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What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 10:46pm On Jul 28, 2013
What Does Sura 9:123 says? If you know your Quran well please tell us
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 9:59am On Jul 29, 2013
Where are the muslims in this forum? Please read Sura 5:51 and Sura 9:123 from your Quran and interpret it for us. Mods pls frontpage very educating.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by LagosShia: 12:05pm On Jul 29, 2013
[size=18pt]Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"? [/size]
By Huda, About.com Guide

Question: Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?
Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.


"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful, If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.


"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them, (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."


Conclusion
Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.
The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8 ) :
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm

fuelsaver: Where are the muslims in this forum? Please read Sura 5:51 and Sura 9:123 from your Quran and interpret it for us. Mods pls frontpage very educating.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 12:56pm On Jul 29, 2013
@fuelsaver; Quran 9 verse 123 should not be read in isolation because it is part of a story or directive or instruction which starts at least a verse or 2 before and continued for a verse or 2 after it. that verse alone does not make the surah/chapter or matters of war in the chapter or the Quran or is it the essence of all of the Quran itself.

in any community, society, if you have an agreement, a law that governs all, it must include defense, repel of hostility and eminent danger. The US organized its navy along with its marine to repel hostility whereby they take the war to the doorsteps of the enemy. The US has even embank on preemptive strikes, a thing known only to the jewish state of Israel all along.


and as to verse in question, you will not argue that there were enemies surrounding, therefore adjacent to the madinnan muslim community. they became enemies as a group then they encourage outsiders or themselves started hostility or insurrection. no community stands idle and let such a cancer grows.

Muslims were and still humans. when the verse was revealed, it was appropriate and if muslims were today or in the future in position where such a thing repeats itself from the enemy[ies] they are entitled to go back to it, because Quran is everlasting and when the condition repeats itself, you go to solution that works and most efficient.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by raeez(m): 5:12pm On Jul 29, 2013
fuelsaver: Where are the muslims in this forum? Please read Sura 5:51 and Sura 9:123 from your Quran and interpret it for us. Mods pls frontpage very educating.
where is the person that asked this question may Allah give u the wisdom and understanding to assimilate the perfect explanation that have been given above
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 9:35am On Jul 30, 2013
There is none like Jesus Christ. Jesus commanded His followers to love them that hate them. Do good to them. For the Son of God has not come to destroy men's lives but to save them. No wonder Jesus is call the WORD and SPIRIT of God in Quran. God is love and His true representative must show forth His real attribute of Love not hate.

Please no offense here. Let us reason together. Why is Jesus Christ and some of His messages in the Quran and there is no name like Muhammed or his words in the Bible? Please clarify us on these.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by LagosShia: 11:22am On Jul 30, 2013
fuelsaver: There is none like Jesus Christ. Jesus commanded His followers to love them that hate them. Do good to them. For the Son of God has not come to destroy men's lives but to save them. No wonder Jesus is call the WORD and SPIRIT of God in Quran. God is love and His true representative must show forth His real attribute of Love not hate.

Please no offense here. Let us reason together. Why is Jesus Christ and some of His messages in the Quran and there is no name like Muhammed or his words in the Bible? Please clarify us on these.

You sound above like a confused chicken. grin was that meant to be "preaching"?
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 11:57am On Jul 30, 2013
@fuelsaver:
by fuelsaver: 9:35am
There is none like Jesus Christ. Jesus commanded His followers to love them that hate them. Do good to them. For the Son of God has not come to destroy men's lives but to save them. No wonder Jesus is call the WORD and SPIRIT of God in Quran. God is love and His true representative must show forth His real attribute of Love not hate.

Please no offense here. Let us reason together. Why is Jesus Christ and some of His messages in the Quran and there is no name like Muhammed or his words in the Bible? Please clarify us on these.
everyone is Word of God {command; Be] and a spirit of God [that He created only for humans and Adam [as] is to first to have that spirit. animals have their own kind of spirits pertaining to the specie]. Jesus of the Bible is no less a Jihadist, though peaceful in the face of overwhelming Roman force and possible onslaught. it would have been suicidal to fight when you are sure going to lose. God is also Capable of Punishing. so to say He is Love alone is pure ignorance. Jesus will come back and lay waste the lives of future generations of jews, the christian doctrine affirms. Jesus didnt bring peace but war and divisions between family members. Jesus of the bible cursed and swore at people. He harassed and was pretty angry. He didn't spare the rod. He never met a person he didn't down grade. Including his mother. The Yoruba muslims say "omo to no yaa re awono [the child who scolded his mother is hellfire bound]. the scolding here is not only using the whip. Speech is just as bad.

And Muhammad [sa] may not appeared in the Gospel or indeed in the whole Bible, in your eyes. But he does in voice of the jewish song of solomon and in other names. But Jesus does not appear in Taurah. Moses does not appear in the books of the hindus. But that will not make Moses, Jesus or Muhammad [as] a no prophet of God. Indeed each is a prophet. Moses was mentioned in Gospel. Jesus was mentioned in Quran. The newer affirmed the previous.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by LagosShia: 12:13pm On Jul 30, 2013
"Who Is The "comforter" In The Bible And Why"?
https://www.nairaland.com/871478/us-christian-jewish-actor-director-sean#10351101

"The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book " DANIEL 2" Is Islam!"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-772940.0.html

"The New Islamic Nation In Undeniable Bible Prophecies"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820160.0.html

"Islamic Monotheism Vs. Christian (trinitarian) Polytheism"
https://www.nairaland.com/846380/islamic-monotheism-vs-christian-trinitarian

"Nestor:the Christian Monk In Syria Who Bore Witness To Muhammad"
https://www.nairaland.com/597768/nestor-christian-monk-syria-who
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 3:22pm On Jul 30, 2013
Can I send you a book titled MY HATRED FOR CHRIST & CHRISTIANITY to answer your questions and more?
LagosShia: "Who Is The "comforter" In The Bible And Why"?
https://www.nairaland.com/871478/us-christian-jewish-actor-director-sean#10351101

"The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book " DANIEL 2" Is Islam!"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-772940.0.html

"The New Islamic Nation In Undeniable Bible Prophecies"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820160.0.html

"Islamic Monotheism Vs. Christian (trinitarian) Polytheism"
https://www.nairaland.com/846380/islamic-monotheism-vs-christian-trinitarian

"Nestor:the Christian Monk In Syria Who Bore Witness To Muhammad"
https://www.nairaland.com/597768/nestor-christian-monk-syria-who
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 4:51pm On Jul 30, 2013
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter and Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit is like Him and will glorify Him because He was leaving the earth and humanity needs the comfort He gave them healing their sickness, raising the dead amongst them and providing for their needs and therefore the Holy Spirit here today in every believer in Chhrist to do like Christ for them.
LagosShia: "Who Is The "comforter" In The Bible And Why"?
https://www.nairaland.com/871478/us-christian-jewish-actor-director-sean#10351101

"The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book " DANIEL 2" Is Islam!"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-772940.0.html

"The New Islamic Nation In Undeniable Bible Prophecies"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820160.0.html

"Islamic Monotheism Vs. Christian (trinitarian) Polytheism"
https://www.nairaland.com/846380/islamic-monotheism-vs-christian-trinitarian

"Nestor:the Christian Monk In Syria Who Bore Witness To Muhammad"
https://www.nairaland.com/597768/nestor-christian-monk-syria-who
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 5:13pm On Jul 30, 2013
What does Quran 4:171 say and who is the Word and the Spirit of God sent to Mary according to Quran - JESUS
RoyPCain: @fuelsaver: everyone is Word of God {command; Be] and a spirit of God [that He created only for humans and Adam [as] is to first to have that spirit. animals have their own kind of spirits pertaining to the specie]. Jesus of the Bible is no less a Jihadist, though peaceful in the face of overwhelming Roman force and possible onslaught. it would have been suicidal to fight when you are sure going to lose. God is also Capable of Punishing. so to say He is Love alone is pure ignorance. Jesus will come back and lay waste the lives of future generations of jews, the christian doctrine affirms. Jesus didnt bring peace but war and divisions between family members. Jesus of the bible cursed and swore at people. He harassed and was pretty angry. He didn't spare the rod. He never met a person he didn't down grade. Including his mother. The Yoruba muslims say "omo to no yaa re awono [the child who scolded his mother is hellfire bound]. the scolding here is not only using the whip. Speech is just as bad.

And Muhammad [sa] may not appeared in the Gospel or indeed in the whole Bible, in your eyes. But he does in voice of the jewish song of solomon and in other names. But Jesus does not appear in Taurah. Moses does not appear in the books of the hindus. But that will not make Moses, Jesus or Muhammad [as] a no prophet of God. Indeed each is a prophet. Moses was mentioned in Gospel. Jesus was mentioned in Quran. The newer affirmed the previous.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 6:47pm On Jul 30, 2013
@fuelsaver; i am the word and spirit send to my my mother and father.

you think i just came without the Permission of Allah?

you think every copulation becomes pregnancy?
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 10:49am On Jul 31, 2013
Well for all who think Jesus is just an ordinary and sinful man like them, I am writing this that you may know that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and He is coming again to judge the world. If you are still there playing religion know that religion does not save but throw men into confusion and know other person can save you except Jesus Christ who died, resurrected and ascended back to the Father to come again to receive those who believe and obey His word for He Himself is God's word. But those who think Jesus is just a prophet like other prophets and just like ordinary man you will regret your ignorance in hell fire and you will remember this writing and words that you have been hearing before now but due to your twisted and deceive mind and personal choice you have decided to ignore the truth. It's your choice and you will reap the fruit of it someday.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by CERKEYNAH: 4:36pm On Jul 31, 2013
Please Accept wot u belief, live it @ dt n let us accept ours to live as 1 in dis country n d world @ large. Rather than Criticizing 1 religion. According 2 Q4:171, if u read very well wtout just quoting d word 'Be - and he was' alone is very explanative enough buh u choose d 1 u can 2 attack Islam wt. d verse read thus n I quote : 'O people of d scripture (jews n xtians) do not exceed d limits in ur religion, nor say of Allah aught but d truth. the Messiah Isa (jesus), son of Maryam(Mary), was no more dn a Messenger of Allah and His Word(Be! - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam and a Spirit (Ruh) created by Him (Allah), so believe in Allah n His Messengers. Say not: 'Three (trinity)! Cease! (it is) better 4 u. For Allah is d only One llah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above aving a son. To Him belongs all dt is in d Heaven and all dt is in d earth. Allah is All Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.' feel free to ask wot u're not clear abt dis. It is Allah dt created jesus, Maryam n d spirit dt made mary to giv birth to jesus wt intercourse wt any man, Its also a Sign 4 u believe in d Oneness of Allah( God). Peace
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 6:22pm On Jul 31, 2013
The Quran 3:45 have the record of this physical dwelling of this "Word of God" just like the Bible in John 1:1. If both the Quran and the Bible bear witness that Jesus is the Word of God, then you need to imagine: What manner of man is Jesus. Every other man was both through the sinful seed/sperma/sperm of his father but Jesus was born through the righteous and holy Word and Spirit of God. His miraculous lifestyle in this sinful world differentiates Him from every other prophet. No prophet died for you except Jesus Christ because He is the Son of God and therefore God.
Surat Sukhuruf Chapter 43:63 says "When Jesus came with clear proofs, He said: Verily, I come with wisdom, and to make plain for you concerning which you differ. So keep your duty to God and obey me"
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jul 31, 2013
@fuelsaver;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFq79lBcmCk


Jesus is no son of God, except you dream it up. And Jesus is not gonna judge any world because the Creator does that. You are trying too hard man. relax and smell the flowers. The creator of those is the Only One Who has control of the "HOUR" and the Judgment is all HIS.



legal intercourse is not sinful or a sin you freak.

it is part of worship. so how is worship sinful or a sin when you are commanded to it, fuelsaver?

your understanding of spousal needs and relationship is warped, even though Yahweh told Adam and Eve that they are legal for each other.

maybe you look at everything in this singular focus; whatever Jesus did is right. what others do is sinful even if it is exactly the way Jesus did it toward the same purpose. That is pure deception because i asked what sin did John commit, yet was great enough to confirm Jesus is an adult according to the tribal order of the the jewsih people? what sin did Zacharia commit? What sin did Elizabeth commit? What sin did Mary commit? What sin did the mother of Mary commit?


What sin did Job commit who was not a contemporary of Jesus so you can't claim Jesus rub off on his contemporary? and baptism washes sin, so no sinless will need baptism. those baptized are washed clean of sin by the baptism, until they begin to acquire sin, again.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akClG4JDWHc
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 10:42pm On Jul 31, 2013
Whether you believe in Jesus or not hell fire awaits the unbelieving. And no sinner shall be found there but those washed in the precious blood of the Lamb Jesus are qualified. For Jesus has become the propeciation for the sin of those who believe and obey Him.


Jesus is no son of God, except you dream it up. And Jesus is not gonna judge any world because the Creator does that. You are trying too hard man. relax and smell the flowers. The creator of thos


legal intercourse is not sinful or a sin you freak.

it is part of worship. so how is worship sinful or a sin when you are commanded to it, fuelsaver?

your understanding of spousal needs and relationship is warped, even though Yahweh told Adam and Eve that they are legal for each other.

maybe you look at everything in this singular focus; whatever Jesus did is right. what others do is sinful even if it is exactly the way Jesus did it toward the same purpose. That is pure deception because i asked what sin did John commit, yet was great enough to confirm Jesus is an adult according to the tribal order of the the jewsih people? what sin did Zacharia commit? What sin did Elizabeth commit? What sin did Mary commit? What sin did the mother of Mary commit?


What sin did Job commit who was not a contemporary of Jesus so you can't claim Jesus rub off on his contemporary? and baptism washes sin, so no sinless will need baptism. those baptized are washed clean of sin by the baptism, until they begin to acquire sin, again.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akClG4JDWHc[/quote]
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Emusan(m): 9:44pm On Aug 04, 2013
RoyPCain:

Jesus is no son of God, except you dream it up.

You believe Jesus when He said His miracle will be like that of Jonah but deny His word when He said it plainly that He's a Son of the Living God. Hmmmmm! Very pathetic.

And Jesus is not gonna judge any world because the Creator does that.

Yes because He is the creator, John 1:1-14

You are trying too hard man. relax and smell the flowers. The creator of those is the Only One Who has control of the "HOUR" and the Judgment is all HIS.

I like this your statement. "By Him all things was created, without Him nothing was created"


legal intercourse is not sinful or a sin you freak.
Sure! But who so ever come through this method is a sinner, that's why Jesus leave a free sinfulless life.

it is part of worship. so how is worship sinful or a sin when you are commanded to it?

No Jesus created it. It is just a union.

your understanding of spousal needs and relationship is warped, even though Yahweh told Adam and Eve that they are legal for each other.

coreect.

maybe you look at everything in this singular focus; whatever Jesus did is right. what others do is sinful even if it is exactly the way Jesus did it toward the same purpose.

He act as He received of Father, and He is not of this world. That's what make Him different.

That is pure deception because i asked what sin did John commit, yet was great enough to confirm Jesus is an adult according to the tribal order of the the jewsih people?

And heavenly being in human's nature.


what sin did Zacharia commit? What sin did Elizabeth commit? What sin did Mary commit? What sin did the mother of Mary commit?

They were all born through sperma and possess sinful nature of human.

What sin did Job commit who was not a contemporary of Jesus so you can't claim Jesus rub off on his contemporary? and baptism washes sin, so no sinless will need baptism. those baptized are washed clean of sin by the baptism, until they begin to acquire sin, again.

You miss it John's baptism was a baptist of repentance i.e knowing only one God. If Jesus that want to reconcile us to God didn't give example how the testimony of God "this is my beloved Son hear Him" will proclaim.

Another confuse thing from my brethen is claiming that Jesus talk about Muhammad as "Holyspirit"

My question is if truly Muslim can trust that Jesus statement why ignoring the rest of His words.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Before jump into comforter as SAW.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 8:23 And He said unto them, Ye are from beneath(Earth); I am from above(Heaven): Ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Even Jesus said it clearly that He is the Son of God.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 2:29pm On Aug 05, 2013
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:11-13).
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 2:42pm On Aug 05, 2013
@Emusan; Thank God your name is not Emasuen.

your response to me lean so much on what John said in the Gospel, rather than what Jesus could possibly have said.

No God worships God. Anyone that worships God is not God. It is impossible to believe that se.xual intercourse is sinful and God decided to create almost all of us through it, except Adam, Eve and Jesus. Yet Eve, the woman is blamed for all the sins in the Bible; meaning the first sin.

I see that you think Jesus is not sinful because no se.xual intercourse happened, though Mary was over shadowed and came upon in power.

Are you familiar that many children are born now without sex.ual intercourse? are they not sinless if this is your reason for being sinless?


If Jesus was in the womb of the 'woman' but Adam was not in the womb of the woman and not a woman, yet you think he is sinful, how can you not say biblical Jesus is sinful with him going against the rule not to call anyone fool, his cursing of people of his tribe, including insulting his disciples, his downgrading other tribes, his asking God he was forsaken? what about his rudeness to his mother and why should anyone knowing his fate be begging when he knows it already? Whoever God rejects his supplication can not to be assumed sinless or had the attention of God. God was not listening to him, it means.

the Creator does not need power from any to create. Remember when the Bible says God says lets Us create man? no one answered because He was announcing His intention to the angels. Jesus was not there, the reason he did not say a word. The true statement of God is that "I Am going to create man for the earth".


Adam does not look like God and nothing of God is in our father Adam [as] except what created to put in him; the soul which is the spirit of man.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 3:23pm On Aug 05, 2013
You believe that there's no impossibility with God and yet you don't believe God who created man in His image can become a man in order to save man. That's why Jesus is called the Son of man and also the Son of God.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Emusan(m): 10:55pm On Aug 05, 2013
RoyPCain:

@Emusan; Thank God your name is not Emasuen.

what does the above connote?

your response to me lean so much on what John said in the Gospel, rather than what Jesus could possibly have said.

Which one is Jesus' word and John's word?

The same John's word you used to claimed the coming of your master, don't forget.

No God worships God. Anyone that worships God is not God.

Meaning what?

It is impossible to believe that se.xual intercourse is sinful

Get it right is not a sin but every seed it produced is corrupt because of the first Man (Adam)

and God decided to create almost all of us through it,
You're right!

except Adam, Eve and Jesus.

Correct.

Yet Eve, the woman is blamed for all the sins in the Bible; meaning the first sin.

Pure lies, Bible made it clear that by one man(Adam) sin entered into the world because of DISOBEDIENT Rom 5:12-21

All blames was put upon Adam because Adam was able to cordinate his home but he didn't that's why God ask Adam first before Eve and Adam's curse was more than that of Eve.

I see that you think Jesus is not sinful because no se.xual intercourse happened, though Mary was over shadowed and came upon in power.

He didn't sin at all until when He carried you and I sins as a result of Adam's disobedient on the cross, and plenty verses in the Bible supported His sinless life.

Are you familiar that many children are born now without sex.ual intercourse?

You miss it by thinking I against intercourse. Yes ofcourse but man's fluid must involve that's why same sexmarriage can't produce any child.


are they not sinless if this is your reason for being sinless?

Will man's fluid involve or not?


If Jesus was in the womb of the 'woman' but Adam was not in the womb of the woman and not a woman, yet you think he is sinful,

Gen 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He made, and, behold, it was very good......"
According to the Bible every thing God created from begin was perfect including Adam and Eve untill the disobedient of Adam. In the book of Romans 8:22-23 shows us how the whole universe surfer from the sin of Adam until now. Adam and Eve was perfect in their creation but polluted due to their disobedient.

how can you not say biblical Jesus is sinful
Because He(Jesus) was not of this world.

with him going against the rule not to call anyone fool,

Is that not a good rule?

his cursing of people of his tribe, including insulting his disciples, his downgrading other tribes,


Show me the verse in the Bible where all these things were written.


his asking God he was forsaken?

Yes! because he bore the sin of the whole world and God's eyes couldn't behold iniquity.

what about his rudeness to his mother and why should anyone knowing his fate be begging when he knows it already?

Show me the verse. @bold whose fate? Clearify yourself sir.

Whoever God rejects his supplication can not to be assumed sinless or had the attention of God. God was not listening to him, it means.

Wrong conception, Jesus didn't supplicate on the cross(unless the time He prayed for those crucified Hiam--what a lovely person) He only asked why God has to took His face of Him because before a saint die he/she must see God but Jesus on the other hand carry the sin of the world which won't allow God to show Him His face and what happen at the cross shows how God hate sin, to the extent of forsaken His own begotten Son.

the Creator does not need power from any to create.
Who dare to withstand God's power? Omnipotent God.

Remember when the Bible says God says lets Us create man? no one answered because He was announcing His intention to the angels. Jesus was not there, the reason he did not say a word. The true statement of God is that "I Am going to create man for the earth".

I like this your cook up story, the same Bible says "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God"....verse 3 All things were made by Him....verse 14 and the word was made flesh(Jesus) so Jesus is the one who created everything.


Adam does not look like God and nothing of God is in our father Adam [as] except what created to put in him; the soul which is the spirit of man.

How did you know that, did you pause time and travel to beginning? Anyway you're right but the IMAGE simply means In wisdom, knowledge, and understanding but in a finite one so that's why human being are distinct from animals.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 10:58pm On Aug 05, 2013
there is no impossibility does not mean God gets involved in everything. God restricts Himself in many things that ddo not fit His Majesty.


grown folks even restricts themselves from doing things that are not fit for grown folks. it is not expected for seriously normal grown person to behave like a child; wanting mommy to pick him up or feed him or wear diaper, etc.


if a normal grown up restricts himself from doing things that his specie do, but only babies do them because they are depending on mommy, you sure can expect God not to do things that are no befitting God; being human when He will not even be an angel. being a baby when He is not man or son of man before. being weak and incomplete knowledge of affairs, specifically of season for figs or future, or be tempted. and say something that is not exact when does happen like another comforter who cant talk so that man can hear what God commanded him to say.


you see, even prophet must not say things that are false, otherwise dont fear such prophets because they are fakes and God is not their Sender.


you fuelsaver made God and prophet Jesus son of Mary to entities that are 100% correct. this is your situation until you come to islam. investigate it, man and don't die in ignorance.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 1:21pm On Aug 07, 2013
Why did the Quran say "If Muhammad is in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto him, then he questions (ask)those (the christians) who read the scripture before thee..." Quaran 10:94
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 8:56pm On Aug 07, 2013
Sombody explain Sura 9: 29 to me please.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 1:16pm On Aug 08, 2013
9:29
Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 1:32pm On Aug 08, 2013
Obviously this kind of message couldn't have come from the God of the Christians who said to His believers "The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). Why will a god or his messenger tell people to kill people who don't believe until they are forced to believe. Even the Almighty God does not force men to believe in Him. Without controversy Jesus Christ is God because only Him preached and acted like the loving God who is love and full of grace and mercy. Every true God should fight for his believers and not his believer fighting for him as if he has no power to fight. Why should I (a mortal man) be the one to fight for a god/God. People should think soundly and accept the Way, the Truth, and the Life - Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 3:18pm On Aug 08, 2013
@ Lagoshia. I think you are very good at defending Islam and also a very good apologist of a religion that started in the 7th century in Arabia penisulla by some group of people of questionable characters.

But it surprises me to know that Ali Sina has remained unchallenged for his many charges against Islam and Muhammed.
For those that don't know about him. Ali Sina is an apostate and a strong critic of Islam. Many muslims have left Islam through his site www.alisina.org or www.faithfreedom.org.

He had levelled some charges against Islam and want any moslem to refute them and won $50,000.
The site has really informed me a lot on Islam and Muhammed.

Surah 18 : 89 - 96 was telling about a man that errected a barrier made of lead and copper on earth and that barrier will still be seen till the day of reckoning when Allah will make it flat.

QUESTIONS.
1. Who is that man and where and when was he born.
2. Where does he live?
3. Where is the barrier in the world today.

If you can answer those questions, I'll become a muslim. Note that the answers must come from a 'clear' book (Qur'an). Remember Allah told u that Qur'an is a clear book and explain things in detail. He told you not to swear with things like pagans. But Allah swear with Quran (a book) in Surah 43:1 and 44 : 1.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by fuelsaver: 12:08am On Aug 09, 2013
Distraction
Confusion
Irrelevant
Let's focus on the truth - JESUS CHRIST the Son of the Living God and forget about helpless mortals and their unfounded knowledge.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Nobody: 2:57am On Aug 09, 2013
Always Living God can not be the father of a sometime dead child.
Re: What Does Sura 9:123 Says? If You Know Your Quran Well Please Tell Us by Emusan(m): 7:29am On Aug 09, 2013
RoyPCain: Living God can not be the father of a dead child.

Waooo.......is like you didn't know when you type this statement.

was your book says Jesus died or was taken to Heaven alive?

Some confusion is waving here.
No offence sha!

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