NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.


FACTS AND NAMES OF ANIOMA IGBOS MILITARY COUP PLANNERS AND EXECUTIONERS OF THE COUP OF JANUARY 15, 1966 CALLED CODE NAME (DAMISA) HAUSA NAME FOR LEOPARD

The Nigerian Civil war and the military coup of January 15 19666 Code name (Damisa) that resulted in the civil war was started and executed by Anioma IGBOS lead by Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu,Major Emmanuel Ifeajuna, Captina Chukwuka, captain Nwawor, colonel Achuzie, Colonel Cyril Iweze, Colonel Nwajei, Colonel Mike Okwechme, Major Albert Okonkwo, Captain Henry Igboba with few Yorubas as minor players like Major Wale Ademoyega,colonel Fola Olahimihan,captain Adeleke, Lieutenent Fola Oyewole and Major Aalele among and ALL IGBOS suffered and died because of this coup and civil war started by Anioma people and they knew all Igbos will support them at that time and all IGBOS did but THE ANIOMA AND OTHER IGBOS IN RIVERS STATE AND CROSS RIVER, AKWA IBOM STATE CONTINUE TO BLAME THE EASTERN CORE IGBOS FOR THE PROBLEM OF THE COUP AND THE CIVIL WAR. I refer you to the books on the
Nigerian first military coup and the civil on books by General Olusegun Obasanjo, General Madiebo and by a book on the Nigerian civil war by an Anioma Igbo man name Emma Okocha - Blood on the Niger by emma Okocha pages 53, pages 52-60, pages 186-187, pages 206-210 - TRIATLANTIC BOOKS.When you read this book you will find out that the first military coup was planned and executed by Anioma Igbos with the hope and plan that All Igbos will support them and ALL IGBOS SUPPORTED AND JOIN THEM BUT WHEN WE STARTED LOSSING THE WAR, SOME IGBOS INCLUDING SOME ANIOMA IGBOS
and IGBOS in River State, Cross River State, Benue State and Akwa Ibom State ALL OF A SUDDEN CLAIMED THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBOS


At that time IN 1960 TO PRESENT Anioma Igbos did not have the population, did not have the political power, did not have the economic power then in 1960 to 1967 and as such they knew that they could not fight the North and other Nigerians. They Anioma Igbos knew that the Eastern REgion Igbos have the economic power, political power, military power and the knew that we will support them. ANIOMA IGBOS DID NOT AND HAVE NEVER HAD ECONOMIC POWER, MILITARY POWER OR POLTICAL POWER IN THE NIGERIA PROJECT FOR THEM TO CARRY OUT THE PLAN BUT THEY DEPENDED ON THE IGBOS OF EASTERN NIGERIA.


The Anioma Igbo leaders like Major Nzeagwu who started the military coup and war knew that ALL IGBOS will support them and We did and ALL IGBOS have paid the price of the war because we believed that we are all IGBOS. Achuzia and co also played some wicked tricks against the Igbos of South East during the war and he is still playing that game till today. The same Major Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna, co. who started the military coup of the 60s and the civil war turned around and wanted to do the same thing against Biafra Leadership against Ojukwu by working against Biafra and Ojukwu found out and put them in their place, especially Major Alele, Banjo , colonel Achuzie and co who also planned a coup against Ojukwu and Biafria and Ojukwu found out about it and executed them Banjo, Alele etc and placed Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna under house arrest untill they were killed in Nsukka sector.

The only mistake IGBOS and General Aguiyi Ironsi made was not prosecuting quickly and detaining Chukwuma Nzeogwu on time but wasted time and that was why the North and Hausas got angry and executed the counter coup which killed General Aguiyi Ironsi because he was protecting the Anioma Igbo Coup planners and their Yoruba and IJAW co-conspirators.


What baffles me is how IGBOS from Anioma will turn around to abuse and disrespect IGBOS from South East for all their troubles by saying and sometimes working against Igbos from the South East for no reason. Igbo have never worked against them in the Nigerian project, but when they cause trouble like Major Nzeogwu and co. or when religious or ethnic riot and trouble starts in the North or west of Nigeria every person both minorities from the South of Nigeria are regarded as Igbos and killed and their property destroyed and displaced.


When Asaba and Anioma people surrendered and welcomed the federal forces during the war and were massacred by genocide in Asaba other Igbos did not caused that. Genocide and mass killing happened in hundreds and thousands also in Enugu, Nsukka, Uzuakoli, Item, Awka, Owerri, Aba, Isikwuato, Abagana etc. during the war in thousand on a war caused by ANIOMA IGBOS
.

When other Igbos in Rivers State, Cross River State etc. surrendered and joined the Federal forces to fight Igbos they forget to remember that the people that started the war and caused the war were Anioma IGBOS and other minorities like Major Alele but they keep wrongly blaming Igbos from the South East as the cause of the problem and the keep hiding the truth.

Let me now tell these CONFUSED IGBOS that despite their short lived success after the war by claiming not to be IGBOS thing have changed today:

Igbos have a brighter future than ever before and they should get ride of of their false grudges against the IGBOS and move on and they should look at the facts because we have the numbers, we have the resources and we have the potential in this globalized world to do better. The future is on our side and we careless about their false and empty grudges.


Check these facts.

THE ANIOMAS JUST LIKE THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE BENEFITED FROM EARLY CONTACT WITH EUROPEANS THROUGH RELIGIOUS CHURCHES AND THE SLAVE TRADE. THE AROS AND ANIOMA PEOPLE PARTICIPATED HEAVILY IN THE SLAVE TRADE BUSINESS THROUGH THE ROYAL NIGER COMPANY AND THE RELIGIOUS CHURCHES AND THAT IS WHY ALL OVER IGBOLAND AROCHUKWU PEOPLE HAVE SETTLEMENTS AND COMMUNITY THROUGH WHICH THEY CONDUCTED THEIR SLAVE TRADE BUSINESS. ALSO THE ANIOMA PEOPLE THROUGH THE RIVER NIGER AND ASABA WAS THE GATEWAY AND THE HEAD QUATERS OF THE ROYAL NIGER COMPANY OF THE 1700-1900 AND WITH THESE CONTACTS WITH THE WHITE PEOPLE AND SLAVE TRADE A LOT OF AROCHUKWU PEOPLE AND ANIOMA PEOPLE WERE EDUCATED IN THE 1700, 1900, TILL THE 1960S BECAUSE THEY ANIOMA AND THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE OCCUPIED GREAT POSITION IN IGBOLAND AND NIGERIA THROUGH WHAT THEY GAINED IN SLAVE TRADE AND CONTACT WITH THE WHITEMAN.]


BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED THE CORE AND NATIVE IGBOS HAVE WAKEN UP AND CATCHUP IN EDUCATION AND BUSINESS AND TODAY IN ALL OF THE IGBOS STATES THE IGBO NATIVE HAVE TAKEN OVER IN GOVERNMENT, EDUCATION, BUSINESS, TRADE AND OTHER ENDEAVORS AND THIS HAS BEEN CAUSING RESENTMENTS AMONG THE ANIOMAS AND THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE. MANY YEARS AGO AROCHUKWU PEOPLE CONTROLLED THE BUSINESS AND EDUCATION IN IGBOLAND THROUGH THEIR SETTLEMNTS IN MANY OTHER IGBOS AREAS BUT TODAY NATIVES IGBOS HAVE TAKEN OVER IN ABIA, IMO, ANAMBRA, RIVERS, ENUGU, EBONY ETC.

THE NATIVE IGBOS HAVE MOMENTUM NOW AND THESE ARE THE FACTS TO THE ANIOMA AND OTHER IGBOS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE AS IGBOS ARE BACK AND BACK IN FULL FORCE AND THE SKY IS OUR LIMIT AS WE HAVE THE POPULATION, RESOURCES AND ZEAL TO DO BETTER.


FACTS, DATA AND NUMBERS TO BACK IT UP FOR IGBOS:

(1) Igbos have a population of almost 50 million people World Wide with about 40 million in Nigeria
(2) Anioma Igbos and Other Igbos in River State, Cross River etc. have a population of about 3 million people world wide
(3) They should know that Igbos in South East have the resources and potential to do more than they can ever deam of cos we have the numbers and potential as the world is changing fast.
(4) In education you cannot compete with Igbos in any level in education and manpower because we have the numbers
(5) in Business in Nigeria, Africa and Worldwide you know you cannot compete with Igbos
(6) In South East Igbo we have oil and gas, coal, ceramics, palm oil, Cement limestone in abundant quantity in Nkalagu, Abakiliki, Afikpo, Oharoara, Large rubber plantation in Abam, Abriba,Ulonna, Isikwuato, Umuahia, Okigwe.

(7) We have large and resourceful farmlands and agriculture in Abakaliki, Ebonyi, Abia, Ogbaru, Afikpo, Ngwaland, Bende, Enugu,Nsukka, Obolor Afo, Nkannu, Okigwe, Abam, Ohafia etc We have abundant resources for development.

(Go to Lagos, Kano, Abuja, Ibadan, Akure, Sokoto, Onitsha, Nnewi, Aba, Warri, Benin, Jos, Sokoto, Cotonou, Ghana,Liberia, Ivory Coast South Africa, Cameroon, USA, Britain, Europe, Portharcourt, All over Nigeria and West Africa none of you can compete with IGBOS in any field and in all the niche busiesss areas in commerce, pharmaceutical, building material, goods, supplies, provisions, electronics, hotel, computer and telecommunication etc.

(9)in every major town in Nigeria and all the major markets and commercial business activities in Nigeria and west Africa from Alaba international market, Oyingbo Market, Ibadan Market Cotonou market, Togo, Balogun, Onitsha International market, Aba, Kano International , Makurdi, Kogi, Illorin,market, Jos, Cotonou, Angola, Gabon, Calabar market, portharcourt Igbos have created a presence and dominance in commerc and industry that only creativity and hardwork can deliver it and prove it

(10)Talk of major transportation sector, Entertainment, music, media and movies and home videos IGBOS are dominant.

Go to every major city and state in Nigeria and ask the Governors, leaders or emirs, obas and chief on much Igbos pay in taxes and dues and you will be shocked. example Lagos State Governor has attested to that in addtion to Kano and plateau State to name of few that are glad for Igbos to invest there.

As it is right now no matter what happens South Igbos have five states and we do get our share of the national cake in addition to our senators and house members and our share of the national cake and we do not have to fight with other many minority tribes like in (Delta or Rivers) for who should be the Governor or other positions. in these five core Igbo States these position goes to IGBO rain or sun no matter what and we do not have to share it with any body and still we want more states.

(11)The few businesss and some banks which Anioma Igbos and other Igbos owned and operates and have some Directors and CEO of some banks and few business cannot survive without Igbo customers and Igbo business. If Igbo Customers and Igbo business pull their money from few business or banks with Directors or share holders from Anioma those banks will fail - For example if Igbo pull out their money from any of the few banks in Lagos, Onitsha, Kano, Abuja, Asaba, Aba, Enugu, owerri,Kano, Portharcourt, Calabar, Akwa Ibom, Sokoto, Kaduna, Ibadan and all the major towns in Nigeria these businesses and banks owned by few Anioma and other Igbo it will fail. Igbo patronize these banks and business own by Anioma and other Igbos because we still regard you as brothers and sisters but your atitude towarsd the Igbos is abhoring especailly since you are the one that started the civil war and problem in Nigeria

(12) The time when you used Babangida and his wife with her bottom power agenda is over and besides Babangida and his wife only helped their inlaws the Okogwu and Odogwu and you had that time and it is over and you should not be blaming IGBOS for anything you did not get. Igbos from the South East did not cause your problem in Nigeria. It is caused by your own people but rather Igbos suffered because we tried through General Aguiyi Ironsi,Colonel Ojukwu and General Madiebo etc to protect you and all Igbos on the probelm you started

(13)You also have other ethnic groups to deal with who are your real problems in Delta and River States like the Ijaws, Urhobos, Itshekiris, EDo etc and more other tribes
you have to deal with and those are your immediate problems and not the IGBOS from South East


You can hate the IGBOS as much as you want, but just know that you need us more than we need you. We Igbos in the South East have always regarded and respects our Igbo brothers from River State, Delta State, Cross River State, Akwa Ibom State and Igbos in Benue State.

The lies and propaganda of the Civil War has been used to confused you guys and please take a look at the facts and you will see that Igbos have done you no wrong despite the false claim AND WE STILL REGARD ALL IGBOS FROM DELTA STATE, RIVER STATE, CROSS RIVER STATE, AKWA IBOM STATE, BENUE STATE AS BROTHER AND SISTER NO MATTER WHATSOME OF YOU HAVE DONE TO US WITH YOUR LIES AND COMPLEX,


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^^I think the post above should be the end of this thread.
Thank you.

Seriously . . . what tha?

Pharoh:

Very good reply as you pointed to one of the reasons some Aniomas do not want to be in the same union with them. The basis of being in a union goes beyond speaking a related language or having similarities in culture. Canada and USA both speak the English language but they did not form the same country, they can only tilt towards a form of union based on concrete things that goes beyond language. People should take a look at other unions in the world to see what really lies at the foundation but the people of south eastern region just do not want to understand these important issues.

There are other things like ideology, aspirations, common self determination goal, development focus, basis of identity and value system, etc that are important in forming a union or identifying yourself with other groups of people in a common name. To them it is because the civil war was lost, need to be on the defeating side and means of integrating into the new Nigeria ( post civil war) that was biased towards the eastern region and Igbo people in general. Please wake up, it might look that way to you but when you come down of your high horse to ask the core reasons the Aniomas wants to be alone then you will get the concrete answers.

Let me stop here by asking again that, leaving politics aside ( You guys are not even competent self ) please can you guys tell us the basis in which Aniomas should be in the same union with you guys or the basis that will make the union work as one effective unit?. Why is it compulsory to be under the igbo identity and not Anioma identity?, Norwegians and danish people speak almost the same language but have their own different countries with excellent cooperation under the Nordic union. The same can be for Anioma and Biafra so that they can both develop in a union made up of different units instead of forming one big identity that will be difficult to move forward.

N:B You can replace aboh with anioma in my write up

so in essence, y did u de-yoke yourself from being igbo?

Pharoh:

Very good reply as you pointed to one of the reasons some Aniomas do not want to be in the same union with them. The basis of being in a union goes beyond speaking a related language or having similarities in culture. Canada and USA both speak the English language but they did not form the same country, they can only tilt towards a form of union based on concrete things that goes beyond language. People should take a look at other unions in the world to see what really lies at the foundation but the people of south eastern region just do not want to understand these important issues.

There are other things like ideology, aspirations, common self determination goal, development focus, basis of identity and value system, etc that are important in forming a union or identifying yourself with other groups of people in a common name. To them it is because the civil war was lost, need to be on the defeating side and means of integrating into the new Nigeria ( post civil war) that was biased towards the eastern region and Igbo people in general. Please wake up, it might look that way to you but when you come down of your high horse to ask the core reasons the Aniomas wants to be alone then you will get the concrete answers.

Let me stop here by asking again that, leaving politics aside ( You guys are not even competent self ) please can you guys tell us the basis in which Aniomas should be in the same union with you guys or the basis that will make the union work as one effective unit?. Why is it compulsory to be under the igbo identity and not Anioma identity?, Norwegians and danish people speak almost the same language but have their own different countries with excellent cooperation under the Nordic union. The same can be for Anioma and Biafra so that they can both develop in a union made up of different units instead of forming one big identity that will be difficult to move forward.

N:B You can replace aboh with anioma in my write up

so in essence, y did u de-yoke yourself from being igbo?

ngozievergreen:

so in essence, y did u de-yoke yourself from being igbo?

Was never yoked before in the first place sorry.

Pharoh:

Was never yoked before in the first place sorry.

so y start d thread?
And besides,is it agbor u are calling aboh Or is dere actually aboh in delta

ngozievergreen:

so y start d thread?
And besides,is it agbor u are calling aboh Or is dere actually aboh in delta

Agbor is the one in Ika that you pass when going to Asaba while Aboh is a place in Unkwuani. They're different.

ngozievergreen:

so y start d thread?
And besides,is it agbor u are calling aboh Or is dere actually aboh in delta

No i did not start the thread and only just contributing as a concerned party.

tonychristopher:




IS ANIOMA A TRIBE, IS ANIOMA NON IGBO AND WHY DO WE HAVE THIS DICHOTOMY IN DELTA IGBO, AGBORS SAID THEY ARE NOT IGBO, ANIOMA SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBO. TO BE HONEST I HAVE NOT SEEN AN ABOH MAN BEFORE IN MY LIFE..... I THINK THEY ARE GOING EXTINCT. WHERE IN MAP IS ABOH ANYWAY. WE IGBOS CARE LESS ABOUT THESE DUDES I MUST SAY AND THEY SEEMS TO BE IMPACTLESS AND INMATERIAL TO IGBO CAUSE.

IGBOS DO NOT LEAN ON PEOPLE BUT ON THEIR INGENUITY. I KNOW FOR SUR AND I HAVE SEEN IN LAGOS SOMANY KWALE AND AGBOR SAYING THEY ARE IGBO AND IF YOU DOUBT THIS GO ASK A BENIN OR URHOBO AND IJAW WHICH TRIBE IS ABOH ..... THEN GET BACK AND ANSWER ME. THANK LORD MY KWALE LOVELY WIFE HAS SEN REASON WITH ME, AND WHY DO THEY ALWAYS FEEL OK WITH US THAN OTHERS.

I MUST SAY THEY PRODUCE GOOD WOMEN AND MY WIFE IS JUST ONE.

tonychristopher:




IS ANIOMA A TRIBE, IS ANIOMA NON IGBO AND WHY DO WE HAVE THIS DICHOTOMY IN DELTA IGBO, AGBORS SAID THEY ARE NOT IGBO, ANIOMA SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBO. TO BE HONEST I HAVE NOT SEEN AN ABOH MAN BEFORE IN MY LIFE..... I THINK THEY ARE GOING EXTINCT. WHERE IN MAP IS ABOH ANYWAY. WE IGBOS CARE LESS ABOUT THESE DUDES I MUST SAY AND THEY SEEMS TO BE IMPACTLESS AND INMATERIAL TO IGBO CAUSE.

IGBOS DO NOT LEAN ON PEOPLE BUT ON THEIR INGENUITY. I KNOW FOR SUR AND I HAVE SEEN IN LAGOS SOMANY KWALE AND AGBOR SAYING THEY ARE IGBO AND IF YOU DOUBT THIS GO ASK A BENIN OR URHOBO AND IJAW WHICH TRIBE IS ABOH ..... THEN GET BACK AND ANSWER ME. THANK LORD MY KWALE LOVELY WIFE HAS SEN REASON WITH ME, AND WHY DO THEY ALWAYS FEEL OK WITH US THAN OTHERS.

I MUST SAY THEY PRODUCE GOOD WOMEN AND MY WIFE IS JUST ONE.

We r not fighting o. Your tone is getting too harsh for an Inlaw. Anyways, if u hv live/lived in Nigeria it is hardly possible tht u hv not seen an Aboh man. As for Aboh gettin extinct, u shud understand tht the Aboh u probably read about from the now famous expedition is the Aboh 'Kingdom' of the early to mid 19 century, at the peak of its power which had soveriegnty over my Sister's (your wives) Kwale and all the sorrounding villages. Most of these other sorroundin communities r nw independent but stil acknowledge the historical significance of Aboh. Modern Aboh on d other hand is limited to the capital of the then Kingdom plus the immediate neighbouring communities. Today, we may not be as significant as we once were but our history is our pride. All kingdoms, once risen must fall. Unlike the Igbo nation whose rise was as a result of Western influence, we created a Kingdom with our hands and Ruled the World as far as we could reach.

clefstone: We r not fighting o. Your tone is getting too harsh for an Inlaw. Anyways, if u hv live/lived in Nigeria it is hardly possible tht u hv not seen an Aboh man. As for Aboh gettin extinct, u shud understand tht the Aboh u probably read about from the now famous expedition is the Aboh 'Kingdom' of the early to mid 19 century, at the peak of its power which had soveriegnty over my Sister's (your wives) Kwale and all the sorrounding villages. Most of these other sorroundin communities r nw independent but stil acknowledge the historical significance of Aboh. Modern Aboh on d other hand is limited to the capital of the then Kingdom plus the immediate neighbouring communities. Today, we may not be as significant as we once were but our history is our pride. All kingdoms, once risen must fall. Unlike the Igbo nation whose rise was as a result of Western influence, we created a Kingdom with our hands and Ruled the World as far as we could reach.

Fair enough.

Would delta Igbo have accept their Igboness?
Many of them claim Bini or Ijaw origin

The beauty of Igbo women

https://www.nairaland.com/761575/beauty-igbo-women-south-eastern

Hahahaha...whether you are an igbo whose ancestors migrated from NRI,AROCHUKWU or BINI you are an igbo and the whole world sees you as an igbo period.

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Aboh is an igbotic word

We have many aboh

So what they think is imaterial


THEY ARE IGBO PERIOD

clefstone:
We r not fighting o. Your tone is getting too harsh for an Inlaw. Anyways, if u hv live/lived in Nigeria it is hardly possible tht u hv not seen an Aboh man. As for Aboh gettin extinct, u shud understand tht the Aboh u probably read about from the now famous expedition is the Aboh 'Kingdom' of the early to mid 19 century, at the peak of its power which had soveriegnty over my Sister's (your wives) Kwale and all the sorrounding villages. Most of these other sorroundin communities r nw independent but stil acknowledge the historical significance of Aboh. Modern Aboh on d other hand is limited to the capital of the then Kingdom plus the immediate neighbouring communities. Today, we may not be as significant as we once were but our history is our pride. All kingdoms, once risen must fall. Unlike the Igbo nation whose rise was as a result of Western influence, we created a Kingdom with our hands and Ruled the World as far as we could reach.

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IS THAT SO.....

SO NRI KINGDOM , ARO KINGDOM. ,IGBO UKWU KINGDOM WAS WESTERN INFLUENCE


LOL

OGO JIRI NWAYO

tonychristopher:
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Aboh is an igbotic word

We have many aboh

So what they think is imaterial


THEY ARE IGBO PERIOD

No it's not. Only deltans or Onitcha hand Aboh as names

macof:


No it's not. Only deltans or Onitcha hand Aboh as names

This is not clear.

macof:


No it's not. Only deltans or Onitcha hand Aboh as names

oh your mistaking, just like the word onich is like aboh

We have aboh in every part of igbo land...we have places called aboh even in far away imo state

Aboh in Mbaise

macof:


No it's not. Only deltans or Onitcha hand Aboh as names

CAN YOU MAKE YOUR SUBMISSION EASIER FOR ME TO COMPREHEND.

macof:


No it's not. Only deltans or Onitcha hand Aboh as names

the problem with most of you is that you have not travelled wide

we have aboh in mbaise in imo state
we have onich alona delta state
we have onicha ugbo delta state
we have onicha mbaise imo state
we have onicha uboma imo state
we have onicha izza ebonyi state
we have onicha abia state


now do ur research and come back


NOW WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ABOH...NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOH

Radoillo:


This is not clear.

tonychristopher:


CAN YOU MAKE YOUR SUBMISSION EASIER FOR ME TO COMPREHEND.

Sorry it was a typo.

I meant the name "Aboh" is popular with Delta Igbo and Onitcha as surnames
if there are places called Aboh in other parts of igboland (like Tony has shown in Imo), it's likely that they were founded by migrants from the Aboh kingdom and the surrounding Igbo towns in Delta North

tonychristopher:


the problem with most of you is that you have not travelled wide

we have aboh in mbaise in imo state
we have onich alona delta state
we have onicha ugbo delta state
we have onicha mbaise imo state
we have onicha uboma imo state
we have onicha izza ebonyi state
we have onicha abia state


now do ur research and come back


NOW WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ABOH...NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOH

I mean Onicha in Anambra that has ancestral link with Aniocha Delta

macof:

I mean Onicha in Anambra that has ancestral link with Aniocha Delta

how do onitsha have ancestral link with anioma, which part of the onitsha and which part of anioma does onicha have the so called ancestoral link. please tell me. i am waiting

The Onitsha-Anioma link should be common knowledge by now.

christopher123:


how do onitsha have ancestral link with anioma, which part of the onitsha and which part of anioma does onicha have the so called ancestoral link. please tell me. i am waiting

like I said Aniocha...if u want more specifics...Isseluku(I hope I got the spelling right)

But then I wonder if all Aniocha towns sprang from Isseluku

macof:

like I said Aniocha...if u want more specifics...Isseluku(I hope I got the spelling right)

But then I wonder if all Aniocha towns sprang from Isseluku

Your not making sense my brother . I am asking you to expantiate the ties between the communities

It's isele ukwu

macof:

like I said Aniocha...if u want more specifics...Isseluku(I hope I got the spelling right)

But then I wonder if all Aniocha towns sprang from Isseluku

Which of the aniocha is it the one in anambra or delta