taharqa2: Apart from arguing with you over the EXTREMELY crucial and very engaging move at rehabilitating d previously dead old rail lines, did you read the well research article to realise that this Govt is also constructing at least 4 New Standard Guages, but has also undataking Feasibility Studies on 7 completely New proposed Lines criss-cross d country?? Do you honestly believe that ANY other group wud have done more in d Rail sector than what d present Govt is doing/ has done in about 3 years, unda the circumstances? Am not even talking about previous Nigerian Govts as even only d complete Rehabilitation of d Lagos-Kano Lines (and its many spur lines) done by dis Govt already dwarves whatever any other post-colonial Govt ever did...... You guys should give sm things a rest. Afterall, it is your country that is developing..

The professional critics and fault finders have no shame. The trains are old, yet about 57,000 passengers have been moved on the Lagos-kano route in 5months. This is in addition to the tonnes of luggage that have also been moved. The trains are old, yet about 16,000 passengers are moved by train in Lagos on a daily basis. Can we compare the trains with the Lagos BRT that is now molue?

Sincere 9gerian:
It seems I've been discussing with a kid. Do you think building fast trains is like building maternity centres or fixing street lights? The Lagos-Ibadan standard rail line that was awarded recently will cost close to N300billion. That is just Lagos to Ibadan. That means Lagos to Kano will cost close to N1trillion. Compare N300billion with the federal annual capital budget of N1.5trillion. From this N1.5 trillion roads, water projects, education facilities, power projects,etc will be built.

But I asked you earlier, if it was easy to build fast trains, how come NONE was built in the last 3 decades? How many has been built by Buhari's CPC in Nasarawa or ACN in Lagos? A beg, I dont have time for childish arguement.

If it lagos - ibadan costs 300b (fast rail) how much did the lagos - Kano crap cost? Why waste money on rehabilitation when you can spread the costs of fast rails over a period of time. Does it make any economic sense to have a fast rail and a slow one on the same route.

As for nasarawa tell the FG to reduce its 51% revenue allocation since its obvious they are clueless in their spending.

Sincere 9gerian:
The professional critics and fault finders have no shame. The trains are old, yet about 57,000 passengers have been moved on the Lagos-kano route in 5months. This is in addition to the tonnes of luggage that have also been moved. The trains are old, yet about 16,000 passengers are moved by train in Lagos on a daily basis. Can we compare the trains with the Lagos BRT that is now molue?

Is not even 57,000. The problem is over crowding, just too much business for the trains to handle. People will also vote with their money. If Nigerians hated the train so much, as some op will make you believe, then they will stick with Bus transportation mode. But the facts clearly indicate the opposite

Obiagelli:
If it lagos - ibadan costs 300b (fast rail) how much did the lagos - Kano crap cost? Why waste money on rehabilitation when you can spread the costs of fast rails over a period of time. Does it make any economic sense to have a fast rail and a slow one on the same route.

As for nasarawa tell the FG to reduce its 51% revenue allocation since its obvious they are clueless in their spending.

What are they doing with their 49%??.

Obiagelli:
My sister its called Creek mentality

what mentality are you displaying

Sincere 9gerian:
The professional critics and fault finders have no shame. The trains are old, yet about 57,000 passengers have been moved on the Lagos-kano route in 5months. This is in addition to the tonnes of luggage that have also been moved. The trains are old, yet about 16,000 passengers are moved by train in Lagos on a daily basis. Can we compare the trains with the Lagos BRT that is now molue?

Very silly ,just 57,000 in over 5 months justify the amount wasted on your refurbished crap while the BRT moves over 300,000 daily.

Once again CREEK mentality on display

atlwireles:

what mentality are you displaying

Definitely not locomotive

Obiagelli:
Very silly ,just 57,000 in over 5 months justify the amount wasted on your refurbished crap while the BRT moves over 300,000 daily.

Once again CREEK mentality on display

You must be high on something for comparing number of passengers moved by road in Lagos metropolis with that moved on Lagos-kano railway. It shows how clueless some people are. How many passengers does the Lagos light rail move in a month? None. How many passengers was this same Lagos-kano railway moving per month 2yrs ago? None. Yeye dey smell.

atlwireles:

What are they doing with their 49%??.

35 states governments get 26.72 per can't not 49 yet the federal government can't match some states for achievements

Obiagelli:
If it lagos - ibadan costs 300b (fast rail) how much did the lagos - Kano crap cost? Why waste money on rehabilitation when you can spread the costs of fast rails over a period of time. Does it make any economic sense to have a fast rail and a slow one on the same route.

As for nasarawa tell the FG to reduce its 51% revenue allocation since its obvious they are clueless in their spending.

You call the rehabilitation of Lagos-kano railway with N24billion "waste" of money? Incredible. Now its clear to me that you need a brain transplant.

Well, let the CPC build its own bullet train in Nasarawa with the 48% federal allocation it gets so we can see

Obiagelli:
35 states governments get 26.72 per can't not 49 yet the federal government can't match some states for achievements

The state governor receive all the funds in state-local govt joint account. We dont know how much stipends they eventually pay local govt officials.

Obiagelli:
What are you saying? True some past leaders failed us but why waste so much money rehabilitating crap? When you can just build modern rails from onset.
You must be a kid or a villager to mention buhari, don't make me derail this thread with history lessons.

Ummm... if they do that then who gets to keep Billions of Dollars in offshore accounts, buy Private jets, yachts, mansions, Million dollar hublots, concubines in every geographical zone on the planet etc?

Pls, youre asking for too much. Respect your sanity.

Sincere 9gerian:
You must be high on something for comparing number of passengers moved by road in Lagos metropolis with that moved on Lagos-kano railway. It shows how clueless some people are. How many passengers does the Lagos light rail move in a month? None. How many passengers was this same Lagos-kano railway moving per month 2yrs ago? None. Yeye dey smell.

You brought the BRT argument and i gave it back to you. Beside rail transportation generates more traffic than buses anywhere in the world except ofcourse yours is locomotive

57,000 in 5months shows how successful and important the waste is

You are bringing in the lagos light rail, if I reply you again you will call me clueless.

Back up your arguments and stop beating around the bush, i am supposed to be the woman here.

kingoflag:

Ummm... if they do that then who gets to keep Billions of Dollars in offshore accounts, buy Private jets, yachts, mansions, Million dollar hublots, concubines in every geographical zone on the planet etc?

Pls, youre asking for too much. Respect your sanity.

My bad

Obiagelli:

You brought the BRT argument and i gave it back to you. Beside rail transportation generates more traffic than buses anywhere in the world except ofcourse yours is locomotive

57,000 in 5months shows how successful and important the waste is

You are bringing in the lagos light rail, if I reply you again you will call me clueless.

Back up your arguments and stop beating around the bush, i am supposed to be the woman here.

Obiagelli:

You brought the BRT argument and i gave it back to you. Beside rail transportation generates more traffic than buses anywhere in the world except ofcourse yours is locomotive

57,000 in 5months shows how successful and important the waste is

You are bringing in the lagos light rail, if I reply you again you will call me clueless.

Back up your arguments and stop beating around the bush, i am supposed to be the woman here.

From NONE (I mean zero passengers per month) in the past ten years to 57,000 in the last 5 months (i.e over 10,000 per month). Yet it means NOTHING to you? Yet it is not SIGNIFICANT to you? Your case is irredemable. No point arguing further with an unreasonable element.

Sincere 9gerian:
From NONE (I mean zero passengers per month) in the past ten years to 57,000 in the last 5 months (i.e over 10,000 per month). Yet it means NOTHING to you? Yet it is not SIGNIFICANT to you? Your case is irredemable. No point arguing further with an unreasonable element.

57,000 damaturus in Ebute metta kano street that fashola sent out of Lagos. shior

Sincere 9gerian:
From NONE (I mean zero passengers per month) in the past ten years to 57,000 in the last 5 months (i.e over 10,000 per month). Yet it means NOTHING to you? Yet it is not SIGNIFICANT to you? Your case is irredemable. No point arguing further with an unreasonable element.

You have settled for insults as usual anyways the fact still remains 57,000 in 5months shows how silly reviving locomotive technology is,

Let me leave you to your usual jamboree as I see you caucus are arriving.

Obiagelli:
You have settled for insults as usual anyways the fact still remains 57,000 in 5months shows how silly reviving locomotive technology is,

Let me leave you to your usual jamboree as I see you caucus are arriving.

What insult? Aren't you being unreasonable? Where nothing was happening in the last ten years, we'r now seeing movement of over 10,000 passengers per month, yet you claim its nothing or insignificant? Even from the report above, efforts to further expand the system were clearly highlighted.

If I may ask, if Buhari was elected in 2011, between then and now, how much progress do expect would have taken place in the rail sector? Maybe he would have destroyed the old railways and built hundred bullet rail lines in 2yrs? Waiting for your response on this.

A debate that makes sense is that between two reasonable persons. When one party decides to be foolish and unreasonable, then that debate becomes meaningless and waste of effort.

Obiagelli:
You have settled for insults as usual anyways the fact still remains 57,000 in 5months shows how silly reviving locomotive technology is,

Let me leave you to your usual jamboree as I see you caucus are arriving.

Babe, you really get time follow this guy dey argue. you get time i swear! Abeg leave him alone to continue exhibiting his foolishness. Rubbish!

many country still run a combination of both the narrow and standard guage rail. Nigeria did well by renovating its narrow guage rails. all they need to do is to make sure that reliable rail motor/engine are used on the rail to avoid the frequent breakdown that commuter experience.
Jonathan is to be commended for his commitment to revamp rail transport in nigeria. the abuja rail and its addendum is a good project.

while some nigerians look down on the caliber of trains/service that are currently running the lagos to kano line,the truth is that you are not the target audience for such means of transport as you can afford to fly to and from lagos/kano or pay for air-conditioned ABC buses to take you.
But the ordinary nigerian like me are happy for the oppurtunity to pay about 1/2the price that buses charge to travel that route and i know a lot of traders/business people on that route share my sentiment.the only down side is that it breaksdown a lot and extend travel time.

berem: Babe, you really get time follow this guy dey argue. you get time i swear! Abeg leave him alone to continue exhibiting his foolishness. Rubbish!

Another Buhari babe, how far? We'v not heard from Buhari off recent. Wetin dey shelle? Is he now afraid of speaking because it seems every time he opens his mouth, he committs political suicide.

Sincere 9gerian:
Another Buhari babe, how far? We'v not heard from Buhari off recent. Wetin dey shelle? Is he now afraid of speaking because it seems every time he opens his mouth, he committs political suicide.

Bomb dey your head! enjoy your thread while your stoopidity lasts.

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ujoinme: while some nigerians look down on the caliber of trains/service that are currently running the lagos to kano line,the truth is that you are not the target audience for such means of transport as you can afford to fly to and from lagos/kano or pay for air-conditioned ABC buses to take you.
But the ordinary nigerian like me are happy for the oppurtunity to pay about 1/2the price that buses charge to travel that route and i know a lot of traders/business people on that route share my sentiment.the only down side is that it breaksdown a lot and extend travel time.

Exactly, people just hide under their computers and spew thrash. The railways they'r trying to rubbish here is currently facing CONGESTION because of huge patronage. Yet some idiotas tell us its a waste of funds.

Like you said, the challenge now is how to make it more reliable and improve the services. But I seriously doubt if that can be achieved with the mentality of the average Nigerian to govt work. Until it is concessioned to private hands, the services may not improve to the level we expect. I know the govt has plans to concession the railways after they've been fully rehabilitated but that may not take place any time soon.

Sincere 9gerian:
Exactly, people just hide under their computers and spew thrash. The railways they'r trying to rubbish here is currently facing CONGESTION because of huge patronage. Yet some idiotas tell us its a waste of funds.

Like you said, the challenge now is how to make it more reliable and improve the services. But I seriously doubt if that can be achieved with the mentality of the average Nigerian to govt work. Until it is concessioned to private hands, the services may not improve to the level we expect. I know the govt has plans to concession the railways after they've been fully rehabilitated but that may not take place any time soon.

Not necessary true.Govt can, an do manage transportation services like trains efficiently in other countries without concession. its a means of generating income for the govt. all they need is to retrain their staff after all NRC has been out of service for 20 yrs hence all the experienced hands must have retired by now.
Besides requisite training,when you are a civil servant and you know that your job is tied to your performance you are bound to perform if you want to keep your job. And no place is that performance easy to measure as in the transportation sector like rail where your duty is simple move people from point A to B, without excuses.

I feel so sad wen ever I get to read or hear wen a nairalander use abusive words on our president and his wife, its so shameful,u feel so happy calling the president and his wife names.. At times I wonder if u have a mother or father @ home.. Pls dis should stop.. Its too bad..

ujoinme:

Not necessary true.Govt can, an do manage transportation services like trains efficiently in other countries without concession. its a means of generating income for the govt. all they need is to retrain their staff after all NRC has been out of service for 20 yrs hence all the experienced hands must have retired by now.
Besides requisite training,when you are a civil servant and you know that your job is tied to your performance you are bound to perform if you want to keep your job. And no place is that performance easy to measure as in the transportation sector like rail where your duty is simple move people from point A to B, without excuses.

Maybe you need to move from one public office to another to preach that message. Do you know that the first generation public federal universities receive twice or thrice as much funds as standard private universities? But go to a standard private university and compare the state of facilities and attitude of workers with that of first generation public universities. Why do you think govt is selling off all PHCN facilities?

My guy, the attitude of Nigerians to govt work is NEGATIVE and no amount of funds you pour into it will change anything. No amount of training can change that. Whatever funds you pour into a govt run service in this country, just give it 6months, everything will go down the drain. Nigerians are not Chinese who give 100% at all times, whether at govt or private work.

See I've read several of the complaints of poor services at the Nigeria Railways, and you know what, MOST of them are caused by attitudinal problems of workers and dereliction of duty. Things like simple courtesy by the railway workers, information dissemination, faster way of issueing tickets that'll prevent unnecessary queues, simple checks by relevant technicians before take-off, taking along routine things that may be needed along the journey, proper cleaning of the trains, providing enough water in the trains, fixing electrical faults here and there before embarking on a journey(eg air-conditioners and lighting system),etc. Most of these problems would have been solved if most railway workers give 100%. But if you ask them now about these problems, they'll reel out their own catalogue of demands, including maybe demand for govt to hire more workers. But transfer this same system to private sector, you'll see that even as we speak, the Nigeria Railways is over-populated with redundant work-force. I've not even mentioned the problem of corruption, railway workers selling tickets and putting the money in their pockets.

The Railways have to be concessioned to private hands while a regulator must be created for the sector. Until we do that, not much can change. Have you even asked why the system was run aground initially? I mean, run down to ground zero? The problem is with us. We have to change our ways

Rt FNJ: I feel so sad wen ever I get to read or hear wen a nairalander use abusive words on our president and his wife, its so shameful,u feel so happy calling the president and his wife names.. At times I wonder if u have a mother or father @ home.. Pls dis should stop.. Its too bad..

I am sure you have a hard laugh when you see families go hungry for day, when you the state of our hospitals, when a graduate commits suicide because he can't get a job or when a girl sleeps with older men to buy drugs for her sick mother, while your basta...d looting president and his family, flies to Germany in 10 private jets for check ups, drive in the latest convoy of cars, feed on 1 billion naira.

Get real bro.

@mod pls don't hide my post until this silly fellow reads it

Sincere 9gerian:
Maybe you need to move from one public office to another to preach that message. Do you know that the first generation public federal universities receive twice or thrice as much funds as standard private universities? But go to a standard private university and compare the state of facilities and attitude of workers with that of first generation public universities. Why do you think govt is selling off all PHCN facilities?

My guy, the attitude of Nigerians to govt work is NEGATIVE and no amount of funds you pour into it will change anything. No amount of training can change that. Whatever funds you pour into a govt run service in this country, just give it 6months, everything will go down the drain. Nigerians are not Chinese who give 100% at all times, whether at govt or private work.

See I've read several of the complaints of poor services at the Nigeria Railways, and you know what, MOST of them are caused by attitudinal problems of workers and dereliction of duty. Things like simple courtesy by the railway workers, information dissemination, faster way of issueing tickets that'll prevent unnecessary queues, simple checks by relevant technicians before take-off, taking along routine things that may be needed along the journey, proper cleaning of the trains, providing enough water in the trains, fixing electrical faults here and there before embarking on a journey(eg air-conditioners and lighting system),etc. Most of these problems would have been solved if most railway workers give 100%. But if you ask them now about these problems, they'll reel out their own catalogue of demands, including maybe demand for govt to hire more workers. But transfer this same system to private sector, you'll see that even as we speak, the Nigeria Railways is over-populated with redundant work-force. I've not even mentioned the problem of corruption, railway workers selling tickets and putting the money in their pockets.

The Railways have to be concessioned to private hands while a regulator must be created for the sector. Until we do that, not much can change. Have you even asked why the system was run aground initially? I mean, run down to ground zero? The problem is with us. We have to change our ways

i agree with u on Nigerians attitude to work. could that be because there is no consequence for their actions? If u start firing people based on their bad performance they might sit up especially now that jobs are not easy to come by.
The university profersors eg you provided is an exception as it is very difficult to get rid of those guys due to their union contract so FG hands are tied in this regard.once the are made faculty members its almost impossible to fire them.

There's no need for arguements. Rail and power is one of they major ways of opening up a Country's economy. The USA's East-West Railway line is what opened up the whole country by connecting the East-Coast to the West-Coast.....Resulting in the development of every city it passed through on its way. All that didn't happen in 5years.

We can't achieve high speed rail all of a sudden. We have to work with what's on ground first and we can then develop it further.

The revival of the Nigerian Railway system is still in its infancy and we can only pray the Govt continues to work in it....rather than get comfortable and relax thinking "Hey, the trains are running at least".

Also, there's no basis of comparism between the BRT and Nigerian Rail. One is Intra-City, the Other is Inter-State.......And those buses aren't Molues, Rickety ones have been pulled out of service to the maintainance yard in Ojota. You can go see them there.

ba7man: There's no need for arguements. Rail and power is one of they major ways of opening up a Country's economy. The USA's East-West Railway line is what opened up the whole country by connecting the East-Coast to the West-Coast.....Resulting in the development of every city it passed through on its way. All that didn't happen in 5years.

We can't achieve high speed rail all of a sudden. We have to work with what's on ground first and we can then develop it further.

The revival of the Nigerian Railway system is still in its infancy and we can only pray the Govt continues to work in it....rather than get comfortable and relax thinking "Hey, the trains are running at least".

Also, there's no basis of comparism between the BRT and Nigerian Rail. One is Intra-City, the Other is Inter-State.......And those buses aren't Molues, Rickety ones have been pulled out of service to the maintainance yard in Ojota. You can go see them there.

Fair analysis, my point is rather than refurbished less fancied slow tracks (judging by 57,000 in 5months) with billions of naira they should have concentrated on fast lanes.